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Re: [White Rabbit] : NXT & OpenSimulator !?! What we can do with...?
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 06:21:49 am »

I can also understand the reservations, but this does not look like a total rejection to me- so they only want to introduce some kind of separation by providing hooks, which should be possible.
And as Dave mentions, further separation can be introduced by using MS tokens of course. I think this is encouraging, esp. since those VR worlds have been around for almost a decade now,
and several of them are quite mature with very solid use cases,

only thing they lack are decentralized economies!   ;D
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 09:19:28 am »

I can also understand the reservations, but this does not look like a total rejection to me- so they only want to introduce some kind of separation by providing hooks, which should be possible.
And as Dave mentions, further separation can be introduced by using MS tokens of course. I think this is encouraging, esp. since those VR worlds have been around for almost a decade now,
and several of them are quite mature with very solid use cases,

only thing they lack are decentralized economies!   ;D

Hi :)
the virtual worlds technology can not and is not considered as games but a 3D multimedia social networking and information and communication technology ICT... that legally position it in a gray zone... and that's a good thing because at now, we are not obliged to declare to the tax authorities a nonprofit grid or public educational spaces or even small commercial projects... but if you add a currency, business and economy in equation...
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[11:58] Nebadon Izumi: there are a ton of legal ramifications to these kind of systems

the success of this experiment is in three key words:
decentralization: which offers freedom to the users...
usability: how the NXT system was designed and thought may interest many people
Universality: one currency for all the metaverse (NXT).

For MS coins, there are already DTL/NSL Module (Money Server: read above) with what we can create our own local currency and use it in the virtual world (or sell it for fiat)... for grids owners, the use of MS coins will not be interesting...

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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2015, 10:54:29 am »

Hello World :)

Firestorm client is a rich client in utilities, one of them is an integrated web browser :

HD: http://i68.tinypic.com/vfuj68.png

but unfortunately I discovered a bug that prevents the use of the NRS web interface(still like this):

HD: http://i64.tinypic.com/2vsgu14.png

this compatibility problem affect nxtreporting too, the asset list is not appear:

HD: http://i66.tinypic.com/xnur7b.png

but the charts work fine:

HD: http://i63.tinypic.com/spvinq.png

and no problems with Peerexplorer all work fine:

HD: http://i63.tinypic.com/dfa712.png

the internal browser is an Mozilla gecko compatible...:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; fr-FR) AppleWebKit/533.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) SecondLife/4.7.5.47975 (Firestorm-Release; starlight skin) Safari/533.3

[Update]:
- after further experiments, I can say that the internal browser does not work with complex sites and pages it serves some basic things ... it can open google, facebook or youtube but not bitcoinwisdom eg the chart here not work (jquery problem maybe?!?):
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/btcusd

- Java is not supported and not detected (not implemented )
http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Media_Rendering_Plugin_System_FAQ

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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2015, 05:36:31 pm »

how many grids are there? how many people can play on one grid at a time? can you just switch grids and take items or whatever you bought/traded for NXT with you to another one? can one for example run a shopping mal grid where you pay with NXT?
trying to understand how this might work. apart from coding a "region module", will you have to run and promote a grid or convince owners of other popular grids to adopt such a region module? is that likely? how is the general mood in regards to real money/crypto in the community?
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« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2015, 06:55:49 pm »

I have added support for .NET Framework 4.0 to NxtLib

https://nxtforum.org/api-discussion/nxtlib-a-typed-net-api-wrapper-for-nxt/msg201838/#msg201838

 :D Thank you for your work , i will read the code this WE and try something...
i am actualy experimenting the use of a cube (LSL) as bridge between the NSL money server and NRS... this will offer a deposit way but no more :(, all the operations will be handled by the NSL money server...

Thank's again :) very happy!
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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2015, 09:21:05 pm »

how many grids are there? how many people can play on one grid at a time? can you just switch grids and take items or whatever you bought/traded for NXT with you to another one? can one for example run a shopping mal grid where you pay with NXT?
trying to understand how this might work. apart from coding a "region module", will you have to run and promote a grid or convince owners of other popular grids to adopt such a region module? is that likely? how is the general mood in regards to real money/crypto in the community?

Thank you for your questions  :D
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how many grids are there?

we can not define an exact number for existing grids, because every day some ones born and others die. on top of that there is not a system to collect data from the metaverse.
Fortunately, "Maria Korolov" the metaverse keyboard do a regular data collection from grids and publishes it in its website
http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/statistics/active-grids/
http://www.hypergridbusiness.com/statistics/most-popular-hypergrid-worlds/

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how many people can play on one grid at a time?
Theoretically, the number of avatars that can be simultaneously in a grid is exponential and based on the available physical resources.

but before I must inform you about the opensim modes, there are two modes in the settings:
- Standalone mode: This is a private mode where you are the only one who can use the console (GOD). in this mode you can inter-connect multiple servers or multiple instances of OpenSimulator but it is you who're in the control ...
in this mode the limit is your CPU, RAM and bandwidth (10 to 30MB RAM + 150 to 350kbps / avatar)

- Grid mode: This mode is similar to a crypto-currency pool where miners connect their machine to the pool's server but each one of them can configure his machine as he wants ... same thing in opensim but instead of create coins, we are generating the metaverse  :D
in this mode the number of users can be calculated based on how many physical servers are connected to the main server and is exponential (but same physical ratio above/machine)

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can you just switch grids and take items or whatever you bought/traded for NXT with you to another one?

Yes (we say "Teleport" not "switch"  ;D ), we can teleport from a grid to an other or even to an standalone server using the HyperGrid and you can take with you the items that you have bought from one to an other... this can be compared to a simple switch to an other website in the normal browser and a download (paid or free) of a digital content...

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can one for example run a shopping mal grid where you pay with NXT?

Yes, the problem is at now that not exist a system to operate the NXT transactions into the virtual worlds (is what i try to do with my limited skills and my poor english  ;D), the grids are full of shopping malls :D

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trying to understand how this might work. apart from coding a "region module", will you have to run and promote a grid or convince owners of other popular grids to adopt such a region module? is that likely? how is the general mood in regards to real money/crypto in the community?

Hmmm?!? money and security go in pairs, we can not promote money system that is not safe ... the safest way is to write a C # region module ... and it is more acceptable to the professionals in this field

if you are an investor or an artist who sells 3D creations or a grid owner (who absolutely knows nothing or with limited knowledge about the cryptos world and usages), what are my chances to convince you without a working example?

the general mood it is difficult to define because there are those who fight for a free metaverse... and the creators / dealers fighting to create an economy in the metaverse
but both sides bend to the realities when they pay the servers bill at the month's end  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2015, 01:24:47 pm »

I have added support for .NET Framework 4.0 to NxtLib

https://nxtforum.org/api-discussion/nxtlib-a-typed-net-api-wrapper-for-nxt/msg201838/#msg201838

 :D Thank you for your work , i will read the code this WE and try something...
i am actualy experimenting the use of a cube (LSL) as bridge between the NSL money server and NRS... this will offer a deposit way but no more :(, all the operations will be handled by the NSL money server...

Thank's again :) very happy!
Let me know if you need assistance or if you got any questions. I'll try to help out as much as I can.
There are a few sample programs in the github repo also.
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2015, 04:04:00 pm »

I have added support for .NET Framework 4.0 to NxtLib

https://nxtforum.org/api-discussion/nxtlib-a-typed-net-api-wrapper-for-nxt/msg201838/#msg201838

 :D Thank you for your work , i will read the code this WE and try something...
i am actualy experimenting the use of a cube (LSL) as bridge between the NSL money server and NRS... this will offer a deposit way but no more :(, all the operations will be handled by the NSL money server...

Thank's again :) very happy!
Let me know if you need assistance or if you got any questions. I'll try to help out as much as I can.
There are a few sample programs in the github repo also.

Hi  :D

HD: http://i66.tinypic.com/j7c7pk.png

i passed last day experimenting things just with the available tools that everyone can get... the NSL money server and LSL scripts... at now i explore the best strategy for the deposits and in a easy way for the end-users.

Thank you  :D i will inform you about the progress soon as i have a working things  ;D
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2015, 01:57:12 pm »

Hello World  :D

the NSL/DTL money server/module is a modified version of DTL Currency Processing module, the following is the documentation included but it is old ... it helps to understand how it works...
http://forge.opensimulator.org/legacy-projects/DTLCurrencyProcessing/tree/master/doc

Concurrency diagram architecture:

HD: http://forge.opensimulator.org/legacy-projects/DTLCurrencyProcessing/blob/master/doc/ConcurrencyDiagram-architecture.jpg?raw=true

Money Module Classes:

HD: http://forge.opensimulator.org/legacy-projects/DTLCurrencyProcessing/blob/master/doc/MoneyModule-Classes.jpg?raw=true

MoneyModule-client Sequence:

HD: http://forge.opensimulator.org/legacy-projects/DTLCurrencyProcessing/blob/master/doc/MoneyModule-client%20Sequence.jpg?raw=true

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« Reply #30 on: December 01, 2015, 02:34:14 pm »

these are the worst games ever
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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2015, 02:44:45 pm »

these are the worst games ever

 ;D this is not a game ! even if it look like... same technologies in the simulations but not the same in the goals...
in the virtual worlds YOU edit the world and not something pre-installed...
the best compression for a webmaster it will be a 3D CMS mixed with a web server... (like joomla installed in  xampp...)

can you explain a little? have you tried? how and where?

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« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2015, 05:01:11 pm »

Hello World :)

please, a vote is requiered in the "Meme Competition #1" pool:
https://nxtportal.org/polls/13822864839091814266

the prize and donations will be used for the experimentations that need fees...

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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2015, 07:01:43 pm »



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The OpenSimulator Community Conference is an annual conference that focuses on the developer and user community creating the OpenSimulator software. Organized as a joint production by Core Developers of OpenSimuator and AvaCon, the virtual conference features presentations, workshops, keynote sessions, and social events across diverse sectors of the OpenSimulator user base...

This is the best opportunity in each year, when the metaverse professionals meet to discuss plans and projects, if you want explanations or plans to offer do not hesitate to register:
http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/

The conference will take place in the virtual world! not in the normal web... i will be in it  :D maybe you will find the white rabbit  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2015, 09:41:01 pm »



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The OpenSimulator Community Conference is an annual conference that focuses on the developer and user community creating the OpenSimulator software. Organized as a joint production by Core Developers of OpenSimuator and AvaCon, the virtual conference features presentations, workshops, keynote sessions, and social events across diverse sectors of the OpenSimulator user base...

This is the best opportunity in each year, when the metaverse professionals meet to discuss plans and projects, if you want explanations or plans to offer do not hesitate to register:
http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/

The conference will take place in the virtual world! not in the normal web... i will be in it  :D maybe you will find the white rabbit  ;D

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Hi all :)
this is the program for the next 4 days :
http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/schedule/

if you want to follow this event from the web , you can use the OSCC15 Live Streaming on Ustream (5 Dec):
http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/streaming/

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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2015, 02:46:36 pm »

Hi  :D
the conference will start in the next 15 min from now! (15h GMT0)
you can follow the live stream here:
http://conference.opensimulator.org/2015/streaming/



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« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2015, 10:03:02 am »

It would be wonderful to see NXT become the currency for OpenSimulator and Hypergrid, and full integration into LSL scripting, server, and viewers.

I think it's a really big opportunity for NXT to break into an established internet community, one that really needs a common currency for exchange of goods and services. NXT itself or perhaps a MS currency is the perfect platform for this! Although OpenSim community is relatively small, it is the closest thing to "3d metaverse" that the world has so far. If NXT becomes the de facto currency of OpenSim it could lead to great things in the future as virtual reality grows in popularity.

Will gladly send you a donation, and eagerly follow this thread!

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« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2015, 12:21:52 pm »

Amen  :D
It would be wonderful to see NXT become the currency for OpenSimulator and Hypergrid, and full integration into LSL scripting, server, and viewers.

I think it's a really big opportunity for NXT to break into an established internet community, one that really needs a common currency for exchange of goods and services. NXT itself or perhaps a MS currency is the perfect platform for this! Although OpenSim community is relatively small, it is the closest thing to "3d metaverse" that the world has so far. If NXT becomes the de facto currency of OpenSim it could lead to great things in the future as virtual reality grows in popularity.

Will gladly send you a donation, and eagerly follow this thread!

if Santa Claus read this, this is what I want for Christmas  ;D

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full integration into LSL scripting, server, and viewers.
Unfortunately, we can not rely on the opensim developers for help in all regards money and monetary systems ... but we can work on our own module and publish it ...

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I think it's a really big opportunity for NXT to break into an established internet community...
this was the flash idea that i get when i discovred the NXT software the 1st time and with the evolution of the NRS server to a web based GUI made the things more interesting...

The best way is creating our own 3D space where the metaverse users can visit and take infos , try the system... and this i can do it in 48h using the existing contents with a basic costomization ( a dedicated artwork will take up to 3 months)... if the bigbosss here provide me a dedicated server (under windows better)
if I use traffic forum as active users reference, a server like that is enough for a small community (KS-3):
https://www.kimsufi.com/uk/

the optimal conditions (SP-32):
https://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/enterprise/

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one that really needs a common currency for exchange of goods and services.
= NXT + Marketplace + Assets exchange
The asset exchange can be a projects generator itself where the metaverse users will raise funds for the metaverse projects and manage the returns...

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Although OpenSim community is relatively small
the total daily active users in the metaverse is ~ x7 the total members in this forum  ;D
please watch this video (5Dec conf):
http://original.livestream.com/metaworld2/video?clipId=pla_ad66cf4c-590a-4c9c-8b7f-d824769dc9f4

the infos on this video is the last update about the actual metaverse  ;)

Thank you for your donation  :D I was already motivated by the mass of informations and exchanges in the conference, your donation is like a redbull injection in the blood  ;D

i will add soon some infos about the conference and the way to do the same at the NXT community level...

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