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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28000 on: September 25, 2016, 05:58:05 pm »

Anybody knows what is wrong the pending transactions from 5PEER and 67BUG accounts?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28001 on: September 25, 2016, 05:58:17 pm »

Lol, I was banned from a slack for posting this! Must be something dangerous...  ;)

https://twitter.com/cryptkeeperbtt/status/778958677021687808

From which slack?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28002 on: September 26, 2016, 02:39:05 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28003 on: September 26, 2016, 07:21:34 pm »

I like how price is sticking around 2500. After the US presidential debate tomorrow significant movements in all markets can be expected, a puff of that stormy wave could reach crypto and create large ripples given how small crypto markets are. Be prepared and hold your horses :)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28004 on: September 27, 2016, 08:52:55 am »

Just wanted to share this little Nxter.org success with all the community: http://www.techbullion.com/10-blockchain-technology-magazines/

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28005 on: September 27, 2016, 01:58:55 pm »

How much will Ardor asset be worth come mid October?
I'm going to guess at least $0.05 and maybe as much as $0.25
The problem is how long one should wait. The actual coin, late next year, could be worth dollars, not cents.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28006 on: September 27, 2016, 02:49:03 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28007 on: September 28, 2016, 12:09:19 am »

http://www.techbullion.com/10-blockchain-technology-magazines/ ----->  http://nxter.org/es/cervezas-apuestas-y-la-blockchain-de-nxt/

They have seen (and like) lurker article :)

I take this opportunity to thank @lurker10 for his cooperation and encouraged him (and everybody) to continue providing his skills.

Thank you and I'm waiting for your Next article

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28008 on: September 28, 2016, 07:46:47 am »

Is it correct the only way to buy Ardor is through Nxt?

So to hold Nxt value as the way into Ardor or it will be publicly tradeable in many alts through the exchanges?

As i assume Poloniex will issue a token ARD on its exchange to make good on its promise to issue Ardor to Nxt holders there.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28009 on: September 28, 2016, 09:16:12 am »

How much will Ardor asset be worth come mid October?
I'm going to guess at least $0.05 and maybe as much as $0.25
The problem is how long one should wait. The actual coin, late next year, could be worth dollars, not cents.

Really ? Even with $0.05 would Ardor 3x higher than current NXT marketcap. And with $0.25 it means $250.000.000 marketcap. It would be great - of course! - but I think the reality will be in other levels. If we'll start at $0.01 per ARDOR (means $10mio marketcap), it can be success - in the intentions, how few amount of people knows anything about NXT, ARDOR, PoS ... (the same is valid for most altcoins, I guess).

I remember the beginning of NXT (2013/14), when there were lot of predictions "In the end of the year [2014] NXT will be $10, if not $100". Huhm. But yeah, if we attract the masses, then NXT (or ARDOR) could easily have a massive growth. But really non-easy is ("one billion") question : "How to do it?". I think lot of smart, talented and involved people here finding answer to this question from the beginning. But find the answer is definitively harder, than we're all assumed in 2014.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28010 on: September 28, 2016, 11:44:11 am »

@rubenaco, you're welcome :)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28011 on: September 29, 2016, 12:33:54 am »

How much will Ardor asset be worth come mid October?
I'm going to guess at least $0.05 and maybe as much as $0.25
The problem is how long one should wait. The actual coin, late next year, could be worth dollars, not cents.

Really ? Even with $0.05 would Ardor 3x higher than current NXT marketcap. And with $0.25 it means $250.000.000 marketcap. It would be great - of course! - but I think the reality will be in other levels. If we'll start at $0.01 per ARDOR (means $10mio marketcap), it can be success - in the intentions, how few amount of people knows anything about NXT, ARDOR, PoS ... (the same is valid for most altcoins, I guess).

I remember the beginning of NXT (2013/14), when there were lot of predictions "In the end of the year [2014] NXT will be $10, if not $100". Huhm. But yeah, if we attract the masses, then NXT (or ARDOR) could easily have a massive growth. But really non-easy is ("one billion") question : "How to do it?". I think lot of smart, talented and involved people here finding answer to this question from the beginning. But find the answer is definitively harder, than we're all assumed in 2014.

you go ask ppl who made it
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28012 on: September 29, 2016, 12:50:22 am »

How low will it go? I am guessing 1500-2000.

2200's now and a slow decrease for over a month now. Over 1000 sat price drop in 2 weeks looks like 1500 might be a bit high. It might and probably will go lower.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28013 on: September 29, 2016, 10:48:53 am »

everybody going for sub 1000 so I'll go for 27k
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28014 on: September 29, 2016, 11:02:47 am »

It would be nice to hold the NXT price and not give the idea Ardor is our "now". Ardor is a year away and Nxt chain will; i assume, be a chain of Ardor?

To have a high Ardor price and low Nxt price = a high Nxt price and lower Ardor price, based in Nxt.

Price tends to swing and if it does not have a give and take movement, as we have seen in the last month (steady down), then i too think the sale is already factored in so a surprise up to 3000 may be due.

It depends how the devs define Nxt over the next week. Dead and history? or due for some new updates or features?

https://www.reddit.com/user/BCNext

has anyone annoyed him enough yet to come into the forum and have a chat?

Maybe his NXT project could fit nicely into the Ardor platform - how knows whats next?

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28015 on: September 29, 2016, 06:44:43 pm »


Ardor is a year away and Nxt chain will; i assume, be a chain of Ardor?

No, NXT will stay as it is, not connected to Ardor.
The first child chain on Ardor is Ignis, which will be distributed to NXT holders using the snapshot method.
That's the current plan anyway.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28016 on: September 29, 2016, 10:13:12 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28017 on: September 30, 2016, 07:28:18 am »

I usually try to not go overboard when people complain about the price and just make a simple explanation, but I decided to try to put math into it after hearing too many people complain about the price going down with the snapshotting. I can understand people complaining about the big drops, but people complaining about a 20% decrease in price over an extended period is kinda getting annoying.

I'm not saying that people on this thread are saying it, in fact, I like the discussions going on here and lurk around from time-to-time, but I thought I'd share what I typed up on Slack a few minutes ago to use for whatever you want. I'm not 100% sure regarding my math on this as I'm a tad sleep deprived, so feel free to correct me:

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(username removed), the price of NXT is falling because it's supposed to, in a way. Keep in mind that the price of NXT accounts for ARDR but the amount of ARDR per NXT is very low now. Think of it this way:

On July 14, the price was around 4500. Therefore, it can be argued that 1 NXT is actually 1 NXT + 1 ARDR. What percentage of the price is NXT and what percentage of that is ARDR, I can't accurately tell. One could argue that the price of NXT is from before the announcement of Ardor, but one could also argue that the price of NXT has gone up due to new attention to the platform. But, one thing is certain, the price of NXT includes the price of ARDR. However, the amount of ARDR per NXT decreases as the snapshot goes on.

Anyway, a few days ago on September 26, about 80% of the way into snapshotting, the price was around 2500. This is around 45% less than the price on July 14 (I'm not accounting for the change in BTC<->Fiat to keep this simple). However, 1 NXT at this time is no longer 1 NXT + 1 ARDR but rather 1 NXT + 0.2 ARDR.

It's amazing that the price has gone up a few times, though understandably, but expecting it to stay the same throughout the snapshot is expecting that ~0.2 ARDR now is the same price as 1 ARDR at the start of the snapshot. While the idea that the price of ARDR going up to 500% of its price on the 14th is fantastic, I don't think that happened.

[9:06] 
So, when things are going sideways, they're actually going up because the amount of ARDR is lower than it was previously. When the price of NXT is going up, the price is going up at a greater percentage than most people think.

[9:07] 
I will agree though that ~6% going down is a bit more than I would've expected.

[9:09] 
However, it's important to note that, despite the value of 1 NXT being 1 NXT + ~0.14 ARDR, the price is still about double the price before the impact of Ardor on the price of NXT.

[9:19] 
I think the current price shows that NXT is worth more than it was before. The price of NXT before any Ardor announcement was around 1000. With ~0.14 ARDR the price is 2100 (CMC). So, it could be that the price of NXT went up, 0.14 ARDR is worth 1100 (which means 1 ARDR is ~7850), or some combination of both, but I speculate that part of the price is an increase in the price of NXT without ARDR.
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P.S The top conversation on /r/Nxt right now is regarding the price, if anyone wants to chip in on that conversation.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28018 on: September 30, 2016, 07:40:21 am »

I usually try to not go overboard when people complain about the price and just make a simple explanation, but I decided to try to put math into it after hearing too many people complain about the price going down with the snapshotting. I can understand people complaining about the big drops, but people complaining about a 20% decrease in price over an extended period is kinda getting annoying.

I'm not saying that people on this thread are saying it, in fact, I like the discussions going on here and lurk around from time-to-time, but I thought I'd share what I typed up on Slack a few minutes ago to use for whatever you want. I'm not 100% sure regarding my math on this as I'm a tad sleep deprived, so feel free to correct me:

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(username removed), the price of NXT is falling because it's supposed to, in a way. Keep in mind that the price of NXT accounts for ARDR but the amount of ARDR per NXT is very low now. Think of it this way:

On July 14, the price was around 4500. Therefore, it can be argued that 1 NXT is actually 1 NXT + 1 ARDR. What percentage of the price is NXT and what percentage of that is ARDR, I can't accurately tell. One could argue that the price of NXT is from before the announcement of Ardor, but one could also argue that the price of NXT has gone up due to new attention to the platform. But, one thing is certain, the price of NXT includes the price of ARDR. However, the amount of ARDR per NXT decreases as the snapshot goes on.

Anyway, a few days ago on September 26, about 80% of the way into snapshotting, the price was around 2500. This is around 45% less than the price on July 14 (I'm not accounting for the change in BTC<->Fiat to keep this simple). However, 1 NXT at this time is no longer 1 NXT + 1 ARDR but rather 1 NXT + 0.2 ARDR.

It's amazing that the price has gone up a few times, though understandably, but expecting it to stay the same throughout the snapshot is expecting that ~0.2 ARDR now is the same price as 1 ARDR at the start of the snapshot. While the idea that the price of ARDR going up to 500% of its price on the 14th is fantastic, I don't think that happened.

[9:06] 
So, when things are going sideways, they're actually going up because the amount of ARDR is lower than it was previously. When the price of NXT is going up, the price is going up at a greater percentage than most people think.

[9:07] 
I will agree though that ~6% going down is a bit more than I would've expected.

[9:09] 
However, it's important to note that, despite the value of 1 NXT being 1 NXT + ~0.14 ARDR, the price is still about double the price before the impact of Ardor on the price of NXT.

[9:19] 
I think the current price shows that NXT is worth more than it was before. The price of NXT before any Ardor announcement was around 1000. With ~0.14 ARDR the price is 2100 (CMC). So, it could be that the price of NXT went up, 0.14 ARDR is worth 1100 (which means 1 ARDR is ~7850), or some combination of both, but I speculate that part of the price is an increase in the price of NXT without ARDR.
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P.S The top conversation on /r/Nxt right now is regarding the price, if anyone wants to chip in on that conversation.

Let me argue that there are so few players that they use these obvious signals just to manipulate the market with just a few thousand dollars and Ardor actually has no real impact on anything. Because it is not ready and also because similar price spikes happened to everything recently.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #28019 on: September 30, 2016, 07:47:35 am »

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First, the caterpillar digests itself, releasing enzymes to dissolve all of its tissues.

Highly organized groups of cells known as imaginal discs survive the digestive process (core features of Nxt 1.0).

Once a caterpillar has disintegrated all of its tissues except for the imaginal discs, those discs use the protein-rich soup all around them to fuel the rapid cell division required to form the wings, antennae, legs, eyes, genitals and all the other features of an adult butterfly or moth.
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