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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25500 on: November 09, 2015, 12:59:08 pm »

It's 2kool2skewl's trademark, he is here to entertain/annoy/make us think.

He is our (un)happy troll. Much better now  ;)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25501 on: November 09, 2015, 01:33:03 pm »

It's 2kool2skewl's trademark, he is here to entertain/annoy/make us think.

He is our happy troll.
Same here !!  ;D ;D

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25502 on: November 09, 2015, 01:37:42 pm »

I asked several times this option from NXT Community but seems that big players don't like it!
- sorry, what YOU did for Nxt community?


Let us not begin to create a caste system in Nxt.

Just being here and reading this thread is doing more for Nxt than 99.99999% of the world is doing right now  ;)

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I'm a user, having several assets issued, paying dividends and giving my feedback free of charge here!

And you can simply ignore it if you don't like them!
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25503 on: November 09, 2015, 01:44:06 pm »

Guys,

I understood that in bitshare it is possible to trade Asset to Assets.

This is very interesting and I may transfer some of my assets to bitshare.

Any feedback appreciated.

I asked several times this option from NXT Community but seems that big players don't like it!

https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,19806

Hi sepehr,

I too think that this feature would be very usefull.

For NxtForex, we would like to be able to change directly NXTEUR into NXTCHF, or NXTEUR into NXTUSD (and vice-versa).

This means we could use directly the rates of the market (NXT rate would just disappear, this would make NXTEUR totally independant from the wild NXT gyrations that occurs currently !  For the moment, one NXT would still be used to pay for the transaction fee.

Of course, the perfect way would be to pay the transaction fee also using also a small portion of the asset that is being sold (but this is another story, ONE STEP AT A TIME).

A big +

And you can see there exist guys that agree with me! So keep calm and hear my voice!  ;D

« Last Edit: November 09, 2015, 01:47:28 pm by sepehr »
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25504 on: November 09, 2015, 02:10:30 pm »

James is being too emotional and showing his immaturity.  He is costing NXT and SuperNet investors money because he is upset.  All of his investors are NXT investors also.  How is intentionally trying to suppress the price in anyone's best interest?

James is obviously too immature to handle this situation and the amount of money under his control.  I will never purchase an asset that is associated with James and if I hear anyone else thinking about purchasing any of his assets, I will strongly warn them against it.  James is only hurting himself with these hissy fits.  NXT will survive; James won't.

This is an absolute travesty coming from 2Kool4Skewl! James is exhausted from two years of constant effort, and he doesn't deserve to be called immature by the likes of you. What gives you the right to call anyone in crypto forums immature?  You've made yourself a humor troll, stick with the memes bro!

People are tired and stressed and that effects their decision making, but it's not fair to call anyone immature.

No matter what side you're on we should all show respect to Jean-Luc and jl777.

James is blackmailing NXT, dumping just to stamp his feet, and for what?  He could have fixed the problem. 

The truth is that James has been taking money from people for well over 1.5 years and delivered $#!+ all.  He makes asset after asset and promises people that if they buy, they will be rich, that his projects will have big returns.  In reality he acts like a little kid when it comes to an API code, blackmails people and dumps the price of NXT.  Does JL take lots of money from people making big promises to them?  No, he just codes solid code that actually works.  The differences between JL and James are night and day.  One deserves respect, and the other not.

I remember when James dumped a lot of nem stakes(claiming procedure) from his portfolio without consideration of any loses, no surprise at my end.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25505 on: November 09, 2015, 02:12:32 pm »

After some begging it finally happened! Thank you, Roger Ver!

Presenting the new Nxt subforum on "the other bitcoin forum":

https://forum.bitcoin.com/nxt-f91/

Let's fill it up with some content, so the bitcoin guys want to try Nxt!  ;D
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25506 on: November 09, 2015, 03:22:17 pm »

Maybe we should just play out this game of mutually assured destruction that he's started and anybody who holds his assets should dump them.  A lot more NXTers hold his "assets" than he holds NXT.  Let's push the button and see who survives.  Hint: It won't be James or Supernet.

Who would buy this dump? Also, aren't you screwing over the people you "dump" too? Fighting childish behavior with childish behavior isn't the answer.

This API stupidity and infighting is why I haven't bought NXT in quite a long time.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25507 on: November 09, 2015, 03:27:38 pm »

After some begging it finally happened! Thank you, Roger Ver!

Presenting the new Nxt subforum on "the other bitcoin forum":

https://forum.bitcoin.com/nxt-f91/

Let's fill it up with some content, so the bitcoin guys want to try Nxt!  ;D

Good one! I just registered myself there. Nice forum btw, I like the styling better than this old shit.  :-X  ;)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25508 on: November 09, 2015, 03:28:58 pm »

I thought my BTT nxttechnologytree.com thread had been deleted  :o

Just seems, after over a year of posting in altcoin "General discussion", it has recently been buried in the "Marketplace (Altcoins)" > "Service Announcement (Altcoins)" sub-sub-forum...  :D here

Strange how most other alts are permitted to post development updates in the general discussion section, huh..  ::) It went from 16618 views to 17218 since Oct 26 (600 views in 2 weeks), which I was pleased with.

Is it worth trying to get it moved back?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25509 on: November 09, 2015, 03:31:27 pm »

I thought my BTT nxttechnologytree.com thread had been deleted  :o

Just seems, after over a year of posting in altcoin "General discussion", it has recently been buried in the "Marketplace (Altcoins)" > "Service Announcement (Altcoins)" sub-sub-forum...  :D here

Strange how most other alts are permitted to post development updates in the general discussion section, huh..  ::) It went from 16618 views to 17218 since Oct 26 (600 views in 2 weeks), which I was pleased with.

Is it worth trying to get it moved back?

Of course it is :)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25510 on: November 09, 2015, 03:40:26 pm »

I thought my BTT nxttechnologytree.com thread had been deleted  :o

Just seems, after over a year of posting in altcoin "General discussion", it has recently been buried in the "Marketplace (Altcoins)" > "Service Announcement (Altcoins)" sub-sub-forum...  :D here

Strange how most other alts are permitted to post development updates in the general discussion section, huh..  ::) It went from 16618 views to 17218 since Oct 26 (600 views in 2 weeks), which I was pleased with.

Is it worth trying to get it moved back?

Of course it is :)

I have changed the topic title to include the word 'discussion' lol, which is what it was always intended to be (a technical news/discussion thread about the core). But I guess he can argue it was just me posting updates as there was very little discussion in there!

So, before I PM mprep, can 6-7 of you go over and have a discussion or two??  ;D I suggest the topic of 'Transparent Forging' (but not 'when is it being implemented?' as you should know it already has been)  ;D Or any subject you like.


Link >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=831202.0
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25511 on: November 09, 2015, 03:42:33 pm »

James is being too emotional and showing his immaturity.  He is costing NXT and SuperNet investors money because he is upset.  All of his investors are NXT investors also.  How is intentionally trying to suppress the price in anyone's best interest?

James is obviously too immature to handle this situation and the amount of money under his control.  I will never purchase an asset that is associated with James and if I hear anyone else thinking about purchasing any of his assets, I will strongly warn them against it.  James is only hurting himself with these hissy fits.  NXT will survive; James won't.

This is an absolute travesty coming from 2Kool4Skewl! James is exhausted from two years of constant effort, and he doesn't deserve to be called immature by the likes of you. What gives you the right to call anyone in crypto forums immature?  You've made yourself a humor troll, stick with the memes bro!

People are tired and stressed and that effects their decision making, but it's not fair to call anyone immature.

No matter what side you're on we should all show respect to Jean-Luc and jl777.

James is blackmailing NXT, dumping just to stamp his feet, and for what?  He could have fixed the problem.

Apparently you don't understand what he is complaining about. Yes, his response to the issue is childish... but his point is not wrong. This isn't the first time this happened, and the first time it happened the core devs said it wouldn't happen again.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25512 on: November 09, 2015, 04:03:10 pm »

It's 2kool2skewl's trademark, he is here to entertain/annoy/make us think.
Wesley is still around
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25513 on: November 09, 2015, 04:05:30 pm »

Some self-promotion to interrupt the never-ending discussion:

https://nxtforum.org/nxtinfo-org/spreadsheet-historic-dividends/msg199908/#msg199908
Added TVE and SecFund. We now have almost 200 dividend payouts recorded in our database. There are even more in the spreadsheet.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25514 on: November 09, 2015, 04:16:14 pm »

Some self-promotion to interrupt the never-ending discussion:

https://nxtforum.org/nxtinfo-org/spreadsheet-historic-dividends/msg199908/#msg199908
Added TVE and SecFund. We now have almost 200 dividend payouts recorded in our database. There are even more in the spreadsheet.

Check NXTinfo.org for more!  :)

Enough of the shameless self promotion!
Oh look, EIX is quite near the top.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25515 on: November 09, 2015, 04:18:33 pm »

Some self-promotion to interrupt the never-ending discussion:

https://nxtforum.org/nxtinfo-org/spreadsheet-historic-dividends/msg199908/#msg199908
Added TVE and SecFund. We now have almost 200 dividend payouts recorded in our database. There are even more in the spreadsheet.

Check NXTinfo.org for more!  :)

Enough of the shameless self promotion!
Oh look, EIX is quite near the top.

I saw what you did there   ::)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25516 on: November 09, 2015, 04:19:25 pm »

James is being too emotional and showing his immaturity.  He is costing NXT and SuperNet investors money because he is upset.  All of his investors are NXT investors also.  How is intentionally trying to suppress the price in anyone's best interest?

James is obviously too immature to handle this situation and the amount of money under his control.  I will never purchase an asset that is associated with James and if I hear anyone else thinking about purchasing any of his assets, I will strongly warn them against it.  James is only hurting himself with these hissy fits.  NXT will survive; James won't.

This is an absolute travesty coming from 2Kool4Skewl! James is exhausted from two years of constant effort, and he doesn't deserve to be called immature by the likes of you. What gives you the right to call anyone in crypto forums immature?  You've made yourself a humor troll, stick with the memes bro!

People are tired and stressed and that effects their decision making, but it's not fair to call anyone immature.

No matter what side you're on we should all show respect to Jean-Luc and jl777.

James is blackmailing NXT, dumping just to stamp his feet, and for what?  He could have fixed the problem.

Apparently you don't understand what he is complaining about. Yes, his response to the issue is childish... but his point is not wrong. This isn't the first time this happened, and the first time it happened the core devs said it wouldn't happen again.

The situation is a BIT more complex.

The last time this happened, ChuckOne was given the post of Project Manager, to make sure this didn't happen again.
That post has been vacant and Riker just stepped up to the post, before all this happened.

What we now have is a situation where were deadlocked.

What I see is a situation where most of the talk is about a move to the past, almost a prayer of "please, let's go back to the good old days".

I am not kidding: it does sound like that. And with reason, because we have two years of harmonious work together that is about to blow up in a way that's saddening.

From my position as mediator of what is now on the table, I am being approached by people who are asking us to "make the devs to a rollback". I'd like to have my say in this, too.

We cannot "make" anyone. That is not the role of a mediator, nor would I want to. It's against everything we have said as Foundation and TNNSE. Devs should be free to dev and we can only advise.

Yesterday there were some movements towards solving things towards the future. I was very glad to see it. Today, there is a movement towards the old positions again, likely because of resentment, panic and anger. None of these really help, although they are understandable.

My point it that in the end, we are in a situation that we can deal with by accepting it's not perfect with a commitment towards betterment, or we can go to our trenches and try to force the other party to surrender.

I predict that the latter action on both sides of the fence will result in many, many more losses than the former. We're rational beings and can decide to work for constructing something good.
I firmly believe that the stress is getting to us all and we want to hurt something, just to feel better. I also believe that is a path we should not take.

I am not asking for care bears. I am hoping that we can see we're in the bear trap and that chewing our foot off in not the smartest option.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25517 on: November 09, 2015, 04:43:26 pm »

Some self-promotion to interrupt the never-ending discussion:

https://nxtforum.org/nxtinfo-org/spreadsheet-historic-dividends/msg199908/#msg199908
Added TVE and SecFund. We now have almost 200 dividend payouts recorded in our database. There are even more in the spreadsheet.

Check NXTinfo.org for more!  :)

Enough of the shameless self promotion!
Oh look, EIX is quite near the top.

I saw what you did there   ::)

Yeah you guys are pathetic. Oh hey, LQD shares still available!
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25518 on: November 09, 2015, 05:10:06 pm »

Hi there.

Newbie to this forum.  Embedded and telecoms sw engineer, over 9 years experience C/C++, plus various other bits.  Also been a software tester.

I would like to comment on the following.

James is blackmailing NXT, dumping just to stamp his feet, and for what?  He could have fixed the problem. 

Assumption: Fixed the problem = fixing the code.

Fixing the code isn't the main issue (unless the codebase is especially messy).

- Testing the fixed code takes time (and if there are any unintended consequences to the fix then you go around the fix and test cycle again).
- Then you have to deploy the fixed code and again check for any issues (although having a testnet should minimise this).
- In amongst this you have to be supporting your customer base, whose deployments have been broken, this is quite a drag on getting any of the above done (answering angry emails, reassuring them that a fix is on the way, etc).
- Once full tested then you issue the fixed code to customers, with instructions on how to upgrade.
- For those customer who are less technically advanced, you then have to handhold them through deploying the fixed code.  It might even come down to remotely deploying it on their behalf.
- During this time you may become aware of issues with the customers system (incorrect configuration), you may also have to analyse and fix that as well in order to deploy the new code <-- worst case but possible.
- Also if you have customers with their own code added on then fixing this will also take a lot of time.

Interestingly, the more successful the product, the more live deployments you have, the bigger the headache.

All the time you are doing this means that you are not doing what you had planned to be doing (i.e. developing your own code, meeting the set deadlines).  Also it normally means you are fixing an issue created by a partner/thirdparty at you own expense.

Several times in my career I've worked on projects where you partner with other companies, using their API, and then they change it, and it breaks your code and therefore your customers code.

It tends to make developers cranky, because it's such a pain.  It can also cause you to rethink if you still want to partner with this company (especially if this becomes a habit), or maybe partner with someone else (also a pain because that will probably mean major changes to the codebase, or maybe there is no alternative to partner with so you just have to accept it and work out procedures to mange this when it occurs again).

So I can see why the api change will have upset developers that rely on the API.

Apologies - I don't mean to criticize anyone with the above.  I just wanted to point out that, yes, if we just had to fix the code then it wouldn't be a problem, but it is far more complicated than that when you are supporting a live customer userbase already.

Cheers

Dave


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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #25519 on: November 09, 2015, 05:22:03 pm »

I understood that in bitshare it is possible to trade Asset to Assets.

I asked several times this option from NXT Community but seems that big players don't like it!
I don't see that as easy to implement at all, unless I am missing some obvious way. It would require a complete rewrite of the way orders are matched, and the database schema to store orders and trades, as currently all prices are expressed in NXT. I am not convinced the need for such feature justifies the efforts it will take to implement, we don't have the development resources to work on that.
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