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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #60 on: December 18, 2014, 03:30:05 pm »

@MrV777:

No problemo, mate, we're a very de-centralised Foundation  ;D
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #61 on: December 18, 2014, 03:31:20 pm »

I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2014, 03:39:55 pm »

Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #63 on: December 18, 2014, 03:46:32 pm »

Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I am not being negative towards Nxt technology or Nxt in an isolated view. But I am seeing the bigger picture of crypto and Nxts place within said picture and to me it's not looking good. I would be delighted, absolutely delighted to be proven wrong, as that would mean I am set for life. But I am able to ignore my own wishful-thinking biases and look at the facts:

Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up


I also know of some really good news for Nxt that will be coming out in the next weeks, including some really cool projects that has sprung up recently by genius minds, but my thinking has been proven right for a year, so I don't expect it to suddenly shift unless we actually DO something about it, no. Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward. Like I said in that other post, if we manage to get some wind back in our sails that could cause a positive snowballing effect for Nxt. But this wont happen just because we have some cool technology. Nxt has had the best platform for a year, no one really gives a shit about that. This is just how reality works. Like I said on the good old next forum owned by Graviton last December:

"There is a Mozart playing the piano in his basement somewhere that you'll never be aware of, yet everyone has heard of Justin Bieber"


Marketing = adoption, adoption = growth
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #64 on: December 18, 2014, 04:35:35 pm »

I think in the long run NXT has 2 options to survive:

1.) Adopt a MS currency with huge user base & fair distribution and spread it into the world
2.) Refocus from cryptocurrency to service provider. This means focusing much more on AE and stuff like that and allow other, successful currencies to allow our service.

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #65 on: December 18, 2014, 04:44:02 pm »

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

No we don't. Nxt distribution is similar to Litecoin, no? Probably better than most altcoins. What about ripple-- how much percent is in the companies hands, and how is that hurting ripple's price now? Nxt's distribution is probably better than bitcoin's was after a year. Seems that because Nxt FUDsters keep repeating the mantra about distribution, others start to believe it.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #66 on: December 18, 2014, 04:45:04 pm »

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

Every one has their opinion on this, but please don't start up this discussion in this thread too  :-\
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #67 on: December 18, 2014, 04:53:22 pm »

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

Every one has their opinion on this, but please don't start up this discussion in this thread too  :-\

My post was mainly about the 2 points what NXT can do. The distribution was just a side comment.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2014, 04:54:47 pm »

Not at all. :)

My post was not meant as "you don't know what you are talking about", just as clarification.

We chóóse not to mention the Foundation, because we do not see ourselves as representing the community. Before you know it, you become some kind of official body with a mandate. We don't want that. We want to represent Nxt in a way we think is effective, not to be a group that pretends to speak for all. At the most we speak for ourselves and the people we happen to plug or who at that moment agree with us.

So we talk as ourselves in here, because most actions come from our own passion for choosing certain topics to deal with.

The Foundation is just a name for the outside world that enables us to do that. It's a means to an end, nothing more :)

No harm done, because it's our own silence that made it difficult to see. I did want to point it out because you asked.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2014, 04:56:14 pm »

Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward.

So the Nxt should be given directly to anyone who thinks they know how to spend it for the good of Nxt? So if another few Nxters banded together today, put up a website and came up with a fancy name, they should get an equal share of Nxt with the Foundation and Nxt Org? What about another two groups? Maybe the MGW team know how to spend to improve Nxt? Maybe DoM P's group do?

If you think you should be trusted to spend money, then why not put your name forward for election to this committee? Or if you have great ideas, you can just put them to the committee after it is elected, and you should have no problem being funded, so it should end up the same difference, no.

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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #70 on: December 18, 2014, 05:15:26 pm »



Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up



A lot of discussion moved to slack in case you have missed it. We have gained a lot of longterm users in the past weeks with SuperNET.

Which competitors are up? Bitcoin? Litecoin? Dogecoin? Darkcoin? Monero? Blackcoin? XC? Vericoin?

You should not forget that the nxt prices suffer from the NXT AE projects like Jinn, mining assets.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #71 on: December 18, 2014, 08:23:44 pm »

Which is why I advocate for giving the Nxt DIRECTLY to those that can and more importantly WANT to push Nxt forward.

So the Nxt should be given directly to anyone who thinks they know how to spend it for the good of Nxt? So if another few Nxters banded together today, put up a website and came up with a fancy name, they should get an equal share of Nxt with the Foundation and Nxt Org? What about another two groups? Maybe the MGW team know how to spend to improve Nxt? Maybe DoM P's group do?

Ugh, why do people CHOOSE to misinterpret and misunderstand just to argue?

"If a few other Nxters", inside the Nxt foundation and Nxt organization are people who all have worked on NXT the longest and hardest. And like I just said: the groups are obviously open ( at least Nxt Org is and Nxt Foundation was when formed ) to accepting in new members. DoM P was actually invited and chose to be a non-partisan member, so yea he's covered too.
 
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If you think you should be trusted to spend money, then why not put your name forward for election to this committee? Or if you have great ideas, you can just put them to the committee after it is elected, and you should have no problem being funded, so it should end up the same difference, no.

I stepped down from the organization 2 months ago due to the fact that I have other obligations that take up all my time, so again your question doesn't apply to me at all.
The point here is that it's better to get shit done than not, pretty simple concept you should be able to wrap your head around.


A lot of discussion moved to slack in case you have missed it. We have gained a lot of longterm users in the past weeks with SuperNET.

Which competitors are up? Bitcoin? Litecoin? Dogecoin? Darkcoin? Monero? Blackcoin? XC? Vericoin?


I have not missed it, I say look at the overall data.
And competitors up = yes pretty much every other project has been able to bootstrap and establish themselves. NXT had an unprescedented window of oppourtunity as a first-mover in the 2.0 space, we did not capitalize on it. As a consequence we are ranked #14 on volume, which is the most important metric.

I cannot fathom how anyone can look at the evolution of NXT in the last 6 months and think "Oh we're doing well"
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #72 on: December 18, 2014, 08:26:55 pm »

We all know that NXT distribution is too shitty

No we don't. Nxt distribution is similar to Litecoin, no? Probably better than most altcoins. What about ripple-- how much percent is in the companies hands, and how is that hurting ripple's price now? Nxt's distribution is probably better than bitcoin's was after a year. Seems that because Nxt FUDsters keep repeating the mantra about distribution, others start to believe it.

I wont go into a big discussion about the distribution problem as that is a skeleton horse at this point, what I will say though is that this perception and opinion of NXT was formed 1 year ago and has not let go. This is like Malaysian Airlines, their flights are not more prone to accidents than any other airline, yet due to the perception of others they got fucked hardcore. Marketing101
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2014, 08:34:28 pm »


I do apply for pain in the ass, so vote me in...
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2014, 08:37:08 pm »

Unique:
Jesus, mate, could you be much more negative ?
Apart from the price (which isn't all that bad, considering the state of crypto) I'm seeing Nxt in a good positon right now.......we have the technology, we have a load of good projects running on Nxt, with more coming up. Our reputation within the crypto world is at an all time high, and MS is about to make a lot of alts completely obsolete.

I really can't see how you can justify your post, we are in a strong position right now.

I want 2k of the same shit you r smoking, but hey you are at the source
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #75 on: December 18, 2014, 08:47:42 pm »

Nxt AE has 60,000 trades does any other platform come close to that?

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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #76 on: December 18, 2014, 08:52:43 pm »

Users = down
Developers = down
Marketers = down
Price = down
Volume = down
Competitors = up

Please, stop talking about BTC that way.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #77 on: December 18, 2014, 08:54:49 pm »

Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything.





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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #78 on: December 18, 2014, 09:04:38 pm »

Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything.






Yes, this hightlights exactly what I am saying: we are this isolated island. There is activity within the NXT ecosystem, but there is little new blood coming in and so the situation remains the same.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #79 on: December 18, 2014, 09:21:02 pm »

I will concentrate on the NxtOrganization, as I think people can't put in a significant amount of time and work into several businesses/groups/ventures.

Therefore I mostly stay out of this discussion, as people mostly want to benefit themselves.

As far as I remembered, the members are getting paid. How much? How often? Hourly based or project based? Also, there still need to be a vote held on the self nominated members here. Else it would be just a minority (by 1 person, the self nominated user) decision.


For me the best option is the splitting of 25% for NxtOrg, 25% NxtFoundation and 50% for developers held by pouncer and neer.g. New group formations always take a long time until they really take of. The two already established groups (NxtOrg&NxtFound) are here already and working. Why take the risk of another group, which might not work at all?

This is my opinion and not the opinion of the NxtOrg. :)
I will work without any pay for this.

I am against pre-allocating any funds to any private groups. the committee should evaluate any and all external and internal proposals and decide on a case by case basis.

James

Why do you keep using this misleading terminology and referring to NxtFoundation and NxtOrganization as "private groups" as if this committee structure is different? NxtOrg has opened it's doors to anyone on this forum numerous times, we are IDENTICALLY open as this committee structure. Unless someone sends a message to every adress on the blockchain and use Voting System to decide, it would be impossible to draw a distinction between what is happening in this committee vs the organization vs the foundation.


And while I share your concern for the long term development of the platform Nxt, more importantly is actually the fact that very few people use Nxt. Nxt has a lot of great technology, which is why projects like yours and mine use it, but unless we manage to capture new people from OUTSIDE Nxt, it wont matter. Ignore the crash and burnt value and volume of Nxt, Just check the forum stats, check the blockchain stats, check google analytics stats. The conclusion is not even up for discussion: Nxt is dying. There is a reason this committee project, like Damelon put it, ended up a total failure: no one cares anymore. Just a few months back when we started Nxt Organization there was a ton of people engaged in the debate and people signing up, this does not happen anymore.


Having the best technology does not mean jack shit, adoption is everything. There are numerous examples of sub-par technology having monopolies simply due to adoption vs superior technologies not having any users. Nxt became yet another such example. I've been saying this since day 1 and nothing has changed. Nxt is infected with this idiotic mindstate and doesn't change and consequently doesn't grow. Developers, marketers, users, everyone is abandoning Nxt at a steady rate. Unless something radically changes in the next 3 months I predict Nxt is dead by May
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