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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #380 on: October 29, 2015, 10:50:33 pm »

Right, dudes and dudettes, time for some Tennessee action.

We're going to kick off with organising the TNSSE funds:
Here is the Tennesse account,  NXT-P439-YVBD-VUEQ-A3S2T,  with a current balance of 10,146,985 NXT:
https://nxtportal.org/accounts/10124938546868029479

I am going to be splitting up the account as follows:
625,000 NXT to Damelon, salary from 1 Nov 2015 thru to 31 Jan 2016.
NXT-GEJG-LNP2-F339-5JQFZ

625,000 NXT to EvilDave, salary as above.
NXT-TMVC-69YC-SJB4-8YCH7

3,750,000 will go to Pouncer (CFC treasurer) to be held for EvilDave/Damelon future salary payments.
NXT-3NE8-Z9ET-BC6A-5S79Y

That takes care of the 5 million NXT earmarked for salary payments for the next year.

Next, the remaining 5 million + change will be split up for security into 2 accounts: half will remain under my care on the original TNSSE account:
NXT-P439-YVBD-VUEQ-A3S2T
and half will be transferred into Damelons care, on the account:
NXT-TZEZ-KMB9-W67E-5QFGW

I'll be transferring 250,000 NXT to LibertyNow soon for a very slow sell off to give us some BTC/fiat, both to diversify the TNSSE holdings a bit, and to give some cash reserves. See here for the details of the LIQUID on-demand service:
http://www.liquidtech.info/ondemand
This ensures that we have no need to dump any large amounts of NXT on the market.

Lastly, the payouts of TNSSE currency to the people who bought the InstantDEX that Aldrin ( ;) ) donated will probably happen tomorrow, if I get round to it. Sorry, but I'm a busy bunny right now, and it'll take some time to work out the numbers and make the transfers.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #381 on: October 31, 2015, 01:09:04 pm »

The next steps in Tennessee are starting to take shape:

Marketing/PR.
Part of the overall strategy for NXT/SuperNET PR is going to be aimed at putting a human face (or faces) on the Nxt community, both removing the 'anonymous=evil' image problem that Nxt has, and giving people some other people that they can relate to.
Most effective marketing is not about the product itself, but is about how people interact with and use the product, and if we are to use this strategy for Nxt/SuperNET......we need people to stand up and be seen.

So, what I need is for people (particularly project leaders) to step up and write a short profile of themselves and their projects:
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/%28tennessee%29-an-overview-of-nxt-people-and-projects-help-needed!/msg198230/#msg198230
The profile doesn't have to be well-written, we can always tidy it up, but it does need to contain solid information and links.
I'm quite happy for people to remain anonymous, so you don't have to publish your real name, a profile under your forum handle will also be acceptable.
Though, obviously, for this strategy, we do need a reasonable number of non-anonymous profiles.
Get writing, please......

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The second thread of the TNSSE project is to help make the user experience for NXT/SuperNET as simple and user friendly as possible.
We've identified a  number of things that we can do to help out, and one of the first steps is to set up repositories for popular LInux distros:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-development/%28tennesse%29-linux-repositories-for-nxtsupernet-software/
Non-crypto Linux users are a perfect market for Nxt, and for crypto in general. I've seen how Ethereum have handled Linux distributon of their client software, and it it's very professional and market orientated. We need to do the same.....
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #382 on: October 31, 2015, 02:11:55 pm »

Also posted here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587007.msg12840942#msg12840942

The next steps in Tennessee are starting to take shape:

Marketing/PR.
Part of the overall strategy for NXT/SuperNET PR is going to be aimed at putting a human faces (or faces) on the Nxt community, both removing the 'anonymous=evil' image problem that Nxt has, and giving people some other people that they can relate to.
Most effective marketing is not about the product itself, but is about how people interact with and use the product, and if we are to use this strategy for Nxt/SuperNET......we need people to stand up and be seen.

So, what I need is for people (particularly project leaders) to step up and write a short profile of themselves and their projects:
https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/%28tennessee%29-an-overview-of-nxt-people-and-projects-help-needed!/msg198230/#msg198230
The profile doesn't have to be well-written, we can always tidy it up, but it does need to contain solid information and links.
I'm quite happy for people to remain anonymous, so you don't have to publish your real name, a profile under your forum handle will also be acceptable.
Though, obviously, for this strategy, we do need a reasonable number of non-anonymous profiles.
Get writing, please......

Client Development
The second thread of the TNSSE project is to help make the user experience for NXT/SuperNET as simple and user friendly as possible.
We've identified a  number of things that we can do to help out, and one of the first steps is to set up repositories for popular LInux distros:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-development/%28tennesse%29-linux-repositories-for-nxtsupernet-software/
Non-crypto Linux users are a perfect market for Nxt, and for crypto in general. I've seen how Ethereum have handled Linux distributon of their client software, and it it's very professional and market orientated. We need to do the same.....
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #383 on: October 31, 2015, 05:03:22 pm »


Client Development
The second thread of the TNSSE project is to help make the user experience for NXT/SuperNET as simple and user friendly as possible.
We've identified a  number of things that we can do to help out, and one of the first steps is to set up repositories for popular LInux distros:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-development/%28tennesse%29-linux-repositories-for-nxtsupernet-software/
Non-crypto Linux users are a perfect market for Nxt, and for crypto in general. I've seen how Ethereum have handled Linux distributon of their client software, and it it's very professional and market orientated. We need to do the same.....

Is there a list of must-have and want-to-have features anywhere?
For example, I'd love to see a simplified smartphone wallet that gets you started from scratch (creates 12-word passphrase etc) and can create/shift tokens around, whether assets or MS. Most people, after all, are just not going to want to download software on their computers and apps are the way forward for adoption.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #384 on: October 31, 2015, 05:08:40 pm »


Client Development
The second thread of the TNSSE project is to help make the user experience for NXT/SuperNET as simple and user friendly as possible.
We've identified a  number of things that we can do to help out, and one of the first steps is to set up repositories for popular LInux distros:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-development/%28tennesse%29-linux-repositories-for-nxtsupernet-software/
Non-crypto Linux users are a perfect market for Nxt, and for crypto in general. I've seen how Ethereum have handled Linux distributon of their client software, and it it's very professional and market orientated. We need to do the same.....

Is there a list of must-have and want-to-have features anywhere?
For example, I'd love to see a simplified smartphone wallet that gets you started from scratch (creates 12-word passphrase etc) and can create/shift tokens around, whether assets or MS. Most people, after all, are just not going to want to download software on their computers and apps are the way forward for adoption.

Yes, you can post in the topic in my signature, but follow the rules.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #385 on: October 31, 2015, 05:12:26 pm »


Client Development
The second thread of the TNSSE project is to help make the user experience for NXT/SuperNET as simple and user friendly as possible.
We've identified a  number of things that we can do to help out, and one of the first steps is to set up repositories for popular LInux distros:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-development/%28tennesse%29-linux-repositories-for-nxtsupernet-software/
Non-crypto Linux users are a perfect market for Nxt, and for crypto in general. I've seen how Ethereum have handled Linux distributon of their client software, and it it's very professional and market orientated. We need to do the same.....

Is there a list of must-have and want-to-have features anywhere?
For example, I'd love to see a simplified smartphone wallet that gets you started from scratch (creates 12-word passphrase etc) and can create/shift tokens around, whether assets or MS. Most people, after all, are just not going to want to download software on their computers and apps are the way forward for adoption.

Yes, you can post in the topic in my signature, but follow the rules.

I meant specifically for TNSSE.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #386 on: October 31, 2015, 05:14:37 pm »


Client Development
The second thread of the TNSSE project is to help make the user experience for NXT/SuperNET as simple and user friendly as possible.
We've identified a  number of things that we can do to help out, and one of the first steps is to set up repositories for popular LInux distros:
https://nxtforum.org/nrs-client-development/%28tennesse%29-linux-repositories-for-nxtsupernet-software/
Non-crypto Linux users are a perfect market for Nxt, and for crypto in general. I've seen how Ethereum have handled Linux distributon of their client software, and it it's very professional and market orientated. We need to do the same.....

Is there a list of must-have and want-to-have features anywhere?
For example, I'd love to see a simplified smartphone wallet that gets you started from scratch (creates 12-word passphrase etc) and can create/shift tokens around, whether assets or MS. Most people, after all, are just not going to want to download software on their computers and apps are the way forward for adoption.

Yes, you can post in the topic in my signature, but follow the rules.

I meant specifically for TNSSE.

Well, if you have good idea you still can post it there and I will archived it. TNSSE is Nxt related after all.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #387 on: November 02, 2015, 07:44:41 am »

I'll be transferring 250,000 NXT to LibertyNow soon for a very slow sell off to give us some BTC/fiat, both to diversify the TNSSE holdings a bit, and to give some cash reserves. See here for the details of the LIQUID on-demand service:
http://www.liquidtech.info/ondemand
This ensures that we have no need to dump any large amounts of NXT on the market.

Just an idea: ::)
Have you considered selling directly some of those NXT in exchange for fiat to forum members or other trustworthy people?  ;D
Maybe someone could be interested in buying (in fact, there are some messages recently in this forum asking for buying), and selling off the market at an agreed price wouldn't cause a dump :D

By the way, is there any escrow service for Nxt?
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #388 on: November 02, 2015, 08:06:07 am »

I'll be transferring 250,000 NXT to LibertyNow soon for a very slow sell off to give us some BTC/fiat, both to diversify the TNSSE holdings a bit, and to give some cash reserves. See here for the details of the LIQUID on-demand service:
http://www.liquidtech.info/ondemand
This ensures that we have no need to dump any large amounts of NXT on the market.

Just an idea: ::)
Have you considered selling directly some of those NXT in exchange for fiat to forum members or other trustworthy people?  ;D
Maybe someone could be interested in buying (in fact, there are some messages recently in this forum asking for buying), and selling off the market at an agreed price wouldn't cause a dump :D

By the way, is there any escrow service for Nxt?

Yes i would be interested in buying with USD and as it converts directly into NXT it can stay in escrow for a decent term then after the term it is sent to my NXT account.

This would facilitate a nice introduction experience to new members.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #389 on: November 02, 2015, 09:49:53 am »

be careful what you ask for.
currently we are ~3% of capacity, so it is not an urgent thing.
Also, imagine what happens at 100tx per second. You really want this now?

let's say 100 bytes per tx, that is 10Kb/sec * 3600 = 36MB per hour or almost 1GB per day. In 2 months, the blockchain will be as big as BTC.

Is that really what you want?

Without some means to control the blockchain size, like Lchains, allowing such tx/sec will make NXT unusable

James

P.S. My estimate of 100 bytes per tx is on the low side, it might be closer to 2x or 3x bigger on average depending on tx types. What do you think of 100GB per month growth in blockchain size?
Is it possible to implement lightning network in NXT? Or is there something that prevents it (like transactions malleability in Bitcoin). Lightning Network promises almost unlimited scalability.
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #390 on: November 02, 2015, 10:30:25 am »

I'll be transferring 250,000 NXT to LibertyNow soon for a very slow sell off to give us some BTC/fiat, both to diversify the TNSSE holdings a bit, and to give some cash reserves. See here for the details of the LIQUID on-demand service:
http://www.liquidtech.info/ondemand
This ensures that we have no need to dump any large amounts of NXT on the market.

Just an idea: ::)
Have you considered selling directly some of those NXT in exchange for fiat to forum members or other trustworthy people?  ;D
Maybe someone could be interested in buying (in fact, there are some messages recently in this forum asking for buying), and selling off the market at an agreed price wouldn't cause a dump :D

By the way, is there any escrow service for Nxt?
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« Reply #391 on: November 02, 2015, 10:48:51 am »

I think i would be interested (but for small amounts, e.g. 50€)
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #392 on: November 02, 2015, 02:26:13 pm »

be careful what you ask for.
currently we are ~3% of capacity, so it is not an urgent thing.
Also, imagine what happens at 100tx per second. You really want this now?

let's say 100 bytes per tx, that is 10Kb/sec * 3600 = 36MB per hour or almost 1GB per day. In 2 months, the blockchain will be as big as BTC.

Is that really what you want?

Without some means to control the blockchain size, like Lchains, allowing such tx/sec will make NXT unusable

James

P.S. My estimate of 100 bytes per tx is on the low side, it might be closer to 2x or 3x bigger on average depending on tx types. What do you think of 100GB per month growth in blockchain size?
Is it possible to implement lightning network in NXT? Or is there something that prevents it (like transactions malleability in Bitcoin). Lightning Network promises almost unlimited scalability.
it would be possible to setup something like a lightening network on NXT with existing API set. It is just a matter to do offchain sending of partial payments.

however one large issue i see with lightening network (assuming it is fancy name for micropayment channels) is that you need to set up direct payment channels between all payment paths.

so this is not so useful for tx that are not being made regularly. and ultimately all the different sender/receiver tx will hit the blockchain, so if there isnt multiple tx per sender/receiver i dont see how it allows "unlimited scalability"

maybe they mean that the same sender/receiver can do unlimited tx between each other?

if so lchains has this automatic
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #393 on: November 02, 2015, 03:28:51 pm »

however one large issue i see with lightening network (assuming it is fancy name for micropayment channels) is that you need to set up direct payment channels between all payment paths.
Lightning Network assumes not just micropaiment channels, but micropaiment channels connected alltogether in a hub and spoke model. Not every party needs to be connected to each other.
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« Reply #394 on: November 02, 2015, 03:40:37 pm »

be careful what you ask for.
currently we are ~3% of capacity, so it is not an urgent thing.
Also, imagine what happens at 100tx per second. You really want this now?

let's say 100 bytes per tx, that is 10Kb/sec * 3600 = 36MB per hour or almost 1GB per day. In 2 months, the blockchain will be as big as BTC.

Is that really what you want?

Without some means to control the blockchain size, like Lchains, allowing such tx/sec will make NXT unusable

James

P.S. My estimate of 100 bytes per tx is on the low side, it might be closer to 2x or 3x bigger on average depending on tx types. What do you think of 100GB per month growth in blockchain size?
Is it possible to implement lightning network in NXT? Or is there something that prevents it (like transactions malleability in Bitcoin). Lightning Network promises almost unlimited scalability.
it would be possible to setup something like a lightening network on NXT with existing API set. It is just a matter to do offchain sending of partial payments.


How is this done? In Bitcoin one input can be used only once. The receiver gets many signed transactions, but can only broadcast one of them. In Nxt the receiver can broadcast all signed transactions. I tried it, that's how it seems to work.
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« Reply #395 on: November 02, 2015, 03:43:20 pm »

however one large issue i see with lightening network (assuming it is fancy name for micropayment channels) is that you need to set up direct payment channels between all payment paths.
Lightning Network assumes not just micropaiment channels, but micropaiment channels connected alltogether in a hub and spoke model. Not every party needs to be connected to each other.
ok, then it has a chance of working. but basically this involves overlay of a highly complex thing on top of the basic tx.

not saying it wont work, but i think so it will be taking some time to work out all the issues, especially these "hubs" and whether they are centralized or not. if they are then much less tech issues to deal with, but then they are massive points of failure. if they are decentralized, then, well a lot more tech issues

i think it would be more efficient for a system from scratch to do this sort of thing
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« Reply #396 on: November 02, 2015, 03:46:11 pm »

be careful what you ask for.
currently we are ~3% of capacity, so it is not an urgent thing.
Also, imagine what happens at 100tx per second. You really want this now?

let's say 100 bytes per tx, that is 10Kb/sec * 3600 = 36MB per hour or almost 1GB per day. In 2 months, the blockchain will be as big as BTC.

Is that really what you want?

Without some means to control the blockchain size, like Lchains, allowing such tx/sec will make NXT unusable

James

P.S. My estimate of 100 bytes per tx is on the low side, it might be closer to 2x or 3x bigger on average depending on tx types. What do you think of 100GB per month growth in blockchain size?
Is it possible to implement lightning network in NXT? Or is there something that prevents it (like transactions malleability in Bitcoin). Lightning Network promises almost unlimited scalability.
it would be possible to setup something like a lightening network on NXT with existing API set. It is just a matter to do offchain sending of partial payments.


How is this done? In Bitcoin one input can be used only once. The receiver gets many signed transactions, but can only broadcast one of them. In Nxt the receiver can broadcast all signed transactions. I tried it, that's how it seems to work.
why do you have different constraints for the bitcoin vs NXT
in bitcoin the receiver gets many signed tx and only broadcasts one, but he is able to broadcast all of them and mess things up. this is the fundamental messiness of this approach

in nxt you would need to setup some sort of phased or referenced tx dependency
combine a reveal on secret release trigger that allows cashing out some chain of referenced tx.

in both coins, quite messy and problematic
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Re: [Marketing, Business and Development] The Tennessee Project Fundraiser
« Reply #397 on: November 02, 2015, 03:56:58 pm »

in bitcoin the receiver gets many signed tx and only broadcasts one, but he is able to broadcast all of them and mess things up. this is the fundamental messiness of this approach

It is useless to broadcast them all, because only one of them can get included in the blockchain.
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« Reply #398 on: November 02, 2015, 04:01:11 pm »

in bitcoin the receiver gets many signed tx and only broadcasts one, but he is able to broadcast all of them and mess things up. this is the fundamental messiness of this approach

It is useless to broadcast them all, because only one of them can get included in the blockchain.
yes, but it breaks the channel and requires things to be done by the other side
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« Reply #399 on: November 02, 2015, 04:22:42 pm »

in bitcoin the receiver gets many signed tx and only broadcasts one, but he is able to broadcast all of them and mess things up. this is the fundamental messiness of this approach

It is useless to broadcast them all, because only one of them can get included in the blockchain.
yes, but it breaks the channel and requires things to be done by the other side

I didn't intend to sidetrack this thread.

But anyway: the other side doesn't care which one of the transactions is broadcast. That's the idea at least in the original payment channel. The later ideas seem to be more complicated, and I haven't looked at them closely.
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