Topic: Protocol for new feature implementation and significant changes in NXT core. (Read 15023 times)

Audo Kryptowitz · « **Reply #80 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:48:53 am »

Quote from: MrCluster87 on November 10, 2015, 10:19:34 am

Hi Audo,

I like your proposal. Can we use your post to write an article to be published on Nxter.org focused to developers (current or new) which are going to use Nxt as a platform? In order to explain the current issue.

Thanks

Hi MrCluster,

Of course! I'm sure many outside of this community have by now heard that "NXT is in a crisis", so communication to the outside world is very important. A Nxter article will help for sure.

In my opinion, there should also be a brief written and official summary statement from NXT (press release):
- What caused the crisis
- How it was solved
- What will be / has been done to prevent it from happening again, what we learned

Now that the crisis is (almost) over, we should take full advantage of it.

I'm looking forward to your article!

v39453 · « **Reply #81 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:48:50 pm »

Quote from: Audo Kryptowitz on November 10, 2015, 10:48:53 am

- How it was solved
- What will be / has been done to prevent it from happening again, what we learned

I see it in terms of risk/reward. Changing the API may cause somebody's software to break. Is the reward (new features) worth it?

Here is an old API issue that has not been fully resolved by all users:

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-helpdesk/how-can-i-remove-the-nxt-change-by-bitcoin-in-bittrex/

Bittrex makes it difficult to fund accounts for new users, but public key announcement was an important feature at the time.

abctc · « **Reply #82 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:59:59 pm »

Quote from: v39453 on November 10, 2015, 12:48:50 pm

... public key announcement was an important feature at the time.

- sorry, you do not understand what are you talking about. Public key announcement was a crucial mistake of Nxt core devs.

coinomat · « **Reply #83 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:40:59 pm »

Quote from: lurker10 on November 10, 2015, 09:21:04 am

smart property + coin shuffling = financial privacy.

there, fixed it for ya.

I disagree completely.

coinomat · « **Reply #84 on:** November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm »

Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

chanc3r · « **Reply #85 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:17:03 pm »

Quote from: abctc on November 10, 2015, 12:59:59 pm

Quote from: v39453 on November 10, 2015, 12:48:50 pm
... public key announcement was an important feature at the time.
- sorry, you do not understand what are you talking about. Public key announcement was a crucial mistake of Nxt core devs.

- the mandatory bit of it was the mistake... pubkey announce is crucial to protect cold wallets with a 256bit key because NXT addresses are only 64bit or something like that

Jean-Luc · « **Reply #86 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:31:56 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm

Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

I reserve the right to implement a feature I find useful or necessary without asking for your permission.

Sebastien256 · « **Reply #87 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:34:01 pm »

Quote from: Jean-Luc on November 10, 2015, 08:31:56 pm

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?
I reserve the right to implement a feature I find useful or necessary without asking for your permission.

Ok but for the features you already know before starting a new branch? you will pre-announced them?

@JL you should detailed your response as it could be interpret as a contradiction of what damelon and elvil dave have works to fix the last few days. TY

Brangdon · « **Reply #88 on:** November 10, 2015, 08:58:03 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 08:38:03 am

I can start another thread about this, let's discuss the NXT development process here

Please do. You can post a link to it here.

coinomat · « **Reply #89 on:** November 11, 2015, 09:40:16 am »

Quote from: Jean-Luc on November 10, 2015, 08:31:56 pm

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?
I reserve the right to implement a feature I find useful or necessary without asking for your permission.

For MY permission? Are you serious?
I'm a cog in the NXT machine
what's it got to do with MY permission?

we're talking about the community here, I thought it was obvious
Don't you still get it?

bcdev · « **Reply #90 on:** November 11, 2015, 10:04:39 am »

You're the only vocal person I know to object to coin shuffling. It's not a controversial feature, almost everyone is content.
If in the future there will be some controversial feature [ex. black lists], I'm pretty sure that JL will take the will of the users to the heart. And if he doesn't, we'll just fork the NXT or reduce his stake's value by selling.

So far except for the few mishaps, he's done an awesome job as the NXT developer. I'm happy that he reserves the right to implement a feature he finds useful of necessary without asking for anyone's permission, as his track record is very good.

coinomat · « **Reply #91 on:** November 11, 2015, 10:07:02 am »

Quote from: bcdev on November 11, 2015, 10:04:39 am

You're the only vocal person I know to object to coin shuffling. It's not a controversial feature, almost everyone is content.
If in the future there will be some controversial feature [ex. black lists], I'm pretty sure that JL will take will of the users to the heart. And if he doesn't, we'll just fork the NXT or reduce his stake's value by selling.

So far except for the few mishaps, he's done an awesome job as the NXT developer. I'm happy that he reserves the right to implement a feature he finds useful of necessary without asking for anyone's permission, as his track record is very good.

Let's forget about coin shuffling.
I won't say a word about it in this thread again.
If people want it I want it too.
This thread about a totally different thing.

blackyblack1 · « **Reply #92 on:** November 11, 2015, 10:23:48 am »

Quote from: Jean-Luc on November 10, 2015, 08:31:56 pm

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?
I reserve the right to implement a feature I find useful or necessary without asking for your permission.

You were asked to pre-announce features. What's the problem with it? If it is necessary or interesting feature you have nothing to worry about. If it is a controversial feature (like paying 1 NXT for each 32 bytes of permanent storage) it should be discussed anyway.

bcdev · « **Reply #93 on:** November 11, 2015, 10:26:08 am »

You have a point with both pubkey announcement [horrible execution] and 100 api calls limit.
Both were terribly executed and affected almost everyone.

However, I see a slight change in the approach coming from Lyaffe:

Quote from: Riker on November 08, 2015, 09:56:41 pm

For 1.7.0e we are considering to open the source code for review immediately instead of waiting for a stable release.
Would this help ?

Damelon · « **Reply #94 on:** November 11, 2015, 11:53:45 am »

Quote from: noashh on November 11, 2015, 11:33:12 am

Quote from: Jean-Luc on November 10, 2015, 08:31:56 pm
Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?
I reserve the right to implement a feature I find useful or necessary without asking for your permission.

Unprofessional bitchyness $:-\$

Doing such discussions in TEXT is always tricky.

I think we all know that problem resolution with just text usually is a very precarious process, because we tend to project the 95% of communication we miss onto it, which usually (humans being what they are) are the worst ones.

Read by itself, this message just says: if I think it's to the benefit of NXT, I will add it. It doesn't say there won't be discussion.
It also is probably irritated, but that's an assumption.

Even IF it is, let's not kindle the flame and light the fire all over again.

I see a lot of positive movements going on and I'd like to see it resolved.
We are all still edgy, and the process is fragile. Let's give it a chance and realise either the core devs or James or any of us can still utter words that are born from that edginess.
I think we are making big steps towards reconciliation and a better process right now and personally would love to see them become a reality.

chanc3r · « **Reply #95 on:** November 11, 2015, 12:11:55 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm

Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

coinomat - these changes were announced in 1.6.1e on October 3rd, the release 1.6.2 was on 31st
The section labelled 'Incompatible Changes' in October 3rd post defines the changes.

Does this not constitute pre-announcement. What more did you have in mind, more time?

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10064.msg195549#msg195549

coinomat · « **Reply #96 on:** November 11, 2015, 01:51:53 pm »

Quote from: chanc3r on November 11, 2015, 12:11:55 pm

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

coinomat - these changes were announced in 1.6.1e on October 3rd, the release 1.6.2 was on 31st
The section labelled 'Incompatible Changes' in October 3rd post defines the changes.

Does this not constitute pre-announcement. What more did you have in mind, more time?

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10064.msg195549#msg195549

There were no details in it. The devil is always in the detail. And that API change broke Supernet.

Jose · « **Reply #97 on:** November 11, 2015, 02:31:04 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm

Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

Do you mean... this?:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28marketing-business-and-development%29-the-tennessee-project-fundraiser/msg197291/#msg197291

wesley · « **Reply #98 on:** November 11, 2015, 02:58:45 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on November 11, 2015, 01:51:53 pm

Quote from: chanc3r on November 11, 2015, 12:11:55 pm
Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

coinomat - these changes were announced in 1.6.1e on October 3rd, the release 1.6.2 was on 31st
The section labelled 'Incompatible Changes' in October 3rd post defines the changes.

Does this not constitute pre-announcement. What more did you have in mind, more time?

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10064.msg195549#msg195549
There were no details in it. The devil is always in the detail. And that API change broke Supernet.

No details? Did you not read the incompatible changes section? It's called "incompatible changes" for a reason

abctc · « **Reply #99 on:** November 11, 2015, 03:37:29 pm »

Quote from: coinomat on November 11, 2015, 01:51:53 pm

Quote from: chanc3r on November 11, 2015, 12:11:55 pm
Quote from: coinomat on November 10, 2015, 07:48:01 pm
Drama has subsided, basically things are sort of back to normal.
Jean-Luc and Riker, could you please confirm that all new features will be pre-announced in future?

coinomat - these changes were announced in 1.6.1e on October 3rd, the release 1.6.2 was on 31st
The section labelled 'Incompatible Changes' in October 3rd post defines the changes.

Does this not constitute pre-announcement. What more did you have in mind, more time?

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10064.msg195549#msg195549
There were no details in it. The devil is always in the detail.

- I agree with coinomat.
And all incompatible changes MUST exist in the code since 1.6.0e, not since 1.6.2.

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