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« on: November 15, 2014, 07:07:40 pm »

First off I would like to thank QBTC for the work she has done on Nxt.org (I'm definitely a fan), and I have an idea how we can expand on it to make it into more of a gateway rather than just an information repository.

At the moment I don’t think we are making full use of the benefits (marketing wise) that the blockchain could provide. We have a somewhat unique client that is browser based rather than QT cloned, and think we should use this to our advantage.

I think that Nxt.org should be the home of a blockexplorer that mirrors the official UI, a block explorer is nothing new, but it’s the presentation that makes all the difference. Current ones are fairly techie looking, and are treated as a public ledger.

To the public they would be amazed that they could access their account easily anywhere in the world, without even entering a password. “Easily Accessible 24/7 on any device!”

Everything would look like the current official bootstrap NxtWallet UI (aka Wesley). You could see the dashboard, transactions, market place, your assets, messages (private ones not shown) and access the asset exchange. However everything would be read only.

There would need to be a few differences, a few ideas being:
  • The connection status would be: Offline (Read Only)
  • The Nxt.org header menu remains
  • Instead of the Send NXT button on the header, there would be a login button
  • All action buttons would have to be deleted and optionally replaced with a login or demo* button
  • There could be a Nxt.org option on the main left menu (similar to Supernet), that shows off a few of the 3rd party features: ‘Fund your account’ section showing the Faucets** and Exchanges, ‘Services’ section showing the other available projects (NxtReporting, SecureAE, Nxtty, MyNxt, Lyth etc).
Clicking on ‘Login’ would be a popup window stating that you need to have Nxt installed (NRS) and running. Two options:
“Yes, Nxt is running.” – URL points to 127.0.0.1
“No, take me to downloads” – forwards to download section

Concept Homepage:


Notes:
Username is your alias, this would increase the want to purchase aliases and use our tokens on the platform.

This is a decentralised market, so Nxt.org doesn’t have to be the only site that does this, actually it might be better if there are other sites that also host the same service, and Nxt.org could just point to a random provider.

*Demo – Nxt.org should also be the home to an online demo version of Nxt, so that the users could try all our features without downloading and potentially spending hours waiting and setting up an account (people have a very limited attention span!). Also as you know Nxt has terrible reputation, many Nxt haters would never download our ‘scam’ software, but we might stand a chance of changing their minds if they could sample everything in a couple of minutes. More details of this feature to follow.

**Faucets, personally I also think there should be a faucet hosted on Nxt.org. I know Wesley is keen to move his there.

P.S. The concept image was mocked up very quickly and I'm obviously not a graphic design, I would expect the real thing to look a hell of a lot nicer. :)

Edit: Changed Subject to include Demo
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2014, 08:25:47 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2014, 09:45:37 pm »

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2014, 09:59:52 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2014, 10:05:16 pm »

haha, I like this one, +1

Ty made it a couple minutes ago. ;D
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2014, 12:16:08 pm »

+1440 for improvements and advancements!

My version of Nxt.org was to improve on what was - and we can keep that same perspective going forward. My work was also voluntary and unfunded. Unfortunately my life circumstances require me to look at all of my projects as profit centers until I become a Nxtillionaire.

I'm happy to talk about the project in more detail or defer the project to someone who might be able to pull this off faster than I can. Unfortunately those same life circumstances have slowed my normal speediness to a slow grind...

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2014, 08:32:01 am »

Thanks everyone for the input, if I could get the views of a few more people from the community so that I know this is something that is wanted, then I will come up with an implementation plan.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2014, 08:42:05 am »

Thanks everyone for the input, if I could get the views of a few more people from the community so that I know this is something that is wanted, then I will come up with an implementation plan.
+1  Good idea, full support, the easiest the access to Nxt, the best.
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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2014, 12:00:40 am »

Nxt.org Demo Ideas:

I just had a quick search and seems like quite a few people already want this feature :),some discussion and good ideas in the bounty thread with Jean-Luc:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/tutorial-bounty-basket!/msg126486/#msg126486

One of the key features is that it should be very quick and easy for the user to try the features, and we don't want any extra barriers of entry. The UI and the backend NRS should start as the standard latest edition however it should be tweaked for the purpose of being the demo version.

NRS:
Standard, however resets to a certain block height after x number of blocks

Lets say the block height is reset to 1000 every x days. Prior to block 1000 we set up Say 10 pre-made accounts, each with say 50,000 NXT. Also there should be a number of premade assets and market products created.

UI:
The UI should be standard apart from a custom login screen. The login screen would also have a list of selectable pre-made accounts, clicking on them opens them up without any pass phrase needing to be entered, eg:
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Select a pre-made demo account:

Demo Account 1
NXT-*

Demo Account 2
NXT-*

Demo Account 3 etc

Create a new test account (advanced):

[This would just be the standard enter secret phrase typing box.]

-------------------------------------------------
Within the UI, Contacts are set up as: Demo Account 1, Demo Account 2 etc so that people can send Nxt to the other pre-made accounts easily, then logout and see the funds arrive in that other Demo Account.

I’ve tried to make it so there are as a few changes needed to both the UI and NRS, so when a new version comes out only the custom login page and looping block height need to be pasted in quickly.

Notes:

This method does mean you might have multiple people accessing the same demo account simultaneously, but it would only be people new to Nxt that would select the pre made accounts and I doubt we would have more than 10 online at any given moment. The benefit this gives us is that people can try the Nxt platform within seconds rather than waste any time setting up accounts and getting test NXT.

There would be an 11th pre made account created, with the secret phrase "fundmyaccount" this holds say 10 million NXT. 'Advanced users' can use this to fund the newly created accounts.

Blockchain reset should probably be between 2-7 days so that it gives people enough time to play around.

There should be a warning on top of the login screen saying accounts will be reset every X Days

I selected 50,000 NXT because I didn't want it to be too high as then they will feel poor when they move to the

Potentially the UI could have custom demo help messages guiding new users around the UI, but this would mean extra effort and would need constant updating every time a new UI comes out.

Block height of 1000 was just used as an example.

Probably best being run on a stand alone peer that can't connect to any others.
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2014, 01:17:31 pm »

Nxt.org Demo Ideas:

I just had a quick search and seems like quite a few people already want this feature :),some discussion and good ideas in the bounty thread with Jean-Luc:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/tutorial-bounty-basket!/msg126486/#msg126486

One of the key features is that it should be very quick and easy for the user to try the features, and we don't want any extra barriers of entry. The UI and the backend NRS should start as the standard latest edition however it should be tweaked for the purpose of being the demo version.

NRS:
Standard, however resets to a certain block height after a x number of blocks

Lets say the block height is reset to 1000 every x days. Prior to block 1000 we set up Say 10 pre-made accounts, each with say 50,000 NXT. Also there should be a number of premade assets and market products created.

UI:
The UI should be standard apart from a custom login screen. The login screen would also have a list of selectable pre-made accounts, clicking on them opens them up without any pass phrase needing to be entered, eg:
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Select a pre-made demo account:

Test Account 1
NXT-*

Test Account 2
NXT-*

Test Account 3 etc

Create a new test account (advanced):

[This would just be the standard enter secret phrase typing box.]

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Within the UI, Contacts are set up as: Test Account 1, Test Account 2 etc so that people can send Nxt to the other pre-made accounts easily, then logout and see the funds arrive in that other Demo Account.

I’ve tried to make it so there are as a few changes needed to both the UI and NRS, so when a new version comes out only the custom login page and looping block height need to be pasted in quickly.

Notes:

This method does mean you might have multiple people accessing the same demo account simultaneously, but it would only be people new to Nxt that would select the pre made accounts and I doubt we would have more than 10 online at any given moment. The benefit this gives us is that people can try the Nxt platform within seconds rather than waste any time setting up accounts and getting test NXT.

There would be an 11th pre made account created, with the secret phrase "fundmyaccount" this holds say 10 million NXT. 'Advanced users' can use this to fund the newly created accounts.

Blockchain reset should probably be between 2-7 days so that it gives people enough time to play around.

There should be a warning on top of the login screen saying accounts will be reset every X Days

I selected 50,000 NXT because I didn't want it to be too high as then they will feel poor when they move to the

Potentially the UI could have custom demo help messages guiding new users around the UI, but this would mean extra effort and would need constant updating every time a new UI comes out.

Block height of 1000 was just used as an example.

Probably best being run on a stand alone peer that can't connect to any others.

Why not to run Demo NRS on real testnet, why to complicate? Is there some problems to do this?
Also it would be good idea to include Freemarket and Supernet in Demo :)

P.S. It was my idea of live demo, just I can't do UI by myself :)
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2014, 01:31:07 pm »


Why not to run Demo NRS on real testnet, why to complicate? Is there some problems to do this?
Also it would be good idea to include Freemarket and Supernet in Demo :)

P.S. It was my idea of live demo, just I can't do UI by myself :)

Problem is that if it is based on real test net, users would have to request test NXT on the forum as they do now which isn't very user friendly. You also don't have the option of the blockchain resetting, meaning the network would be tampered with very quickly by Nxt being sent to dark accounts/genesis, and the premade accounts would have to be restocked on a regular basis meaning more work in the long run.

I was thinking of just forking the test net. Although one of the devs would have to inject the looping code for us, or tell us how to do it.

P.S. Good thinking on the demo!
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2014, 02:01:53 pm »


Why not to run Demo NRS on real testnet, why to complicate? Is there some problems to do this?
Also it would be good idea to include Freemarket and Supernet in Demo :)

P.S. It was my idea of live demo, just I can't do UI by myself :)

Problem is that if it is based on real test net, users would have to request test NXT on the forum as they do now which isn't very user friendly. You also don't have the option of the blockchain resetting, meaning the network would be tampered with very quickly by Nxt being sent to dark accounts/genesis, and the premade accounts would be restocked on a regular basis meaning more work in the long run.

I was thinking of just forking the test net. Although one of the devs would have to inject the looping code for us, or tell us how to do it.

P.S. Good thinking on the demo!

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but:

1. Demo account could be monitored and funded by test NXT (always keep 50,000 NXT in it), but it seems complicated, as all test nxt can be spent by one person.
2. What about demo of asset exchange, if demo will be on fork? In testnet, people can play with assets, which are already here, but forked or reset day by day blockchain will not have assets.

Ehhh, primary idea looked easy :)
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2014, 02:04:56 pm »


Why not to run Demo NRS on real testnet, why to complicate? Is there some problems to do this?
Also it would be good idea to include Freemarket and Supernet in Demo :)

P.S. It was my idea of live demo, just I can't do UI by myself :)

Problem is that if it is based on real test net, users would have to request test NXT on the forum as they do now which isn't very user friendly. You also don't have the option of the blockchain resetting, meaning the network would be tampered with very quickly by Nxt being sent to dark accounts/genesis, and the premade accounts would be restocked on a regular basis meaning more work in the long run.

I was thinking of just forking the test net. Although one of the devs would have to inject the looping code for us, or tell us how to do it.

P.S. Good thinking on the demo!

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but:

1. Demo account could be monitored and funded by test NXT (always keep 50,000 NXT in it), but it seems complicated, as all test nxt can be spent by one person.
2. What about demo of asset exchange, if demo will be on fork? In testnet, people can play with assets, which are already here, but forked or reset day by day blockchain will not have assets.

Ehhh, primary idea looked easy :)

You could create the Assets before the 24h rollback, so they are still there afterwards?

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2014, 04:58:58 pm »


Why not to run Demo NRS on real testnet, why to complicate? Is there some problems to do this?
Also it would be good idea to include Freemarket and Supernet in Demo :)

P.S. It was my idea of live demo, just I can't do UI by myself :)

Problem is that if it is based on real test net, users would have to request test NXT on the forum as they do now which isn't very user friendly. You also don't have the option of the blockchain resetting, meaning the network would be tampered with very quickly by Nxt being sent to dark accounts/genesis, and the premade accounts would be restocked on a regular basis meaning more work in the long run.

I was thinking of just forking the test net. Although one of the devs would have to inject the looping code for us, or tell us how to do it.

P.S. Good thinking on the demo!

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but:

1. Demo account could be monitored and funded by test NXT (always keep 50,000 NXT in it), but it seems complicated, as all test nxt can be spent by one person.
2. What about demo of asset exchange, if demo will be on fork? In testnet, people can play with assets, which are already here, but forked or reset day by day blockchain will not have assets.

Ehhh, primary idea looked easy :)

You could create the Assets before the 24h rollback, so they are still there afterwards?
Yes, Tosch is correct.

Regardless if on own blockchain or fork of the current test net I think the idea is the same. (I'll use fresh blockchain for the example):

1) Start blockchain at 0

A few users go in set up the 11 accounts needed
Fund 10 accounts with 50k, fund 1 with 10m
Create example assets, eg mgwBTC
Buy then sell the example assets in each of the accounts
Do the same for example products in the market place
Demo network is ready :)

2) Blockchain hits block 1440 (that gives the community 1 day to create the demo network)

New users play with it and do what ever they want

3) Blockchain hits block 11,520 (one week later) and automatically resets back to block 1440

Process just repeats on a automatic loop, no one needs to keep any of the accounts topped up or worry about anyone ruining the network for others, as come 1 week later it's back to block 1440.

 I added the bit about trading the assets in each of the accounts prior to 1440, so that those assets are just sitting there waiting to be played with (as the UI remembers them) meaning users won't have to enter any account numbers to get started. This way we could have a newcomer visit Nxt.org and within 10 seconds they could have made their first AE trade, which I believe is very powerful Nxt marketing!
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2014, 05:05:29 pm »


Why not to run Demo NRS on real testnet, why to complicate? Is there some problems to do this?
Also it would be good idea to include Freemarket and Supernet in Demo :)

P.S. It was my idea of live demo, just I can't do UI by myself :)

Problem is that if it is based on real test net, users would have to request test NXT on the forum as they do now which isn't very user friendly. You also don't have the option of the blockchain resetting, meaning the network would be tampered with very quickly by Nxt being sent to dark accounts/genesis, and the premade accounts would be restocked on a regular basis meaning more work in the long run.

I was thinking of just forking the test net. Although one of the devs would have to inject the looping code for us, or tell us how to do it.

P.S. Good thinking on the demo!

Hmmm, maybe you are right, but:

1. Demo account could be monitored and funded by test NXT (always keep 50,000 NXT in it), but it seems complicated, as all test nxt can be spent by one person.
2. What about demo of asset exchange, if demo will be on fork? In testnet, people can play with assets, which are already here, but forked or reset day by day blockchain will not have assets.

Ehhh, primary idea looked easy :)

You could create the Assets before the 24h rollback, so they are still there afterwards?
Yes, Tosch is correct.

Regardless if on own blockchain or fork of the current test net I think the idea is the same. (I'll use fresh blockchain for the example):

1) Start blockchain at 0

A few users go in set up the 11 accounts needed
Fund 10 accounts with 50k, fund 1 with 10m
Create example assets, eg mgwBTC
Buy then sell the example assets in each of the accounts
Do the same for example products in the market place
Demo network is ready :)

2) Blockchain hits block 1440 (that gives the community 1 day to create the demo network)

New users play with it and do what ever they want

3) Blockchain hits block 11,520 (one week later) and automatically resets back to block 1440

Process just repeats on a automatic loop, no one needs to keep any of the accounts topped up or worry about anyone ruining the network for others, as come 1 week later it's back to block 1440.

 I added the bit about trading the assets in each of the accounts prior to 1440, so that those assets are just sitting there waiting to be played with (as the UI remembers them) meaning users won't have to enter any account numbers to get started. This way we could have a newcomer visit Nxt.org and within 10 seconds they could have made their first AE trade, which I believe is very powerful Nxt marketing!

Now that's sound good :) Just who will do that? :)
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2014, 05:50:13 pm »

I'm thinking

1) I ask a senior dev to look at proposal implementation.
2) senior dev ensures it will actually work, suggest amendments to process and what the looping code is.
3) someone who knows NRS injects the new code and  compiles the new custom NRS
4) someone who has worked on the UI creates a sexy new custom login screen
5) new NRS with new UI is tested locally to ensure loops fine
6) some kind soul puts puts this custom version on a public node
7) community creates the demo accounts (copy of blockchain is saved just before loop start block)
8 ) community play with it
9) copy the NRS to Nxt.org (with previously saved blockchain), and put link on homepage.
10) promote our wonderful new demo to the world :)

One feature that I would like is for each of the demo accounts to have all the other demo accounts already saved in the contacts so users can test sending and receiving things however I think contacts are saved to browser cache not to db, so not possible without UI changes (which I don't want). Can anyone think of a work around?
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Re: Nxt.org - Gateway to Nxt (Access Account+Demo)
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2014, 11:09:37 pm »

Why do you want to make the login screen different? This is the only part I don't agree with. The purpose of the demo is not just to show off all our features, but to introduce new users to Nxt and teach them the basic concepts of how it works, before they try it with real money. One of the major stumbling blocks for newcomers is that they don't get the idea of brain wallet, and the fact that the password is all somebody needs in order to access an account. Whether the brain wallet was a good decision or not is a separate topic, but this is what we have now, and new users need to understand it. We also don't have read-only click-to-login feature yet, and don't have usernames at login, so let's not confuse newcomers with concepts they are not going to find in the real client.

I suggest creating and funding a number of test accounts using passwords like "test01", "test02", ... "test99". Then add instructions to the login screen, explaining that in Nxt all you need to access your account is the password, and that if they use a password like test01 - test99, they can access an existing test account that has been funded with test NXT for them to play with. Or, they could also test how the creation of new accounts works, but just like on the real network, such new accounts will be initially empty.

Then hopefully they will also realize why using a password like test123 is not a good idea, and will not make this mistake when they try Nxt for real.
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Re: Nxt.org - Gateway to Nxt (Access Account+Demo)
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2014, 11:22:13 pm »

Why do you want to make the login screen different? This is the only part I don't agree with. The purpose of the demo is not just to show off all our features, but to introduce new users to Nxt and teach them the basic concepts of how it works, before they try it with real money. One of the major stumbling blocks for newcomers is that they don't get the idea of brain wallet, and the fact that the password is all somebody needs in order to access an account. Whether the brain wallet was a good decision or not is a separate topic, but this is what we have now, and new users need to understand it. We also don't have read-only click-to-login feature yet, and don't have usernames at login, so let's not confuse newcomers with concepts they are not going to find in the real client.

I suggest creating and funding a number of test accounts using passwords like "test01", "test02", ... "test99". Then add instructions to the login screen, explaining that in Nxt all you need to access your account is the password, and that if they use a password like test01 - test99, they can access an existing test account that has been funded with test NXT for them to play with. Or, they could also test how the creation of new accounts works, but just like on the real network, such new accounts will be initially empty.

Then hopefully they will also realize why using a password like test123 is not a good idea, and will not make this mistake when they try Nxt for real.

I like that idea.
It's good for people to see how a weak pass actually works.
The first week, we'll probably see some craziness, but that's what test accounts are for, too: fooling around when you're bored :)

I agree that the UI needs to mirror the existing one as closely as possible. The idea is education. :)
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Re: Nxt.org - Gateway to Nxt (Access Account+Demo)
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2014, 11:35:37 pm »

I've been playing around with my TestNet VPS, trying to get it set up to have open API (and NRS UI) access, but it seems that the TestNet=true setting overides custom port settings.....take a look here:
https://nxtforum.org/public-nodes-vpss/running-a-public-node-please-consider-enabling-cors/msg129490/#msg129490

If I can get thru this issue, setting up the rest will be fairly trivial.
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