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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7140 on: July 27, 2014, 09:23:03 pm »

Sounds like evolution. :)

Hehe, u r very close. We r preparing an article about Nxt Smart Contracts, in it I'm going to pull out the ace up my sleeve.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7141 on: July 27, 2014, 09:36:26 pm »

https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtcoinsco-nodecoin-svmcoin-and-more-coins/msg21171/#msg21171

I am proposing some changes to NXTcoinsco asset, basically it should be renamed to be the "Tradebots" asset. Some details in the above link, but I will be doing the tradebots language version 0 today, so more clarity after that is out

Basically, NXTcoinsco (think Tradebots) will allow people to make money (BTC, NXT) by building tradebots that are profitable as they profit share with the people that use their bots. If not profits, then no revenues, so this makes sure the tradebot writers are fully motivated to make it profitable.

With tradebots, the InstantDEX volumes are expected to be increased and there was that unallocated operating budget and so now there is a logical place for this budget.

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Will there be a new asset issued or just renaming NXTcoinsco?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7142 on: July 27, 2014, 09:39:39 pm »

https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtcoinsco-nodecoin-svmcoin-and-more-coins/msg21171/#msg21171

I am proposing some changes to NXTcoinsco asset, basically it should be renamed to be the "Tradebots" asset. Some details in the above link, but I will be doing the tradebots language version 0 today, so more clarity after that is out

Basically, NXTcoinsco (think Tradebots) will allow people to make money (BTC, NXT) by building tradebots that are profitable as they profit share with the people that use their bots. If not profits, then no revenues, so this makes sure the tradebot writers are fully motivated to make it profitable.

With tradebots, the InstantDEX volumes are expected to be increased and there was that unallocated operating budget and so now there is a logical place for this budget.

James
Will there be a new asset issued or just renaming NXTcoinsco?
Since we cant rename NXTcoinsco, it is more to get people to know NXTcoinsco is the same as Tradebots
no new asset, in fact one less SVMcoin, so I am actually reducing the amount of things for me to do for a change :)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7144 on: July 27, 2014, 10:56:27 pm »

Sounds like evolution. :)

Hehe, u r very close. We r preparing an article about Nxt Smart Contracts, in it I'm going to pull out the ace up my sleeve.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7145 on: July 27, 2014, 11:15:33 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7146 on: July 27, 2014, 11:25:15 pm »

OT: could some users check the numbers here?

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxtexplorer-update/msg71602/#msg71602
It doesnt seem to be right
NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z
Balance:   6'011'622.2935171 NXT
Unconfirmed Balance:   5'599'955.5935171 NXT
Guaranteed Balance:   6'011'554.2935171 NXT
Effective Balance:   12'976'568 NXT

but you list it as: 6,959,977    [ 10 ]         
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7147 on: July 27, 2014, 11:32:13 pm »

OT: could some users check the numbers here?

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxtexplorer-update/msg71602/#msg71602
It doesnt seem to be right
NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z
Balance:   6'011'622.2935171 NXT
Unconfirmed Balance:   5'599'955.5935171 NXT
Guaranteed Balance:   6'011'554.2935171 NXT
Effective Balance:   12'976'568 NXT

but you list it as: 6,959,977    [ 10 ]

listed here as #6

6.      NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z    12,976,568    23    3.19    406,222,998    1.77    0.89    0.44    0.18    0.09    0.04    0.02    0.01

can you check again please?

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7148 on: July 27, 2014, 11:45:17 pm »

Boom, and another 500k sell wall.
Maybe I just didn't watch enough that I never noticed these before.

The weird thing is - with all those big orders back and forth, we're still the 16th coin per volume. Around a bunch of coins I never even heard of.
Why is that?

Seems there is no interest here in the charts I made. The NXT community doesn't like using standard indicators? No interest in solving correlations, covariances, etc between the different contracts, coins, etc that are traded? Oh well, I will just continue implementing some other ideas I have.  :)

Interesting service. I would definitely use the charts. But I bet you won't have a huge audience yet. Anyways, your thread just didn't have a "call to action" - it just said "doing this, and some asset comes at some point". So there was not much reason to reply.

I don't recall ever having said "doing this, and some asset comes at some point". I made the post to see if there was any interest and if there was interest the asset would be issued. I hoped the "call to action" would have been implied.

I was hoping to get some responses indicating some interest in investing in it and making this happen or I should be doing this that or the other instead. When I received no responses at all, I assumed there was no interest. I thought perhaps such a service would help to attract the interest of others and there would be people here who would want that to happen.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7149 on: July 27, 2014, 11:54:16 pm »

@AEcharts
I just read some of your posting history, and in all the posts I read, you do say that you are wondering if there is interest in these charts, your service, and the eventual asset. I can't explain why there has been so little response.

I will say that I am curious, but I don't know that I would buy assets that you offer. I am sure that some would. I just don't know how to calculate asset value for a revenue stream that relies upon ad revenue, as I think your proposal for the asset does. I am not saying that it has no value. i am sure it does. I am just saying that I have no idea how to calculate what that value might be. Perhaps others here think similarly.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7150 on: July 27, 2014, 11:59:37 pm »

NXT source code not updated for about a month.
https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/commits/all

On bitbucket you'll find the current stable release, including current stable release source code.
The beta and development branches are only accessible by core developers, as an anti-copy-cat measure - at least that's how I understand it.
As soon as Jean-Luc releases 1.2.x stable, the bitbucket source code will be updated to latest stable.

You can follow commits to the development branches at https://twitter.com/nxtcommit .

Thanks,following.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7151 on: July 28, 2014, 12:21:57 am »

OT: could some users check the numbers here?

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxtexplorer-update/msg71602/#msg71602
It doesnt seem to be right
NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z
Balance:   6'011'622.2935171 NXT
Unconfirmed Balance:   5'599'955.5935171 NXT
Guaranteed Balance:   6'011'554.2935171 NXT
Effective Balance:   12'976'568 NXT

but you list it as: 6,959,977    [ 10 ]

listed here as #6

6.      NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z    12,976,568    23    3.19    406,222,998    1.77    0.89    0.44    0.18    0.09    0.04    0.02    0.01

can you check again please?
I must be on wrong page http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=30&switch=8 is what I was looking at, just not understanding what is shown
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7152 on: July 28, 2014, 12:27:25 am »

OT: could some users check the numbers here?

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxtexplorer-update/msg71602/#msg71602
It doesnt seem to be right
NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z
Balance:   6'011'622.2935171 NXT
Unconfirmed Balance:   5'599'955.5935171 NXT
Guaranteed Balance:   6'011'554.2935171 NXT
Effective Balance:   12'976'568 NXT

but you list it as: 6,959,977    [ 10 ]

listed here as #6

6.      NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z    12,976,568    23    3.19    406,222,998    1.77    0.89    0.44    0.18    0.09    0.04    0.02    0.01

can you check again please?
I must be on wrong page http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=30&switch=8 is what I was looking at, just not understanding what is shown

this page shows the distribution of balance leasing.

e.g the first entry has 38M nxt as leased balance, which is viewable within the acount view here: http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=18128435238506025212&switch=600

but the page we are talking about is this one: http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=160
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7153 on: July 28, 2014, 12:29:30 am »

looking great!

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7154 on: July 28, 2014, 12:30:15 am »

I am posting this everywhere :D can somebody help me on DGS Api?

https://nxtforum.org/digital-goods-store/digital-goods-store-api/msg71609/#msg71609

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7155 on: July 28, 2014, 12:48:44 am »

OT: could some users check the numbers here?

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxtexplorer-update/msg71602/#msg71602
It doesnt seem to be right
NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z
Balance:   6'011'622.2935171 NXT
Unconfirmed Balance:   5'599'955.5935171 NXT
Guaranteed Balance:   6'011'554.2935171 NXT
Effective Balance:   12'976'568 NXT

but you list it as: 6,959,977    [ 10 ]

listed here as #6

6.      NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z    12,976,568    23    3.19    406,222,998    1.77    0.89    0.44    0.18    0.09    0.04    0.02    0.01

can you check again please?
I must be on wrong page http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=30&switch=8 is what I was looking at, just not understanding what is shown

this page shows the distribution of balance leasing.

e.g the first entry has 38M nxt as leased balance, which is viewable within the acount view here: http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=18128435238506025212&switch=600

but the page we are talking about is this one: http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=160
I knew I was on wrong page. Looks good
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7156 on: July 28, 2014, 12:51:29 am »

OT: could some users check the numbers here?

https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxtexplorer-update/msg71602/#msg71602
It doesnt seem to be right
NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z
Balance:   6'011'622.2935171 NXT
Unconfirmed Balance:   5'599'955.5935171 NXT
Guaranteed Balance:   6'011'554.2935171 NXT
Effective Balance:   12'976'568 NXT

but you list it as: 6,959,977    [ 10 ]

listed here as #6

6.      NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z    12,976,568    23    3.19    406,222,998    1.77    0.89    0.44    0.18    0.09    0.04    0.02    0.01

can you check again please?
I must be on wrong page http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=30&switch=8 is what I was looking at, just not understanding what is shown

this page shows the distribution of balance leasing.

e.g the first entry has 38M nxt as leased balance, which is viewable within the acount view here: http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=18128435238506025212&switch=600

but the page we are talking about is this one: http://nxtexplorer.com/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=160
I knew I was on wrong page. Looks good

yes, it starts to get crowded on nxtexplorer. thx for checking.

edit: at least we have some rough numbers now what is needed for an 51% attack and ~400M is much more than the 150M which was floating around on reddit.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2014, 12:56:22 am by nexern »
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7157 on: July 28, 2014, 02:33:00 am »

I'm working on Smart Contracts now and an idea has come to my mind:

What if someone created a smart contract that behaves as a trade bot on AE... This bot could operate with funds of other people and charge a small percent of the profit... Other, more efficient, bots would appear and we would get escalation of bot (smart contract) algorithms, they would become more and more sophisticated... Sounds as a Sci-Fi novel, but soon it may become the reality.

Are you saying these bots would augment themselves? Or people would just have to build more efficient bots?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7158 on: July 28, 2014, 02:56:44 am »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7159 on: July 28, 2014, 06:22:59 am »

OK, I am kind of excited about this, both from technical and marketing points.
You know how there is all this hoopla about Turing complete language?
For those who followed the NXTcoinsco "name change" to Tradebots, you will know I have been working on a tradebot language today, but first I thought just something simple, like >, < ==, but then I thought why not make it Turing complete?

I know you are saying that would take a long time to do, but I figured it was worth looking for a nice C interpreter.
...
So, I now have a Turing complete language for people to program their tradebots with!

In the .conf file, I look for dynamically loaded libraries to support custom languages
With the language compiler loaded into the system, you can then send it JSON string that is the program:

{'lang':'ptl','botname':'testbot','inputs':[{'exchange':'bter','base':'NXT','rel':'BTC'}],'signals':[{'name':'buy','size':4},{'name':'sell','size':8}],'picoc':'double main(int argc,char **argv){ double val = 1.234567890123456; val = *(double *)argv[0]; return(val);}'}

program output:
bot returns 13383.935580646748349 event.1 Jul_27_14 06:56:36 PM bot.(testbot) id.0 BTC NXT

The bots are called in dependency order for all price changes and once per minute. It was a bit tricky to make sure the order of calling the bots are done so all the data is ready for each bot, this is determined by order the tradebots are added to the system to create the tradebot topology.

The above is just a small test program in 'JSON' where " -> ' to deal with the stringification of strings through all the layers.
lang: ptl is just for pico tradebot language
botname: testbot is how other bots can get the output signals of this bot
inputs: is an array of external data sources (all the major exchanges and contract pairs) and I will also add some basic signal processing, like smoothing, moving averages, noise filtering, etc.
signals: these are the named outputs of this bot and the size, so the output can be more than just a single number, it could be an entire data structure
picoc: this is the Turing complete part, I was able to integrate in the picoc interpreter and verify that I can pass data in and out of the tradebot code. I even changed it so by default it outputs a double for easier connecting to other things needing floating point inputs. I will be able to give access to the picoc programs the entire dataset that my data gathering is doing. In fact, I can let it access external functions, so it would be possible to make NXT API calls from within the picoc, or bitcoind, or basically anything.

Now the reason I was able to add Turing complete language support into my tradebot language in less than a day is that I care not about synchronizing all nodes. Tradebots design is for each node to run a different set of tradebots to come up with customized trading decisions.

Now that I have the pico tradebot language and the realtime data gathering and the realtime bitmap display and the atomic exchange and a hub and spoke network, InstantDEX is very close to initial release. First I will make a auto NXT -> BTC converter that will allow payment in NXT to all places that accept BTC. With what is in place, well, that is pretty much enough to allow this.

So, NXT has Turing complete language via Tradebots (formerly NXTcoinsco) service!
People who make tradebots can let others use it and then share trading profits, but only if they are profitable. I have accelerated deploying SVM enabled tradebots as all this is coming together very nicely. With SVM creation ability, I expect people will be able to make nicely profitable tradebots.

James
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