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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7120 on: July 27, 2014, 05:28:31 pm »

what are you guys hinting at?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7121 on: July 27, 2014, 05:35:30 pm »

what are you guys hinting at?
That jl777 needs a rest. Hasn't he got enough to do, than to speak the word of God, as well.  ;D
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7122 on: July 27, 2014, 05:50:02 pm »

I'm working on Smart Contracts now and an idea has come to my mind:

What if someone created a smart contract that behaves as a trade bot on AE... This bot could operate with funds of other people and charge a small percent of the profit... Other, more efficient, bots would appear and we would get escalation of bot (smart contract) algorithms, they would become more and more sophisticated... Sounds as a Sci-Fi novel, but soon it may become the reality.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7123 on: July 27, 2014, 05:58:06 pm »

I'm working on Smart Contracts now and an idea has come to my mind:

What if someone created a smart contract that behaves as a trade bot on AE... This bot could operate with funds of other people and charge a small percent of the profit... Other, more efficient, bots would appear and we would get escalation of bot (smart contract) algorithms, they would become more and more sophisticated... Sounds as a Sci-Fi novel, but soon it may become the reality.
will smart contracts support floating point vector dot product?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7124 on: July 27, 2014, 06:07:59 pm »

will smart contracts support floating point vector dot product?

No, u have to use integers for that.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7125 on: July 27, 2014, 06:56:03 pm »

will smart contracts support floating point vector dot product?

No, u have to use integers for that.
Then very little danger of actual profitable tradebots, very hard to make even with floating point
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7126 on: July 27, 2014, 07:00:27 pm »

Seems there is no interest here in the charts I made. The NXT community doesn't like using standard indicators? No interest in solving correlations, covariances, etc between the different contracts, coins, etc that are traded? Oh well, I will just continue implementing some other ideas I have.  :)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7127 on: July 27, 2014, 07:07:45 pm »

Then very little danger of actual profitable tradebots, very hard to make even with floating point

Almost any floating point calculation can be done with integers. Don't see a problem...
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7128 on: July 27, 2014, 07:08:52 pm »

Seems there is no interest here in the charts I made. The NXT community doesn't like using standard indicators? No interest in solving correlations, covariances, etc between the different contracts, coins, etc that are traded? Oh well, I will just continue implementing some other ideas I have.  :)

interested!

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7129 on: July 27, 2014, 07:16:22 pm »

Then very little danger of actual profitable tradebots, very hard to make even with floating point

Almost any floating point calculation can be done with integers. Don't see a problem...
Seems a lot of work to solve all the dynamic ranging floating point gets you in integer math. Is it dangerous to have floating point support in the smart contracts?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7130 on: July 27, 2014, 07:29:51 pm »

Seems a lot of work to solve all the dynamic ranging floating point gets you in integer math. Is it dangerous to have floating point support in the smart contracts?

Yes, FP math can't provide the same result across all the platforms.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7131 on: July 27, 2014, 07:56:58 pm »

Seems there is no interest here in the charts I made. The NXT community doesn't like using standard indicators? No interest in solving correlations, covariances, etc between the different contracts, coins, etc that are traded? Oh well, I will just continue implementing some other ideas I have.  :)

interested!

Great, as I have explained elswhere on these forums what I am offering could be made available over an HTTP API. The values of a number of different technical indicators current and past results. Also the results of some other time series analysis could also be made available in this way. I would just need to come to an aggreement of some kind between those who are in charge.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7132 on: July 27, 2014, 08:14:32 pm »

Boom, and another 500k sell wall.
Maybe I just didn't watch enough that I never noticed these before.

The weird thing is - with all those big orders back and forth, we're still the 16th coin per volume. Around a bunch of coins I never even heard of.
Why is that?

Seems there is no interest here in the charts I made. The NXT community doesn't like using standard indicators? No interest in solving correlations, covariances, etc between the different contracts, coins, etc that are traded? Oh well, I will just continue implementing some other ideas I have.  :)

Interesting service. I would definitely use the charts. But I bet you won't have a huge audience yet. Anyways, your thread just didn't have a "call to action" - it just said "doing this, and some asset comes at some point". So there was not much reason to reply.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7133 on: July 27, 2014, 08:16:39 pm »

https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtcoinsco-nodecoin-svmcoin-and-more-coins/msg21171/#msg21171

I am proposing some changes to NXTcoinsco asset, basically it should be renamed to be the "Tradebots" asset. Some details in the above link, but I will be doing the tradebots language version 0 today, so more clarity after that is out

Basically, NXTcoinsco (think Tradebots) will allow people to make money (BTC, NXT) by building tradebots that are profitable as they profit share with the people that use their bots. If not profits, then no revenues, so this makes sure the tradebot writers are fully motivated to make it profitable.

With tradebots, the InstantDEX volumes are expected to be increased and there was that unallocated operating budget and so now there is a logical place for this budget.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7134 on: July 27, 2014, 08:33:27 pm »

https://nxtforum.org/nxtventures/nxtcoinsco-nodecoin-svmcoin-and-more-coins/msg21171/#msg21171

I am proposing some changes to NXTcoinsco asset, basically it should be renamed to be the "Tradebots" asset. Some details in the above link, but I will be doing the tradebots language version 0 today, so more clarity after that is out

Basically, NXTcoinsco (think Tradebots) will allow people to make money (BTC, NXT) by building tradebots that are profitable as they profit share with the people that use their bots. If not profits, then no revenues, so this makes sure the tradebot writers are fully motivated to make it profitable.

With tradebots, the InstantDEX volumes are expected to be increased and there was that unallocated operating budget and so now there is a logical place for this budget.

James

ah, this is a bit more clear (coinsco). i was having a hard time wrapping my head around it today
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7135 on: July 27, 2014, 09:03:36 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7136 on: July 27, 2014, 09:04:23 pm »

Seems a lot of work to solve all the dynamic ranging floating point gets you in integer math. Is it dangerous to have floating point support in the smart contracts?

Yes, FP math can't provide the same result across all the platforms.

Just for the sake of simplicity we should allow Decimals.
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« Reply #7137 on: July 27, 2014, 09:10:07 pm »

Just for the sake of simplicity we should allow Decimals.

Good idea, will add them as the 4th data type.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7138 on: July 27, 2014, 09:12:12 pm »

Wow this is amazing. You can have an algorithmic trading implemented as a smart contract!
This is incredible. Probably you need to run some part of the code not on the blockchain, though (similar to what the Ripple guys propose)
It's just hard to imagine a really sophisticated bot (say with neural nets) to be fully realized as a smart contract

I'm working on Smart Contracts now and an idea has come to my mind:

What if someone created a smart contract that behaves as a trade bot on AE... This bot could operate with funds of other people and charge a small percent of the profit... Other, more efficient, bots would appear and we would get escalation of bot (smart contract) algorithms, they would become more and more sophisticated... Sounds as a Sci-Fi novel, but soon it may become the reality.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #7139 on: July 27, 2014, 09:12:33 pm »

I'm working on Smart Contracts now and an idea has come to my mind:

What if someone created a smart contract that behaves as a trade bot on AE... This bot could operate with funds of other people and charge a small percent of the profit... Other, more efficient, bots would appear and we would get escalation of bot (smart contract) algorithms, they would become more and more sophisticated... Sounds as a Sci-Fi novel, but soon it may become the reality.

Sounds like evolution. :)
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