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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24880 on: October 03, 2015, 10:17:46 am »

I don't have any opinion about the global warming, I didn't do any research on this topic.
But I have one objection:

Why do I have to pay for CO2 *emissions? CO2 emissions should be paid to **ME!


* through escalated prices
** at least I won't fund wars from this money
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24881 on: October 03, 2015, 10:58:36 am »

People are not aware of the other side of this debate, because it's not talked about.

I will argue that this is also a misstatement, because it's talked about A LOT

https://www.google.nl/search?q=politics+global+warming+debate&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=VbQPVpuQGoasU73fjOgD

In fact, it's one of the most hotly discussed topics on the internet, which arguably is the largest single gathering of human beings since the dawn of time.  :D
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24882 on: October 03, 2015, 11:08:49 am »

Thank you. You restore my fate in this forum.

I realize more and more that crypto is a long way from going mainstream, mainly bc the majority of people involved in the space (the users, not usually the devs) are still a bunch of paranoid idiots. Eventually these people will retreat to their bunkers and maybe joe-schomo will be ready to consider how crypto might help his everyday life.

Until then, we have to hear all the conspiracy theorists on everything even remotely connected to government.

Truth is, crypto-paranoid-morons DONT care about math or science, they just fell into Btc and crypto bc it has a tinge of the narritive that they enjoy considering while they entrench themselves in their bunkers awaiting some collapse - actual issues that matter, like global warming, can be sidestepped for "more obvious threats" like the illuminati and aliens.


I don't believe 'scientists', they're given far too much credibility.

Yeah, silly scientists going around with their gimmicky gravity and flat-earth-theories. All just a bunch of attention-seekers if you ask me, with their data and models and experiments! What have scientists ever done for us? At least the Romans gave us the aquaduct.
Better to just ignore them and go with your gut feeling. I mean, has your gut ever betrayed you? More power to the gut!
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24883 on: October 03, 2015, 12:05:12 pm »

People are not aware of the other side of this debate, because it's not talked about.

I will argue that this is also a misstatement, because it's talked about A LOT

Ok, it might have generalized it a bit too much. Although I was mainly refering to the media.

I just hate to see a scientists be marginalized and called "climate deniers" because of their findings. The problem I have, is that questioning climate change has become a politically incorrect thing. And I feel political correctness leads to self-censorship and to the supression of discussion in general.

I used to be a believer to the climate change. I didn't know much about it, but I was just sure it's real. Whenever someone argued that it's not, I got really angry. :-X
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24885 on: October 03, 2015, 01:23:42 pm »

Great, tweeted about it!
me too!!  ;D ;D
Yes Cryptkeeper you are Welcome in Slack marketing Twitter  ;)

Done.
I'm registered in slack, but didn't know about this channel.
Thank you and bezbezbez  :)
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24886 on: October 03, 2015, 02:42:19 pm »

People are not aware of the other side of this debate, because it's not talked about.

I will argue that this is also a misstatement, because it's talked about A LOT

Ok, it might have generalized it a bit too much. Although I was mainly refering to the media.

I just hate to see a scientists be marginalized and called "climate deniers" because of their findings. The problem I have, is that questioning climate change has become a politically incorrect thing. And I feel political correctness leads to self-censorship and to the supression of discussion in general.

I used to be a believer to the climate change. I didn't know much about it, but I was just sure it's real. Whenever someone argued that it's not, I got really angry. :-X
Curious about the solar system's movement through the galaxy.

Are there volumes of space with different levels of dust that the solar system moves through?

If so, does this dust change the output of the sun or the amount of radiation that the earth receives?

Additionally what is the magnitude of CO2 emitted by nature vs man? If to count things like volcanoes, geysers, etc
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24887 on: October 03, 2015, 03:28:15 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24888 on: October 03, 2015, 04:22:10 pm »

PANGEA alpha release:

if anybody is brave enough, latest push github.com/jl777/btcd is somewhat working at API level

./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"start","resubmit":"no","base":"NXT","addrs":["hostNXT", "otherNXT"],"bids":[{"offerNXT":"hostNXT","wallet":{"isbot":1,"bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10,"balance":"10000000000"}}, {"offerNXT":"otherNXT","wallet":{"isbot":0,"bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10,"balance":"10000000000"}}],"offerNXT":"hostNXT","bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10}'

the above starts a game between hostNXT and otherNXT, each starts with a balance of 100, host rake of 1%, bigblind 1, ante of 0.1, and the host is a bot. By changing the "base" you can change what denomination the chips are, of course it is all just imaginary for now. InstantDEX supports a special exchange called "pangea" which will act as the lobby, for now manually constructing the "start" API must be done.

you can have up to 9 players by increasing the addrs and bids arrays
it is VERY picky and might need to restart nodes if anything goes wrong
working on making it more robust today

when it is your turn you submit one of the following actions:
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"allin"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"check"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"call"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"raise"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"bet"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"fold"}'

It implements a coinshuffle inspired algo to shuffle the cards in a fully decentralized way. So no player knows the cards that any other player has, yet all players can verify the validity of cards that are revealed later and can also immediately see their hole cards. I use curve25519 field algebra combined with high entropy card seeds, but it isnt QC resistant so dont play for money against anybody with a working QC.

I decided that speed was more important than QC resistance for now. An encrypted deck is ~16kb. For more than 2 players, MofN recovery is possible for a player bailout, but i dont have that fully activated yet.

I spent a few weeks coding up pangea so now there is a real world use case for peggy fiat denominations. After peggy integration, I will integrate in jumblr so people can get some privacy for such things.

Pangea's rake is set at 0.5%, 80% of that to pangea asset holders, 20% to privatebet assetholders

the increased peggy usage will help subsidized the interest rates paid to depositors, if enough usage then it would be max 7.77% for all the longer term locks. And all this volume will have a percentage (via rounding errors) going to crypto777 asset holders. Jumblr shuffle fees of 0.1% (along with 60% of privatebet dividends) will go to NXTprivacy assetholders.

The sooner we can get all this tested and GUIfied, the sooner these dividends will start flowing.

James
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24889 on: October 03, 2015, 04:35:07 pm »

PANGEA alpha release:

if anybody is brave enough, latest push github.com/jl777/btcd is somewhat working at API level

./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"start","resubmit":"no","base":"NXT","addrs":["hostNXT", "otherNXT"],"bids":[{"offerNXT":"hostNXT","wallet":{"isbot":1,"bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10,"balance":"10000000000"}}, {"offerNXT":"otherNXT","wallet":{"isbot":0,"bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10,"balance":"10000000000"}}],"offerNXT":"hostNXT","bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10}'

the above starts a game between hostNXT and otherNXT, each starts with a balance of 100, host rake of 1%, bigblind 1, ante of 0.1, and the host is a bot. By changing the "base" you can change what denomination the chips are, of course it is all just imaginary for now. InstantDEX supports a special exchange called "pangea" which will act as the lobby, for now manually constructing the "start" API must be done.

you can have up to 9 players by increasing the addrs and bids arrays
it is VERY picky and might need to restart nodes if anything goes wrong
working on making it more robust today

when it is your turn you submit one of the following actions:
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"allin"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"check"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"call"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"raise"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"bet"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"fold"}'

It implements a coinshuffle inspired algo to shuffle the cards in a fully decentralized way. So no player knows the cards that any other player has, yet all players can verify the validity of cards that are revealed later and can also immediately see their hole cards. I use curve25519 field algebra combined with high entropy card seeds, but it isnt QC resistant so dont play for money against anybody with a working QC.

I decided that speed was more important than QC resistance for now. An encrypted deck is ~16kb. For more than 2 players, MofN recovery is possible for a player bailout, but i dont have that fully activated yet.

I spent a few weeks coding up pangea so now there is a real world use case for peggy fiat denominations. After peggy integration, I will integrate in jumblr so people can get some privacy for such things.

Pangea's rake is set at 0.5%, 80% of that to pangea asset holders, 20% to privatebet assetholders

the increased peggy usage will help subsidized the interest rates paid to depositors, if enough usage then it would be max 7.77% for all the longer term locks. And all this volume will have a percentage (via rounding errors) going to crypto777 asset holders. Jumblr shuffle fees of 0.1% (along with 60% of privatebet dividends) will go to NXTprivacy assetholders.

The sooner we can get all this tested and GUIfied, the sooner these dividends will start flowing.

James

Very cool. Is btcd in on any of these pangea revenue streams?
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24890 on: October 03, 2015, 04:48:07 pm »

PANGEA alpha release:

if anybody is brave enough, latest push github.com/jl777/btcd is somewhat working at API level

./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"start","resubmit":"no","base":"NXT","addrs":["hostNXT", "otherNXT"],"bids":[{"offerNXT":"hostNXT","wallet":{"isbot":1,"bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10,"balance":"10000000000"}}, {"offerNXT":"otherNXT","wallet":{"isbot":0,"bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10,"balance":"10000000000"}}],"offerNXT":"hostNXT","bigblind":"100000000","ante":"10000000","rakemillis":10}'

the above starts a game between hostNXT and otherNXT, each starts with a balance of 100, host rake of 1%, bigblind 1, ante of 0.1, and the host is a bot. By changing the "base" you can change what denomination the chips are, of course it is all just imaginary for now. InstantDEX supports a special exchange called "pangea" which will act as the lobby, for now manually constructing the "start" API must be done.

you can have up to 9 players by increasing the addrs and bids arrays
it is VERY picky and might need to restart nodes if anything goes wrong
working on making it more robust today

when it is your turn you submit one of the following actions:
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"allin"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"check"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"call"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"raise"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"bet"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"plugin":"pangea","method":"turn","action":"fold"}'

It implements a coinshuffle inspired algo to shuffle the cards in a fully decentralized way. So no player knows the cards that any other player has, yet all players can verify the validity of cards that are revealed later and can also immediately see their hole cards. I use curve25519 field algebra combined with high entropy card seeds, but it isnt QC resistant so dont play for money against anybody with a working QC.

I decided that speed was more important than QC resistance for now. An encrypted deck is ~16kb. For more than 2 players, MofN recovery is possible for a player bailout, but i dont have that fully activated yet.

I spent a few weeks coding up pangea so now there is a real world use case for peggy fiat denominations. After peggy integration, I will integrate in jumblr so people can get some privacy for such things.

Pangea's rake is set at 0.5%, 80% of that to pangea asset holders, 20% to privatebet assetholders

the increased peggy usage will help subsidized the interest rates paid to depositors, if enough usage then it would be max 7.77% for all the longer term locks. And all this volume will have a percentage (via rounding errors) going to crypto777 asset holders. Jumblr shuffle fees of 0.1% (along with 60% of privatebet dividends) will go to NXTprivacy assetholders.

The sooner we can get all this tested and GUIfied, the sooner these dividends will start flowing.

James

Very cool. Is btcd in on any of these pangea revenue streams?
not directly, but indirectly the usage of peggy will benefit BTCD, also crypto777 will payout 5%, along with NXTprivacy 5% to BTCD stakers, not to mention SuperNET itself

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24891 on: October 03, 2015, 06:31:52 pm »

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Re: Price speculation - 97% of scientists agree?
« Reply #24892 on: October 03, 2015, 06:32:34 pm »

There is a very simple question regarding this 97% consensus ratio: What is the source of this number?

If it is not sourced, it is nothing more than hearsay. Hearsay is not how science works. Hearsay is how superstition works.

Consequently, everybody who tries to use alleged scientific evidence without being able to cite the source disqualifies themselves as touting superstitious hokus pokus.

Superstition makes a travesty of science. Sort of like the Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition did.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24893 on: October 03, 2015, 07:47:46 pm »

2 minutes google -> wikipedia -> source

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024/meta;jsessionid=D5ED62FD654793F3FE6305417FB9BBC6.c1

its actually a statistic about scientist _publishing_ on the matter. so that number can be questioned, still qualifies as proof for a consensus pro human made global warming imo.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24894 on: October 03, 2015, 07:59:40 pm »

Russian NXTER.ORG. http://nxter.org/ru/



Thanks to DoTheNXT, Mr. Beer, Xartifex. Please test it, report bugs. I still see a few English words in there :)

"How to get started" + NxtVault is being translated right now. I've pushed some SN articles to the translation team too.

The "local" NXTER.ORG sites are handed over to the local communities.

I want to encourage these communities to make NXTER.ORG their own.

Promote your site.
Share the massive amount of existing content in your own language via social media.

Do whatever you think will promote Nxt / SuperNET best through NXTER.ORG in your country.

Make advertisement deals for your site only.
You can host ads on your frontpage, inside posts or in the sidebars.
If businesses want to advertise on ALL nxter.org sites, coordinate it with the core team.

Yes, we will make coordinated global promotions.
Prepare by setting up a network of local social media influencers, bloggers, programmers, and main stream media contacts.

Cointelegraph requires a minimum of $7000 to consider you for a franchise, NXTER.ORG takes a different path and gives a site to you.

NXTER.ORG already has a large userbase and it keeps growing.

If you (or any 3rd party developer) wants NXTER.ORG to be a gateway to your Nxt / SN project, let's make it so.

We can make win-win partnership deals, through asset swaps or revsharing. Coordinate it with the core team.
Some rev must of course be paid to nxter.org for hosting, promoting and channeling our visitors to your service. This will benefit you + any NXTP hodler - you! ;)

You are all rewarded with NXTP assets for contributing, so what you do to promote Nxt or SN through NXTER.ORG will affect the value of the NXTP’s you are awarded.

French is next. 

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24895 on: October 03, 2015, 08:05:35 pm »

2 minutes google -> wikipedia -> source

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024/meta;jsessionid=D5ED62FD654793F3FE6305417FB9BBC6.c1

its actually a statistic about scientist _publishing_ on the matter. so that number can be questioned, still qualifies as proof for a consensus pro human made global warming imo.

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The 97 percent claim is a deliberate misrepresentation designed to intimidate the public—and numerous scientists whose papers were classified by Cook protested:

“Cook survey included 10 of my 122 eligible papers. 5/10 were rated incorrectly. 4/5 were rated as endorse rather than neutral.”

—Dr. Richard Tol

“That is not an accurate representation of my paper . . .”

—Dr. Craig Idso

“Nope . . . it is not an accurate representation.”

—Dr. Nir Shaviv

“Cook et al. (2013) is based on a strawman argument . . .”

—Dr. Nicola Scafetta

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24896 on: October 03, 2015, 08:13:36 pm »

if four qoutes convince you i got bad news for you :)

i'm gonna stay away from this now.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24897 on: October 03, 2015, 08:14:05 pm »

Russian NXTER.ORG. http://nxter.org/ru/

Thanks to DoTheNXT, Mr. Beer, Xartifex. Please test it, report bugs. I still see a few English words in there :)

"How to get started" + NxtVault is being translated right now. I've pushed some SN articles to the translation team too.

The "local" NXTER.ORG sites are handed over to the local communities.

I want to encourage these communities to make NXTER.ORG their own.

Promote your site.
Share the massive amount of existing content in your own language via social media.

Do whatever you think will promote Nxt / SuperNET best through NXTER.ORG in your country.

Make advertisement deals for your site only.
You can host ads on your frontpage, inside posts or in the sidebars.
If businesses want to advertise on ALL nxter.org sites, coordinate it with the core team.

Yes, we will make coordinated global promotions.
Prepare by setting up a network of local social media influencers, bloggers, programmers, and main stream media contacts.

Cointelegraph requires a minimum of $7000 to consider you for a franchise, NXTER.ORG takes a different path and gives a site to you.

NXTER.ORG already has a large userbase and it keeps growing.

If you (or any 3rd party developer) wants NXTER.ORG to be a gateway to your Nxt / SN project, let's make it so.

We can make win-win partnership deals, through asset swaps or revsharing. Coordinate it with the core team.
Some rev must of course be paid to nxter.org for hosting, promoting and channeling our visitors to your service. This will benefit you + any NXTP hodler - you! ;)

You are all rewarded with NXTP assets for contributing, so what you do to promote Nxt or SN through NXTER.ORG will affect the value of the NXTP’s you are awarded.

French is next.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24898 on: October 03, 2015, 10:40:12 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #24899 on: October 04, 2015, 11:21:35 am »

Hello!

I am glad to introduce the first physical embassy of NXT crypto in Kyiv, Ukraine. I've decide to found it,
cause I've meet a lot of people, who are interested in this project.

It's name is NXTFLOW, and now we have a beautiful office in Kyiv, near a humanmade island, and the first version
of website.

Here you can see my first annonce video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0bbRiR06s

And here is the website: http://nxtflow.com

My community on FB: https://www.facebook.com/cryptonomiconua?pnref=story

It is not easy to create an embassy from your own estate, so it will take me a few days, or even week,
after I will upload a new video and give you a new information.

It is not easy to make the walls ready, buy some computers and polyacryl, so any donations will be greatly appreciated.

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