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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #140 on: January 08, 2015, 08:24:09 am »

Kick.......
*walks away, whistling innocently*

haha, yeah the holidays have ended and brought with it a freshly fueled bunch of nxters with ms right around the corner.

as I remember we left off with a sizeable amount of nominees for this committee and some mostly constructive argument about whether it is the best idea.

jones' plan: refer people over here for like two more days just in case anyone wants a last second nomination, then continue on with the vote,but the vote raises a point.

1. Do we just make a nxtforum poll (I've heard it stated that these aren't conclusive to the whole nxt community)
2. Wait like a month for VS on the blockchain
3. Something else

MS could greatly benefit with some CFC delegating project to come on the scene, hope it can get together.

That sounds like a good idea!
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #141 on: January 10, 2015, 11:38:27 am »

Is there an agreed upon time table for forming the new committee as of yet?

I'm exploring a rather lucrative opportunity (a blockchain based media platform) in the legacy markets but I am still very interested in contributing whatever experience and expertise I can to the CFC, if called upon to do so.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #142 on: January 10, 2015, 12:54:33 pm »

I am still here also - let's get together tomorrow or Monday on slack!
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2015, 02:47:37 pm »


Those who can't do, talk.


James is a frontiersman who dares tread where others do not, for fear of danger and repurcussion. This is the exploration and discovery of our freedoms just as much as in the undiscovered world. Trolls like emule are the worst of the people in our society as those who fear mongered of ventures into the unknown in the pages of history. And just the same, the frontiersmen will be revered with glory and respect as revolutionaries, and the heckling non-doers will be scoffed at as archaic relics completely useless bastards.

Tldr: history has a way of dealing with the emules of the world.

+10 to BBC, and here is the current nomination situation:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Anyone else want in ? Particularly for the chair/spokesperson slot..... :o

So, this is the list we have now.
I think we won't get any more people, or otherwise they already would have applied.

Now, how to do voting?
Last time, rickyjames used Electionbuddy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5568236#msg5568236

However, I can also see that we would like to go to votes quickly and the pool is very small.

Let's break it down:

For Tech
Jones
jl777
ChuckOne

Commerce
fumanchu
Damelon
CFA

Treasurer:
Dom P
Rudeboi
Pouncer

Chair
EvilDave
Damelon

Secretary:
Cassius (confirmed on Skype)

Wildcard:
l8orre

This is a VERY small pool to go to vote with.
We could also decide to make these people the committee and leave it at that. This would give is 3 people on each discrete part (Tech and Commerce), three treasurers.

We could also see if candidates are willing to drop out.

What are people's ideas on this?
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2015, 02:58:00 pm »

As I've said, I favour a small, lean and (ideally very) fast-moving committee. So long as there is a cross-section of experienced and respected members, I think the fewer the better.
What we have here isn't bad, but it doesn't take many people to be away to let decisions drag on. The thing with freebieservers demonstrated that pretty well.
What about the members/seconds idea, where if the first person in a division (tech, accounting etc) doesn't reply within 24 hours, the second steps up?
Don't want to kick this thing around any longer than we have to, but let's get it right :)
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2015, 03:20:50 pm »


Those who can't do, talk.


James is a frontiersman who dares tread where others do not, for fear of danger and repurcussion. This is the exploration and discovery of our freedoms just as much as in the undiscovered world. Trolls like emule are the worst of the people in our society as those who fear mongered of ventures into the unknown in the pages of history. And just the same, the frontiersmen will be revered with glory and respect as revolutionaries, and the heckling non-doers will be scoffed at as archaic relics completely useless bastards.

Tldr: history has a way of dealing with the emules of the world.

+10 to BBC, and here is the current nomination situation:

Signups:
1. Jones (TECH)
2. FumanChu (COMM)
3. jl777 (TECH) *disputed
4. CFA Consulting (COMM)
4bis. DomP (TRES)
5. RudeBoi (TRES) *other thread
6. L8orre (ANYWHERE) *possibly busy
7. EvilDave (CHAIR) *willing
8. Damelon (CHAIR/COMM)
9. ChuckOne (TECH)
10. Pouncer (TRES)

*9. Cassius (SECRETARY) *suggested by EvilDave
*10. neer.g (TRES) *suggested by EvilDave

Anyone else want in ? Particularly for the chair/spokesperson slot..... :o

So, this is the list we have now.
I think we won't get any more people, or otherwise they already would have applied.

Now, how to do voting?
Last time, rickyjames used Electionbuddy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5568236#msg5568236

However, I can also see that we would like to go to votes quickly and the pool is very small.

Let's break it down:

For Tech
Jones
jl777
ChuckOne

Commerce
fumanchu
Damelon
CFA

Treasurer:
Dom P
Rudeboi
Pouncer

Chair
EvilDave
Damelon

Secretary:
Cassius (confirmed on Skype)

Wildcard:
l8orre

This is a VERY small pool to go to vote with.
We could also decide to make these people the committee and leave it at that. This would give is 3 people on each discrete part (Tech and Commerce), three treasurers.

We could also see if candidates are willing to drop out.

What are people's ideas on this?

Much better to have voting, then not. Lends an authority to the committee and gives a choice to the community.

If voting is going to be a pain, could just wait for the Voting release, due in the next few weeks, I believe.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2015, 08:34:11 pm »

We have a way to make voting relatively simple, if you want.

There was a discontinued SMF modification to allow for multiple polls, each with separate options, in the same topic. I've made a customized update for SMF 2.0.9 and the NxtForum Core template ( preview in test SMF ).

I can install it here and prepare a multi-multiple choice poll to vote the CFC members.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #147 on: January 11, 2015, 09:22:06 pm »

As I've said, I favour a small, lean and (ideally very) fast-moving committee. So long as there is a cross-section of experienced and respected members, I think the fewer the better.
What we have here isn't bad, but it doesn't take many people to be away to let decisions drag on. The thing with freebieservers demonstrated that pretty well.
What about the members/seconds idea, where if the first person in a division (tech, accounting etc) doesn't reply within 24 hours, the second steps up?
Don't want to kick this thing around any longer than we have to, but let's get it right :)
I like this approach.
We could even have a main member, then subsidiary #1 and subsidiary #2.
If main member doesn't answer fast, question is asked to subsidiary #1 and #2. The first to answer is right.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #148 on: January 11, 2015, 11:22:34 pm »

As I've said, I favour a small, lean and (ideally very) fast-moving committee. So long as there is a cross-section of experienced and respected members, I think the fewer the better.
What we have here isn't bad, but it doesn't take many people to be away to let decisions drag on. The thing with freebieservers demonstrated that pretty well.
What about the members/seconds idea, where if the first person in a division (tech, accounting etc) doesn't reply within 24 hours, the second steps up?
Don't want to kick this thing around any longer than we have to, but let's get it right :)

I agree. Fewer are more efficient. We already have the mandate description that forces activity; there is nothing necessary to have something like a second and first.

Let us vote and be done with it.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #149 on: January 11, 2015, 11:46:27 pm »

Good to see some action here. ;D

I've been doing some thinking (bad habit) : we have a dev team to be paid out of the funds that we currently hold. Unless a whale drops some serious donations, we have to support Nxt with the community funds for the forseeable future. We aren't exactly rich just yet.....
According to some rough numbers myself and Damelon came up with, devs are costing us around 400,000 NXT per month. The implication of this is that if we are to pay the dev team for the following year, pretty much all of the community funds will have to go there, leaving only a couple of million, at most, for other activities.

If there are only a couple of million NXT free to be used on marketing and other activities....we need to either be very cautious about saving what we have, or find other sources of revenue for the Community Funds.

I'm posting this here, btw, because I think it kind of changes the role of the CFC, once you realise how little extra cash we do have to play with right now.
An idea I threw out to Damelon yesterday was that we make the CFC purely responsible for cost management for devs and core NXT development, and put all marketing and non-core activities in the hands of the community, NXT-based businesses, NXT Foundation and NXT Organisation.

In a nutshell: CFC looks after Infrastructure and Technical development. Marketing is put in the hands (and pockets) of everyone else......
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #150 on: January 11, 2015, 11:51:00 pm »

Good to see some action here. ;D

I've been doing some thinking (bad habit) : we have a dev team to be paid out of the funds that we currently hold. Unless a whale drops some serious donations, we have to support Nxt with the community funds for the forseeable future. We aren't exactly rich just yet.....
According to some rough numbers myself and Damelon came up with, devs are costing us around 400,000 NXT per month. The implication of this is that if we are to pay the dev team for the following year, pretty much all of the community funds will have to go there, leaving only a couple of million, at most, for other activities.

If there are only a couple of million NXT free to be used on marketing and other activities....we need to either be very cautious about saving what we have, or find other sources of revenue for the Community Funds.

I'm posting this here, btw, because I think it kind of changes the role of the CFC, once you realise how little extra cash we do have to play with right now.
An idea I threw out to Damelon yesterday was that we make the CFC purely responsible for cost management for devs and core NXT development, and put all marketing and non-core activities in the hands of the community, NXT-based businesses, NXT Foundation and NXT Organisation.

In a nutshell: CFC looks after Infrastructure and Technical development. Marketing is put in the hands (and pockets) of everyone else......

I think you can imagine how I think about this proposal: +1440

However, we already have nominations and so on...
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2015, 11:55:51 pm »

Yup, I agree completely with that plan.

Better to not dilute the funds over several activities.

Half done is not done at all.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #152 on: January 12, 2015, 12:05:08 am »


In a nutshell: CFC looks after Infrastructure and Technical development. Marketing is put in the hands (and pockets) of everyone else......

You could have core development as a priority, but give CFC some flexibility. Nxt might be worth a lot more in 6 months, then there'll be more funds to play with.

But I agree with paying devs above all else.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #153 on: January 12, 2015, 05:59:46 am »

I think nobody can tell how much money we'll have in six months.
In my opinion, Nxt has touched a bottom and is probably set to go up for a while.
And then, I think it should be the task of the marketing committee to find alternate ways to finance its projects.
Finding win-win situations where were we can throw in some work, tools, or infrastructure instead of money is a possibility.
We could also lend moeny instead of giving it away.
Maybe by then we'll have  a few succesfull businesses that coud make some donations.
And so on...

So let's not plan we're running out of funds, because we just don't know. I'd rather plan for success.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #154 on: January 12, 2015, 06:25:10 am »

do we need one? the less centralised the better right?

not sure spending on marketing is the right path to take, end of the day people will advertise the platform if they believe in it... what needs to be addressed are any legitimate concerns with the platform, anything that is causing would-be adopters to not take the plunge

distribution is probably the issue i keep reading about



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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #155 on: January 12, 2015, 07:41:35 am »

do we need one? the less centralised the better right?
Decentralization is a mean, not a goal.

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not sure spending on marketing is the right path to take, end of the day people will advertise the platform if they believe in it... what needs to be addressed are any legitimate concerns with the platform, anything that is causing would-be adopters to not take the plunge
That has be talked about before. You're a bit late for this debate.

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distribution is probably the issue i keep reading about
That's why we need communication
There are other issues as well. When we talk to people from the crypto scene, most of the time, they are surprised at what can be done with Nxt.
We are extremely good technically, but noone knows it.
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #156 on: January 12, 2015, 08:00:06 am »

is the committee a temporary measure to orderly disperse community funds? thats fair enough

i agree nxt is technically better than bitcoin but thats irrelevant without adoption right

i just see a narrowing window of opportunity here, it seems to me people are still hung up on distribution, i think that beast will need to be slayed before nxt ii comes along

anyway don't want to derail this thread, just my 2c
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #157 on: January 12, 2015, 10:13:57 am »

Can the treasurer please specify how they will secure the funds. I don't want to see a kLee here. :)
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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #158 on: January 12, 2015, 11:13:30 am »

is the committee a temporary measure to orderly disperse community funds? thats fair enough
No. To do that, no need for a committee.

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Can the treasurer please specify how they will secure the funds. I don't want to see a kLee here. :)
As one of the current teasurers, I can tell you how I do it:
1. From a secure machine, I run a virtual machine.
2. In that VM, I run another secure OS, secured with different tools.
3. From that VM, I run the client.
4. The passphrase is stored through different systems, and remains incomplete (I have to add characters to it)
5. That VM is present on two different physical machines, so if one fails, I still have the other
6. The passphrase (minus the secret characters) is written on paper and safely stored where trusted people can find it if I die.
7. This whole system is NOT saved anywhere on Internet.
8. The physical machines get their network access through 2 NATs so direct attacks are quite hard to set up.


Edit: I forgot to say that the VM is exclusively used for secure cryptocurrencies related business.


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Re: New Community Funds Committee (CFC) members Self-Nomination Thread
« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2015, 11:44:56 am »

NXTtechdevfund Account NXT-R54H-5CST-CAQ7-24SB2 is currently secured by a dedicated machine used for NXT and nothing else. Passphrase for this account is secured by LastPass with Grid Multifactor Authentication and its login credentials & backed up data is stored in a dedicated Aegis Secure USB Key with AES 256-bit CBC Hardware Encryption. This dedicated machine also stores an encrypted document file containing the NXT account passphrase. Password for this file is known to other existing treasurers (neer.g & Damelon), who will be sent this encrypted file via email by one of my family members if I die before the fund runs out. Family members do not have the password to this file.

At the time I volunteered to continue, it was when we did not have enough treasurers. Since we have sufficient now I could withdraw if we want to avoid any elections.
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