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PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« on: September 18, 2014, 04:36:13 am »

Hi Guys,

I persist that we should not take Jeff's FUDs sitting down. Let's capture a bit of BTC marketcap.

It is my understanding that there is a kitty for technical/infrastructure development. I propose the committee offer bounties
for development of merchant plugins and appropriate marketing collateral. This way, more and more
people will get to curious about what NXT offers above and beyond BTC and will be hit with the answer.

The tools I refer to are similar to the merchant plugins offered by BitPay and Coinbase to integrate with popular FOSS shopping cart
software. These plugins should be freely available for anyone to integrate, including NXT community members who want to target various sectors using commercial portals. They should be in a NRS plugins subdirectory.

I also feel very strongly that NXT tech/infrastructure should offer a bounty for a DGS webstore that is delightful for customers and make it part of core release for anyone to tweak for their industry.

Secondly, we need to make NRS web ui mobile responsive and consider bells and whistles that would enable anyone with a public IP
able to host an NXT wallet service for the public.

my humble two cents.
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2014, 04:39:54 am »

I propose a bounty for anyone who can tattoo the word "Bitcointard" onto Fudzilla's forehead.  :-*
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2014, 06:39:49 am »

I propose a bounty for anyone who can tattoo the word "Bitcointard" onto Fudzilla's forehead.  :-*



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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2014, 06:52:13 am »

I propose a bounty for anyone who can tattoo the word "Bitcointard" onto Fudzilla's forehead.  :-*



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LOL
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2014, 06:53:35 am »

why mot everybody start tweeting, retweeting that pic for the lulz.
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2014, 07:23:07 am »

Hi Guys,

I persist that we should not take Jeff's FUDs sitting down. Let's capture a bit of BTC marketcap.

It is my understanding that there is a kitty for technical/infrastructure development. I propose the committee offer bounties
for development of merchant plugins and appropriate marketing collateral. This way, more and more
people will get to curious about what NXT offers above and beyond BTC and will be hit with the answer.

The tools I refer to are similar to the merchant plugins offered by BitPay and Coinbase to integrate with popular FOSS shopping cart
software. These plugins should be freely available for anyone to integrate, including NXT community members who want to target various sectors using commercial portals. They should be in a NRS plugins subdirectory.

I also feel very strongly that NXT tech/infrastructure should offer a bounty for a DGS webstore that is delightful for customers and make it part of core release for anyone to tweak for their industry.

Secondly, we need to make NRS web ui mobile responsive and consider bells and whistles that would enable anyone with a public IP
able to host an NXT wallet service for the public.

my humble two cents.

Funny, almost all of what you say is in the Nxt Organization tech plan ;)
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2014, 07:24:57 am »

why mot everybody start tweeting, retweeting that pic for the lulz.
don't do that, that would make look Nxt worse than him. We should stick to the facts, keep it technical and stay polite and correct.
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2014, 07:49:14 am »

why mot everybody start tweeting, retweeting that pic for the lulz.
don't do that, that would make look Nxt worse than him. We should stick to the facts, keep it technical and stay polite and correct.

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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2014, 06:04:41 pm »

video response for Jeff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r8areoxqag#t (Everyday Crypto #017 - NXT a Scamcoin?)
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2014, 03:13:53 pm »

is better not answer him. btc is collapsing. if nxters start messing with him he prolly start blaming us. let him deal with reallity.
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2014, 03:22:50 pm »

is better not answer him. btc is collapsing. if nxters start messing with him he prolly start blaming us. let him deal with reallity.
+1

This. He has done enough damage to himself. Let the fact that NXT is not a scam and is better than BTC slap him in the face. It wouldn't be a surprise if he decided to join NXT (under a different screenname) :)
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2014, 03:24:07 pm »

don't do that, that would make look Nxt worse than him. We should stick to the facts, keep it technical and stay polite and correct.

+1. “to be an adult partner to everyone involved in this. I don’t want to be an adversary.”
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2014, 04:02:00 pm »

is better not answer him. btc is collapsing. if nxters start messing with him he prolly start blaming us. let him deal with reallity.

Also, it's perfectly allowed to not like something.
As a group, we tend to be very defensive.

It's OK to correct misinformation, but to go on about it just makes it look there really ís a problem.
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2014, 04:23:14 pm »

is better not answer him. btc is collapsing. if nxters start messing with him he prolly start blaming us. let him deal with reallity.

Also, it's perfectly allowed to not like something.
As a group, we tend to be very defensive.

It's OK to correct misinformation, but to go on about it just makes it look there really ís a problem.
You've also got a point there, Damelon.
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2014, 09:36:26 am »

By the looks of it his attacking all platforms

Jeff Garzik recently tweeted that Ethereum is economically broken. His argument is that if an app becomes popular, it raises the value of ether, making every other unrelated app more expensive to run. Do you agree? If not, what's your rebuttal?
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Re: PROPOSAL: NXT Response to Jeff "Fudzilla" Garzik
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2014, 04:23:03 pm »

By the looks of it his attacking all platforms

Jeff Garzik recently tweeted that Ethereum is economically broken. His argument is that if an app becomes popular, it raises the value of ether, making every other unrelated app more expensive to run. Do you agree? If not, what's your rebuttal?

He is wrong because contract execution is priced in gas (which miners can lower), not ether. But here is a response from Vitalik himself:

Quote from: vbuterin
He is completely and utterly incorrect. The economic arguments behind which fee miners have nothing to do with the price of ETH in real value. See: https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/White-Paper#fees
Edit: jgarzik continues:
@jmiehau @mmeijeri @johnrobb @VitalikButerin @ethereumproject Poor response: My argument does not micro-focus on fees, as the response does.
My reply:
Your argument does micro-focus on fees. See: However, Ethereum itself is economically broken. An increase in 'ether' value raises costs for unrelated apps A, B & C." "Costs" and "fees" are synonyms here; there's no proof-of-work requirement to participate in an eth-dapp, so all costs are monetary costs that you pay to other people, ie. fees.
Now, the question is, what kinds of fees are we talking about? For transaction fees, I replied above. For dapp-specific fees, I would say:
Dapps can incorporate arbitrary mechanisms for adjusting their prices over time. You can do a schellingcoin to fix the price in USD, you can use block.difficulty to estimate mining power, etc.
If it's really serious a problem, dapps can price in internal tokens; although even that approach doesn't even solve the real problem as we can see, so some kind of internal market or voting or schelling of futarchy mechanism is going to be necessary.
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