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POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« on: June 10, 2016, 08:43:08 am »

We need a new name, because forging can have a negative meaning.

See the discussion:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/changing-all-forgeforging-to-stakestaking/msg218753/#msg218753

Please Vote!

Thanks in advance!


P.s.
You are allowed to select 3 options.

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.


Pfff, difficult...  ???

Some help here:
  • My computer is _____ right now.
  • I have _____ 1 block this morning
  • # _____ blocks (in the client)
  • _____ by you (in the client)
  • Not _____ (in the client)
  • _____ Fees Total (in the client)
  • In PoS we don't mine, we _____
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2016, 09:39:07 am »

We need a new name, because forging can have a negative meaning.

See the discussion:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/changing-all-forgeforging-to-stakestaking/msg218753/#msg218753

Please Vote!

Thanks in advance!


P.s.
You are allowed to select 3 options.

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.


Pfff, difficult...  ???

Some help here:
  • My computer is _____ right now.
  • I have _____ 1 block this morning
  • # _____ blocks (in the client)
  • _____ by you (in the client)
  • Not _____ (in the client)
  • _____ Fees Total (in the client)
  • In PoS we don't mine, we _____

I still second "staking" but it's not on the list!
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2016, 10:02:23 am »

Crafting ? Remind me of Minecraft.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2016, 10:07:11 am »

I still second "staking" but it's not on the list!

Sorry Crypt, forgot that one.
It's added now
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2016, 10:17:53 am »

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.

I can't.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2016, 10:34:47 am »

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.

I can't.

@Forum Admin,
I have selected the checkbox "allow users to change vote" when i made the poll, but it isn't working.
Any ideas? Clear the poll results and start over??
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2016, 10:36:14 am »

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.

I can't.

@Forum Admin,
I have selected the checkbox "allow users to change vote" when i made the poll, but it isn't working.
Any ideas? Clear the poll results and start over??

Can you send a PM to VAnbreuk?
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2016, 10:37:30 am »

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.

I can't.

@Forum Admin,
I have selected the checkbox "allow users to change vote" when i made the poll, but it isn't working.
Any ideas? Clear the poll results and start over??

Can you send a PM to VAnbreuk?

Done thnx!
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2016, 10:42:17 am »

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.

I can't.

@Forum Admin,
I have selected the checkbox "allow users to change vote" when i made the poll, but it isn't working.
Any ideas? Clear the poll results and start over??

Can you send a PM to VAnbreuk?

Done thnx!

Should work now :)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2016, 10:46:34 am »

Thnx i see the remove vote option!
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2016, 10:49:26 am »

You are also allowed to change your vote if someone may convince you to choose a different option.

I can't.

@Forum Admin,
I have selected the checkbox "allow users to change vote" when i made the poll, but it isn't working.
Any ideas? Clear the poll results and start over??

Can you send a PM to VAnbreuk?

Done thnx!

Should work now :)

Thanks ! :)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2016, 10:50:53 am »

Algo is Proof of Stake, therefore it makes sense to call it "Staking".
+ Well known phrase in other PoS communities
+ Easy to recognize, easy to understand
+ Strong focus

PS: vbuterin compared PoS to "virtual mining". Imo it is a very good term if you want to explain what PoS is about.
But using the term "Staking" is good enough to be included in software.

edit: novelty terms like "baking, forming..." will cause only uncertainty
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2016, 11:04:03 am »

Algo is Proof of Stake, therefore it makes sense to call it "Staking".
+ Well known phrase in other PoS communities
+ Easy to recognize, easy to understand
+ Strong focus

PS: vbuterin compared PoS to "virtual mining". Imo it is a very good term if you want to explain what PoS is about.
But using the term "Staking" is good enough to be included in software.

edit: novelty terms like "baking, forming..." will cause only uncertainty

Thanks for your opinion and facts!

As far as I know there are is no real standard that is written for the name of "PoS mining".
We can make the standard as no one has ever made something like the CoreDevs are doing for NXT 2.0!
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2016, 12:43:04 pm »

Jean-Luc had a great idea on Slack:

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if we first invent a good name for the forging token, even if meaningless, we can go backwards and create a verb based on it, to indicate that this is what you do with this token

[2:33] 
e.g., if we were Lisk, the process would be called Lisking

We call the coin Stake and we are Staking (STAKE). Master of Proof-of-Stakes!  8)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2016, 12:47:14 pm »

+1 staking
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2016, 01:01:43 pm »

i vote staking here!!  :P

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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2016, 01:03:26 pm »

Jean-Luc had a great idea on Slack:

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if we first invent a good name for the forging token, even if meaningless, we can go backwards and create a verb based on it, to indicate that this is what you do with this token

[2:33] 
e.g., if we were Lisk, the process would be called Lisking

We call the coin Stake and we are Staking (STAKE). Master of Proof-of-Stakes!  8)

Really nice idea, but there are too many ideas for a token name if you look at the other thread, so this is probably faster...

Other ideas:
Brangdon had the idea of BAK coin -> Baking process.
I thought of the BGE coin (beegee) -> based on Jean-Luc his post: "Block Generating Chain". -> Generating process
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2016, 01:04:00 pm »

I like it, we don't lose the essence.
+1 staking (STAKE/STK)

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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2016, 04:00:07 pm »

@wolffang - I got your PM regarding the "change vote" option not working. Maybe Damelon already had fixed the poll, but I checked and there seems to be sometimes a bug for that option when the poll is not created by a local/global moderator with certain permissions.

I applied a fix so the permissions are processed properly, and I just checked with a test user and it does work. So in any case, if anyone wants to undo their votes and vote again, just use the "Remove vote" button right under the poll options.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2016, 04:03:05 pm »

My 2 nxts:

Having this discussion without involving the broader Proof-of-Stake community is almost a waste of time. Now that so many different platforms use/plan to use PoS in some capacity it's almost impossible to establish the 'accepted term' on a forum as isolated as this one.

Suggestion: invite the other communities to have a discussion about it, if nothing else it exposes more intelligent and productive people to the Nxt platform
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2016, 04:10:14 pm »

@wolffang - I got your PM regarding the "change vote" option not working. Maybe Damelon already had fixed the poll, but I checked and there seems to be sometimes a bug for that option when the poll is not created by a local/global moderator with certain permissions.

I applied a fix so the permissions are processed properly, and I just checked with a test user and it does work. So in any case, if anyone wants to undo their votes and vote again, just use the "Remove vote" button right under the poll options.

Thanks for your help and the final fix! Damelon applied the quick fix.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2016, 04:13:25 pm »

Algo is Proof of Stake, therefore it makes sense to call it "Staking".
+ Well known phrase in other PoS communities
+ Easy to recognize, easy to understand
+ Strong focus

PS: vbuterin compared PoS to "virtual mining". Imo it is a very good term if you want to explain what PoS is about.
But using the term "Staking" is good enough to be included in software.

edit: novelty terms like "baking, forming..." will cause only uncertainty

Why is the PoW (Proof of Work) process called "Mining"?
It should be called "Working" if PoS (Proof of Stake) needs to be called "Staking"  :-*
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2016, 11:05:34 am »

Dont forget to vote!  You can select 3 options.

Difficult to choose.....

Platform name for Nxt2.0 platform -> HYDRA by MrCluster
See This topic for more info
https://nxtforum.org/core-development-announcements/nxt-2-0-overview/msg218943/?topicseen#msg218943

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Staking
The term poker staking, or simply staking, refers to the act of putting cash up on behalf of a poker player in the hopes that he or she wins. The person who puts the cash up is the backer. The backed poker player is the horse.

Staking is an investment. Prior to play, the backer and the horse negotiate a percentage, and then the backer takes that percentage of all winnings, which can be quite lucrative in high-profile tournaments and high-dollar ring games.
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If Hydra would be a good name backed by the community than Generating sounds better as Hydra can (re )-generate multiple new heads.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2016, 11:07:50 pm »

I want to start a blockchain poll on monday with the top3.
Please vote on this forum poll if you havent done it.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2016, 01:04:27 pm »

I want to start a blockchain poll on monday with the top3.
Please vote on this forum poll if you havent done it.

You should just the top 5 since the amount of vote is still low.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2016, 02:58:15 pm »

Just have to repeat what I said: I think you're wasting your time until you include the broader community of crypto that uses Proof of Stake. It's no longer a niche technology, and Nxt is nowhere near the position of influence to determine the term single-handedly. Nxt need to stop being so centric and start focusing on the bigger pictures.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2016, 04:29:45 pm »

I fear this is much ado about nothing.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2016, 04:55:22 pm »

Just have to repeat what I said: I think you're wasting your time until you include the broader community of crypto that uses Proof of Stake. It's no longer a niche technology, and Nxt is nowhere near the position of influence to determine the term single-handedly. Nxt need to stop being so centric and start focusing on the bigger pictures.

This is a good idea but impossible to conduct.

If you have a look at coingecko you'll find more than 30 coins with POS protocol. All those coins have a community like Nxt. To contact each of them and to find a consensus about this term is a life's work!
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2016, 09:01:12 pm »

Just have to repeat what I said: I think you're wasting your time until you include the broader community of crypto that uses Proof of Stake. It's no longer a niche technology, and Nxt is nowhere near the position of influence to determine the term single-handedly. Nxt need to stop being so centric and start focusing on the bigger pictures.

This is a good idea but impossible to conduct.

If you have a look at coingecko you'll find more than 30 coins with POS protocol. All those coins have a community like Nxt. To contact each of them and to find a consensus about this term is a life's work!


Go to the 'gold standard' of coinmarketcap. Pick top 20 (you have to if you want to include Nxt these days) and contact some representative of the PoS communities. You only need the ones that is actually relevant.


PS: Klee, I know your wife left you and you have ruined your own life, but continuously 'negging' me on this forum won't bring her back. Move on.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2016, 09:09:27 pm »

PS: Klee, I know your wife left you and you have ruined your own life, but continuously 'negging' me on this forum won't bring her back. Move on.

Please stay ontopic or find another forum to fight each other. Thanks.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2016, 11:03:16 pm »

PS: Klee, I know your wife left you and you have ruined your own life, but continuously 'negging' me on this forum won't bring her back. Move on.

Please stay ontopic or find another forum to fight each other. Thanks.

Fuck off Farl4bit, you deleted my post merely criticizing Klee's claim that he can predict markets. I understand that this is way beyond your brain's ability to comprehend, but to actually predict markets is an extraordinary claim that require extraordinary evidence, none of which Klee has presented, so your bias has been exposed 100% for anyone with even two digits IQ. Not to mention the fact that you deleted the posts where Klee was claiming me and CfB hacked him for 1000 BTC and called me a 'homo', 'transvestite', 'girls are useless' etc. Where is your outrage over this? Nowhere. You're useless in every sense of the word.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2016, 11:42:38 pm »

Warning to ANYONE bringing a personal vendetta to the forums: don't.

It serves no purpose on either side.

The deleted posts have been autosaved, and it's rather clear you two have a problem with each other.

The forum administration doesn't take a standpoint there, apart from the fact that the whole thing was out of line and needed to be dealt with.

These forums and threads are for discussion and debate and cooperation, not for settling grudges. There are plenty of other places to have it out.

Please back on topic in this thread.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2016, 12:06:05 am »

Agreed. Please stick to the topic. We've all had bad stuff happen to us and some of it is self inflicted. We also have a common love of crypto and NXT so let focus on the good and leave the past in the past.

Also, staking sounds like we're placing a wooden stake into a vampire's heart. Staking does not sound like someone creating a block. That's why I voted for forging. It means creating, like something you'd do to make a coin.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2016, 05:45:09 am »

Also, staking sounds like we're placing a wooden stake into a vampire's heart. Staking does not sound like someone creating a block. That's why I voted for forging. It means creating, like something you'd do to make a coin.

The more I think about the more I realize that Forging isn't that bad. Staking feels like sitting and doing nothing, forging is indeed more like creating something.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2016, 07:24:46 am »

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. It's an old topic but an important one.
My first impression of "forging" wasn't a positive one.
It reminded me of "faking" like many others in this forum experienced.
Only when I looked up the dictionary that I realized "forging" also has positive meanings.
Only then that I tried to convince myself to get used to this term.

But my point is, FIRST IMPRESSION COUNTS,
and getting the right message across should be as no-brainer as possible.
We are trying to market NXT not only to the crypto world and geeks,
but also to businesses and layman. (Consider me a layman though I was tech trained).

Let's put our minds together to focus on a better term
(unless none of us here could come up with one).
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2016, 08:00:28 am »

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. It's an old topic but an important one.
My first impression of "forging" wasn't a positive one.
It reminded me of "faking" like many others in this forum experienced.
Only when I looked up the dictionary that I realized "forging" also has positive meanings.
Only then that I tried to convince myself to get used to this term.

But my point is, FIRST IMPRESSION COUNTS,
and getting the right message across should be as no-brainer as possible.
We are trying to market NXT not only to the crypto world and geeks,
but also to businesses and layman. (Consider me a layman though I was tech trained).

Let's put our minds together to focus on a better term
(unless none of us here could come up with one).

Thanks for sharing your opinion ... and welcome here!  :)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2016, 08:01:14 am »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2016, 08:04:31 am »

Thanks farl4bit. Glad to be here :)
Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. It's an old topic but an important one.
My first impression of "forging" wasn't a positive one.
It reminded me of "faking" like many others in this forum experienced.
Only when I looked up the dictionary that I realized "forging" also has positive meanings.
Only then that I tried to convince myself to get used to this term.

But my point is, FIRST IMPRESSION COUNTS,
and getting the right message across should be as no-brainer as possible.
We are trying to market NXT not only to the crypto world and geeks,
but also to businesses and layman. (Consider me a layman though I was tech trained).

Let's put our minds together to focus on a better term
(unless none of us here could come up with one).

Thanks for sharing your opinion ... and welcome here!  :)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2016, 08:15:16 am »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.

I have added Farming to the poll.
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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2016, 08:19:21 am »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.

Sounds cool, +1 vote.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2016, 08:30:05 am »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.

I have added Farming to the poll.

Thanks wolffang! Impressed by your efficiency!
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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2016, 08:33:04 am »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.

I have added Farming to the poll.

Thanks wolffang! Impressed by your efficiency!

Thanks for your great post! :)

Farming to feed the HYDRA (Nxt 2.0 blockchain).  :P
https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=11425.msg218946#msg218946
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2016, 08:34:47 am »

Sounds cool, +1 vote.

Thanks lurker10.. really motivates this newbie here to want to post more.
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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2016, 09:04:46 am »

Welcome here @cryptoknight, glad to see you here!!  ;) 8)

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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2016, 09:09:38 am »

I think fund investments are the closest thing in the banking world to it, so it should be called whatever it is called there
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2016, 01:09:34 pm »

Warning to ANYONE bringing a personal vendetta to the forums: don't.



The deleted posts have been autosaved, and it's rather clear you two have a problem with each other.



So they have been autosaved and you have had the chance to go through them and yet kLee isn't perma-banned from this forum? It's ok for a forum member to make accusations of serious crime against other community members without a shred of evidence? It's ok for a forum member to soley instigate infinite ad hominem attacks on someone that merely ask a rational question regarding their claims that they can predict markets?

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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2016, 01:20:53 pm »

Warning to ANYONE bringing a personal vendetta to the forums: don't.



The deleted posts have been autosaved, and it's rather clear you two have a problem with each other.



So they have been autosaved and you have had the chance to go through them and yet kLee isn't perma-banned from this forum? It's ok for a forum member to make accusations of serious crime against other community members without a shred of evidence? It's ok for a forum member to soley instigate infinite ad hominem attacks on someone that merely ask a rational question regarding their claims that they can predict markets?

Honestly Damelon, answer this and I consider the case done.

OK, from the saved posts it is clear that after this post (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/price-speculation/msg218843/#msg218843) you responded to klee and referenced another thread, which as far as I know is on bitcointalk.
I am not going to provide the link to that thread.

That post then went on to speak about klee in less than flattering terms to which klee also responded in less than flattering terms.

The discussion then degraded into a general fight over accusations that were only referenced and not understandable without the context of bitcointalk.

They were deleted for the simple fact they were irrelevant and harmful and without proof.

I am considering this a fight between people who have many reasons to hate each others guts that spilled over into our forums.

Is that reason to ban? Then we'd have to ban a lot of people. So this is a warning and a promise.

If it happens again and we judge it to be out of line: there will be a ban.

To answer your question more directly: no, it's not all right to accuse someone personally without proof. The judgement on how harsh we deal out a slap is on us as admins and we do not think it warrants a ban and we consider this matter closed with the deletion of the offending material. If it should happen again, contact us and we will deal with it accordingly.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2016, 01:52:02 pm »

Last chances to vote or change your vote, before the top picks will become a blockchain vote!  8)
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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2016, 02:13:38 pm »

Last chances to vote or change your vote, before the top picks will become a blockchain vote!  8)

How about running round 2 on the forum, eliminate options with 0-1-2 votes.
Round 3 in the blockchain.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2016, 02:14:11 pm »

That's why I voted for forging. It means creating, like something you'd do to make a coin.
It means counterfeiting, like something you'd do to make a coin that defrauded someone. That's not a connotation we should accept.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2016, 02:15:34 pm »

Last chances to vote or change your vote, before the top picks will become a blockchain vote!  8)

How about running round 2 on the forum, eliminate options with 0-1-2 votes.
Round 3 in the blockchain.

Good idea, thnx Lurker!
Updated it with the max 2 votes deleted.

You can do a Remove Vote (button under the poll) to pick your new top 3.
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« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2016, 02:23:15 pm »

Wasn't farming 3 votes? :)
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« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2016, 02:39:18 pm »

Wasn't farming 3 votes? :)

I had removed my vote lol.

Added it again  :o
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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2016, 03:05:44 pm »

Welcome here @cryptoknight, glad to see you here!!  ;) 8)
Good to meet you too, yassin54 :)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2016, 04:29:54 pm »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.

To add, "farming" isn't another out-of-this-world term.
It is also commonly used in non-traditional farms such as solar farms, wind farms, server farms.
Since we are going thru a rebranding exercise, and no PoS coins are really big enough to influence "staking" as a standard term yet,
I suggest going with NXT crypto "farming". Let us set the standard!

The NXT network is essentially a distributed and decentralized network of crypto "farms".
Each node that secures the network is a crypto "farm" that help keep the entire NXT ecosystem alive.
Anyone can start a crypto "farm" by obtaining some NXT seeds to start "farming".

The above is my shameless canvassing for "farming". I urge others to canvass "why" their desired name should be chosen.
Let's not go thru another few years of pain self-doubting the name we selected.
Pls re-consider your votes.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2016, 06:26:53 pm »

That was good cryptoknight. Moved from staking to farming and harvesting.
If we need to adopt NXT 2.0 to agricultural communities this will be better.
Industrialized societies and those IT based will understand farming/harvesting also.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2016, 06:30:02 pm by danisapfirov »
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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2016, 07:36:40 am »

Please reconsider your votes if necessary!

After 12 hours from now, the (probably 3) lowest scored options will be removed.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2016, 10:13:09 am »

How about "farming"? Ever had discussions on NXT crypto "farming"?

Sow and harvest your NXT via NXT crypto farming.
Secure the NXT network by being a NXT farmer.
NXT crypto eco-farming is low energy, green and eco-friendly.
Get some NXT crypto-seeds from an exchange and start farming.

    My computer is "farming" right now.
    I have "harvested" 1 block this morning.
    # "farmed/harvested" blocks (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" by you (in the client).
    Not "farming" (in the client).
    "Farmed/Harvested" Fees Total (in the client).
    In PoS we don't mine, we eco-"farm".

NXT becomes the food to create assets.
Just some food for thought. Will "farming" cause confusion?
Just my 2 NXT worth. Open for critics.

To add, "farming" isn't another out-of-this-world term.
It is also commonly used in non-traditional farms such as solar farms, wind farms, server farms.
Since we are going thru a rebranding exercise, and no PoS coins are really big enough to influence "staking" as a standard term yet,
I suggest going with NXT crypto "farming". Let us set the standard!

The NXT network is essentially a distributed and decentralized network of crypto "farms".
Each node that secures the network is a crypto "farm" that help keep the entire NXT ecosystem alive.
Anyone can start a crypto "farm" by obtaining some NXT seeds to start "farming".

The above is my shameless canvassing for "farming". I urge others to canvass "why" their desired name should be chosen.
Let's not go thru another few years of pain self-doubting the name we selected.
Pls re-consider your votes.

Thanks danisapfirov, and yes, the concept of crypto "farming" makes it simple for different communities to grasp.

Opportunities of adopting the "farming" concept include the possibility of solving most of our naming challenges.
The 2.0 forging token on the main chain could be named [NXT] "seeds". (Replace [NXT] with new name)
The 2.0 transaction token on the first child chain could simply be [NXT] or [NXT] coin, etc.
[NXT] "seeds" secure the crypto "farm" network while [NXT] coins are used for other form of transactions.
Non-geeks, traders and users only interested in transferring coins don't even need to know what is a main/child chain.
They only need to understand the difference between a [NXT] "seed" and a [NXT] coin (or perhaps don't even need to know what a [NXT] "seed" is).
No more confusion with the current naming convention of FXT, FNX, etc.

I urge everyone to do a SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats) of the name you are voting for.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2016, 07:49:15 pm »

Casting(8.) and Forming(8.) deleted.
If you had voted on them use the vote for another one.
Farming(9.) gets the benefit of a doubt because it was added late.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2016, 05:18:50 pm »

Thursday evening CET lowest 2 or 3 options will be removed.  Vote if you havent
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« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2016, 11:24:52 pm »

Staking and Forging are close now.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #61 on: June 16, 2016, 09:46:22 am »

So, what it mean if staking win, change current forging to staking ;D
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« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2016, 01:23:57 pm »

I just want to put my case in like I just made it on slack

Quote

Bas Wisselink [15:18] 
I really advise staking for reasons of standardisation with other PoS and the connotations

[15:18] 
Even if JL doesn't think it's accurate. :stuck_out_tongue:

farl4bit [15:18] 
@libertynow: we all got 0.1% richer

nxtswe [15:19] 
it does not have to be 100% technically correct though.

Jonathan [15:19] 
Oh right yeah .1% lol
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Bas Wisselink [15:19] 
@nxtswe: exactly

nxtswe [15:19] 
as long as it is not a lie ... which it might be?

[15:19] 
after all, I don't really put anything at 'stake' when I forge .. erhmm.. stake.

Bas Wisselink [15:20] 
I read it as "using your stake" instead of "putting at stake"

nxtswe [15:20] 
I just 'use' them, noone will ever be able to take them from me if I stake.

[15:20] 
ahh

Bas Wisselink [15:20] 
zing

[15:20] 
snap

[15:20] 
:slightly_smiling_face:

nxtswe [15:20] 
'how are you using your stake' ?

Bas Wisselink [15:20] 
In a case were it's not ever perfect, I prefer the neutral and most used term

[15:21] 
Instead of a term with possible negatives and only used in a small community


nxtswe [15:21] 
I'd like my stake medium rare please

Bas Wisselink [15:21] 
I cannot put my case clearer than above


Cryptkeeper [15:21] 
Coders usually sucks at marketing!

[15:21] 
Staking FTW!

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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #63 on: June 16, 2016, 06:49:22 pm »

Forging and staking won big time. I am going to setup a blockchain vote to decide who will be the winner!

Rest had 13/14 votes
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #64 on: June 16, 2016, 07:56:02 pm »

Blockchain POLL is up!

Choose FORGING or STAKING.
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

Vote now!


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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2016, 09:35:37 pm »

We need a new name, because forging can have a negative meaning.

So, in the end, just one option to vote. Funny poll.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2016, 09:41:27 pm »

The problem that I see is that "staking" has not spanish term.

Don't worry @Jose, i don't appreciate/feel in this thread/poll nothing official but it's funny :)

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« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2016, 05:17:28 am »

We need a new name, because forging can have a negative meaning.

So, in the end, just one option to vote. Funny poll.

Yeah it concluded that alot still want forging and others want staking.

Blockchain vote will decide the the final answer
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2016, 10:32:16 am »

Vote staking, by the way, what's this "DavidCoin pay divident".
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« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2016, 10:48:25 am »

Vote staking, by the way, what's this "DavidCoin pay divident".

From the david coin issuer.  Probably called David ;D
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« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2016, 01:10:14 pm »

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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2016, 04:13:28 pm »

To tell you the truth, I'd rather have more options to choose in this final round.
Now, it all boils down to choose between keeping the same name, which people smarter than I said it has negative connotations, and a new name that I don't like, at all.

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« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2016, 04:22:35 pm »

To tell you the truth, I'd rather have more options to choose in this final round.
Now, it all boils down to choose between keeping the same name, which people smarter than I said it has negative connotations, and a new name that I don't like, at all.

 ::)

I understand, but the difference was too big in the results to let it be included in the final poll.
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« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2016, 09:06:18 pm »

The options seemed to get pruned very quickly. It seemed like there were a couple of days when I didn't visit the forum, and the options went from 8 down to 2.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #74 on: June 17, 2016, 09:29:18 pm »

Ummmm, how do you know if you have a quorum making the voting valid?  In other words, just because somebody creates a poll, it doesn't necessarily amount to anything.  Is there some protocol that I don't know of that states we need at least 100,000,000 in nxt (for example) to make the poll binding?



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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2016, 08:00:38 am »

1. There was a difference of 12 votes between 2nd highest Forging and Generating / Minting. Rest was under.

2. Time is not on our side. Promotion starts in July.

3. Quorum is very hard to get. There aren't alot of active users, so how would you be able to check what you need and get what you need.

4. Sorry for inconvinience.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2016, 08:51:56 am »

Ummmm, how do you know if you have a quorum making the voting valid?  In other words, just because somebody creates a poll, it doesn't necessarily amount to anything.  Is there some protocol that I don't know of that states we need at least 100,000,000 in nxt (for example) to make the poll binding?
If multiple people were what wolffang is doing, I guess you could compare the number of votes and such to determine which is more valid.
But I don't see anyone else than wolffang taking an initiative and pushing these questions ahead.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2016, 07:22:33 am »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2016, 08:40:44 am »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

In other way we shall happy for he/she still appreciate NXT :P
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2016, 12:06:26 pm »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

It's only useless if you allow them to make decisions they were never supposed to make.
Stakers secure the network, and that's *it*. That's the power they wield and all that they are given by the protocol.
I don't see bitcoin miners being asked about names of things and actually having a say by PoW for more that being able to secure things.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2016, 12:10:39 pm »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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NXT-THLJ-CYAL-JQST-6FNS5   4484162400698246576   FORGING   50,001,787.74780191

It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Would you feel that way if they had voted for staking? They deserve a bigger voice because they have a bigger stake and more at risk. Besides, people can call it whatever they want.  When I discuss NXT with friends, I just say "creating blocks" anyway.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2016, 12:11:47 pm »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Would you feel that way if they had voted for staking? They deserve a bigger voice because they have a bigger stake and more at risk. Besides, people can call it whatever they want.  When I discuss NXT with friends, I just say "creating blocks" anyway.

Valid observation :)
And indeed, I never use forging anywhere I talk either. I tend to use "securing the blockchain".
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2016, 12:27:38 pm »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Would you feel that way if they had voted for staking? They deserve a bigger voice because they have a bigger stake and more at risk. Besides, people can call it whatever they want.  When I discuss NXT with friends, I just say "creating blocks" anyway.

I don't criticize the outcome but that this is even possible!
Bigger stake - d'accord. More at risk - I don't know. I'm sure that some guys have more skin in the game than an original stakeholder with 50m NXT. Depends on when you've bought into Nxt. How much have the original Nxt stakeholders spent for their share? 1 BTC!

And that you don't use "forging" in discussions shows clearly how wrong this term is.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2016, 12:47:36 pm »

Please vote
https://www.mynxt.info/poll/6014547227999175389

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
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NXT-THLJ-CYAL-JQST-6FNS5   4484162400698246576   FORGING   50,001,787.74780191

It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Would you feel that way if they had voted for staking? They deserve a bigger voice because they have a bigger stake and more at risk. Besides, people can call it whatever they want.  When I discuss NXT with friends, I just say "creating blocks" anyway.

I don't criticize the outcome but that this is even possible!
Bigger stake - d'accord. More at risk - I don't know. I'm sure that some guys have more skin in the game than an original stakeholder with 50m NXT. Depends on when you've bought into Nxt. How much have the original Nxt stakeholders spent for their share? 1 BTC!

And that you don't use "forging" in discussions shows clearly how wrong this term is.

NXT still in low capital, so that's lots of opportunity.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2016, 12:53:56 pm »

I don't use the term "mining" when talking about bitcoin either. At least I don't when I'm speaking to someone new to crypto.

As for original stakeholders, the guy with 50M nxt has about $400,000 to lose. I'm not jealous that he was smart enough to get into NXT early and I applaud his profit.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2016, 01:39:56 pm »

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Where is other 91% of stakeholders?
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2016, 05:09:15 pm »

My 2NXT:

It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

I must disagree here ;) . I can't speak for others. The only fact from the poll is that one word was choosen over the other, of the two options available.
Personally, I don't believe in sabotages coming from people who own that much at stake. If they decided to vote, at least it means that they are up to date about Nxt news, and that they've taken the time to vote.
The main problem I see is that there were just 20 votes casted. (9 voted for one option and 11 for the other). That's not even half of the people that voted at nxtforum (44). Maybe people didn't know about the poll, didn't have time to vote, didn't like the final options or... didn't care.

(By the way, even if three or four of the bigger holders that took part in that poll hadn't cast their vote, the result would have been the same.)



It's only useless if you allow them to make decisions they were never supposed to make.
Stakers secure the network, and that's *it*. That's the power they wield and all that they are given by the protocol.
I don't see bitcoin miners being asked about names of things and actually having a say by PoW for more that being able to secure things.

Miners have a lot of power. A hardfork in Bitcoin won't happen if most miners don't support it. See, for example, Bitcoin Classic or Bitcoin XT

This...
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2016, 06:39:01 pm »

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Where is other 91% of stakeholders?

There were only 20 people (or less) taking part in this vote. Maybe the others don't care or they didn't react quickly enough because the duration of the vote was only about 3 days.

My concern was not over the outcome (ok, maybe a little bit ;)) of the vote, but the disparity which is revealed by it. Community voting about every little issue is rendered useless with low participation combined with top accounts which have some kind of veto power. You can do as you wish, but for myself I decided to not take part again in community votings. I've once voted by donation for the Tennessee project and I trust these guys to do the best for Nxt!
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2016, 03:55:53 am »

I agree with CryptKeeper. Would like to see better participation. How many users of NXT are there anyways?
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2016, 08:21:17 pm »

It's just a name, so I don't really care. Maybe others feel that way.
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #90 on: June 25, 2016, 08:12:58 pm »

I thought we could leave the bad distribution issues behind us! But this account shows that it is impossible to change anything in Nxt against the will of the original stakeholders:
It's very sad that big shareholders render the community efforts in marketing useless. :'(

Where is other 91% of stakeholders?

Don't know.. I like it that you are still around!  :)
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Re: POLL: new name for mining in PoS
« Reply #91 on: June 26, 2016, 07:06:03 am »

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