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Title: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 03, 2014, 09:32:56 pm
Hi people,

The thread for yay or nay on the new committee structure has run it's course and the vote shows 94,1% in favour of the plan outlined there.
For those who want to read the thread, go here: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/new-community-funding-committee/

We are now moving into the nomination procedure for this committee.

We are looking for the following posts:

Quote
Chair
Organiser and responsible for keeping the committee active and on the case.
Commercial member
Commercial member
These members have knowledge of markets and look for opportunities to open up Nxt use and adoption
Technical member
Technical member
These members have knowledge of the technical process/needs and look for opportunities to support this process.

Non-voting members:
2 x treasurer: also responsible for keeping and publishing accounts
Secretary: responsible for all internal and external communication

So 8 people in total.

I have proposed the following considerations when applying for these posts, based on my experience both as a member of a committee and professional experience in general.

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Candidates can ónly nominate themselves.
Candidates realise they are committing a significant amount of time to this committee
Candidates will make a post explaining why they want to take a position on the committee, and what their qualifications for this position are.

Members should be able to commit to be available and not disappear. You should be at least available 6 hours per week. You also need to be able to motivate yourself and not buckle under criticism, as you wíll get some at some point (if you are doing your job).

ANYONE can nominate themselves! The vote will decide afterwards, so feel completely free to put your name in.

Please also provide your background, relevant experience, vision etc. etc. The more we know about you, the better chance you will have and the better people know what to expect from you.

I know I have brought up the voting issue when having a conflict of interest, but I also realise that this may well hamstring the committee before even starting, because we ALL have conflicts of interest. I propose to make this more of a guideline and up to the committee to decide. It's not up to me, anyway ;)
Our community is simply too small at this point to make this a breaking issue, I think.

So, please put down your:

1. Nomination for a post. Specify the post.
2. Tell us whý you would like to be on the committee
3. Tell us why people should choose you. What will you bring to the committee that's unique?
4. Tell us something about yourself.
5. Anything else.

These points have overlap, so don't worry too much about 1-5. The main point is to be able to see who you are, what you want and what your qualifications are.

Also, let's keep this civil, shall we? :)

Looking forward to your nominations!

PS: because the last thread was less than visible according to people, I will "announce" this topic via the forum.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: fumanchu808 on December 04, 2014, 12:57:11 am
I'm very curious as to whom we might consider for *Chair* as that will be a highly critical position and should, at best, be someone prepared to hit the convention circuit to speak on NXT's behalf. In other words, public speaking skills a must!

That said, I would likely make for an interesting *Commercial Member* if better options do not make themselves available for the slot.

I stay very abreast to the overall market as a matter of professional need (it's simply a must to be a journalist in this fast moving space) and I have some ideas as to how we might drive adoption in the immediate future. As operator of Hawaii's only Bitcoin ATM I know first hand what having an actual physical point of sale system for your currency can do. With proper funding I could populate entire regions with an advanced POS system that had NXT right at the top (along with a myriad of other options of course). Ideally running through the SuperNET GUI, bringing the entire SuperNET idea full circle in a way. However, even barring that level of integration I already have an entire use case mapped out for exactly how to do it from scratch.

Those that have interacted with me thus far should be able to attest to my integrity and dogged nature. I am both professional and stalwart by nature. Even when disagreeing strongly you'll find that I will at least hear you out and fairly consider your position (even if I am eventually forced to go another way in order to meet project goals). I am emotionally impervious to the usual criticism and flak being in a leadership position creates. Also, as operating manager of the now forming SNN News Network I will be uniquely positioned to drive adoption and spread information in regards to any and all of the committees developments.

That said, I will gladly support any other members who may be more qualified than I for the slot. However, if no better options should present themselves I will gladly take up the reigns on behalf of the community as I believe it is in everyone's best interest to achieve the CFC's goals.

Edit: Just for clarity here is my LinkedIn Profile -  www.linkedin.com/in/edwarddeleonhickman
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 04, 2014, 01:24:43 am
Alright, I made a nomination post for the CFC on the other thread, but I'll make a more elaborate one here.

1. (Nomination Position) So I'd like to once again nominate myself for the position of Technical member of the Community Funds Committee.

2. (Why I want to be on CFC) I have been watching nxt since a couple weeks after the start, and I've watched many very cool projects start around this ecosystem of nxt. There is a lot of potential for great things to be accomplished on this platform and I hope to see that happen. By having me on this committee, I will be able to use my knowledge of nxt projects to help our platform be used in the best ways. Also I would be able to get to know the statuses of all of these projects personally, which I find cool.

3. (Why I should be chosen) I feel I would help out this committee because I have a knowledge of this community and have gotten to know a good portion of the active people and projects in it. I have created projects with nxt in the past, and continue to do so, so I have an extensive knowledge about what it takes to get something done with nxt and what steps to take in order to best help the ecosystem around nxt with these funds. I also represent the younger age group well, and can help to give the opinion of what the next generation will be looking for in a crypto platform and how to market and create features to match that growing interest. Also I would be able to give the required amount of time to the committee, and I am able to respond to any type of message in less than 12 hours usually.

4. (A little bit about myself) As I am pretty much no longer anon due to the fact that my identity is a few clever google searches away as well as that I plan to attend conferences related to crypto in my area, I can go into some detail about me. My official name is Alex Jones and I have been writing code for around 4 years now, starting at the age of 13 (do the math if you really want to  ;D ). I started out in gamedev, then transitioned into web programming before discovering that I can write code that can do cool things with real money (how cool is that). I learnt about bitcoin almost two years ago and have been following and learning about blockchains and decentralization ever since then. I run and write code for the website http://jnxt.org which hosts an array of nxt related projects that I have thought would be cool to make. I am currently working towards the Jay framework, a system that allows for an nxt wallet to be used securely from the browser and is build almost completely from plugins that are stored on the nxt network itself. Other than that I really like nxt, the platform and community make it so easy for a person such as myself to just begin making stuff and get good feedback and support from a variety of sources, other places are not nearly that friendly to outsiders.

5. (Anything else) I've covered pretty much everything I can think of, if you made it all the way to here, thanks for reading (:
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 04, 2014, 01:40:27 am
I'm very curious as to whom we might consider for *Chair* as that will be a highly critical position and should, at best, be someone prepared to hit the convention circuit to speak on NXT's behalf. In other words, public speaking skills a must!

**snipped**

No. This is not a public role. The CFC, like the 3 committees it is intended to replace, is not a leadership structure.
On the other hand, anyone who has PS skills and wants to use them on NXTs behalf......feel free !


EDIT: IMHO: the chair of the CFC will need mostly the ability to organise and motivate, as well as a very powerful ability to say 'no'.

Don't forget that these funds are in popular demand with everyone who wants funding (which is almost everyone), and yet also have to be conserved in order to ensure that we can pay devs for a while longer.........
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: fumanchu808 on December 04, 2014, 04:41:32 am
I'm very curious as to whom we might consider for *Chair* as that will be a highly critical position and should, at best, be someone prepared to hit the convention circuit to speak on NXT's behalf. In other words, public speaking skills a must!

**snipped**

No. This is not a public role. The CFC, like the 3 committees it is intended to replace, is not a leadership structure.
On the other hand, anyone who has PS skills and wants to use them on NXTs behalf......feel free !


EDIT: IMHO: the chair of the CFC will need mostly the ability to organise and motivate, as well as a very powerful ability to say 'no'.

Don't forget that these funds are in popular demand with everyone who wants funding (which is almost everyone), and yet also have to be conserved in order to ensure that we can pay devs for a while longer.........

If I understand it correctly it's a representative position correct? That is to say, we are voting to have this person look after the interests and the mandate set forth by the CFC at it's outset, yes?

That may not be a traditional leadership position but it's still a leadership role and will be perceived as such by outsiders. For example, a journalist would see someone who is "Chair of the CFC" and think that is a good person to talk to, by default. So having the Chair be someone who is personable and effective at communicating with people both inside and outside the community seems a smart move.

NXT could use for a good public *champion*, either way. Someone with enough charisma and force of personality to make people take notice. It doesn't need to be anyone holding any position in particular but having them voted in somehow would lend the person more "weight", as it were. Perhaps that could be something vote on at a later date though.

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on December 04, 2014, 07:03:45 am
4. (A little bit about myself) As I am pretty much no longer anon due to the fact that my identity is a few clever google searches away as well as that I plan to attend conferences related to crypto in my area, I can go into some detail about me. My official name is Alex Jones and I have been writing code for around 4 years now

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Alex_Jones_thumbs_up.jpg/441px-Alex_Jones_thumbs_up.jpg)

You have my vote!
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 04, 2014, 05:53:47 pm
Stickied thread :)

Thanks for the first applications!

Don't be shy now!
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 04, 2014, 07:52:13 pm
Stickied thread :)

Thanks for the first applications!

Don't be shy now!

whoa, barely noticed it up here, usually just overlook the top stickies. Lookin forward to more nominations :)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 05, 2014, 10:15:10 pm
Stickied thread :)

Thanks for the first applications!

Don't be shy now!

whoa, barely noticed it up here, usually just overlook the top stickies. Lookin forward to more nominations :)

Strangely enough, stickies aren't seen. Unsticking this, as it needs to be seen...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: fumanchu808 on December 06, 2014, 02:16:56 am
Stickied thread :)

Thanks for the first applications!

Don't be shy now!

whoa, barely noticed it up here, usually just overlook the top stickies. Lookin forward to more nominations :)

Strangely enough, stickies aren't seen. Unsticking this, as it needs to be seen...

Years of ignoring Googles first few ad links to get to the natural search is a hard habit to break I suppose.

*bump*
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 08, 2014, 11:33:04 am
1. I'm applying for the treasurer post.
2. I'm an active member of this community and intend to keep it that way.
3. I am already one of the treasurers. Not sure I'll bring anyting unique, but the work will be done, on time, clear and cut. As always.
4. I'm a businessman and investor. I am currently working on several projects linked to cryptos in general or Nxt in particular. My latest release : http://cfa-consulting.ch/dlfiles/Crypto_Guide_For_Investors_EN.pdf
5. I'm trustworthy and I think I proved it in the past...

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on December 09, 2014, 10:34:14 pm
Being the NRS Project Manager, I apply for "Technical member" as this position would enable me to do better and informed decisions about the compensation of our devs.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Johnson on December 10, 2014, 12:08:28 am
Stickied thread :)

Thanks for the first applications!

Don't be shy now!

whoa, barely noticed it up here, usually just overlook the top stickies. Lookin forward to more nominations :)

Strangely enough, stickies aren't seen. Unsticking this, as it needs to be seen...

Think is good idea to unstick everything. I never check those yet they always stand on top. It's also unfair competition. Winner on top, loser out. Would also be much cleaner and uncluttered.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 10, 2014, 01:08:52 am
Think is good idea to unstick everything. I never check those yet they always stand on top. It's also unfair competition. Winner on top, loser out. Would also be much cleaner and uncluttered.
Unfair competition? :D
This is not about competition. Stickies are used to inform people of important information, not necessarily often updated, that would sink to the far end of the forum history otherwise.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 10, 2014, 07:15:24 pm
After giving it much thought, we at CFA Consulting decided to apply, as a company and not as DoM P, for the position of commercial analyst.
We feel we have the skills to do this job well, and our line of work being exactly this, we think we could help the committee a lot.
Furthermore, since CFA Consulting was initially partially financed by such a fund, we think we own the Nxt community to actively participate in this.

So, what's behind CFA Consulting for this post ?
- An IT expert knowing well the world of cryptos
- A financial expert (master degree in finance) capable of analyzing business plans
- An economic expert (master of economics) capable of analyzing the market conditions

We hope to help Nxt the best we can.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 17, 2014, 02:32:53 pm
So, thread up for 14 days and we have 3 nominations.

Even though I tend to be a very optimistic person, I would like to chalk this one up as a dysmal failure.

So, we are stuck with three committees who are dormant (bar a few active members who I *know* have been working their proverbial asses off to get things done), about 6 million Nxt that is not being made active and no truly democratic way out of this.

OK, it is as it is, as they say.

Most people wánt change, but it seems no-one wants/can/feels compelled to step up and take the responsibility.

I am tempted to go along with the proposal that Berzerk made a while back to fund the Org and Foundation, but: it's not up to me.
It's up to you guys to counterpropose now.

We've put work into this, but apparently the plan doesn't resonate enough to have any support.

So: where do we go from here? I refuse to believe we want those funds nót to go to useful stuff...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 17, 2014, 04:02:48 pm
Seems that the problem was that most of the Nxt activists are already either part of Nxt Foundation or Nxt Org or heavily involved in other projects.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ThomasVeil on December 17, 2014, 04:23:30 pm
Maybe I can point out why I didn't apply, though I'm eager to help with NXT projects:
- six hours each week sounds like a huge commitment. Especially if you have to earn money otherwise...
- ...and are already working on some NXT projects... which I already tend to run late on.
- Those other projects may create conflicts of interest.
- I don't consider myself a technical or financial/market expert by any imagination.

For most people one or more of those will be true - especially if they actually have the experience you're looking for.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: rudeboi on December 17, 2014, 06:19:37 pm
Maybe a portion of the funding should go to the active groups, for example a Q1 2015 amount distributed to both groups, this amount is voted openly on the forum.

The community sees how well the money was spent, and this can gauge how much to give for next quarter, again another vote.

Anyone who has expressed an interest in being involved in the CFC, should probably join either the current Organization or Foundation. Both bodies are probably in desperate need of new blood, ideally any group should be large enough to have sub groups working on different projects or areas of expertise.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 17, 2014, 06:53:55 pm
My thoughts on this is already expressed in that other thread, but let me rephrase it:


At this point we really do not have any choice if we want Nxt to grow. Either hand the funds to those who people who actually work on promoting and improving Nxt, or let it go to waste. These funds will only continue to decrease in value, down like 80% from it's peak already, which will continue to make them more and more irrelevant.

Nxt Foundation and Nxt Organization consist of the most active Nxt activists and any new person who is interested in joining either group will obviously have that oppourtunity. So why not release it to both these groups and make something happen? Worst case scenario neither group manage to make a big impact, but that is already inevitable if the funds is not handed to people who do actual work. Cautiously optimistic scenario: the funds actually put some wind in our sails again which starts a domino effect.


The only thing that is certain is that people wont work without compensation (nor should they) and without work Nxt wont grow.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: gs02xzz on December 17, 2014, 07:16:05 pm
I am tempted to go along with the proposal that Berzerk made a while back to fund the Org and Foundation, but: it's not up to me.
It's up to you guys to counterpropose now.

It seems that this is a good option now. What we need is the responsible and proactive stewards like NxtOrg and NxtFound to manage and spend those funds for the growth of Nxt and these two groups are the best so far.

All I can suggest is that future stewards set it as the highest priority to make a budget plan to pay the core devs in the long run, to make the spending transparent and predictive (having plans), and to allow the Nxt/forum users to debate on large spending.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on December 17, 2014, 08:00:59 pm
So, thread up for 14 days and we have 3 nominations.

Even though I tend to be a very optimistic person, I would like to chalk this one up as a dysmal failure.

So, we are stuck with three committees who are dormant (bar a few active members who I *know* have been working their proverbial asses off to get things done), about 6 million Nxt that is not being made active and no truly democratic way out of this.

OK, it is as it is, as they say.

Most people wánt change, but it seems no-one wants/can/feels compelled to step up and take the responsibility.

I am tempted to go along with the proposal that Berzerk made a while back to fund the Org and Foundation, but: it's not up to me.
It's up to you guys to counterpropose now.

We've put work into this, but apparently the plan doesn't resonate enough to have any support.

So: where do we go from here? I refuse to believe we want those funds nót to go to useful stuff...

I say 8 people are too much.

What is missing so far?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on December 17, 2014, 08:32:33 pm

I have been doing quite some work on the committee and I would be willing to continue to do so,
but I am not sure if I can make a 100% committment on time beyond a certain minimum per week...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: domsch on December 17, 2014, 10:17:35 pm
I vote for a split of 50/50 between the Nxt Foundation and Nxt Organization. Both have put in great effort into the development and growth of Nxt and with additional funds they can definitely do more than the committees can do right now.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 17, 2014, 11:05:54 pm
Hmmmm.......I have an idea, it's a fairly quick and dirty solution, but lets see what you lot think:

The Community funds should be in use, to some extent, but never forget that we have devs to pay. That is priority #1, no arguments possible. Even in its current state, with NXT at a very annoying low.....it's still a big chunk of cash that can guarantee dev salaries for another year.  But it would be good to be able to spend a little bit on marketing or other projects.......
I do not want to split the funds between Nxt Foundation and Nxt Org: neither group is representative of the complete NXT community.
(and Nxt Foundation is full of dodgy bastards, tbh  ;D )

So, we currently have 4 volunteers for the CFC:

FuManchu88   Commercial #1
jones             Technical #1
Dom P            Treasurer #1
ChuckOne       Technical #2

So we need 4 more:
Treasurer #2 , Commercial #2, Chairman and a Secretary........

I'm willing to be Chairman Dave, in the sense of organising and shouting a bit, but that's it. You want leadership, look elsewhere.
As far as I remember, neer.g and Pouncer are the Marketing and TechDev treasurers. Maybe one or both will be happy to continue to hold and disburse the community funds? Treasurer #2/3
Cassius would make a good Secretary, and Damelon a good Commercial #2.

I know it is very cheeky of me to propose these guys for the CFC, but we do need to get a working structure together for the Community Funds sooner rather than later.

Objections ? Lets hear them......

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 17, 2014, 11:15:50 pm
Hmmmm.......I have an idea, it's a fairly quick and dirty solution, but lets see what you lot think:

The Community funds should be in use, to some extent, but never forget that we have devs to pay. That is priority #1, no arguments possible. Even in its current state, with NXT at a very annoying low.....it's still a big chunk of cash that can guarantee dev salaries for another year.  But it would be good to be able to spend a little bit on marketing or other projects.......
I do not want to split the funds between Nxt Foundation and Nxt Org: neither group is representative of the complete NXT community.
(and Nxt Foundation is full of dodgy bastards, tbh  ;D )

So, we currently have 4 volunteers for the CFC:

FuManchu88   Commercial #1
jones             Technical #1
Dom P            Treasurer #1
ChuckOne       Technical #2

So we need 4 more:
Treasurer #2 , Commercial #2, Chairman and a Secretary........

I'm willing to be Chairman Dave, in the sense of organising and shouting a bit, but that's it. You want leadership, look elsewhere.
As far as I remember, neer.g and Pouncer are the Marketing and TechDev treasurers. Maybe one or both will be happy to continue to hold and disburse the community funds? Treasurer #2/3
Cassius would make a good Secretary, and Damelon a good Commercial #2.

I know it is very cheeky of me to propose these guys for the CFC, but we do need to get a working structure together for the Community Funds sooner rather than later.

Objections ? Lets hear them......
why not just use the funds for the NXT core devs?
That will create lasting value that benefits all of NXT

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 17, 2014, 11:27:00 pm
I'd like to see at least 50% of the CF safely locked away to cover dev salaries for the next few months, with a smaller amount to be used on marketing and general expenses.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 17, 2014, 11:32:49 pm
So, we currently have 4 volunteers for the CFC:

FuManchu88   Commercial #1
jones             Technical #1
Dom P            Treasurer #1
ChuckOne       Technical #2

So we need 4 more:
Treasurer #2 , Commercial #2, Chairman and a Secretary........
I think you missed the offer I made on behalf of CFA Consulting, for Treasurer.
Not that I want to be so, but it's an open offer for votes is several people are up to the task.

why not just use the funds for the NXT core devs?
That will create lasting value that benefits all of NXT

All the funds?
I have to say that development is about 20-30% of a product.
Marketing, communication, organization, etc. make up for the rest.

There have been so many great products that went to waste in history because they were just not sold...
Let's not do that with Nxt and save a bit for that part too.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Pouncer on December 17, 2014, 11:42:20 pm
If there is not enough treasurers, I'll be happy to continue.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 17, 2014, 11:43:45 pm

So, we currently have 4 volunteers for the CFC:

FuManchu88   Commercial #1
jones             Technical #1
Dom P            Treasurer #1
ChuckOne       Technical #2

So we need 4 more:
Treasurer #2 , Commercial #2, Chairman and a Secretary........

I'm willing to be Chairman Dave, in the sense of organising and shouting a bit, but that's it. You want leadership, look elsewhere.
As far as I remember, neer.g and Pouncer are the Marketing and TechDev treasurers. Maybe one or both will be happy to continue to hold and disburse the community funds? Treasurer #2/3
Cassius would make a good Secretary, and Damelon a good Commercial #2.

I know it is very cheeky of me to propose these guys for the CFC, but we do need to get a working structure together for the Community Funds sooner rather than later.



Perhaps a one or two of the NxtOrg guys will volunteer as well. And maybe jl777 would reconsider the withdrawal of his nomination. They are all good candiates but it would certainly better to have some voting. Could also consider reducing the number of members as Chuck suggested.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 17, 2014, 11:49:24 pm
So, we currently have 4 volunteers for the CFC:

FuManchu88   Commercial #1
jones             Technical #1
Dom P            Treasurer #1
ChuckOne       Technical #2

So we need 4 more:
Treasurer #2 , Commercial #2, Chairman and a Secretary........
I think you missed the offer I made on behalf of CFA Consulting, for Treasurer.
Not that I want to be so, but it's an open offer for votes is several people are up to the task.

why not just use the funds for the NXT core devs?
That will create lasting value that benefits all of NXT

All the funds?
I have to say that development is about 20-30% of a product.
Marketing, communication, organization, etc. make up for the rest.

There have been so many great products that went to waste in history because they were just not sold...
Let's not do that with Nxt and save a bit for that part too.
But isnt NXT a platform?
NXT itself is not a product, or did I miss the change from open source platform to being a product?

So, assuming that it is a platform, then funds for it should be spent to develop the platform. The projects built on this platform would then have a more product oriented approach and different projects can allocate 1% to 100% on tech as they see fit.

So, if NXT is a platform like the internet is a platform, then what good is having the IP protocol running marketing campaigns? The products built on NXT should be running the campaigns.

Since I was disqualified from this committee due to my involvement in the various NXT oriented projects making it impossible for me to not have some relation to anything funded in NXT. Now these new organizations are fine, I have nothing against them, but there are some in these organizations that are using newbie handles. So how are others to know what other projects they are associated with? Especially if there are projects which also have newbie handles associated with them.

If it is a problem that I might influence my decisions based on personal financial interests, then that standard should be applied to all. But this creates some unsolvable issues...

Hence I strongly suggest 100% to NXT core devs and you can make whatever committees to manage what devs get what. Or maybe CfB's idea of sending to genesis wasnt so bad after all. The last thing I wanted when I rescued these funds from being burned was it to become a source of contention.

Some might argue the wisdom of 100% to NXT core devs, but I think we can all agree that this is a pure solution. It wont make everybody happy, but nothing will. And at least we will get more tech for the projects that build on the NXT platform

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 17, 2014, 11:52:25 pm

So, we currently have 4 volunteers for the CFC:

FuManchu88   Commercial #1
jones             Technical #1
Dom P            Treasurer #1
ChuckOne       Technical #2

So we need 4 more:
Treasurer #2 , Commercial #2, Chairman and a Secretary........

I'm willing to be Chairman Dave, in the sense of organising and shouting a bit, but that's it. You want leadership, look elsewhere.
As far as I remember, neer.g and Pouncer are the Marketing and TechDev treasurers. Maybe one or both will be happy to continue to hold and disburse the community funds? Treasurer #2/3
Cassius would make a good Secretary, and Damelon a good Commercial #2.

I know it is very cheeky of me to propose these guys for the CFC, but we do need to get a working structure together for the Community Funds sooner rather than later.



Perhaps a one or two of the NxtOrg guys will volunteer as well. And maybe jl777 would reconsider the withdrawal of his nomination. They are all good candiates but it would certainly better to have some voting. Could also consider reducing the number of members as Chuck suggested.
A rule was made that disqualified me, cuz I am sure to bias my decisions for my personal gain, unlike the others that are using newbie accounts and are proposing to just be given millions of community funds to do with as they see fit. And we can be sure they are not like me and will never let their financial interests affect their decisions,not that we can even tell since newbie accounts are being used for many things

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 17, 2014, 11:54:25 pm

A rule was made that disqualified me, cuz I am sure to bias my decisions for my personal gain, unlike the others that are using newbie accounts and are proposing to just be given millions of community funds to do with as they see fit. And we can be sure they are not like me and will never let their financial interests affect their decisions,not that we can even tell since newbie accounts are being used for many things

James

That rule was later retracted on the basis that everyone has some interest in various Nxt projects.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 17, 2014, 11:55:44 pm
Lets just pay for some seconds at a SuperBowl ad, that will be great marketing for a technical platform
Might as well just buy chocolates and give it to the poor starving children in Africa

The AE changes everything and now with MS, even more ways to raise funds. Worthy projects have no problems in raising funds and said funds can be used to market, etc.

NXT is a platform. platforms dont need retail advertising

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 17, 2014, 11:56:39 pm

A rule was made that disqualified me, cuz I am sure to bias my decisions for my personal gain, unlike the others that are using newbie accounts and are proposing to just be given millions of community funds to do with as they see fit. And we can be sure they are not like me and will never let their financial interests affect their decisions,not that we can even tell since newbie accounts are being used for many things

James

That rule was later retracted on the basis that everyone has some interest in various Nxt projects.
I was never notified. been a bit busy recently
Then I reinstate my candidateship and I advocate 100% to NXT core devs and 0% to SuperBowl ads or chocolates

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 17, 2014, 11:57:52 pm
This was where the conflict of interest idea was readdressed (from OP).

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I know I have brought up the voting issue when having a conflict of interest, but I also realise that this may well hamstring the committee before even starting, because we ALL have conflicts of interest. I propose to make this more of a guideline and up to the committee to decide. It's not up to me, anyway ;)
Our community is simply too small at this point to make this a breaking issue, I think.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 18, 2014, 12:06:23 am
And Nxt is certainly more than an open source platform. It has a marketcap, it's used as a currency. If Ethereum or BTC or Bitshares or Counterparty spend money on marketing, and Nxt doesn't, Nxt will be at a disadvantage. There's no point spending all the money on the technology and then find out that everyone is using something else.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 12:11:56 am
And Nxt is certainly more than an open source platform. It has a marketcap, it's used as a currency. If Ethereum or BTC or Bitshares or Counterparty spend money on marketing, and Nxt doesn't, Nxt will be at a disadvantage. There's no point spending all the money on the technology and then find out that everyone is using something else.
consider me the counterbalance to the marketing extremists that want to spend 10% on tech and 90% on marketing
it is a committee, does that mean we all need to have the exact same views on things?

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 18, 2014, 12:16:16 am
And Nxt is certainly more than an open source platform. It has a marketcap, it's used as a currency. If Ethereum or BTC or Bitshares or Counterparty spend money on marketing, and Nxt doesn't, Nxt will be at a disadvantage. There's no point spending all the money on the technology and then find out that everyone is using something else.
Yep.
Look at Limux for example.
Great tech.

How many desktop running Linux? Next to nothing.
Microsoft has it all.

The only market share where Linux wins is in the web servers segment, because it's so far better on the most common needs.

Tech is great. If not marketed, it's just not used.

James: Heard of OSI? It was supposed to be the future of Networks. Then TCP/IP arrived. Not better, technically. Just sold better.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 18, 2014, 12:39:43 am
I'd be happy to either function as either Chair or Marketing/business member.

I stress business in this part, as I share James' distaste of "just placing ads".

What is needed, in my opinion, and I have hopefully proven to be able to do that is to introduce the developed tech to business partners that can make use of it, which leads to adoption.

I am a firm believer that direct marketing to end users will stretch us too thin and is not needed.

To take a well known example: Supernet. Supernet uses Nxt and has a very clear incentive to gain user base on its own. They have made a very succesful venture that gains Nxt as a whole many more users than any direct marketing out of Nxt ever could do.

SecureAE and smartcontract.com, same story. The owners of those businesses know that they need users and they do not turn to Nxt to get them for them.

To borrow the Intel Inside analogy: it's not Intel that goes after the customers, that's up to the people manifacturing the systems. Intel's main thrust is at those manufacturers, and that is because they know that if they give them an awesome component with excellent support, they will thrive because these companies thrive.

So, a large part of the funds in my view should go at this point to sustained development and making sure that development cán be sustained.
In second place comes making sure that the tech that is created can be used as easily as possible. That means in my view having a good team of support devs (first liners) that can work directly with anyone who wants to use Nxt.
Complementary to that is the tech writers who make excellent documentation that leads to a reduced work load for all levels of development.
On top of that, it would be great to have a dedicated troupe of business contacts who can actually talk the talk to their counterparts in businesses.
As a last cornerstone I would add "marketing" in the sense of outreach, by which targeted conferences, interviews, making sure to get the word out is added.

I won't put percentages to these separate points, as circumstances change and one needs to work with the times.

I ám however convinced that both Core ánd support devs are paramount as creators and disseminators of our technology, in combination with documentation.
PR should be mainly aimed at businesses that will benefit from our tech.
Lastly, the whole structure should also need to aim at becoming self-sustaining in the future, either by getting consulting fees or sponsorship or something like that. TBD.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 18, 2014, 12:49:14 am
Hello, boys.

Before this begins to get heated: I seem to remember being the guy who first objected to James on the CFC. I trust J a lot.....but his presence on the CFC could open us and him up to all kinds of accusations about conflicts of interest, as well as being a distraction from SuperNET.  ;)
Having said that, I'm not going to rule that J can't stand for the CFC, even if I think it's a bad idea.

I do agree with J in broad principle: setting all the money aside for core devs is a good idea, and will benefit every member of the community.
But we'll still need a Committee to administer the dev payments........

Some NXT should be allocated for unforeseen expenses, and some would be also useful for effective marketing.
60:20:20 split, (devs, expenses, marketing) sounds good to me.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 12:56:16 am
And Nxt is certainly more than an open source platform. It has a marketcap, it's used as a currency. If Ethereum or BTC or Bitshares or Counterparty spend money on marketing, and Nxt doesn't, Nxt will be at a disadvantage. There's no point spending all the money on the technology and then find out that everyone is using something else.
Yep.
Look at Limux for example.
Great tech.

How many desktop running Linux? Next to nothing.
Microsoft has it all.

The only market share where Linux wins is in the web servers segment, because it's so far better on the most common needs.

Tech is great. If not marketed, it's just not used.

James: Heard of OSI? It was supposed to be the future of Networks. Then TCP/IP arrived. Not better, technically. Just sold better.
OSI wasnt even a technology platform was it? It seemed more a way to make the platforms and TCP/IP is almost an instance that follows OSI, so not sure if it makes much sense to compare the two. TCP/IP violates the OSI guidelines though, cuz it makes it more practical.

Was there some working tech that used OSI? OSI is some committee created layering to allow for independent development of different layers, at least that is my understanding. But there is no OSInetwork. So how can you say that TCP/IP isnt better?

As far as microsoft windows. Really? You are comparing marketing NXT to marketing Windows? MSFT convinced IBM to adopt MS-DOS as the OS for the PC. This was a business deal that gave them an effective monopoly over the OS market with the giant network effect. How much did MSFT spend on marketing to get the DOS deal with IBM? Do you really equate the NXT position now as anything like MSFT situation with DOS?

I claim in these two examples, the solution that had the working tech won. TCP/IP won over OSI, cuz TCP/IP actually worked and had a real network. MSFT got the deal with IBM because they had the tech at the right time.

NXT needs to be presented to the decision makers about crypto platforms. These people are reachable at the right conferences, trade shows, or maybe directly via PM. Any serious decision maker will be studying the tech options available and choose the one that solves their problems the best.

So having better tech, better support engineers (a form of tech) and better tech documentation to help others integrate NXT. This is the things that will help, along with reference implementations of the standard things people will want to do. Again more tech.

James

P.S. NXT is a lot more like TCP/IP in that it isnt some grandiose abstract specification on how things should be done, but like TCP/IP it is a working example that people can build on.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 01:00:13 am
Hello, boys.

Before this begins to get heated: I seem to remember being the guy who first objected to James on the CFC. I trust J a lot.....but his presence on the CFC could open us and him up to all kinds of accusations about conflicts of interest, as well as being a distraction from SuperNET.  ;)
Having said that, I'm not going to rule that J can't stand for the CFC, even if I think it's a bad idea.

I do agree with J in broad principle: setting all the money aside for core devs is a good idea, and will benefit every member of the community.
But we'll still need a Committee to administer the dev payments........

Some NXT should be allocated for unforeseen expenses, and some would be also useful for effective marketing.
60:20:20 split, (devs, expenses, marketing) sounds good to me.
I only resubmitted as I saw that some private groups are asking for just being granted the NXT and this does not seem right at all. So as long as we arent going to just give the funds to private organizations, then I dont need to be in the committee. In fact if people are considering giving funds to some private groups, why not just grant it to me? I have been known to achieve some good results.

James

P.S. We certainly cant do anything that will give anybody a reason to FUD against NXT. After all nobody has done that to NXT yet and we certainly cant survive if people start making the FUD against us.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 18, 2014, 01:01:08 am
So to sum up, make sure everyone is on the same page:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g/pouncer (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Also speculated that the funds should go to:
1. 50/50 to the already founded committees (NXT ORG/Foundation)
2. all to devs
3. some to devs
4. superbowl ad/something with chocolate
5. send to genesis (destroy)

My favorite idea:
1. Committee is formed somehow
2. Committee uses funds to start up internal (NRS) and external (apps) within the nxt framework
3. Committee monitors these projects and makes sure the funds are used well by these groups
4. Projects that were funded then do their own marketing for their own product
5. Nxt is used as the center, so when that project succeeds, nxt succeeds

To sum up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
Title: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 18, 2014, 01:10:37 am
NXT needs to be presented to the decision makers about crypto platforms. These people are reachable at the right conferences, trade shows, or maybe directly via PM. Any serious decision maker will be studying the tech options available and choose the one that solves their problems the best.

So having better tech, better support engineers (a form of tech) and better tech documentation to help others integrate NXT. This is the things that will help, along with reference implementations of the standard things people will want to do. Again more tech.

James

This aligns completely with how I think what Nxt is and how it should present itself in the world.

In fact, we both made the exactly the same list ;)

Edit: I will state here that unless someone injects me secretly with a significant amount of forbidden substances, I will not behave like Ballmer.



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Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 18, 2014, 01:13:27 am

I only resubmitted as I saw that some private groups are asking for just being granted the NXT and this does not seem right at all. So as long as we arent going to just give the funds to private organizations, then I dont need to be in the committee. In fact if people are considering giving funds to some private groups, why not just grant it to me? I have been known to achieve some good results.

James

P.S. We certainly cant do anything that will give anybody a reason to FUD against NXT. After all nobody has done that to NXT yet and we certainly cant survive if people start making the FUD against us.

Yeah, the nasty FUDs make me cry..... ;D

And double yeah: no direct share in the CF to Nxt Foundation or Nxt Organisation. They can apply for funds like any one else.....as can you, J.  :D

+1440 on this from James and Damelon, btw.
NXT needs to be presented to the decision makers about crypto platforms. These people are reachable at the right conferences, trade shows, or maybe directly via PM. Any serious decision maker will be studying the tech options available and choose the one that solves their problems the best.

So having better tech, better support engineers (a form of tech) and better tech documentation to help others integrate NXT. This is the things that will help, along with reference implementations of the standard things people will want to do. Again more tech.

James
This is the approach that will pay off over the long term.

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 01:20:04 am
NXT needs to be presented to the decision makers about crypto platforms. These people are reachable at the right conferences, trade shows, or maybe directly via PM. Any serious decision maker will be studying the tech options available and choose the one that solves their problems the best.

So having better tech, better support engineers (a form of tech) and better tech documentation to help others integrate NXT. This is the things that will help, along with reference implementations of the standard things people will want to do. Again more tech.

James

This aligns completely with how I think what Nxt is and how it should present itself in the world.

In fact, we both made the exactly the same list ;)

Edit: I will state here that unless someone injects me secretly with a significant amount of forbidden substances, I will not behave like Ballmer.



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You got me. I cheated and just used your list, cuz it made a lot of sense

There is a big gap between what the core does and useful reference applications.
Let us think like a chip developer. Clearly the actual silicon chip is needed. However, a chip without the application notes (a specific use case that actually does something useful) is usually not adopted much. Also having up to date tech docs helps, but the most helpful are the application notes that go as far as provide a circuit diagram (and machine readable so you can just send it off to be manufacturered), along with required firmware, etc.

The companies still need to worry about stuff like what type of box to put it in, how much to skimp on the power supply, the color of the case, cooling fans, and marketing. But they can take a black box ready to go and customize it (or not)

This is why MS is so cool. It is just a small step away from those websites that say "send us 1 BTC and we will make a coin for you". With MS, we can just put that page on nxt.org and say, fill in this form and fund the acct with NXT and presto! you have a new coin customized for you.

So by NXT devs, I include the peoples that are making such things, not just the inner guts deep core guys, but without the inner guts deep core guys, there wont be any reference applications to make

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: fumanchu808 on December 18, 2014, 03:29:07 am
Quick question regarding time frame. How soon was everyone hoping to get this new rendition of CFC up and running?

I have some extremely exciting developments in my own adventures as an entrepreneur that may dove tail nicely with an active CFC that can steer development towards opportunities as they emerge.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 18, 2014, 06:33:57 am

OSI wasnt even a technology platform was it? It seemed more a way to make the platforms and TCP/IP is almost an instance that follows OSI, so not sure if it makes much sense to compare the two. TCP/IP violates the OSI guidelines though, cuz it makes it more practical.

Was there some working tech that used OSI? OSI is some committee created layering to allow for independent development of different layers, at least that is my understanding. But there is no OSInetwork. So how can you say that TCP/IP isnt better?
Well, at the start, neither had nothing actually done. OSI was supposed to be the network platform, and just never saw TPC/IP coming. I am not sure of exactly when TCP/IP won the battle, but as I understand it, neither system had a finished workable solution. It feels like when OSI spent time defining rules, TCP/IP started working in the real world. Both systems had devs, but TCP/IP had more real world applications.

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As far as microsoft windows. Really? You are comparing marketing NXT to marketing Windows? MSFT convinced IBM to adopt MS-DOS as the OS for the PC. This was a business deal that gave them an effective monopoly over the OS market with the giant network effect. How much did MSFT spend on marketing to get the DOS deal with IBM? Do you really equate the NXT position now as anything like MSFT situation with DOS?
MS DOS won for the reason you said (which IS marketing, BTW), but that's not all.
Windows won over other potentially technically better systems. OS2, IOS, Novell, etc.
On the software segment, MS sold MSWord which beat Wordperfect which imo was way better in 1995, MS sold MSExcel to beat Lotus, Access to beat DBase, and later IE to beat Netscape.
This all happened because of marketing.

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I claim in these two examples, the solution that had the working tech won. TCP/IP won over OSI, cuz TCP/IP actually worked and had a real network. MSFT got the deal with IBM because they had the tech at the right time.

The right time is essential, indeed. But the right time is a combination of market state and market presentation.
I think, for example, that it can be the right time for cyptos because fiat is failing all around the world (market state) AND because we are selling it to companies and their (potential) customers. Both are needed to actually end up in a workable AND used tech.
Technology for smartphones was available years before the first Iphone.
But Jobs made the market appears.

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NXT needs to be presented to the decision makers about crypto platforms. These people are reachable at the right conferences, trade shows, or maybe directly via PM. Any serious decision maker will be studying the tech options available and choose the one that solves their problems the best.

So having better tech, better support engineers (a form of tech) and better tech documentation to help others integrate NXT. This is the things that will help, along with reference implementations of the standard things people will want to do. Again more tech.

I don't think we disagree much.
Damelon's list fits mine perfectly.

So to sum up, make sure everyone is on the same page:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (TRES)
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. Dom P (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g/pouncer (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on December 18, 2014, 07:49:59 am
as EvilDave mentioned earlier: keeping the gloves on the Devs fists is number one priority   IMO
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on December 18, 2014, 09:19:30 am
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 18, 2014, 09:37:47 am
There's no way jl777 should be excluded. Maybe the SuperNET projects make up a large portion of Nxt projects right now, but that shouldn't necessarily be true going forward. Plus Damelon is on Nxt foundation, maybe they'll be wanting funds. If a Nxt Org member volunteers, they might be wanting funds. Just 1 person out of a committee of 5. Allow the nomination, express concerns and let the voters decide.

Looks like we have enough people now to have a vote anyway, so let's go ahead with this.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:52:10 am
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 18, 2014, 09:53:02 am
As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based?

Members of what? the committee?
Never heard of that...
It would be a conflict of interest.

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Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.
For the vote to happen, we need more people to step in and accept to do the work.
I would be glad to see you in.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on December 18, 2014, 09:53:52 am
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

But if anyone can simply self-nominate and only 8 people did so (so there is no choice), then its also a private group. Isn't it?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on December 18, 2014, 09:59:55 am
As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based?

Members of what? the committee?
Never heard of that...
It would be a conflict of interest.


Yes the committee. I think it was said in this thread: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/new-community-funding-committee/ as EvilDave took a reply to it, possible it was changed afterwards in the OP as it was not a good decision. (dunno)
Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.
For the vote to happen, we need more people to step in and accept to do the work.
I would be glad to see you in.


As I said. I don't believe that "normal" (with a job, family etc.) people can fully dedicate their time on several projects. For example I can only concentrate on one group (NxtOrg) with a good conscience that I will give my all for it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 18, 2014, 02:30:56 pm
As for payment of the members was concerned, I believe someone proposed that while they would not be paid directly, they have the potential to receive donations from the community when they do a good job and get things done.
I'm fine with this option, plus if we already have an nxt stake, if the committee does the job correctly, they will make a profit with the raise in price.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: MrV777 on December 18, 2014, 02:43:24 pm
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)

I just want to through my 2NXT in.
I appreciate what you are trying to do Berzerk and think you are doing a good job with your group and I think you have good communication/transparency.  I feel like I haven't heard as much from the other group though and would like to.
I understand some people are for NxtOrg and NxtFoundation getting some of the funds and some are against it.  Would it help any, if NxtOrg and NxtFoundation could get up to 25% each of the fund, but they need to outline how they will use the funds first?  (I guess this would be the same as each group applying for funds like everyone has been able to do and go along with what has been said about "any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis" )

Personally, I haven't decided if I'm for or against the two groups getting any of the funds.  I would just like to hear if they actually need the funds and if so, how they will use them.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 18, 2014, 03:03:31 pm
I feel like I haven't heard as much from the other group though and would like to.

You have, you probably just don't realise it :)

You can consider all the work I've done, from videos and interviews, to funding, to putting out bounties on tutorials and features, to speaking in public, to connecting up people to projects, to spearheading fundraisings for people with projects, to pushing some agendas etc. as work for and in the spirit of the Nxt Foundation.

The same goes for the work that EvilDave does, which is much the same, as work for the Foundation as well.

Tai Zen is also a member and all his work as speaker and promotor is the same.

l8orre is also a member, and his work in supporting and helping with dev and technical work (mostly behind the scenes) is also Foundation work.

chanc3r is one of the major forces in auditing code in our community and that work also falls under what the Foundation feels is necessary.

We five are the current members, and the reason we are far less visible is that we do not act as a "group" per se, but play to our strengths, while still working to a common agenda. :)
http://nxtfoundation.org/

I've already put up my agenda a few posts earlier and I believe it reflects the way we have been working for the past 6 months. Not for quick results or even nice price rises, but for long term sustainability with the knowledge that increased value eventually will be reflected in the price anyway.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: MrV777 on December 18, 2014, 03:25:08 pm
Sorry about that Damelon.  Sometimes I only have a chance to quickly look at the most recent forum posts and miss a few.
I think what helps with NxtOrg is that they have this: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-organization/ with the weekly update posts happening recently, they have stuck in my mind.

You have done a lot of work for NXT, it's my own fault, but I forgot you were a part of the Nxt Foundation  :o

Tai Zen has done a lot too.  I do miss these: https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/nxt-community-development-update-19-%2811-01-2014%29-the-nxt-evolution/
That may just be me though

Hope I didn't offend you at all
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 18, 2014, 03:30:05 pm
@MrV777:

No problemo, mate, we're a very de-centralised Foundation  ;D
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 03:31:20 pm
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 18, 2014, 03:39:55 pm
Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 03:46:32 pm
Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I am not being negative towards Nxt technology or Nxt in an isolated view. But I am seeing the bigger picture of crypto and Nxts place within said picture and to me it's not looking good. I would be delighted, absolutely delighted to be proven wrong, as that would mean I am set for life. But I am able to ignore my own wishful-thinking biases and look at the facts:

Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up


I also know of some really good news for Nxt that will be coming out in the next weeks, including some really cool projects that has sprung up recently by genius minds, but my thinking has been proven right for a year, so I don't expect it to suddenly shift unless we actually DO something about it, no. Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward. Like I said in that other post, if we manage to get some wind back in our sails that could cause a positive snowballing effect for Nxt. But this wont happen just because we have some cool technology. Nxt has had the best platform for a year, no one really gives a shit about that. This is just how reality works. Like I said on the good old next forum owned by Graviton last December:

"There is a Mozart playing the piano in his basement somewhere that you'll never be aware of, yet everyone has heard of Justin Bieber"


Marketing = adoption, adoption = growth
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: semibaron on December 18, 2014, 04:35:35 pm
I think in the long run NXT has 2 options to survive:

1.) Adopt a MS currency with huge user base & fair distribution and spread it into the world
2.) Refocus from cryptocurrency to service provider. This means focusing much more on AE and stuff like that and allow other, successful currencies to allow our service.

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 18, 2014, 04:44:02 pm
We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

No we don't. Nxt distribution is similar to Litecoin, no? Probably better than most altcoins. What about ripple-- how much percent is in the companies hands, and how is that hurting ripple's price now? Nxt's distribution is probably better than bitcoin's was after a year. Seems that because Nxt FUDsters keep repeating the mantra about distribution, others start to believe it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: MrV777 on December 18, 2014, 04:45:04 pm
We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

Every one has their opinion on this, but please don't start up this discussion in this thread too  :-\
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: semibaron on December 18, 2014, 04:53:22 pm
We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

Every one has their opinion on this, but please don't start up this discussion in this thread too  :-\

My post was mainly about the 2 points what NXT can do. The distribution was just a side comment.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 18, 2014, 04:54:47 pm
Not at all. :)

My post was not meant as "you don't know what you are talking about", just as clarification.

We chóóse not to mention the Foundation, because we do not see ourselves as representing the community. Before you know it, you become some kind of official body with a mandate. We don't want that. We want to represent Nxt in a way we think is effective, not to be a group that pretends to speak for all. At the most we speak for ourselves and the people we happen to plug or who at that moment agree with us.

So we talk as ourselves in here, because most actions come from our own passion for choosing certain topics to deal with.

The Foundation is just a name for the outside world that enables us to do that. It's a means to an end, nothing more :)

No harm done, because it's our own silence that made it difficult to see. I did want to point it out because you asked.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 18, 2014, 04:56:14 pm
Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward.

So the Nxt should be given directly to anyone who thinks they know how to spend it for the good of Nxt? So if another few Nxters banded together today, put up a website and came up with a fancy name, they should get an equal share of Nxt with the Foundation and Nxt Org? What about another two groups? Maybe the MGW team know how to spend to improve Nxt? Maybe DoM P's group do?

If you think you should be trusted to spend money, then why not put your name forward for election to this committee? Or if you have great ideas, you can just put them to the committee after it is elected, and you should have no problem being funded, so it should end up the same difference, no.

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: JamesList on December 18, 2014, 05:15:26 pm


Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up



A lot of discussion moved to slack in case you have missed it. We have gained a lot of longterm users in the past weeks with SuperNET.

Which competitors are up? Bitcoin? Litecoin? Dogecoin? Darkcoin? Monero? Blackcoin? XC? Vericoin?

You should not forget that the nxt prices suffer from the NXT AE projects like Jinn, mining assets.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 08:23:44 pm
Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward.

So the Nxt should be given directly to anyone who thinks they know how to spend it for the good of Nxt? So if another few Nxters banded together today, put up a website and came up with a fancy name, they should get an equal share of Nxt with the Foundation and Nxt Org? What about another two groups? Maybe the MGW team know how to spend to improve Nxt? Maybe DoM P's group do?

Ugh, why do people CHOOSE to misinterpret and misunderstand just to argue?

"If a few other Nxters", inside the Nxt foundation and Nxt organization are people who all have worked on NXT the longest and hardest. And like I just said: the groups are obviously open ( at least Nxt Org is and Nxt Foundation was when formed ) to accepting in new members. DoM P was actually invited and chose to be a non-partisan member, so yea he's covered too.
 
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If you think you should be trusted to spend money, then why not put your name forward for election to this committee? Or if you have great ideas, you can just put them to the committee after it is elected, and you should have no problem being funded, so it should end up the same difference, no.

I stepped down from the organization 2 months ago due to the fact that I have other obligations that take up all my time, so again your question doesn't apply to me at all.
The point here is that it's better to get shit done than not, pretty simple concept you should be able to wrap your head around.


A lot of discussion moved to slack in case you have missed it. We have gained a lot of longterm users in the past weeks with SuperNET.

Which competitors are up? Bitcoin? Litecoin? Dogecoin? Darkcoin? Monero? Blackcoin? XC? Vericoin?


I have not missed it, I say look at the overall data.
And competitors up = yes pretty much every other project has been able to bootstrap and establish themselves. NXT had an unprescedented window of oppourtunity as a first-mover in the 2.0 space, we did not capitalize on it. As a consequence we are ranked #14 on volume, which is the most important metric.

I cannot fathom how anyone can look at the evolution of NXT in the last 6 months and think "Oh we're doing well"
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 08:26:55 pm
We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

No we don't. Nxt distribution is similar to Litecoin, no? Probably better than most altcoins. What about ripple-- how much percent is in the companies hands, and how is that hurting ripple's price now? Nxt's distribution is probably better than bitcoin's was after a year. Seems that because Nxt FUDsters keep repeating the mantra about distribution, others start to believe it.

I wont go into a big discussion about the distribution problem as that is a skeleton horse at this point, what I will say though is that this perception and opinion of NXT was formed 1 year ago and has not let go. This is like Malaysian Airlines, their flights are not more prone to accidents than any other airline, yet due to the perception of others they got fucked hardcore. Marketing101
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: emule on December 18, 2014, 08:34:28 pm

I do apply for pain in the ass, so vote me in...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: emule on December 18, 2014, 08:37:08 pm
Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I want 2k of the same shit you r smoking, but hey you are at the source
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: landomata on December 18, 2014, 08:47:42 pm
Nxt AE has 60,000 trades does any other platform come close to that?

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on December 18, 2014, 08:52:43 pm
Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up

Please, stop talking about BTC that way.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: apenzl on December 18, 2014, 08:54:49 pm
Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything.

(http://i.imgur.com/N0lvgUi.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/YjddKzZ.png?1)

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 09:04:38 pm
Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything.

(http://i.imgur.com/N0lvgUi.png?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/YjddKzZ.png?1)


Yes, this hightlights exactly what I am saying: we are this isolated island. There is activity within the NXT ecosystem, but there is little new blood coming in and so the situation remains the same.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:21:02 pm
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
hello emule
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 09:21:29 pm
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
hello emule

you became a troll too James?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:22:04 pm
Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I am not being negative towards Nxt technology or Nxt in an isolated view. But I am seeing the bigger picture of crypto and Nxts place within said picture and to me it's not looking good. I would be delighted, absolutely delighted to be proven wrong, as that would mean I am set for life. But I am able to ignore my own wishful-thinking biases and look at the facts:

Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up


I also know of some really good news for Nxt that will be coming out in the next weeks, including some really cool projects that has sprung up recently by genius minds, but my thinking has been proven right for a year, so I don't expect it to suddenly shift unless we actually DO something about it, no. Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward. Like I said in that other post, if we manage to get some wind back in our sails that could cause a positive snowballing effect for Nxt. But this wont happen just because we have some cool technology. Nxt has had the best platform for a year, no one really gives a shit about that. This is just how reality works. Like I said on the good old next forum owned by Graviton last December:

"There is a Mozart playing the piano in his basement somewhere that you'll never be aware of, yet everyone has heard of Justin Bieber"


Marketing = adoption, adoption = growth
I know, we should all just send all our NXT to you since you are the smartest one around here.
what is your NXT address, I will send you all my NXT

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 09:24:05 pm
Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I am not being negative towards Nxt technology or Nxt in an isolated view. But I am seeing the bigger picture of crypto and Nxts place within said picture and to me it's not looking good. I would be delighted, absolutely delighted to be proven wrong, as that would mean I am set for life. But I am able to ignore my own wishful-thinking biases and look at the facts:

Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up


I also know of some really good news for Nxt that will be coming out in the next weeks, including some really cool projects that has sprung up recently by genius minds, but my thinking has been proven right for a year, so I don't expect it to suddenly shift unless we actually DO something about it, no. Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward. Like I said in that other post, if we manage to get some wind back in our sails that could cause a positive snowballing effect for Nxt. But this wont happen just because we have some cool technology. Nxt has had the best platform for a year, no one really gives a shit about that. This is just how reality works. Like I said on the good old next forum owned by Graviton last December:

"There is a Mozart playing the piano in his basement somewhere that you'll never be aware of, yet everyone has heard of Justin Bieber"


Marketing = adoption, adoption = growth
I know, we should all just send all our NXT to you since you are the smartest one around here.
what is your NXT address, I will send you all my NXT

James

Yes James, exactly. Except for the fact that I have already stated that I would get exactly 0% of this money and don't want any of the money, I want the money to go to those who are working in the NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization. Trolling is not your suit
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:30:22 pm
I think in the long run NXT has 2 options to survive:

1.) Adopt a MS currency with huge user base & fair distribution and spread it into the world
2.) Refocus from cryptocurrency to service provider. This means focusing much more on AE and stuff like that and allow other, successful currencies to allow our service.

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty
what is the burn rate of NXT?
what people that dont understand crypto do is to apply real world thinking to it. This is not optimal. Contrary to what emules are saying the usage levels are actually going up. In spite of all the gloom and doom talk, what AE platform is getting more actual usage than all others combined?

So, to say the end is coming in 6 months to the platform that has succeeded more than all the other asset platforms combined, well I use the term "emule" for a reason.

With all the regulations and most the other platforms within reach of the regulations, which platform is positioned to survive?

Now please think about this. At any moment in time a company that wants to do a crypto project will make a decision which platform to use. Maybe network effect forces people to keep making Windows versions, but all developers are praying for the day when it stops being a viable platform. And linux survived for many years, cuz it has constantly been the best platform to create new projects on.

The day NXT tech is not the best crypto platform for new projects, that is the day it will begin to stop growing. Now this is a complex issue, so you can choose to listen to emule and uniquorn who has achieved exactly what for NXT? Or me.

Your choice.

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: apenzl on December 18, 2014, 09:30:52 pm
Yes, this hightlights exactly what I am saying: we are this isolated island. There is activity within the NXT ecosystem, but there is little new blood coming in and so the situation remains the same.

Meanwhile, in our 1 year old isolated island,

For now the task #1 is to polish & support Voting System & 2-Phased Transactions until production, and build theoretical basis for Forging 2.0 implementation (Transparent Forging/Economic Clusters/Anti Deflation in BCNext tree if I understand his ideas in the right way), and the implementation will be task #1 for the first half of 2015.

Below u'll find a short description of Nxt mining system. The description is based on text written by BCNext, I paraphrase it in my own words to protect BCNext's real identity against text style analysis (as was agreed).
And the most important feature:

The network can detect which miners don't take part in block generation and act accordingly.

So, what does make Nxt a really next-gen currency? Not those nice features like decentralized exchange, or decentralized DNS, or decentralized app store. The transparent mining algo does, and this is only the 1st part of BCNext's plan...

I'm not that much into doomsday scenarios. Is this one? Who are our competitors?

Anyways, this is getting OT. As seen so many times before.

Maybe you could be external advisor for CFC, since you can't run. What *shit* is needed to be done, in your opinion? It might help discussing that. And I'm not trolling here, I mean it. What do you suggest?

EDIT: fixed typo
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:32:51 pm
Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I am not being negative towards Nxt technology or Nxt in an isolated view. But I am seeing the bigger picture of crypto and Nxts place within said picture and to me it's not looking good. I would be delighted, absolutely delighted to be proven wrong, as that would mean I am set for life. But I am able to ignore my own wishful-thinking biases and look at the facts:

Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up


I also know of some really good news for Nxt that will be coming out in the next weeks, including some really cool projects that has sprung up recently by genius minds, but my thinking has been proven right for a year, so I don't expect it to suddenly shift unless we actually DO something about it, no. Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward. Like I said in that other post, if we manage to get some wind back in our sails that could cause a positive snowballing effect for Nxt. But this wont happen just because we have some cool technology. Nxt has had the best platform for a year, no one really gives a shit about that. This is just how reality works. Like I said on the good old next forum owned by Graviton last December:

"There is a Mozart playing the piano in his basement somewhere that you'll never be aware of, yet everyone has heard of Justin Bieber"


Marketing = adoption, adoption = growth
I know, we should all just send all our NXT to you since you are the smartest one around here.
what is your NXT address, I will send you all my NXT

James

Yes James, exactly. Except for the fact that I have already stated that I would get exactly 0% of this money and don't want any of the money, I want the money to go to those who are working in the NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization. Trolling is not your suit
You are making the FUD for NXT while claiming you have done all these wonderful things for NXT.

Please name all the wonderful things. I can think of the fiat gateway project you wanted 5 million NXT for, what was it called? bithaus, no nxthaus. Yes, fantastic part of the NXT ecosystem you have brought for us.

You advocating spending a lot of money, that is the solution to everything to you.

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:39:22 pm
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
hello emule

you became a troll too James?
yup! I am your personal troll. I dont like you. I dont like how you behave. you use your sockpuppets, it is dishonest, yet you claim to be the great positive force for NXT, when all you do it hurt it.

many people left NXT specifically because of you and your abrasive manner. Since you sound halfway credible and you are spouting nonsense,  I need to discredit you so that people wont start worrying needlessly.

Remember when you were pushing real hard for Isle of Mann crytpo paradise? And I said, that is the wrong path and there is no assurance that one day the bigger fiat govts wouldnt squeeze the IoM to cave into their desires. Within a few months, what happened? where is the Isle of Mann crypto paradise? So you were wrong on that one, but you keep coming back with doom and gloom.

It is curious that both you and emule are back at the same time. I just put two and two together

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 09:47:27 pm
Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward.

So the Nxt should be given directly to anyone who thinks they know how to spend it for the good of Nxt? So if another few Nxters banded together today, put up a website and came up with a fancy name, they should get an equal share of Nxt with the Foundation and Nxt Org? What about another two groups? Maybe the MGW team know how to spend to improve Nxt? Maybe DoM P's group do?

Ugh, why do people CHOOSE to misinterpret and misunderstand just to argue?

"If a few other Nxters", inside the Nxt foundation and Nxt organization are people who all have worked on NXT the longest and hardest. And like I just said: the groups are obviously open ( at least Nxt Org is and Nxt Foundation was when formed ) to accepting in new members. DoM P was actually invited and chose to be a non-partisan member, so yea he's covered too.
 
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If you think you should be trusted to spend money, then why not put your name forward for election to this committee? Or if you have great ideas, you can just put them to the committee after it is elected, and you should have no problem being funded, so it should end up the same difference, no.

I stepped down from the organization 2 months ago due to the fact that I have other obligations that take up all my time, so again your question doesn't apply to me at all.
The point here is that it's better to get shit done than not, pretty simple concept you should be able to wrap your head around.


A lot of discussion moved to slack in case you have missed it. We have gained a lot of longterm users in the past weeks with SuperNET.

Which competitors are up? Bitcoin? Litecoin? Dogecoin? Darkcoin? Monero? Blackcoin? XC? Vericoin?


I have not missed it, I say look at the overall data.
And competitors up = yes pretty much every other project has been able to bootstrap and establish themselves. NXT had an unprescedented window of oppourtunity as a first-mover in the 2.0 space, we did not capitalize on it. As a consequence we are ranked #14 on volume, which is the most important metric.

I cannot fathom how anyone can look at the evolution of NXT in the last 6 months and think "Oh we're doing well"
They would look at the API that is now vs 6 months ago and the details of the testnet release.
Since you are not a coder you dont understand how fast NXT is evolving. Maybe you need to go to ripple? they have   a lot of volume so they are the most successful non BTC crypto, right?

plz stop posting nonsense
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: apenzl on December 18, 2014, 09:54:22 pm
*BUMP*

So to sum up, make sure everyone is on the same page:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (TRES)
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. Dom P (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g/pouncer (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on December 18, 2014, 09:56:09 pm
So to sum up, make sure everyone is on the same page:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g/pouncer (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Also speculated that the funds should go to:
1. 50/50 to the already founded committees (NXT ORG/Foundation)
2. all to devs
3. some to devs
4. superbowl ad/something with chocolate
5. send to genesis (destroy)

My favorite idea:
1. Committee is formed somehow
2. Committee uses funds to start up internal (NRS) and external (apps) within the nxt framework
3. Committee monitors these projects and makes sure the funds are used well by these groups
4. Projects that were funded then do their own marketing for their own product
5. Nxt is used as the center, so when that project succeeds, nxt succeeds

To sum up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE

You missed me. :(
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on December 18, 2014, 10:02:02 pm
You missed me. :(

In technology, you do a good job when nobody notices you  ;D
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 10:02:50 pm

yup! I am your personal troll. I dont like you. I dont like how you behave. you use your sockpuppets, it is dishonest, yet you claim to be the great positive force for NXT, when all you do it hurt it.


This'll be my last reply to you since all you do is lie and talk crap.
First let's adress that ridiculous first post of yours:

This is like the 10th time that you have started a discussion with me, where you refer to things that are not even in reality. Now I understand what you meant when you told me of your past and how your mind is really, really fragile. I think you need a vacation.

And also NxtHaus was something Wesley brought to me which everyone was very much for. The announcement of NxtHaus also pushed NXT Price up like 30%, prior to it growing again in syngery after Overstock announced talks with NXT, so yeah James, go back to then and see, that was actually the peak of NXT. So yes I have absolutely no problems with being majorly responsible for that peak. Hell, the NxtHaus assets you issued was also the beginning of your empire, when people saw the money you could make on thsoe assets, you decided to make more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and you still haven't stopped, because hey, the rich always wants more.

But unlike you, Nxthaus wanted to do things properly. (and have been doing things properly with an imminent launch) I.E. be a serious, public and a transparent actor to give Nxt and crypto acceptance in the *real world* where you can actually make a difference. But in the real world, there is beauracracy, there is regulations, there are problems that need to be overcome which costs money and time. But at the end of the day, you get something real. The same thing I offered to help you with, when you just rejected it and instead wanted to create your own digitized sovereign nation where no rules or laws apply. The anarchists fantasyland. This is also the reason Wesley abandoned your project.

I still stand by all of that today, which is why I stopped giving a fuck about your ventures, because it's literally impossible to help you, you think reality don't apply to you or Nxt.  So you get mad everytime someone remind you to take your pills.


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many people left NXT specifically because of you and your abrasive manner. Since you sound halfway credible and you are spouting nonsense,  I need to discredit you so that people wont start worrying needlessly.

Show me one James.

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Remember when you were pushing real hard for Isle of Mann crytpo paradise? And I said, that is the wrong path and there is no assurance that one day the bigger fiat govts wouldnt squeeze the IoM to cave into their desires. Within a few months, what happened? where is the Isle of Mann crypto paradise? So you were wrong on that one, but you keep coming back with doom and gloom.

Crypto is actually moving forth on Isle of Man James. I told you that I could help you get setup with YOUR ventures on Isle of Man, and again I stand by my statement that it would be the best option *if* you wanted to actually create something out of these infinite assets you keep issuing. Personally I don't even mind taxes. Philosophically I agree with taxes *on some things*. I am not an anarchist like you.

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It is curious that both you and emule are back at the same time. I just put two and two together

James

This is so beneath me that I wont even... Instead I'll just remind myself that when CIYAM was pushing you out of NXT and we had that long talk where you revealed your past, you gave me quite intimate details of your past and how your mind "works" and believe that this is just your mind caving in, rather than you actually being a bad person.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: apenzl on December 18, 2014, 10:04:59 pm
So to sum up, make sure everyone is on the same page:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Also speculated that the funds should go to:
1. 50/50 to the already founded committees (NXT ORG/Foundation)
2. all to devs
3. some to devs
4. superbowl ad/something with chocolate
5. send to genesis (destroy)

My favorite idea:
1. Committee is formed somehow
2. Committee uses funds to start up internal (NRS) and external (apps) within the nxt framework
3. Committee monitors these projects and makes sure the funds are used well by these groups
4. Projects that were funded then do their own marketing for their own product
5. Nxt is used as the center, so when that project succeeds, nxt succeeds

To sum up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE

You missed me. :(

And Pouncer. Fixed.  8)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 10:15:10 pm
Anyways, this is getting OT. As seen so many times before.

Maybe you could be external advisor for CFC, since you can't run. What *shit* is needed to be done, in your opinion? It might help discussing that. And I'm not trolling here, I mean it. What do you suggest?

EDIT: fixed typo


I have already stated it 100 times. I am proposing to compensate those who really do great work for Nxt (like yourself) and create initiative to make a change. Damelon, Evil Dave and their group has done a lot of great things, so has members of the Nxt Organization, so what I am saying: give these people the funds to do something with.

Nxt needs exposure OUTSIDE of Nxt. Regardless of how much crack James smokes, the truth is in the statistics, go to the Facebook page, twitter page, subreddit, forum registrations, visitors on websites. Nxt is not growing. There is transactions on the blockchain between Nxters, but that's not how you GROW. We need Nxt to reach people outside, the 3-500 or so active Nxters enjoying the technology is really good and all, but it's not changing the world.

Look at the volume and price of Nxt, it's down over 80%. This is not me fudding, I have a huge incentive for Nxt to win this race and I thoroughly believe in the technology. But Nxt NEEDS to get "out there" and I honestly believe our best shot is to incentivize the active people, which will then make a change, which will inspire others, like we've seen before
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 10:19:30 pm

yup! I am your personal troll. I dont like you. I dont like how you behave. you use your sockpuppets, it is dishonest, yet you claim to be the great positive force for NXT, when all you do it hurt it.


This'll be my last reply to you since all you do is lie and talk crap.
First let's adress that ridiculous first post of yours:

This is like the 10th time that you have started a discussion with me, where you refer to things that are not even in reality. Now I understand what you meant when you told me of your past and how your mind is really, really fragile. I think you need a vacation.

And also NxtHaus was something Wesley brought to me which everyone was very much for. The announcement of NxtHaus also pushed NXT Price up like 30%, prior to it growing again in syngery after Overstock announced talks with NXT, so yeah James, go back to then and see, that was actually the peak of NXT. So yes I have absolutely no problems with being majorly responsible for that peak. Hell, the NxtHaus assets you issued was also the beginning of your empire, when people saw the money you could make on thsoe assets, you decided to make more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and you still haven't stopped, because hey, the rich always wants more.

But unlike you, Nxthaus wanted to do things properly. (and have been doing things properly with an imminent launch) I.E. be a serious, public and a transparent actor to give Nxt and crypto acceptance in the *real world* where you can actually make a difference. But in the real world, there is beauracracy, there is regulations, there are problems that need to be overcome which costs money and time. But at the end of the day, you get something real. The same thing I offered to help you with, when you just rejected it and instead wanted to create your own digitized sovereign nation where no rules or laws apply. The anarchists fantasyland. This is also the reason Wesley abandoned your project.

I still stand by all of that today, which is why I stopped giving a fuck about your ventures, because it's literally impossible to help you, you think reality don't apply to you or Nxt.  So you get mad everytime someone remind you to take your pills.


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many people left NXT specifically because of you and your abrasive manner. Since you sound halfway credible and you are spouting nonsense,  I need to discredit you so that people wont start worrying needlessly.

Show me one James.

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Remember when you were pushing real hard for Isle of Mann crytpo paradise? And I said, that is the wrong path and there is no assurance that one day the bigger fiat govts wouldnt squeeze the IoM to cave into their desires. Within a few months, what happened? where is the Isle of Mann crypto paradise? So you were wrong on that one, but you keep coming back with doom and gloom.

Crypto is actually moving forth on Isle of Man James. I told you that I could help you get setup with YOUR ventures on Isle of Man, and again I stand by my statement that it would be the best option *if* you wanted to actually create something out of these infinite assets you keep issuing. Personally I don't even mind taxes. Philosophically I agree with taxes *on some things*. I am not an anarchist like you.

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It is curious that both you and emule are back at the same time. I just put two and two together

James

This is so beneath me that I wont even... Instead I'll just remind myself that when CIYAM was pushing you out of NXT and we had that long talk where you revealed your past, you gave me quite intimate details of your past and how your mind "works" and believe that this is just your mind caving in, rather than you actually being a bad person.
CIYAM tried a power grab to become the co-lead dev and with jean-luc always coding, he would have been the guy effectively in charge of NXT development. His priorities were to fire both me and CfB. I fought against that as I felt it would not be good for NXT.

It does seem like you are making some veiled threats of blackmailing me with some Oprah stuff. You going to PM me to threaten to post the private conversations next? I stand behind what I have created and started. The SuperNET is doing just fine and all the assets are nearing activation. In any case the source code, even the working repo is all public so people can see what I have been doing.

Just like I felt CIYAM was not good for NXT if he became some sort of centralized manager for devs, I dont feel that having you getting access to the public funds will be good for NXT. This is my opinion, am I not allowed to have them?

So I am not a transparent actor? When my development repo is actively posted. Over 2700 commits last 8 months, around 40,000 lines of code. Then there are all the people I am working with and helping them with assets. You personify all the assets to being just me. There are dozens and dozens of people actively contributing.

You want to talk about transparency? Then why dont you tell us all the projects you are working on?

James

P.S. funny you say Wesley stopped working on my projects because of me, when he actually stopped working on all NXT projects a while back. Shall I name the project for you?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 10:26:34 pm
Anyways, this is getting OT. As seen so many times before.

Maybe you could be external advisor for CFC, since you can't run. What *shit* is needed to be done, in your opinion? It might help discussing that. And I'm not trolling here, I mean it. What do you suggest?

EDIT: fixed typo


I have already stated it 100 times. I am proposing to compensate those who really do great work for Nxt (like yourself) and create initiative to make a change. Damelon, Evil Dave and their group has done a lot of great things, so has members of the Nxt Organization, so what I am saying: give these people the funds to do something with.

Nxt needs exposure OUTSIDE of Nxt. Regardless of how much crack James smokes, the truth is in the statistics, go to the Facebook page, twitter page, subreddit, forum registrations, visitors on websites. Nxt is not growing. There is transactions on the blockchain between Nxters, but that's not how you GROW. We need Nxt to reach people outside, the 3-500 or so active Nxters enjoying the technology is really good and all, but it's not changing the world.

Look at the volume and price of Nxt, it's down over 80%. This is not me fudding, I have a huge incentive for Nxt to win this race and I thoroughly believe in the technology. But Nxt NEEDS to get "out there" and I honestly believe our best shot is to incentivize the active people, which will then make a change, which will inspire others, like we've seen before
volume of NXT is actually a bit more than volume of BTC in terms of percentage of marketcap. Is this really an urgent problem? To me it seems like NXT has a lot of long term holders and not so many day traders. Maybe that is no so bad.

As far as price, maybe nobody told you about the bear market crypto is in? BTC is down 75% from ATH. smoothing out the peaks and valleys, NXT is down around 50%, but a significant part of that is due to the mining assets cashflow imbalance.

Now I am not one to argue against getting NXT out there. That is nice to say, but harder to do. What is your plan for the millions of NXT that will get NXT out there? I came up with SuperNET and NXTinside plans to use NXT as a platform and a few assets. Curious to hear some specific plans of yours on how the money should be spent, other than just hand out money to people and hope for some magical trickle down effect.

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 18, 2014, 10:39:06 pm

CIYAM tried a power grab to become the co-lead dev and with jean-luc always coding, he would have been the guy effectively in charge of NXT development. His priorities were to fire both me and CfB. I fought against that as I felt it would not be good for NXT.


And did I not support you and also revealed CIYAMs final intention ? Yes I did. I got to know CIYAM better than anyone in Nxt and there is a lot to be said about that guy and the shit he pulled, but him wanting actual structure was not one of his sins.

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It does seem like you are making some veiled threats of blackmailing me with some Oprah stuff. You going to PM me to threaten to post the private conversations next? I stand behind what I have created and started. The SuperNET is doing just fine and all the assets are nearing activation. In any case the source code, even the working repo is all public so people can see what I have been doing.

Blackmailing you James.. Are you serious? I am simply responding to someone making false and downright retarded accusations against me. I would never ever reveal any of our private conversations or PMs or whateverthefuck you got yourself thinking.

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Just like I felt CIYAM was not good for NXT if he became some sort of centralized manager for devs, I dont feel that having you getting access to the public funds will be good for NXT. This is my opinion, am I not allowed to have them?

See this is the core of the entire reason I can't fucking stand you anymore. When did I try to get a hold of all the funds? I have thoroughly informed you and everyone else that I would not be getting ANY of these funds. I am fighting to get people to be compensated, as I always have been. I have paid people more from my personal stash than most dating back to December 2013. That is my sole proposal: Give the people who do the actual work, the funds to be able to continue doing it before they lose interest like so many others have done. I am so fucking done with your false representations.

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So I am not a transparent actor? When my development repo is actively posted. Over 2700 commits last 8 months, around 40,000 lines of code. Then there are all the people I am working with and helping them with assets. You personify all the assets to being just me. There are dozens and dozens of people actively contributing.

So James, what is your full real name, age, location and what are your future plans for registering these businesses? THAT is the transparency crypto needs. People have had it with shadow exchanges and projects that suddenly just disappear into thin air. MtGox, BlackSheepMarket etc. did more damage to crypto than regulations ever did.

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You want to talk about transparency? Then why dont you tell us all the projects you are working on?

Uhm, since when has this been a secret? I am fulltime working on Jinn and the leftover time I spend on social ventures as well as aiding NxtHaus (which will come with a happy christmas update to Nxters soon).

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P.S. funny you say Wesley stopped working on my projects because of me, when he actually stopped working on all NXT projects a while back. Shall I name the project for you?

I am repeating what Wesley said himself, in the Skype chats (public ones) when shit started hitting the fan with the rumors of the SEC. This is a major concern for a lot of people, because you do everything outside of the laws and regulations. Are you honestly going to try to tell me that you think you can create this trillion dollar empire that will be exempt from all forms of regulation without anyone taking serious damage in the form of both financial and prison time? Seriously?

I warned you of Bluemeanie before that shit hit the fan, I warned Nxt of CIYAM before and I warned people of Lee before his scam-asset vaporized. I again warn you, don't overestimate yourself and underestimate the real world. I think you could be doing really good shit in the long term if you had just spent a tiny amount of time considering how you could change the actual real world, rather than just this shadow-world of yours.

But that's seriously it, I'm done talking with you. *Going offline*

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: yassin54 on December 18, 2014, 10:57:20 pm
I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
hello emule

you became a troll too James?
yup! I am your personal troll. I dont like you. I dont like how you behave. you use your sockpuppets, it is dishonest, yet you claim to be the great positive force for NXT, when all you do it hurt it.

many people left NXT specifically because of you and your abrasive manner. Since you sound halfway credible and you are spouting nonsense,  I need to discredit you so that people wont start worrying needlessly.

Remember when you were pushing real hard for Isle of Mann crytpo paradise? And I said, that is the wrong path and there is no assurance that one day the bigger fiat govts wouldnt squeeze the IoM to cave into their desires. Within a few months, what happened? where is the Isle of Mann crypto paradise? So you were wrong on that one, but you keep coming back with doom and gloom.

It is curious that both you and emule are back at the same time. I just put two and two together

James

I always said that it was a parasite
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 18, 2014, 11:09:45 pm
James, Uniqueorn,

I understand you too deeply disagree on many things, but it probably would help this thread if you didn't fill it up with personal attacks that have little to do with CFC.

Thanks ;)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 18, 2014, 11:15:28 pm
James, Uniqueorn,

I understand you too deeply disagree on many things, but it probably would help this thread if you didn't fill it up with personal attacks that have little to do with CFC.

Thanks ;)
sorry, I feel much better now, refilled my crack pipe
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: msin on December 18, 2014, 11:55:55 pm
As far as price, maybe nobody told you about the bear market crypto is in? BTC is down 75% from ATH. smoothing out the peaks and valleys, NXT is down around 50%, but a significant part of that is due to the mining assets cashflow imbalance.

I think Nxt is very well known among Crypto users.  I believe we still need to develop some features to become more business friendly, but I also think AE is a huge success.  I don't think the price reflects our lack of marketing.  I actually think marketing can have an adverse effect on our legitimacy (let your tech speak) and right now I believe Nxt is becoming more legitimate among the core Crypto community while providing a cheaper entry point to go along with killer releases.  I think in general 2015 is going to be really good for crypto and Nxt will rise alongside BTC.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jl777 on December 19, 2014, 12:14:24 am
As far as price, maybe nobody told you about the bear market crypto is in? BTC is down 75% from ATH. smoothing out the peaks and valleys, NXT is down around 50%, but a significant part of that is due to the mining assets cashflow imbalance.

I think Nxt is very well known among Crypto users.  I believe we still need to develop some features to become more business friendly, but I also think AE is a huge success.  I don't think the price reflects our lack of marketing.  I actually think marketing can have an adverse effect on our legitimacy (let your tech speak) and right now I believe Nxt is becoming more legitimate among the core Crypto community while providing a cheaper entry point to go along with killer releases.  I think in general 2015 is going to be really good for crypto and Nxt will rise alongside BTC.
I remember back in Feb you were accusing me of being a marketing dweeb :)
I was still crypto newbie then, but you said it is the tech that matters. I took what you said to heart, and look what you have done!

Now I am advocating marketing NXT like it is a semiconductor chip, using technical marketing. Oh, and I did also come up with some few tech projects too.

If we ignore the market price, the usage of BTC is double a year ago, so maybe this is not the 10x that the October 2013 bulls were expecting, but still doubling activity year over year is quite good growth. NXT usage has gone from pure speculation to many, many projects that are getting funding, developing new tech and some are already paying dividends.

The only people that seem to be still hating on NXT are the ones that have never used it. So the least informed are the most negative about it and the most informed are the most positive about it.

We have seen other 2.0 projects get a lot of press, but press does not make a project a success. look at SuperNET vs blocknet. if you would believe the press on that, it is backwards of the reality.

Anyway, people have to remember that by any clinical definition the market is totally insane. manic depressive, schizophrenic all out hallucinatorily insane. Should we listen to a crazy guy about NXT?

James
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: msin on December 19, 2014, 12:38:57 am
As far as price, maybe nobody told you about the bear market crypto is in? BTC is down 75% from ATH. smoothing out the peaks and valleys, NXT is down around 50%, but a significant part of that is due to the mining assets cashflow imbalance.

I think Nxt is very well known among Crypto users.  I believe we still need to develop some features to become more business friendly, but I also think AE is a huge success.  I don't think the price reflects our lack of marketing.  I actually think marketing can have an adverse effect on our legitimacy (let your tech speak) and right now I believe Nxt is becoming more legitimate among the core Crypto community while providing a cheaper entry point to go along with killer releases.  I think in general 2015 is going to be really good for crypto and Nxt will rise alongside BTC.
I remember back in Feb you were accusing me of being a marketing dweeb :)
I was still crypto newbie then, but you said it is the tech that matters. I took what you said to heart, and look what you have done!

Now I am advocating marketing NXT like it is a semiconductor chip, using technical marketing. Oh, and I did also come up with some few tech projects too.

If we ignore the market price, the usage of BTC is double a year ago, so maybe this is not the 10x that the October 2013 bulls were expecting, but still doubling activity year over year is quite good growth. NXT usage has gone from pure speculation to many, many projects that are getting funding, developing new tech and some are already paying dividends.

The only people that seem to be still hating on NXT are the ones that have never used it. So the least informed are the most negative about it and the most informed are the most positive about it.

We have seen other 2.0 projects get a lot of press, but press does not make a project a success. look at SuperNET vs blocknet. if you would believe the press on that, it is backwards of the reality.

Anyway, people have to remember that by any clinical definition the market is totally insane. manic depressive, schizophrenic all out hallucinatorily insane. Should we listen to a crazy guy about NXT?

James

A lot of the negativity about Nxt comes from BTC guys who fealt threatened by Nxt.  Now that the price is so low, and the threat comes from elsewhere, a lot more people now seem willing to try Nxt.  Along with conference appearances by Bas and EvilD, I would agree that tech marketing is the best marketing.  Also, real world applicable products like Jinn, Finhive, Lyth, etc.. that utilize Nxt technology are very good organic marketing.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 19, 2014, 06:01:46 am
A lot of the negativity about Nxt comes from BTC guys who fealt threatened by Nxt.  Now that the price is so low, and the threat comes from elsewhere, a lot more people now seem willing to try Nxt.  Along with conference appearances by Bas and EvilD, I would agree that tech marketing is the best marketing.  Also, real world applicable products like Jinn, Finhive, Lyth, etc.. that utilize Nxt technology are very good organic marketing.

That is why we, at CFA Consulting, are trying to reach to the non crypto world, and bring it in straight to Nxt. The biggest reservoir of Nxt users is NOT Btc users. ;)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on December 19, 2014, 07:33:40 am
Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate.


Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May


Quote from: Uniqueorn

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=547.msg7402#msg7402 (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=547.msg7402#msg7402)
Spend it all ASAP

April 10, 2014, 03:03:09 pm


I was attacked for saying back in January that we should spend the entirety of the marketing fund (and the other funds) within 3 months.
Back then I was attacked as a "splurger" and not thinking "long-term".

Fact is back then 3 million NXT was 300K dollars. Today it's 60K dollars. With 300K dollars back in January we could've made a splash on the scene of cryptos. Today we are competing against multimillionaire backed projects like Ethereum, Mastercoin and Blockchain 2.0



There is absolutely no reason to sit on this NXT for months, in a few months NXT wont even exist unless something DRASTIC occurs.




*Spend it*. Yesterday Salsa said on the WeeklyUpdate that you guys wouldn't pay to have articles published on news sites. I say that is a dumb strategy because there exist nothing about NXT in any news articles.
I've had to cease the SWARM project because there has been absolutely nothing to SWARM.
We are never mentioned. Even Counterparty is mentioned more often than NXT.


The only good news for NXT is Asset Exchange and Digital Goods Store. We have to hype those with ALL of the NXT left. It's the only way for NXT to get any chance at any spotlight again.


Time is running out fellas, soon we'll be the least technically advanced 2.0, then what the fuck are we going to market?


I hosted Starcraft event with TeamWealth a few months ago, and now he has put in a request for a new and much bigger one that'll build on the proof of concept that was succesful. Why are you guys going to debate it for days and weeks? Just fund it. There is absolutely no reason to sit around and wait.




Ever since early December I have used this analogy while trying to convince the community that marketing is the key that unlocks all doors that we need open:

You have heard Justin Bieber's music willingly or unwillingly so many times that subconsciously you could probably hum several of his songs.
Meanwhile there are a *ton* of Mozartesque genius musicians that you have never heard and never will. Why? Because Bieber had marketing and the great musician didn't.

This is the same reason Apple managed to take over the market, they had perfect marketing and branding while other, with much better tech just died.

Once again same with clothes. Certain brands with shit quality sell 100000 times more than handcrafted clothing. Why? Marketing and Branding.


So even if we managed to make the absolute best tech, it would not lead to mass-adoption, at all.
Bitcoin is something hundreds of millions of people around the globe has heard of and they got hundreds of thousands real users.
NXT got 800 real users according to the blockchain audit someone did a month or two ago.
Bitcoin got multi-billionaires involved, meaning they got people with a HUUUUUGEEEE incentive to market Bitcoin.
And now with sidechains technology? If it is succesful (they got the brighest devs and minds in the cryptoscene onboard so chances are it will be) that means all of NXT features can be put into Bitcoin. You want anonymity? Zerocoin side chain. You want faster blocktime? SIDECHAIN. You want smart contracts? Yet another sidechain.

So NXT will not even be brought up into the conversation after this.



NXT has had 3 months where we were "on paper" the most promising crypto, but those days are gone.


If NXT isn't able to get back into the picture VERY soon, then we will be forgotten.




In my thread a few days ago you agreed with my call for aggressive marketing ?

The thing is that time is running out, we haven't been relevant in 3 months. We are NEVER mentioned in any discussions, any articles or anywhere.
We need aggressive marketing just to get back into the picture before it's too late. Will it attract pump and dumpers? Yes, but it will also grow our ever shrinking community. We used to have thousands of guys checking in on NXT, now we're at around 500 people.
We need to get back into the minds eye of people so we attract more users and developers, if not then NXT *will* die. There is no question about it. Ask anyone who attend these conferences, NXT is NEVER mentioned.

Adam Levine, Timothy Swanson and more who talk with these guys all the time have said it repeatedly: NXT just never gets brought up.
With Bitcoin's Sidechain project on the horizon... I just don't see how anyone is not accepting what I've been saying for months: AGGRESSIVE MARKETING. We'll just end up fizzling out.

----->  ;D

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 19, 2014, 08:05:16 am
Just thought that one would fit well... ;)

(http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/30000/5000/100/235197/235197.strip.gif)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 19, 2014, 12:18:16 pm

----->  ;D

So you went through all that trouble just to prove that I am consistent with my claims and that I am proven right over and over, have you not noticed that the Nxt price is down over 80% and that the peaks we've had in volume, price and adoption has been the few times we got some coverage? Our peak happened right after Overstock mentioned us, that was the first time Nxt was actually mentioned on a serious level outside of our community. Hell this forum had the most visitors ever the day that the big BTER hack was announced on Coindesk.


This idea that you don't need marketing is just so crazy that I cannot believe anyone in 2014 believes it. Marketing has always been a key factor in success of businesses. There is a reason Xerox Parc isn't the biggest company in the world, in fact according to the theory believed here they should be Microsoft and Apple combined. After all they had the actual technology a decade before either of those companies.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Fatih87SK on December 19, 2014, 12:31:42 pm

----->  ;D

So you went through all that trouble just to prove that I am consistent with my claims and that I am proven right over and over, have you not noticed that the Nxt price is down over 80% and that the peaks we've had in volume, price and adoption has been the few times we got some coverage? Our peak happened right after Overstock mentioned us, that was the first time Nxt was actually mentioned on a serious level outside of our community. Hell this forum had the most visitors ever the day that the big BTER hack was announced on Coindesk.


This idea that you don't need marketing is just so crazy that I cannot believe anyone in 2014 believes it. Marketing has always been a key factor in success of businesses. There is a reason Xerox Parc isn't the biggest company in the world, in fact according to the theory believed here they should be Microsoft and Apple combined. After all they had the actual technology a decade before either of those companies.

I think the most of us agrees how important Marketing is. But good marketing is not easy.

Sometimes it is harder than creating a great technology.

To start with marketing we have to know/describe what NXT is. What 'our' philosophy is.
What NXT can change in the world etc.

I realized this again after I saw the latest video of Ripple.

Marketing the awesome features of NXT doesn't bring new people in NXT. We have already showed the crypto world how innovative and powerful we are.
Now it is time to show our strentgh to the outside world.

If the community thinks that NXT isn't ready for that. Then we can talk/think about future marketing strategies.
We can learn from this video which I shared at a different topic as well;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoixyCNWg5k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoixyCNWg5k)

Also nice to watch;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keCwRdbwNQY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keCwRdbwNQY)

Steve Jobs comment about Nike says it all.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 19, 2014, 12:42:39 pm
I think the most of us agrees how important Marketing is. But good marketing is not easy.

Sometimes it is harder than creating a great technology.


Agreed, sadly that sentiment is not shared by as many as you think. You can clearly tell there is a large portion of people here who think that as long as the tech is good, users will come. Which is simply not true.

Quote
To start with marketing we have to know/describe what NXT is. What 'our' philosophy is.
What NXT can change in the world etc.

I realized this again after I saw the latest video of Ripple.

Agreed. And once again, this is why I am advocating giving funds to those who got the time and want to do the work here.

Quote
Marketing the awesome features of NXT doesn't bring new people in NXT. We have already showed the crypto world how innovative and powerful we are.
Now it is time to show our strentgh to the outside world.

Again agreed. Nxt NEEDS to get out of this bubble we're living in. Advertising to other nxters = futile. Advertising to the bigger crypto community = sadly not effective given the Nxt reputation. So we need to reach brand new people who don't have any of the prior perceptions of Nxt.

Quote
If the community thinks that NXT isn't ready for that. Then we can talk/think about future marketing strategies.
We can learn from this video which I shared at a different topic as well;

My view on software code has always been "Type it before you hype it", but while I still stand by this in product development, Nxt is a bit different. Nxt is decentralized and is entirely dependent on a growing community to evolve and stay alive. There are no venture capitalist infusions etc. that will ensure Nxt grows. Nxt, like the other cryptos, need to sell its vision as it's being developed to get new users, which will then develop Nxt further


I don't even understand how people manage to get their panties in a bunch over something so painfully obvious.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: _mr_e on December 19, 2014, 12:51:09 pm
SuperNet will be the thing that finally gets us noticed by both other crypto users and the outside world. Instead of giving jl such a hard time maybe your time would be better spent helping with that?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 19, 2014, 12:53:56 pm
SuperNet will be the thing that finally gets us noticed by both other crypto users and the outside world. Instead of giving jl such a hard time maybe you should instead start helping with that?

I offered to help James with making his projects into some actual real world business with registration, compliance, real roadmaps etc. and he rejected it in favour of going 100% off-grid and creating his "sovereign nation". So, no, I will not be associated with that at all.

My opinion of James' recklessness is that he will eventually do more to harm crypto than to grow it in the long run, simply because I consider it high probability that the majority of people involved will lose money and or people who play significant roles will face legal repercussions. I hope I am wrong.

On the other hand, I am not giving James a hard time in this thread because of that, I was giving him a "hard time" because he started lyng through his teeth and making up false accusations and twisting my words to the maximum.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: frohlocke on December 19, 2014, 12:56:52 pm
I think the most of us agrees how important Marketing is. But good marketing is not easy.

Sometimes it is harder than creating a great technology.


Agreed, sadly that sentiment is not shared by as many as you think. You can clearly tell there is a large portion of people here who think that as long as the tech is good, users will come. Which is simply not true.


If e.g. a tech has a killer app there is no marketing needed to get users to it.
So your statement are based on special scenarios and environments.You sound like you are the owner of the truth. You write like your opinion is the final judgement. Remains me of ....
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 19, 2014, 12:57:47 pm
Anyway I am back to not posting on this forum for a while.
The summary of my highly controversial points:

1. Compensate people who do the actual work
2. Let's put these funds to use, they've been sitting idle, doing absolutely nothing for a whole year.
3. My recommendation is to give it to those who have proven themselves
4. Don't underestimate marketing.


I know, it's edgy and cutting edge shit I am proposing here, so I totally understand the mental collapse of people reading it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: _mr_e on December 19, 2014, 12:59:09 pm
SuperNet will be the thing that finally gets us noticed by both other crypto users and the outside world. Instead of giving jl such a hard time maybe you should instead start helping with that?

I offered to help James with making his projects into some actual real world business with registration, compliance, real roadmaps etc. and he rejected it in favour of going 100% off-grid and creating his "sovereign nation". So, no, I will not be associated with that at all.

My opinion of James' recklessness is that he will eventually do more to harm crypto than to grow it in the long run, simply because I consider it high probability that the majority of people involved will lose money and or people who play significant roles will face legal repercussions. I hope I am wrong.

On the other hand, I am not giving James a hard time in this thread because of that, I was giving him a "hard time" because he started lyng through his teeth and making up false accusations and twisting my words to the maximum.

Legal repercussions for what exactly? Sad that software against the law now too. How exactly are people losing money by using new innovative software? James is doing exactly what he needs to do the make this succeed in the fucked up world we're living in, and he's doing it damn well better then I've seen anyone in a long time. Crypto as a whole needs this project. Nxt especially. Without SuperNet, I'd be selling all of mine.

The amount of people I've seen come together from all corners of crypto inside of the supernet spack is nothing short of amazing. The vibe of cooperation instead of dog-eat-dog is refreshing, and all of these people are converging around Nxt. This is our one shot to bring nxt to the masses.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: frohlocke on December 19, 2014, 01:04:50 pm
platitudes.
Anyway I am back to not posting on this forum for a while.
The summary of my highly controversial points:

1. Compensate people who do the actual work
2. Let's put these funds to use, they've been sitting idle, doing absolutely nothing for a whole year.
3. My recommendation is to give it to those who have proven themselves
4. Don't underestimate marketing.


I know, it's edgy and cutting edge shit I am proposing here, so I totally understand the mental collapse of people reading it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Cassius on December 19, 2014, 01:54:40 pm
Just caught up on this thread. Thanks for the nomination, EvilDave :P Will grab you on Skype sometime to find out exactly what is involved. Like others, I'm keen not to over-commit as I'm already spread a little thin. On the other hand, I quite like NXT and find it hard to say no to things...

On all the other exciting stuff I might as well chuck in my 2 NXT. There are some great 'NXT Inside' initiatives in the works and it absolutely makes sense to present NXT as a platform rather than a currency to me (not least since that's what it is). Using funds to facilitate NXT's integration into other services (i.e. specific applications and use cases) and help promote them as partners is what I'd expect to result in maximum back for our limited bucks. I'm not sure how that's similar or different to what's already been suggested.

Incidentally, someone with a stake in NXT but no involvement in the forums recently told me he loved NXT's marketing. The perception on the forums doesn't match that outside them.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: T3CLtd on December 19, 2014, 02:33:00 pm
I think the most of us agrees how important Marketing is. But good marketing is not easy.

This.

I've been in Crypto for a little over a year now and was fascinated by NXT when I read about it at the start of the year. Trouble is I couldn't buy any damn coins without having to jump through absurdly convoluted hoops and Ripple gateways that made no sense and sold me a bitcoin's worth at a price it decided, only for me to download the NRS and wonder why the hell it was telling me so much useless complicated information about the blockchain in realtime.

I shut it down and didn't bother even loading it up again for a few months.

Great tech, awful presentation. If you tried marketing it to the wider public then you would have failed miserably.

Wesley's client appeared several months later, looking far better and cleaner. Not ideal, but a great improvement on the original.

Great tech, ok presentation. If you tried marketing it to the wider public then you would have still failed miserably because only people familiar with crypto terminology and functions would know what they were doing with it.

A few months later we find a whole raft of really cool services, many of which are decentralised, now available to play with and experiment with.

Awesome tech, still-need-to-know-what-you-are-doing-presentation

If you tried marketing it to the wider public . . . .


My point is this, don't throw money away attempting to market a product only those people already in-the-know can use. 2015 is when you will reach that primary point of a NXT-based product that can be used by real non-crypto people. *That* is when you can promote the shit out of it.

Until then Marketing are wrong in what they are saying and Tech is wrong in what they are saying - Yes, both of you are wrong because both of you are missing the one and ONLY thing the general public is interested in, Design.

iPhone et al. worked not because it is superior tech or because it has superior marketing but because it allowed dumb people to do clever things *really* easily, as a result of its intentionally-designed user experience.

/off-topic






Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 19, 2014, 02:40:23 pm
Anyway I am back to not posting on this forum for a while.
The summary of my highly controversial points:

1. Compensate people who do the actual work
2. Let's put these funds to use, they've been sitting idle, doing absolutely nothing for a whole year.
3. My recommendation is to give it to those who have proven themselves
4. Don't underestimate marketing.


I know, it's edgy and cutting edge shit I am proposing here, so I totally understand the mental collapse of people reading it.

its my understanding that the CFC is attempting to do exactly what you stated, the plan for them is to have a small but efficient group of dedicated nxters jumpstart projects and initiatives in the community with the funds.

we cant just say "ok unique has full reign over all funds let him put all of it where he wants" I'm exaggerating, but we need this committee to do exactly that, without it we wouldn't be able to be considered decentralized.

if anything, if you feel so strongly about how all of this should be set up, I suggest you nominate yourself for the business side, that way you would be able to do exactly what you've stated here in those numbers, but with a little bit of others input on the matter as well.

if anything it feels like your advocating for this committee quite a bit, if it is run smoothly it will do exactly that.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on December 19, 2014, 02:53:45 pm


we cant just say "ok unique has full reign over all funds let him put all of it where he wants" I'm exaggerating, but we need this committee to do exactly that, without it we wouldn't be able to be considered decentralized.

if anything, if you feel so strongly about how all of this should be set up, I suggest you nominate yourself for the business side, that way you would be able to do exactly what you've stated here in those numbers, but with a little bit of others input on the matter as well.


Why do you say retarded shit like: ""ok unique has full reign over all funds let him put all of it where he wants"  ?
I have not asked for a single NXT. Not one. Nada. Zip. Zero. I am asking for the Nxt Foundation (Damelon, Evil Dave etc.) and Nxt Org (Berzerk, Sandylabs etc.) to actively use the funds because these people have proven proactive. The next person who misinterprets this after I have stated it clearly 1000 times  should really consider if they should ever open their mouth in a discussion again.

Like I have illustrated before: there is absolutely no distinction between this committee structure and that of Nxt Foundation and Nxt Organization in relation to decentralization. So why waste so much time and effort to break up two already existing proven successful groups?
This vote is conducted on a privately owned forum where only a fraction of Nxters visit regularly, as proven by the fact that VERY few even saw the thread in the first place. Damelon himself called it an complete failure just yesterday, which was when I again echoed his own goddamn suggestion to perhaps go with the proposal of Berzerk (the one I am advocating) after all.
Like I said: the only way to get this vote to matter  is to issue the post to every single adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to take a vote on the matter. Otherwise it is 100% pseudo-decentralized.

please don't make up bullshit again and force me to have to reply to non-sense
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: apenzl on December 19, 2014, 03:35:14 pm
On topic, the CMC. ;D  And the old ones. How to serve Nxt AND the Nxt community best.

Open up the discussions goddammit. Get back to the open forum, please.

What drives ppl to Slack is the ability to take part in the action. What BCNext did was make proposals and discuss them. Make an announcement, ask for feedback. Listen. Reply. Make it happen.

When BCNext gave Nxt to the community and left for good, ppl were pissed and confused. But the spirit was held alive by being in the same thread, close to the devs, the marketing oriented, the investor, etc. Brainstorming use cases and tech solutions openly in the Monster Thread built this community IMO, and grew the solutions. CfB threw in a game or a dilemma when he was bored, or he thought we were. Suddenly lots of ppl got tipped. Ha! It was the place to be.

Or here, when "we" developed the Nxt corporate design: Offering influence and progress to the community, listening, changing and showing progress kept it relevant.

SN Slack: James makes an announcement. It gets discussed. Someone makes a proposal. It expands. James joins the discussion, supports it or leaves it with a good (or bad) advise to take or leave. Ok, this was a fun day. Get funded, or be part of a good discussion, be appreciated or get wiser.

Greater ideas come from this. It's not that all code must be written in front of everybody of course, or every line in a letter must be discussed, some things clearly need expert knowledge and backstage work. But be a regular, show progress and discuss it, not for a month but a day, it encourages ppl to take part.

I hope whoever ends up in CFC won't just present "finished ideas" or "well thought out products" that needs to be made, or only brainstorm behind the scenes, as this just won't make most out of our decentralized beast. Then it doesn't matter who's in the committee, it's their personal background and goal that leads us. Voted in or not.

It's easy to fall into that backstage trap. I've just done it myself. Will some moderator please assign me a NXTER.ORG subforum, please!!! :)

I like the idea of "doing this for Nxt" but I guess the problem is that the most hardcore Nxt veterans either got worn out or established. They're a part of the starfish already and do what they do best, to Nxt's benefit. And if you don't have a big stake, it isn't attractive. So thumbs up for everyone who nominated themselves so far! I don't see why Nxt Org members won't run for election.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 19, 2014, 03:36:38 pm
Alright, my apologies on the "retarded shit". All personal attacks aside, its counterproductive.

so to clarify, you believe that the funds should be split between existing committees.

others believe there should be another committee to handle this.

this is the current argument, and this argument is a valid and productive one.

I believe that there should be another committee, because the current ones weren't formed to have these funds, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on December 19, 2014, 03:44:17 pm
On topic, the CMC. ;D  And the old ones. How to serve Nxt AND the Nxt community best.

Open up the discussions goddammit. Get back to the open forum, please.

What drives ppl to Slack is the ability to take part in the action. What BCNext did was make proposals and discuss them. Make an announcement, ask for  :-\feedback. Listen. Reply. Make it happen.

When BCNext gave Nxt to the community and left for good, ppl were pissed and confused. But the spirit was held alive by being in the same thread, close to the devs, the marketing oriented, the investor, etc. Brainstorming use cases and tech solutions openly in the Monster Thread built this community IMO, and grew the solutions. CfB threw in a game or a dilemma when he was bored, or he thought we were. Suddenly lots of ppl got tipped. Ha! It was the place to be.

Or here, when "we" developed the Nxt corporate design: Offering influence and progress to the community, listening, changing and showing progress kept it relevant.

SN Slack: James makes an announcement. It gets discussed. Someone makes a proposal. It expands. James joins the discussion, supports it or leaves it with a good (or bad) advise to take or leave. Ok, this was a fun day. Get funded, or be part of a good discussion, be appreciated or get wiser.

Greater ideas come from this. It's not that all code must be written in front of everybody of course, or every line in a letter must be discussed, some things clearly need expert knowledge and backstage work. But be a regular, show progress and discuss it, not for a month but a day, it encourages ppl to take part.

I hope whoever ends up in CFC won't just present "finished ideas" or "well thought out products" that needs to be made, or only brainstorm behind the scenes, as this just won't make most out of our decentralized beast. Then it doesn't matter who's in the committee, it's their personal background and goal that leads us. Voted in or not.

It's easy to fall into that backstage trap. I've just done it myself. Will some moderator please assign me a NXTER.ORG subforum, please!!! :)

I like the idea of "doing this for Nxt" but I guess the problem is that the most hardcore Nxt veterans either got worn out or established. They're a part of the starfish already and do what they do best, to Nxt's benefit. And if you don't have a big stake, it isn't attractive. So thumbs up for everyone who nominated themselves so far! I don't see why Nxt Org members won't run for election.

+1 always a delight apenzl
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on December 19, 2014, 04:21:23 pm
I don't see why Nxt Org members won't run for election.

Oh sorry, it seems like you get it wrong. As I (hopefully understandable) stated I (Berzerk) won't elect. As the "head" or CEO of the NxtOrganization I simply don't have more time to put into Nxt at this point. I can't make enough time free for two groups, as one is already a hard and time intensive job. :)

BUT Rudeboi for example is a NxtOrg member. Dom P was if I remember correctly a NxtOrg member, before I took over.

I thought a little bit more about this whole thing. What do you guys think about a vote token for the NxtOrganization. The problem I see right now is that there are 5 voting tokens. (Chair, Comm, Comm, Tech, Tech). Three of them are out of the NxtFoundation, so the NxtFoundation will be able to always get the upper hand.

I not accuse them, that they would do it. But it is a concern for me. (If these users will get in into the CFC at the end. :) )
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on December 19, 2014, 04:39:54 pm

Oh sorry, it seems like you get it wrong. As I (hopefully understandable) stated I (Berzerk) won't elect. As the "head" or CEO of the NxtOrganization I simply don't have more time to put into Nxt at this point. I can't make enough time free for two groups, as one is already a hard and time intensive job. :)

BUT Rudeboi for example is a NxtOrg member. Dom P was if I remember correctly a NxtOrg member, before I took over.

I thought a little bit more about this whole thing. What do you guys think about a vote token for the NxtOrganization. The problem I see right now is that there are 5 voting tokens. (Chair, Comm, Comm, Tech, Tech). Three of them are out of the NxtFoundation, so the NxtFoundation will be able to always get the upper hand.

I not accuse them, that they would do it. But it is a concern for me. (If these users will get in into the CFC at the end. :) )

There hasn't been any voting for CFC members yet. Seems to be 9 people going for the 5 voting positions at the moment. If members of the forum trust Nxt Foundation members by voting them in, then so be it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: rudeboi on December 19, 2014, 07:27:52 pm
Glad we are back on topic.

I doubt I would have enough time to be an active voting member on the CFC, as I already sit on the Nxt Org. Hence why I nominated myself for treasurer as would have enough time for that.

As long as the end result means proposals don't get ignored anymore then I'm all for whatever the outcome is.

For me our focus should be easy accessibility and raising awareness for Q1 2015.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: chanc3r on December 19, 2014, 09:51:29 pm
What has happened to this community?

This proposal was simple - it has been debated in 2 threads already and people voted to simplify the committees and put the NXT under 1 committee and put it to work. In theory the committees could just vote to reorganise themselves and consolidate the funds anyway but this seemed a better route - now I'm beginning to wonder.

Now I come into the forum to read a thread thats supposed to be about nominations to be full of personal attacks, competition between different groups in NXT getting an 'upper hand'..

This is missing the point - this doesn't get us any closer to putting this to money to work.

What the committee does will be public so any bias in its operation will be visible, and if there is truly someone in the community who is going to put NXT back up in the top 5 then they can obtain funding from a committee with the funds and the generic remit to support them.

So please can we get back on topic of putting together a committee and dissolving the 3 that we have - the sooner we do this the better.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: emule on December 19, 2014, 11:39:54 pm
James, Uniqueorn,

I understand you too deeply disagree on many things, but it probably would help this thread if you didn't fill it up with personal attacks that have little to do with CFC.

Thanks ;)
sorry, I feel much better now, refilled my crack pipe

yeah do that and be happy,

at the end your the one who destroyed nxt single handed, with all your fantasy side project that leads nowhere
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: _mr_e on December 20, 2014, 03:45:21 am
James, Uniqueorn,

I understand you too deeply disagree on many things, but it probably would help this thread if you didn't fill it up with personal attacks that have little to do with CFC.

Thanks ;)
sorry, I feel much better now, refilled my crack pipe

yeah do that and be happy,

at the end your the one who destroyed nxt single handed, with all your fantasy side project that leads nowhere

Da fuq!?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: buybitcoinscanada on December 20, 2014, 05:20:59 am
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Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on December 20, 2014, 09:28:17 am

Those who can't do, talk.


James is a frontiersman who dares tread where others do not, for fear of danger and repurcussion. This is the exploration and discovery of our freedoms just as much as in the undiscovered world. Trolls like emule are the worst of the people in our society as those who fear mongered of ventures into the unknown in the pages of history. And just the same, the frontiersmen will be revered with glory and respect as revolutionaries, and the heckling non-doers will be scoffed at as archaic relics completely useless bastards.

Tldr: history has a way of dealing with the emules of the world.

+10 to BBC, and here is the current nomination situation:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Anyone else want in ? Particularly for the chair/spokesperson slot..... :o

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Peter2516 on December 20, 2014, 11:21:10 am
Looks good to me :)
But what do I know...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 20, 2014, 09:53:01 pm
I don't see why Nxt Org members won't run for election.

Oh sorry, it seems like you get it wrong. As I (hopefully understandable) stated I (Berzerk) won't elect. As the "head" or CEO of the NxtOrganization I simply don't have more time to put into Nxt at this point. I can't make enough time free for two groups, as one is already a hard and time intensive job. :)

BUT Rudeboi for example is a NxtOrg member. Dom P was if I remember correctly a NxtOrg member, before I took over.

I thought a little bit more about this whole thing. What do you guys think about a vote token for the NxtOrganization. The problem I see right now is that there are 5 voting tokens. (Chair, Comm, Comm, Tech, Tech). Three of them are out of the NxtFoundation, so the NxtFoundation will be able to always get the upper hand.

I not accuse them, that they would do it. But it is a concern for me. (If these users will get in into the CFC at the end. :) )

Then I suggest you discuss this within NxtOrg to nominate NxtOrg itself, just like I did with CFA Consulting.
So it wouldn't be you alone but the whole group, and you'd be sharing the amount of work between several people.

That's why I applied for treasurer (It doesn't take much time to manage that, only to be trusted), and, since I wanted to help further but couldn't commit to the amount of work, I discussed this with my partners at CFA, and we decided we could do a group effort.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on December 21, 2014, 11:33:45 am

Those who can't do, talk.


James is a frontiersman who dares tread where others do not, for fear of danger and repurcussion. This is the exploration and discovery of our freedoms just as much as in the undiscovered world. Trolls like emule are the worst of the people in our society as those who fear mongered of ventures into the unknown in the pages of history. And just the same, the frontiersmen will be revered with glory and respect as revolutionaries, and the heckling non-doers will be scoffed at as archaic relics completely useless bastards.

Tldr: history has a way of dealing with the emules of the world.

+10 to BBC, and here is the current nomination situation:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Anyone else want in ? Particularly for the chair/spokesperson slot..... :o

Looks good to me. That should be enough to form a sensible committee although I still think 8 positions are too much. I would prefer a more leaner structure: 1 Chair, 1 Tech, 1 Comm, 1 Tres. But maybe that is just me and my experience with the existing committees. There were at almost always the same 3 people really active and the other 2 dormant.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on December 21, 2014, 04:31:40 pm
Looks good to me. That should be enough to form a sensible committee although I still think 8 positions are too much. I would prefer a more leaner structure: 1 Chair, 1 Tech, 1 Comm, 1 Tres. But maybe that is just me and my experience with the existing committees. There were at almost always the same 3 people really active and the other 2 dormant.
Actually, that leaves the possibility to be sick, more busy than usual, on vacation, unskilled for a specific subject, etc.
But I understand your concern.
Maybe a possibility to address both needs would be to have, for each position (apart from treasurer), a main member, and a substitute ?
 
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on December 21, 2014, 04:39:39 pm
Looks good to me. That should be enough to form a sensible committee although I still think 8 positions are too much. I would prefer a more leaner structure: 1 Chair, 1 Tech, 1 Comm, 1 Tres. But maybe that is just me and my experience with the existing committees. There were at almost always the same 3 people really active and the other 2 dormant.
Actually, that leaves the possibility to be sick, more busy than usual, on vacation, unskilled for a specific subject, etc.
But I understand your concern.
Maybe a possibility to address both needs would be to have, for each position (apart from treasurer), a main member, and a substitute ?

Looks good to me. Let us see how Damelon will incorporate that suggestion in the final voting post.

I remember we need yet another voting round to determine who really is in.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Cassius on December 23, 2014, 01:50:20 pm
Thought I'd bump this thread :)
I'm happy to be involved in principle, though remain a little concerned about balancing various NXT-related commitments (and life-in-general commitments). But this is the kind of thing that the better it's done, the less time it should take. A few other points, possibly mutually contradictory but I'll let someone else worry about that:

1) I don't see a problem with conflicts of interest. Everyone has a conflict of interest. This is a group of people who are highly motivated and involved in NXT. If they didn't have fingers in other pies I'd be concerned. Their respective pies will also give them unique insights into the needs and quirks of the NXT ecosystem. This is not like politicians having part-time work in the private sector. It's a strength.

2) Obviously if 7/8 committee members were involved in SuperNET, for example, that would be an issue. That's the point of it being a committee, to gain a range of perspectives and accountability without centralising around any one of them. So long as the committee has the right breadth of members (or members who are self-aware and honest enough to recognise their potential biases) it will be fine.

3) I favour the idea of a lean, fast-moving committee - perhaps with members and seconds, so if one person cannot be reached within, say, 24 hours, their second can take the vote.

4) I'm going to be unplugging for a few days down in the Westcountry, starting tomorrow. Happy Christmas, everyone. Lots of hard work has been done by lots of very capable people, and it's great to be a part of it all.

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: fumanchu808 on December 24, 2014, 01:57:35 pm
2015 should be an exciting year for everyone here.

In the meantime, Happy Holidays. Kiss your loved ones, be thankful for all the opportunity we've been afforded, and let's rally for massive progress in the coming months and weeks.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on January 08, 2015, 01:44:25 am
Kick.......
*walks away, whistling innocently*
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: jones on January 08, 2015, 05:29:06 am
Kick.......
*walks away, whistling innocently*

haha, yeah the holidays have ended and brought with it a freshly fueled bunch of nxters with ms right around the corner.

as I remember we left off with a sizeable amount of nominees for this committee and some mostly constructive argument about whether it is the best idea.

jones' plan: refer people over here for like two more days just in case anyone wants a last second nomination, then continue on with the vote,but the vote raises a point.

1. Do we just make a nxtforum poll (I've heard it stated that these aren't conclusive to the whole nxt community)
2. Wait like a month for VS on the blockchain
3. Something else

MS could greatly benefit with some CFC delegating project to come on the scene, hope it can get together.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: rudeboi on January 08, 2015, 08:18:17 am

Kick.......
*walks away, whistling innocently*

haha, yeah the holidays have ended and brought with it a freshly fueled bunch of nxters with ms right around the corner.

as I remember we left off with a sizeable amount of nominees for this committee and some mostly constructive argument about whether it is the best idea.

jones' plan: refer people over here for like two more days just in case anyone wants a last second nomination, then continue on with the vote,but the vote raises a point.

1. Do we just make a nxtforum poll (I've heard it stated that these aren't conclusive to the whole nxt community)
2. Wait like a month for VS on the blockchain
3. Something else

MS could greatly benefit with some CFC delegating project to come on the scene, hope it can get together.

Nice kick EvilDave.

Do a Nxt forum poll, we need these funds to become live.

Voting can always be used to change members going forward. I suggest it is initially put forward as an interim period fir example 3 months. Then re vote
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on January 08, 2015, 08:24:09 am
Kick.......
*walks away, whistling innocently*

haha, yeah the holidays have ended and brought with it a freshly fueled bunch of nxters with ms right around the corner.

as I remember we left off with a sizeable amount of nominees for this committee and some mostly constructive argument about whether it is the best idea.

jones' plan: refer people over here for like two more days just in case anyone wants a last second nomination, then continue on with the vote,but the vote raises a point.

1. Do we just make a nxtforum poll (I've heard it stated that these aren't conclusive to the whole nxt community)
2. Wait like a month for VS on the blockchain
3. Something else

MS could greatly benefit with some CFC delegating project to come on the scene, hope it can get together.

That sounds like a good idea!
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: fumanchu808 on January 10, 2015, 11:38:27 am
Is there an agreed upon time table for forming the new committee as of yet?

I'm exploring a rather lucrative opportunity (a blockchain based media platform) in the legacy markets but I am still very interested in contributing whatever experience and expertise I can to the CFC, if called upon to do so.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on January 10, 2015, 12:54:33 pm
I am still here also - let's get together tomorrow or Monday on slack!
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on January 11, 2015, 02:47:37 pm

Those who can't do, talk.


James is a frontiersman who dares tread where others do not, for fear of danger and repurcussion. This is the exploration and discovery of our freedoms just as much as in the undiscovered world. Trolls like emule are the worst of the people in our society as those who fear mongered of ventures into the unknown in the pages of history. And just the same, the frontiersmen will be revered with glory and respect as revolutionaries, and the heckling non-doers will be scoffed at as archaic relics completely useless bastards.

Tldr: history has a way of dealing with the emules of the world.

+10 to BBC, and here is the current nomination situation:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Anyone else want in ? Particularly for the chair/spokesperson slot..... :o

So, this is the list we have now.
I think we won't get any more people, or otherwise they already would have applied.

Now, how to do voting?
Last time, rickyjames used Electionbuddy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5568236#msg5568236

However, I can also see that we would like to go to votes quickly and the pool is very small.

Let's break it down:

For Tech
Jones
jl777
ChuckOne

Commerce
fumanchu
Damelon
CFA

Treasurer:
Dom P
Rudeboi
Pouncer

Chair
EvilDave
Damelon

Secretary:
Cassius (confirmed on Skype)

Wildcard:
l8orre

This is a VERY small pool to go to vote with.
We could also decide to make these people the committee and leave it at that. This would give is 3 people on each discrete part (Tech and Commerce), three treasurers.

We could also see if candidates are willing to drop out.

What are people's ideas on this?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Cassius on January 11, 2015, 02:58:00 pm
As I've said, I favour a small, lean and (ideally very) fast-moving committee. So long as there is a cross-section of experienced and respected members, I think the fewer the better.
What we have here isn't bad, but it doesn't take many people to be away to let decisions drag on. The thing with freebieservers demonstrated that pretty well.
What about the members/seconds idea, where if the first person in a division (tech, accounting etc) doesn't reply within 24 hours, the second steps up?
Don't want to kick this thing around any longer than we have to, but let's get it right :)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on January 11, 2015, 03:20:50 pm

Those who can't do, talk.


James is a frontiersman who dares tread where others do not, for fear of danger and repurcussion. This is the exploration and discovery of our freedoms just as much as in the undiscovered world. Trolls like emule are the worst of the people in our society as those who fear mongered of ventures into the unknown in the pages of history. And just the same, the frontiersmen will be revered with glory and respect as revolutionaries, and the heckling non-doers will be scoffed at as archaic relics completely useless bastards.

Tldr: history has a way of dealing with the emules of the world.

+10 to BBC, and here is the current nomination situation:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Anyone else want in ? Particularly for the chair/spokesperson slot..... :o

So, this is the list we have now.
I think we won't get any more people, or otherwise they already would have applied.

Now, how to do voting?
Last time, rickyjames used Electionbuddy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5568236#msg5568236

However, I can also see that we would like to go to votes quickly and the pool is very small.

Let's break it down:

For Tech
Jones
jl777
ChuckOne

Commerce
fumanchu
Damelon
CFA

Treasurer:
Dom P
Rudeboi
Pouncer

Chair
EvilDave
Damelon

Secretary:
Cassius (confirmed on Skype)

Wildcard:
l8orre

This is a VERY small pool to go to vote with.
We could also decide to make these people the committee and leave it at that. This would give is 3 people on each discrete part (Tech and Commerce), three treasurers.

We could also see if candidates are willing to drop out.

What are people's ideas on this?

Much better to have voting, then not. Lends an authority to the committee and gives a choice to the community.

If voting is going to be a pain, could just wait for the Voting release, due in the next few weeks, I believe.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: VanBreuk on January 11, 2015, 08:34:11 pm
We have a way to make voting relatively simple, if you want.

There was a discontinued SMF modification to allow for multiple polls, each with separate options, in the same topic. I've made a customized update for SMF 2.0.9 and the NxtForum Core template ( preview in test SMF (http://nxtspain.org/forum/index.php?topic=2.0) ).

I can install it here and prepare a multi-multiple choice poll to vote the CFC members.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 11, 2015, 09:22:06 pm
As I've said, I favour a small, lean and (ideally very) fast-moving committee. So long as there is a cross-section of experienced and respected members, I think the fewer the better.
What we have here isn't bad, but it doesn't take many people to be away to let decisions drag on. The thing with freebieservers demonstrated that pretty well.
What about the members/seconds idea, where if the first person in a division (tech, accounting etc) doesn't reply within 24 hours, the second steps up?
Don't want to kick this thing around any longer than we have to, but let's get it right :)
I like this approach.
We could even have a main member, then subsidiary #1 and subsidiary #2.
If main member doesn't answer fast, question is asked to subsidiary #1 and #2. The first to answer is right.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on January 11, 2015, 11:22:34 pm
As I've said, I favour a small, lean and (ideally very) fast-moving committee. So long as there is a cross-section of experienced and respected members, I think the fewer the better.
What we have here isn't bad, but it doesn't take many people to be away to let decisions drag on. The thing with freebieservers demonstrated that pretty well.
What about the members/seconds idea, where if the first person in a division (tech, accounting etc) doesn't reply within 24 hours, the second steps up?
Don't want to kick this thing around any longer than we have to, but let's get it right :)

I agree. Fewer are more efficient. We already have the mandate description that forces activity; there is nothing necessary to have something like a second and first.

Let us vote and be done with it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: EvilDave on January 11, 2015, 11:46:27 pm
Good to see some action here. ;D

I've been doing some thinking (bad habit) : we have a dev team to be paid out of the funds that we currently hold. Unless a whale drops some serious donations, we have to support Nxt with the community funds for the forseeable future. We aren't exactly rich just yet.....
According to some rough numbers myself and Damelon came up with, devs are costing us around 400,000 NXT per month. The implication of this is that if we are to pay the dev team for the following year, pretty much all of the community funds will have to go there, leaving only a couple of million, at most, for other activities.

If there are only a couple of million NXT free to be used on marketing and other activities....we need to either be very cautious about saving what we have, or find other sources of revenue for the Community Funds.

I'm posting this here, btw, because I think it kind of changes the role of the CFC, once you realise how little extra cash we do have to play with right now.
An idea I threw out to Damelon yesterday was that we make the CFC purely responsible for cost management for devs and core NXT development, and put all marketing and non-core activities in the hands of the community, NXT-based businesses, NXT Foundation and NXT Organisation.

In a nutshell: CFC looks after Infrastructure and Technical development. Marketing is put in the hands (and pockets) of everyone else......
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on January 11, 2015, 11:51:00 pm
Good to see some action here. ;D

I've been doing some thinking (bad habit) : we have a dev team to be paid out of the funds that we currently hold. Unless a whale drops some serious donations, we have to support Nxt with the community funds for the forseeable future. We aren't exactly rich just yet.....
According to some rough numbers myself and Damelon came up with, devs are costing us around 400,000 NXT per month. The implication of this is that if we are to pay the dev team for the following year, pretty much all of the community funds will have to go there, leaving only a couple of million, at most, for other activities.

If there are only a couple of million NXT free to be used on marketing and other activities....we need to either be very cautious about saving what we have, or find other sources of revenue for the Community Funds.

I'm posting this here, btw, because I think it kind of changes the role of the CFC, once you realise how little extra cash we do have to play with right now.
An idea I threw out to Damelon yesterday was that we make the CFC purely responsible for cost management for devs and core NXT development, and put all marketing and non-core activities in the hands of the community, NXT-based businesses, NXT Foundation and NXT Organisation.

In a nutshell: CFC looks after Infrastructure and Technical development. Marketing is put in the hands (and pockets) of everyone else......

I think you can imagine how I think about this proposal: +1440

However, we already have nominations and so on...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on January 11, 2015, 11:55:51 pm
Yup, I agree completely with that plan.

Better to not dilute the funds over several activities.

Half done is not done at all.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: valarmg on January 12, 2015, 12:05:08 am

In a nutshell: CFC looks after Infrastructure and Technical development. Marketing is put in the hands (and pockets) of everyone else......

You could have core development as a priority, but give CFC some flexibility. Nxt might be worth a lot more in 6 months, then there'll be more funds to play with.

But I agree with paying devs above all else.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 12, 2015, 05:59:46 am
I think nobody can tell how much money we'll have in six months.
In my opinion, Nxt has touched a bottom and is probably set to go up for a while.
And then, I think it should be the task of the marketing committee to find alternate ways to finance its projects.
Finding win-win situations where were we can throw in some work, tools, or infrastructure instead of money is a possibility.
We could also lend moeny instead of giving it away.
Maybe by then we'll have  a few succesfull businesses that coud make some donations.
And so on...

So let's not plan we're running out of funds, because we just don't know. I'd rather plan for success.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: pfmadic on January 12, 2015, 06:25:10 am
do we need one? the less centralised the better right?

not sure spending on marketing is the right path to take, end of the day people will advertise the platform if they believe in it... what needs to be addressed are any legitimate concerns with the platform, anything that is causing would-be adopters to not take the plunge

distribution is probably the issue i keep reading about



Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 12, 2015, 07:41:35 am
do we need one? the less centralised the better right?
Decentralization is a mean, not a goal.

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not sure spending on marketing is the right path to take, end of the day people will advertise the platform if they believe in it... what needs to be addressed are any legitimate concerns with the platform, anything that is causing would-be adopters to not take the plunge
That has be talked about before. You're a bit late for this debate.

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distribution is probably the issue i keep reading about
That's why we need communication
There are other issues as well. When we talk to people from the crypto scene, most of the time, they are surprised at what can be done with Nxt.
We are extremely good technically, but noone knows it.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: pfmadic on January 12, 2015, 08:00:06 am
is the committee a temporary measure to orderly disperse community funds? thats fair enough

i agree nxt is technically better than bitcoin but thats irrelevant without adoption right

i just see a narrowing window of opportunity here, it seems to me people are still hung up on distribution, i think that beast will need to be slayed before nxt ii comes along

anyway don't want to derail this thread, just my 2c
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on January 12, 2015, 10:13:57 am
Can the treasurer please specify how they will secure the funds. I don't want to see a kLee here. :)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 12, 2015, 11:13:30 am
is the committee a temporary measure to orderly disperse community funds? thats fair enough
No. To do that, no need for a committee.

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Can the treasurer please specify how they will secure the funds. I don't want to see a kLee here. :)
As one of the current teasurers, I can tell you how I do it:
1. From a secure machine, I run a virtual machine.
2. In that VM, I run another secure OS, secured with different tools.
3. From that VM, I run the client.
4. The passphrase is stored through different systems, and remains incomplete (I have to add characters to it)
5. That VM is present on two different physical machines, so if one fails, I still have the other
6. The passphrase (minus the secret characters) is written on paper and safely stored where trusted people can find it if I die.
7. This whole system is NOT saved anywhere on Internet.
8. The physical machines get their network access through 2 NATs so direct attacks are quite hard to set up.


Edit: I forgot to say that the VM is exclusively used for secure cryptocurrencies related business.


Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Pouncer on January 12, 2015, 11:44:56 am
NXTtechdevfund Account NXT-R54H-5CST-CAQ7-24SB2 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoE8nAOEMIa7dFFnWjRNYTM4RkhsN3dRRXFBaTBiaHc#gid=5) is currently secured by a dedicated machine used for NXT and nothing else. Passphrase for this account is secured by LastPass with Grid Multifactor Authentication and its login credentials & backed up data is stored in a dedicated Aegis Secure USB Key (http://www.apricorn.com/products/hardware-encrypted-drives/aegis-secure-key.html) with AES 256-bit CBC Hardware Encryption. This dedicated machine also stores an encrypted document file containing the NXT account passphrase. Password for this file is known to other existing treasurers (neer.g & Damelon), who will be sent this encrypted file via email by one of my family members if I die before the fund runs out. Family members do not have the password to this file.

At the time I volunteered to continue (https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/new-community-funds-committee-(cfc)-members-self-nomination-thread/msg141337/#msg141337), it was when we did not have enough treasurers. Since we have sufficient now I could withdraw if we want to avoid any elections.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Uniqueorn on January 12, 2015, 12:12:29 pm
Honestly, let's just get some shit going... We've spent more time and energy debating the usage of these funds than actually improving Nxt
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ThomasVeil on January 12, 2015, 02:58:39 pm
Honestly, let's just get some shit going... We've spent more time and energy debating the usage of these funds than actually improving Nxt

+1440
If we really have the same price in a year and no one was willing to donate, then something went wrong anyways.

Are there currently projects stuck because the funds are not moving?
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 12, 2015, 03:24:12 pm
Are there currently projects stuck because the funds are not moving?
Kind of...
We had an ad on Bitcoinist.net
The new committee needs to decide if it's worth our money.
There are a few other projects we need to talk about also.

Let's start voting to get things done...
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on January 12, 2015, 03:27:27 pm
Bitcoinist has a higher click rate than the CMC ads. :)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on January 13, 2015, 04:51:35 pm
So, how do we do this?

I am going to throw out a plan and hopefully a finished plan will emerge:

- Vote using the new plugin that VanBreuk proposed.
- We keep the list of choices like this
- We vote for Primary and backup members
- 1 place per focus group on the committee, so

Chair
1 x Tech
1 x Business
1 x Secretary
2 x Treasurer (redundacy is healthy here, I think)

Then the rest become backups for the respective part they applied for.

Simple majorities will do.

How does this sound? Input welcome, but please keep it constructive.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Cassius on January 13, 2015, 04:56:45 pm
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Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: ChuckOne on January 13, 2015, 04:58:53 pm
So, how do we do this?

I am going to throw out a plan and hopefully a finished plan will emerge:

- Vote using the new plugin that VanBreuk proposed.
- We keep the list of choices like this
- We vote for Primary and backup members
- 1 place per focus group on the committee, so

Chair
1 x Tech
1 x Business
1 x Secretary
2 x Treasurer (redundacy is healthy here, I think)

Then the rest become backups for the respective part they applied for.

Simple majorities will do.

How does this sound? Input welcome, but please keep it constructive.

Sounds good. Let's get started.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: VanBreuk on January 13, 2015, 05:03:41 pm
Ok, give me around an hour to do the changes in the poll system. Fasten your seatbelts.

No, I'm joking. It will be fine.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 13, 2015, 06:12:05 pm
That's sounds like a perfect plan
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: rudeboi on January 14, 2015, 07:35:26 am
:)
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on January 15, 2015, 08:03:53 am

how about some ideas regarding organizational structures, like:

one meeting every two weeks, max two hours, proposals for vote yes/no, proceed?

or alternating time slots due to time zone considerations, or weekends that serves most?

I guess if everybody knew how much time to allot and when would be good.

And no endless discussions and nitpicking, second guessing and time consuming back and forth..
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: DoM P on January 15, 2015, 08:48:17 am

how about some ideas regarding organizational structures, like:

one meeting every two weeks, max two hours, proposals for vote yes/no, proceed?

or alternating time slots due to time zone considerations, or weekends that serves most?

I guess if everybody knew how much time to allot and when would be good.

And no endless discussions and nitpicking, second guessing and time consuming back and forth..
That could be done, indeed.
But if those meetings were preceded by written chats, that would save some time, I think.
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: LocoMB on January 15, 2015, 08:50:30 am

yes s.t. like that so that it would only be neccessary to vote on funding proposals
Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Damelon on January 15, 2015, 01:58:22 pm
THE VOTE IS UP!

https://nxtforum.org/nxt-community-votes/nxt-community-funding-committee-vote/

Title: Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
Post by: Berzerk on January 15, 2015, 02:13:16 pm
Finally. Thank you. :)
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