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[TNNSE] The Mediation process
« on: November 08, 2015, 10:46:35 am »

I am writing this post, now that the 1.6.2 debate has taken off.

That it has taken off is a good thing. Discussion is vital.

However, I want to make sure people have their facts straight on the involvement of Dave and me in this process, as well as some facts about how things are.

1. Neither TNSSE or the NXT Foundation has any reason to be involved in dev decision. We have made it clear time and again that we consider this to be the #1 mistake of the BTC Foundation. Dev process in an open source project should be free. The only thing we can and will comment on is the way dev decisions impact business adoption, and even then they can disregard what we say.

2. Dave an I were ASKED by parties involved (James, nxt2pay and others) to talk to the devs. Because we have easy access and we saw that there was an issue developing, we did. We did not talk because we are entitled to, but because stakeholders asked us to. This is what we do.

3. The only thing we did was try to mediate an answer to the current problem, and we think we did. We had received a list of 5 demands by James and we managed to get four of them! That's 80% of demands filled, including a protocol where EVERY dev can be involved in future decision making on the process!

4. It seems that some people expected the outcome to be a "yes, we obey" from the devs. We think this is both not realistic, nor desirable. The devs are free agents, not puppets of the community. In short: they SHOULD make decisions, even ones people don't like or even understand. That's why they are what they are. People then can question these decisions. But in the end, we believe they should be free to make them.

5. We are people and we LEARN from mistakes. We hope to god we will from this one. The devs have clearly said the way 1.6.2 was done should have been done differently. This is clear, open and we think it deserves respect. The outcome is that we will have a much more open process from here on in.

6. We have tried to make everything as open as we can. You can read three days worth of talks here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4OEA-peIYHXd3JOTUY4VndQLW8/view
Yes, there may be some things in there that you don't like. Did you want us to sugar coat them? We decided NOT to take them out because we believe people should be able to read them. We also think that shows we respect the community and we are willing to show the process even to the extent we don't always look good.

7. PLEASE READ DAVE'S POST and understand where we are! I have been answering questions that are answered in there this morning already. Please stick to the facts. Disagree, agree, basically it's up to you. But don't invent stuff that patently isn't true. The post is here: https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-6-2/msg199422/#msg199422

As a final note, we would like to point out that TNNSE was funded 10% by James and 20% by Jean-Luc. As far as these discussions were concerned, we hope that we have shown that we are not biased. We hope that from the logs it can be seen to take things seriously and not excuse anyone. Personally, we may have wanted things differently, but when you are dealing with multiple parties, a good compromise is what you normally get.

Personal note from Damelon: One of the reasons we stepped in was because the situation was escalating FAR beyond normal discussion. I have seen an amount of vitriolic hate poured out that is, in my opinion, shameful. Seems some people *really* have a problem with people in authority. I am sorry, this is a point I personally want to make (Damelon). I am shocked by the amount of pure hate levelled at people who have worked hard for two years.
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Re: [TNNSE] The Mediation process
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2015, 10:55:49 am »

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Re: [TNNSE] The Mediation process
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2015, 10:58:15 am »

I would like to add a few questions that came up today

Q: Why don't we have a dev fund, so we can hire more devs?
A: We DO have a dev fund: the CFC: https://nxtforum.org/community-funding-committee-%28cfc%29/
It pays out to devs monthly.
Jean-Luc has always declined payment.

However, we cannot pay to scale, otherwise the fund would run dry within a few months.
I would like to point out that Riker has quit half of his job to be able to take on the role of Project Manager that became vacant when we lost ChuckOne. He opted to be paid for his NXT work for a fraction of what he would normally be paid for his hours.

Let's be clear: devs get paid a LOT and we cannot pay at scale. The devs we do have, do it because they like working on NXT.

Q: Can't we raise more funds?
A: It took a few months of planning, some VERY generous whales and 2 weeks of constant work to raise 10 million NXT for Tennesse. This was then about $ 80,000. And it still was touch and go whether we'd make it. For $80,000, at scale, you'd probably be able to pay a REAL dev for about a year, probably less.

This does not mean we shouldn't do it! DO IT! The reality is that this requires financial management and not just chucking money at people. We've had quite a few people who came in, took payment, and delivered a less than good product. Who needed to clean it up? The current devs, for basically free.

If we are to do this, please have a plan in place and don't expect millions of NXT to fall out of the sky. They won't. We have a few VERY generous whales who have spend 25% of their complete stake already. They lost big time sometimes alsmost without complaint. We also have whales who do nothing. A lot of the money comes from the small guys.

One of the aims of TNNSE is to make our cap higher, so our budgets are more generous again. By the way, this is also a reason we need to resolve this current issue, because a lower cap just means less funds.

Will add Q&A as they appear.

Please feel free to ask questions, by the way :)
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Re: [TNNSE] The Mediation process
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2015, 11:27:48 am »

This is a great post and then should be the end of it.

Anyone progressing with anger past this is "stirring the pot for trouble" as their goal.

This post is very clear with all the answers in it.

Now it is a wait, progress and grow action that is needed not more hanging onto the past complaining.

If this post is not a resolution.. Damn.. Someone just needs to read it again.

Ego defending is not needed anymore personal issues tell to your shrink.

War and stress comes from long depressed markets.

Buy when there is blood in the streets.

Seems a little bloody around here lately.

Maybe the bottom is very soon in.

All up from here.. Cheers..
« Last Edit: November 08, 2015, 11:31:09 am by NXT ENTERPRISE »
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Re: [TNNSE] The Mediation process
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2015, 12:13:05 pm »

I don't think more devs is the answer to this particular issue, but finding someone the developers work well with from the business side of NXT with good insight into NXT development and what implications changes has to NXT businesses should do it.

Because let's face it, it is not so effective to constantly code with ever-changing opinions of the masses and try to cater to all of them while keeping up a competitive development. When opinions are scattered they offer little to no guidance anyway, and when something is done well it is quiet, but once in a blue moon there is a community outlash when something is bad. I would think someone who meets above criterias would be enough to avoid a blue moon by just influencing the path of development on behalf of NXT businesses, because developers gonna develop
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Re: [TNNSE] The Mediation process
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2015, 03:31:24 pm »

A nice example of great communication Damelon! In a crypto community where people invest a lot of money in and the future is uncertain, we need trust, transparency and communication. Good communication to the end users and devs is a key element to success. 
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