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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13780 on: November 05, 2014, 09:12:10 pm »

First time I read in this thread. Checking the first few pages many guys predict a 1$ for NXT. So where we are now? Almost 2 cents! So what is your prediction for the next few months? 0,1$ achieveable?

Sadly I think it depends on the price of Bitcoin.  If BTC goes back to $1k mark, I can definitely see Nxt at $.1  We are still at an early adapter stage for Nxt and thus tied to BTC.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13781 on: November 05, 2014, 09:13:53 pm »

First time I read in this thread. Checking the first few pages many guys predict a 1$ for NXT. So where we are now? Almost 2 cents! So what is your prediction for the next few months? 0,1$ achieveable?

Back in May I saw many articles predicting 1 BTC = $10,000 USD by the end of this year too. So, yea, predictions are pretty much worth the paper their printed on.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13782 on: November 05, 2014, 09:28:42 pm »

Recap:

Asset ID:10294386916428132892

The USDbitfnx asset ran successfully for over 100 days and has achieved a compounded 9.15% interest in those 107 days and 833$ paid out and 52$ pending dividend.

Now we can calculate the average yearly return, that we can expect with this asset:   1.0915^(365/107) = 1.348 = 34,8% yearly interest!



Reminder: USDbitfnx is a USD backed asset, that has deposits on Bitfinex and uses that USD to participate in the swap market on that site. This currently yields 34.8% yearly with USDbitfnx's swapping strategy. The balance is always 100% and this was/is audited by Damelon.

There are two ways to get USDbitfnx:

- Send NXT or BTC to me, those will be sent to Bitfinex and exchanged for USD, you will get USDbitfnx tokens into your account.
- Buy them on the exchange.

(Both ways are also open for selling/redeeming the asset)

Why would you buy USDbitfnx?

- With USDbitfnx, you can speculate on falling BTC and NXT prices
- Gain more interest than on a bank account via dividends
- Trading gains (this asset was once sold for 17 NXT, now it is worth over 50 NXT, so much volatility)

Update: I have placed a sell order with the issuer account. Once someone buys USDbitfnx from that offer, the NXT will be immediately sold and transferred to Bitfinex.

Thread: https://nxtforum.org/assets-board/(ann)-(usdbitfnx)-the-first-dividend-paying-usd-asset-(~60-per-anno)/
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13783 on: November 05, 2014, 10:01:13 pm »

First time I read in this thread. Checking the first few pages many guys predict a 1$ for NXT. So where we are now? Almost 2 cents! So what is your prediction for the next few months? 0,1$ achieveable?

Sadly I think it depends on the price of Bitcoin.  If BTC goes back to $1k mark, I can definitely see Nxt at $.1  We are still at an early adapter stage for Nxt and thus tied to BTC.

Jigoro Kano, founder of modern Judo, said that What matters is not that you are better than the next man, but that you are better than you were yesterday.
For NXT, this principle can be stated, What matters is not that you are at $1, but that you are ahead of Doge.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13784 on: November 05, 2014, 10:32:55 pm »

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13785 on: November 06, 2014, 12:12:47 am »

Why should you hold USDbitfnx in your portfolio?

Dividend paying USD asset (backed by bitfinex swaps): https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=3884.0
Asset ID:10294386916428132892

Lets assume the following:

Investor A holds 50000 USD and wants to invest into the following 3 assets for exactly 1 year
-Riskfree rate is 5% (this is way to high obvious)
-Asset 1 = USDbitfnx --> 35% expected return with a SD of 10%   (Sharperatio = 3.5)
-Asset 2 = NXT --> 100% expected return with a SD of 50%         (Sharperatio = 2)

Also: No shorting is allowed.

He will allocate his funds in the following way, if he wants a return of (with the minimum portfolio variance):


ROI = 10%:  RF=43240$ Asset1=6030$   Asset2=730$     
ROI = 20%:  RF=29723$ Asset1=18095$ Asset2=2180$
ROI = 30%:  RF=16206$ Asset1=30159$ Asset2=3633$
ROI = 40%:  RF=2688$  Asset1=42223$ Asset2=5087$
ROI = 50%:  RF= 0$      Asset1=37500$ Asset2=12500$

Optimal Portfolio of only Asset 1 + Asset 2:
Asset 1: 89.25% Asset 2: 10.75%
This portfolio has a SD of 11% and a expected rate of return of 42%. (Sharperatio = 3.82)



You can clearly see, that under this assumptions the addition of USDbitfnx to the NXT portfolio has an extraordinary reward/risk ratio. Even if you tilt the number to extreme scenarios, you should still add considerable amounts of your portfolio into an asset like USDbitfnx.

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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13786 on: November 06, 2014, 02:52:26 am »


Thank you for the attention

I don't really like commercials in General Chat.
Keep them in their own topics pls.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13787 on: November 06, 2014, 02:54:51 am »

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112863/nxt-brings-cryptocurrency-to-czech-university-curriculum

Nice article!  ;D
Will we ever see articles on NXT on CoinDesk...  ::)
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« Reply #13788 on: November 06, 2014, 03:22:28 am »

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112863/nxt-brings-cryptocurrency-to-czech-university-curriculum

Nice article!  ;D
Will we ever see articles on NXT on CoinDesk...  ::)

Wasn't Damelon in contact with coindesk for an artical?
Its not to long ago I saw him talking about that...wonder what happend about that...
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13789 on: November 06, 2014, 04:52:17 am »

Jigoro Kano, founder of modern Judo, said that What matters is not that you are better than the next man, but that you are better than you were yesterday.
For NXT, this principle can be stated, What matters is not that you are at $1, but that you are ahead of Doge.

It might be embarrassing that we are behind a crypto with unlimited inflation with a doggy on it, but it is a GRAVE INJUSTICE that we are behind a "crypto" who stole our PoS algo and added centralization to it, spreads lies, scams their users, has "dilution without limit" and whose users claim it to be and its actions show it to be "Federal Reserve 2.0"!
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13790 on: November 06, 2014, 05:02:17 am »

Jigoro Kano, founder of modern Judo, said that What matters is not that you are better than the next man, but that you are better than you were yesterday.
For NXT, this principle can be stated, What matters is not that you are at $1, but that you are ahead of Doge.

It might be embarrassing that we are behind a crypto with unlimited inflation with a doggy on it, but it is a GRAVE INJUSTICE that we are behind a "crypto" who stole our PoS algo and added centralization to it, spreads lies, scams their users, has "dilution without limit" and whose users claim it to be and its actions show it to be "Federal Reserve 2.0"!

I think we need to get out of the mindset that market cap == success. This just isnt true currently. Look at the assets on coinmarketcap, almost 80% of them are on nxt and they are all pretty big successes, doge only has doge and btsx has speculation and hype.
nxt has nxtty and jinn and supernet base and all the other James things and a movie and many more things to come. And were only around a year old. Nxt is a platform and it is being used as one.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13791 on: November 06, 2014, 05:22:21 am »

Jigoro Kano, founder of modern Judo, said that What matters is not that you are better than the next man, but that you are better than you were yesterday.
For NXT, this principle can be stated, What matters is not that you are at $1, but that you are ahead of Doge.

It might be embarrassing that we are behind a crypto with unlimited inflation with a doggy on it, but it is a GRAVE INJUSTICE that we are behind a "crypto" who stole our PoS algo and added centralization to it, spreads lies, scams their users, has "dilution without limit" and whose users claim it to be and its actions show it to be "Federal Reserve 2.0"!

I think we need to get out of the mindset that market cap == success. This just isnt true currently. Look at the assets on coinmarketcap, almost 80% of them are on nxt and they are all pretty big successes, doge only has doge and btsx has speculation and hype.
nxt has nxtty and jinn and supernet base and all the other James things and a movie and many more things to come. And were only around a year old. Nxt is a platform and it is being used as one.

True.  We should focus on what is most important which is creating a truly decentralized platform.  Eventually, the market cap will follow.

When you look at Bitcoin, Bitshares or Ripple, very few individuals are concerned about following or even advocate decentralization and if they do, it is in name only and they are willing to compromise.  It is amazing that the cryptocurrency movement which started on the ideals of decentralization and monetary freedom has so quickly turned from them.  We are the last beacon of hope for the cryptocurrency movement.  If we fail, I fear all will be lost.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13792 on: November 06, 2014, 05:27:36 am »

Jigoro Kano, founder of modern Judo, said that What matters is not that you are better than the next man, but that you are better than you were yesterday.
For NXT, this principle can be stated, What matters is not that you are at $1, but that you are ahead of Doge.

It might be embarrassing that we are behind a crypto with unlimited inflation with a doggy on it, but it is a GRAVE INJUSTICE that we are behind a "crypto" who stole our PoS algo and added centralization to it, spreads lies, scams their users, has "dilution without limit" and whose users claim it to be and its actions show it to be "Federal Reserve 2.0"!

I think we need to get out of the mindset that market cap == success. This just isnt true currently. Look at the assets on coinmarketcap, almost 80% of them are on nxt and they are all pretty big successes, doge only has doge and btsx has speculation and hype.
nxt has nxtty and jinn and supernet base and all the other James things and a movie and many more things to come. And were only around a year old. Nxt is a platform and it is being used as one.

True.  We should focus on what is most important which is creating a truly decentralized platform.  Eventually, the market cap will follow.

When you look at Bitcoin, Bitshares or Ripple, very few individuals are concerned about following or even advocate decentralization and if they do, it is in name only and they are willing to compromise.  It is amazing that the cryptocurrency movement which started on the ideals of decentralization and monetary freedom has so quickly turned from them.  We are the last beacon of hope for the cryptocurrency movement.  If we fail, I fear all will be lost.

it is rather strange how quickly people jump to centralized solutions on decentralized networks, I guess they are a lot easier to maintain. Like most exchanges, ripple, kinda open transactions, and others. Stable decentralization is hard to do, even harder to do right, I think nxt is on the right track though.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13793 on: November 06, 2014, 05:29:34 am »

Jigoro Kano, founder of modern Judo, said that What matters is not that you are better than the next man, but that you are better than you were yesterday.
For NXT, this principle can be stated, What matters is not that you are at $1, but that you are ahead of Doge.

It might be embarrassing that we are behind a crypto with unlimited inflation with a doggy on it, but it is a GRAVE INJUSTICE that we are behind a "crypto" who stole our PoS algo and added centralization to it, spreads lies, scams their users, has "dilution without limit" and whose users claim it to be and its actions show it to be "Federal Reserve 2.0"!

I think we need to get out of the mindset that market cap == success. This just isnt true currently. Look at the assets on coinmarketcap, almost 80% of them are on nxt and they are all pretty big successes, doge only has doge and btsx has speculation and hype.
nxt has nxtty and jinn and supernet base and all the other James things and a movie and many more things to come. And were only around a year old. Nxt is a platform and it is being used as one.

True.  We should focus on what is most important which is creating a truly decentralized platform.  Eventually, the market cap will follow.

When you look at Bitcoin, Bitshares or Ripple, very few individuals are concerned about following or even advocate decentralization and if they do, it is in name only and they are willing to compromise.  It is amazing that the cryptocurrency movement which started on the ideals of decentralization and monetary freedom has so quickly turned from them.  We are the last beacon of hope for the cryptocurrency movement.  If we fail, I fear all will be lost.

it is rather strange how quickly people jump to centralized solutions on decentralized networks, I guess they are a lot easier to maintain. Like most exchanges, ripple, kinda open transactions, and others. Stable decentralization is hard to do, even harder to do right, I think nxt is on the right track though.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13794 on: November 06, 2014, 05:52:02 am »

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112863/nxt-brings-cryptocurrency-to-czech-university-curriculum

Nice article!  ;D
Will we ever see articles on NXT on CoinDesk...  ::)

they made the mistake of saying this
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"The students who’ve earned the most additional money at the end of the semester will be rewarded an additional 10,000 NXT each for their accomplishment."
because im the one that's offering additional 10k for the best students but its 10k shared between the best. not 10k each.

can someone let the writer know and edit that bit.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13795 on: November 06, 2014, 06:11:10 am »

it is rather strange how quickly people jump to centralized solutions on decentralized networks, I guess they are a lot easier to maintain. Like most exchanges, ripple, kinda open transactions, and others. Stable decentralization is hard to do, even harder to do right, I think nxt is on the right track though.

Hi Jones,

Mixing allows you to take the best part of two worlds; centralisation is not always bad (I hate to have to say this), but sometimes you need laws (just look at the big scams in the Nxt world), and somebody to enforce them; for that, you have to be a real responsible physical entity.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13796 on: November 06, 2014, 06:30:23 am »

it is rather strange how quickly people jump to centralized solutions on decentralized networks, I guess they are a lot easier to maintain. Like most exchanges, ripple, kinda open transactions, and others. Stable decentralization is hard to do, even harder to do right, I think nxt is on the right track though.

Hi Jones,

Mixing allows you to take the best part of two worlds; centralisation is not always bad (I hate to have to say this), but sometimes you need laws (just look at the big scams in the Nxt world), and somebody to enforce them; for that, you have to be a real responsible physical entity.

This is true, I guess I see decentralization as more of a challenge than an aspect. For me it is just a way to remove having just one single point of failure in a system and instead distributing the possibility of failure so thinly that is is very unlikely. Scams don't happen due to the fact that there is no one central place for the nxt blockchain, this is mainly due to the nature of new technologies and the fact that people can get away with these things anonymously.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13797 on: November 06, 2014, 06:40:25 am »

it is rather strange how quickly people jump to centralized solutions on decentralized networks, I guess they are a lot easier to maintain. Like most exchanges, ripple, kinda open transactions, and others. Stable decentralization is hard to do, even harder to do right, I think nxt is on the right track though.

Hi Jones,

Mixing allows you to take the best part of two worlds; centralisation is not always bad (I hate to have to say this), but sometimes you need laws (just look at the big scams in the Nxt world), and somebody to enforce them; for that, you have to be a real responsible physical entity.

This is true, I guess I see decentralization as more of a challenge than an aspect. For me it is just a way to remove having just one single point of failure in a system and instead distributing the possibility of failure so thinly that is is very unlikely. Scams don't happen due to the fact that there is no one central place for the nxt blockchain, this is mainly due to the nature of new technologies and the fact that people can get away with these things anonymously.
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Re: Price speculation
« Reply #13798 on: November 06, 2014, 07:04:42 am »


We are the last beacon of hope for the cryptocurrency movement.  If we fail, I fear all will be lost.

Sounds like a quote from LOTR. Well, apart from the cryptocurrency bit.
They should use it in the NXT Movie. But you'd have to wear a robe and long beard, and a staff.
Or maybe StarWars, then you get a blaster I guess.
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« Reply #13799 on: November 06, 2014, 08:07:15 am »

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112863/nxt-brings-cryptocurrency-to-czech-university-curriculum

Nice article!  ;D
Will we ever see articles on NXT on CoinDesk...  ::)
Shared.
But seems all the links in the article are https://bitstash.com/.
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