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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26000 on: December 23, 2015, 03:34:24 am »

This is the last comment I got after mentioning NXT:

"You want respect for NXT? Here's what you need to do. Make a 30 minute, super detailed and easy to understand video about NXTs PoS system so that even a layman could understand it, because right now NO ONE can understand it. And that's the problem. Open source means nothing if no one can understand the code"

I don't have the knowledge to explain NXT but many do. Is there a video explaining NXT and POS? Just something for guys like this, someone who is interested but doesn't understand so they just keep bagging it because they are frustrated that no one can explain it. And comparisons/advantages with BTC, not dissing BTC but just objective discussions about advantages.

We must debunk and disprove all these monkeys on NXT's back in a professional manner. Ignorance about - Nothing at stake, distribution, staking, security,token supply etc.

If no one can point me to a video or explanation that a layman/general investor/user can understand then I'll be in touch with Evil Dave and work on getting something done.

To "debunk and disprove all these monkeys on NXT's back in a professional manner" we wrote
http://nxter.org/the-regulatory-process-if-youre-not-at-the-table-youre-on-the-menu/ which of course is a drip in the ocean of FUD.

Riker and Kushti did a good job on LTB: https://soundcloud.com/mindtomatter/ltb-e180-we-can-build-that

A video would certainly be the most effective addition, imho.



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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26001 on: December 23, 2015, 04:47:56 am »

Do you have a contact there? I hear they have 70m NXT in a hot wallet, and we really don't want a repeat of BTER. Seems like they need a little guidance.

I know how to contact them.They don't have 70m NXT in a hot wallet,today their total NXT is close to 53m,but keep raising.

According to their public reserves page http://www.btc38.com/trade/reserves.html ,they use cold store,including NXT.They have many NXT account,NXT-S4U4-CQYX-WD4K-76REZ is the biggest.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26002 on: December 23, 2015, 05:57:45 am »



Somebody asks: I heard that the distribution is bad, is that true?
Answer: We don't know anymore, because we have Coin shuffling.
hehe,just ignored the fact ,maybe it's useful. ;)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26003 on: December 23, 2015, 06:05:58 am »

"You want respect for NXT? Here's what you need to do. Make a 30 minute, super detailed and easy to understand video about NXTs PoS system so that even a layman could understand it, because right now NO ONE can understand it. And that's the problem. Open source means nothing if no one can understand the code"
Agree.+1
A simple video is a good solution.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26004 on: December 23, 2015, 09:19:13 am »


"You want respect for NXT? Here's what you need to do. Make a 30 minute, super detailed and easy to understand video..
A video that's both super detailed AND easy to understand? Nice challenge...

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..about NXTs PoS system so that even a layman could understand it, because right now NO ONE can understand it."
Depends on who that 'layman' is. I find it hard to imagine a layman wanting 'super detailed' understanding of PoS versus PoW. Why would a layman care? A layman is either in it for trading or hodling (both to gather more wealth) or in it for the features of the platform/wallet. A layman doesn't need to understand PoS to have 'respect' (what's that btw?) for NXT. I think the PoS-argument is mostly brought up by crypto-miners that need an excuse to disregard NXT.

The only things a layman should know (imo):
- PoS is secure, according to some very smart people, and according to the fact that in NXT it's been secure for a couple of years now.
- PoS is energy efficient and decentralised, runs on RaspberryPi's, in contrast to those energy wasting highly centralised Chinese servers farms, which nobody in their right mind could believe to be the future of a decentralised crypto network.
- PoS is not a good way to 'get rich quick', like early mining was. The reward for staking/forging in NXT is mostly symbolic. You don't need to invest money in hardware or mining contracts. No money flows to Chinese ASIC factories.
- In PoS (NXT) there's no inflation, no new coins are created out of the blue.
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« Reply #26005 on: December 23, 2015, 11:33:35 am »

Once there was a nice explanation of the Nxt PoS in the wiki, it should still be there. It's enough to have a layman understand how it works in principal.

It was something like this:
Imagine each Nxt token to be a lottery ticket. As soon as your Nxt server is online, you enter the lottery room. You are in this room with every other network participant who has a server running. You can only win the lottery (forge a block) if you have at least one lottery ticket (NXT) and remain in the room (stay online) during the lottery draw. So, the more tickets you have, the bigger is your chance to win. As soon as you leave the room (shut down the server) you are not able to participate in the lottery.

That's when I understood Nxt's PoS, at least a little

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No. Think of your chance of generating a block a little bit like entering a prize draw. When a block is being created and your account is unlocked, it is like you have one prize draw ticket in your hand for every NXT coin you own. Everybody else who has NXT coins also has prize draw tickets for all of their coins. Someone is going to win the prize draw, so your chance of winning depends entirely on how many tickets you have, versus the total number of tickets entered in the draw. Now, imagine that to win the prize, you also have to be in the room when the winning ticket is drawn. If your account is "locked" or your server is not running, it is as if you are not in the room – you cannot win the prize. Once a block is generated (meaning someone has won the raffle), a NEW prize draw is started, with all-new tickets, based on who is in the room when the new prize draw begins. So: you have zero chance of generating a block when your account is locked or your server is not running. And since the generation of each new block is NOT dependent on the result of previous block, you do not get any credit for the time that your account has been locked.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26006 on: December 23, 2015, 11:56:18 am »

The thing about PoS that I like is that it aligns the interests of those securing the network and those using the currency. If you hold NXT, you have an interest in keeping the network secure. That is a very valid benefit over PoW.

Some of the PoW guys have this ridiculous 'separation of powers' argument that makes no sense at all. Miners have no incentive to use the currency, and in fact many dump immediately.

Do you have a contact there? I hear they have 70m NXT in a hot wallet, and we really don't want a repeat of BTER. Seems like they need a little guidance.

I know how to contact them.They don't have 70m NXT in a hot wallet,today their total NXT is close to 53m,but keep raising.

According to their public reserves page http://www.btc38.com/trade/reserves.html ,they use cold store,including NXT.They have many NXT account,NXT-S4U4-CQYX-WD4K-76REZ is the biggest.

Ok, that's very good to know, thank you.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26007 on: December 23, 2015, 01:41:19 pm »

We should drop objective facts about NXT initial and actual distribution here and there in our marketing campaign. The prejudices are still floating around in the minds of people. They will not accept NXT as decentralized until they get educated about that.
In my view the actual distribution is still bad. A single account forges 14% of blocks. The top 5 have 40%. The top 10 have over 50%. The top 20 have over 70%. We have no idea how many of those are sock puppets.

Arguing that Bitcoin mining pools are worse doesn't really help. The only way to break forgers power is to acquire NXT, which mostly means buying from them, which requires their permission. In Bitcoin, anyone  can set up a mining centre and challenge the big guys. It requires money, but it does not require permission from the whales. Those initial investors own NXT and will own it forever.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26008 on: December 23, 2015, 02:03:35 pm »

We should drop objective facts about NXT initial and actual distribution here and there in our marketing campaign. The prejudices are still floating around in the minds of people. They will not accept NXT as decentralized until they get educated about that.
In my view the actual distribution is still bad. A single account forges 14% of blocks. The top 5 have 40%. The top 10 have over 50%. The top 20 have over 70%. We have no idea how many of those are sock puppets.

Arguing that Bitcoin mining pools are worse doesn't really help. The only way to break forgers power is to acquire NXT, which mostly means buying from them, which requires their permission. In Bitcoin, anyone  can set up a mining centre and challenge the big guys. It requires money, but it does not require permission from the whales. Those initial investors own NXT and will own it forever.

One nxt whale losing his private key or get hit by a car would be also strange... however you cant really lose a bitcoin mining farm forever. Using nxt is fine you just dont want to hodl it as an investment.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26009 on: December 23, 2015, 03:28:39 pm »

The only way to break forgers power is to acquire NXT, which mostly means buying from them, which requires their permission. In Bitcoin, anyone  can set up a mining centre and challenge the big guys. It requires money, but it does not require permission from the whales. Those initial investors own NXT and will own it forever.

Except for all those initial investors who sold out already.  Think of all the "core Nxters" who haven't been seen in ages.  Many of them sold their stake (at a very opportune time) and moved on.  The remaining whales who didn't sell showed a GREATER incentive to support Nxt than for short-term financial profit.  It would have been much smarter for them to dump their entire stake and re-buy today.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26010 on: December 23, 2015, 03:32:54 pm »

The only way to break forgers power is to acquire NXT, which mostly means buying from them, which requires their permission. In Bitcoin, anyone  can set up a mining centre and challenge the big guys. It requires money, but it does not require permission from the whales. Those initial investors own NXT and will own it forever.

Except for all those initial investors who sold out already.  Think of all the "core Nxters" who haven't been seen in ages.  Many of them sold their stake (at a very opportune time) and moved on.  The remaining whales who didn't sell showed a GREATER incentive to support Nxt than for short-term financial profit.  It would have been much smarter for them to dump their entire stake and re-buy today.

Nice to see some old-timers didn't bail :)
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« Reply #26011 on: December 23, 2015, 05:50:46 pm »

We should drop objective facts about NXT initial and actual distribution here and there in our marketing campaign. The prejudices are still floating around in the minds of people. They will not accept NXT as decentralized until they get educated about that.
In my view the actual distribution is still bad. A single account forges 14% of blocks. The top 5 have 40%. The top 10 have over 50%. The top 20 have over 70%. We have no idea how many of those are sock puppets.

Arguing that Bitcoin mining pools are worse doesn't really help. The only way to break forgers power is to acquire NXT, which mostly means buying from them, which requires their permission. In Bitcoin, anyone  can set up a mining centre and challenge the big guys. It requires money, but it does not require permission from the whales. Those initial investors own NXT and will own it forever.

Not all, but a fair amount of the large forgers are pools, exchanges, or assets.  Similar to BTC pools, these accounts are representative of hundreds or thousands of different users.  For example, LQD's account, NXT-M2Y7-FKFH-CAQC-DEF7N (8.2M NXT, 2.18% forge), has several hundred investors and Bittrex, NXT-97H4-KRWL-A53G-7GVRG (8M, 1.84% forge) is holding thousands of users NXT.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26012 on: December 23, 2015, 07:16:28 pm »

we all know some of the big accounts are exchanges or funds but new potential NXT buyers dont know this and they have to trust others and their wrong statements. this gives me an idea of a small fun project. lets make a list of all known NXT wallets of exchanges and funds and make a nice distribution chart out of it.
anybody here who wants to help me with this?
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« Reply #26013 on: December 23, 2015, 08:38:38 pm »

we all know some of the big accounts are exchanges or funds but new potential NXT buyers dont know this and they have to trust others and their wrong statements. this gives me an idea of a small fun project. lets make a list of all known NXT wallets of exchanges and funds and make a nice distribution chart out of it.
anybody here who wants to help me with this?

Sure. Aside from Liberty's two above, Polo currently has 14m in their cold wallet: NXT-NEQW-Q7UK-MUNN-B2L4P
BTC38 is a big one, apparently 50m or so. Not sure of the address but nxtchina or qq... could probably help there.
Not sure how much SuperNET has, but could be 40m. And already you're well over 10% of the way there.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #26014 on: December 23, 2015, 09:15:10 pm »

Infographic about bitcoin and why it will become even more popular in 2016:

http://www.businessinsider.de/why-bitcoin-will-be-even-more-popular-in-2016-2015-12?r=US&IR=T

Nxt is mentioned as "cryptocurrency startup to watch"!  8)
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« Reply #26015 on: December 23, 2015, 10:32:05 pm »

Infographic about bitcoin and why it will become even more popular in 2016:

http://www.businessinsider.de/why-bitcoin-will-be-even-more-popular-in-2016-2015-12?r=US&IR=T

Nxt is mentioned as "cryptocurrency startup to watch"!  8)
Thanks for sharing, very cool!

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« Reply #26016 on: December 23, 2015, 11:23:59 pm »

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« Reply #26017 on: December 24, 2015, 12:02:40 am »

We should drop objective facts about NXT initial and actual distribution here and there in our marketing campaign. The prejudices are still floating around in the minds of people. They will not accept NXT as decentralized until they get educated about that.
In my view the actual distribution is still bad. A single account forges 14% of blocks. The top 5 have 40%. The top 10 have over 50%. The top 20 have over 70%. We have no idea how many of those are sock puppets.

Arguing that Bitcoin mining pools are worse doesn't really help. The only way to break forgers power is to acquire NXT, which mostly means buying from them, which requires their permission. In Bitcoin, anyone  can set up a mining centre and challenge the big guys. It requires money, but it does not require permission from the whales. Those initial investors own NXT and will own it forever.

In the end the cool thing about NXT is that distribution or unknowable distribution via coinshuffling doesn't even matter, because:

"An equally important feature of Transparent Forging is an outstanding security feature of the protocol to temporarily reduce to zero the forging power of accounts who should generate the next block but don't. This transparent forging feature will prevent against even a 90% majority owner of all NXT branching out and forcing a fork. So if an account has 90% of all Nxt and doesn't generate a block when scheduled, the system will reduce its mining power to zero temporarily to prevent a bad fork from being forced."

Or in CfB words:

"Imagine someone is going to do a "51%" attack against Nxt and he owns 90% of all coins. The adversary must stop generating blocks for legit branch coz he won't be able to compete against 100% mining power with his 90%. So he decides to "skip" his turn to generate a block. The rest 10% of the network detects this and penalizes the adversary by setting his mining power to 0 and distributing it among other miners. Now the network is back to 100% power coz everyone got 10-fold increase. The adversary can mine other branch in a secret place but it won't be able to replace the legit branch. Of course, the 2nd branch will have 100% "hashing" power tied to it as well, coz the attacker will get his 90% bumped to 100% but this can be counteracted by some mechanisms of advanced consensus (still not revealed).

As a 100% PoS currency Nxt is protected against a government wealthy entity that could buy/produce a lot of ASICs, with the transparent mining it's protected even against someone buying most of the coins.

So, what does make Nxt a really next-gen currency? Not those nice features like decentralized exchange, or decentralized DNS, or decentralized app store. The transparent mining algo does, and this is only the 1st part of BCNext's plan..."

This addresses the points of D'Angelo accordingly.
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« Reply #26018 on: December 24, 2015, 01:44:32 am »

we all know some of the big accounts are exchanges or funds but new potential NXT buyers dont know this and they have to trust others and their wrong statements. this gives me an idea of a small fun project. lets make a list of all known NXT wallets of exchanges and funds and make a nice distribution chart out of it.
anybody here who wants to help me with this?

Sure. Aside from Liberty's two above, Polo currently has 14m in their cold wallet: NXT-NEQW-Q7UK-MUNN-B2L4P
BTC38 is a big one, apparently 50m or so. Not sure of the address but nxtchina or qq... could probably help there.
Not sure how much SuperNET has, but could be 40m. And already you're well over 10% of the way there.
BTC38 should only have one account.
NXT-S4U4-CQYX-WD4K-76REZ

If BTC38 was hacked like bter,or Delist NXT,is absolutely  a disaster, may kill nxt price.
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« Reply #26019 on: December 24, 2015, 07:21:22 am »

we all know some of the big accounts are exchanges or funds but new potential NXT buyers dont know this and they have to trust others and their wrong statements. this gives me an idea of a small fun project. lets make a list of all known NXT wallets of exchanges and funds and make a nice distribution chart out of it.
anybody here who wants to help me with this?

Sure. Aside from Liberty's two above, Polo currently has 14m in their cold wallet: NXT-NEQW-Q7UK-MUNN-B2L4P
BTC38 is a big one, apparently 50m or so. Not sure of the address but nxtchina or qq... could probably help there.
Not sure how much SuperNET has, but could be 40m. And already you're well over 10% of the way there.
BTC38 should only have one account.
NXT-S4U4-CQYX-WD4K-76REZ

If BTC38 was hacked like bter,or Delist NXT,is absolutely  a disaster, may kill nxt price.

Someone should contact them and tell them about best practice for securing a nxt account.
IMHO all exchanges should switch to phased transactions as soon as the final NRS 1.7 is released!
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