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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #120 on: October 03, 2017, 12:16:52 pm »


4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor


I wonder how this could be done if DeBuNe is moving out of Nxt/Ardor

Just a way to collect funds... I still love and support Nxt.

It will be great if the fund collecting happens on Nxt AE and Ethereum at the same time and both the tokens can be swapped to DeBuNe blockchain tokens later.
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #121 on: October 03, 2017, 03:09:58 pm »

Personally, I've been holding DeBuNes for years. I took part in the original ICO back in January 2015 (16NXT/DBN, the current price is at 6.6NXT/DBN), and even bought some more assets in Nxt's Asset Exchange later (in the 2nd ICO and outside the ICO) during all this looong time (almost 3 years). I did it because I liked the project, I trusted Roberto and because it was also good for Nxt. And Roberto has always been a big supporter for Nxt. So I though it was a win-win situation. I hodl! even when the price was going down or when very few information was shared.

With that said, I'm sorry, I must say I don't like the idea of being forced to move from Nxt to Ethereum nor Komodo (nor Waves! ;) ). But yes, that's only my personal opinion.

I wasn't even expecting DeBuNe (was anybody?) to build another blockchain outside Nxt/Ardor for this business. I don't know if I like the idea. Because if this project isn't using Nxt for funding, nor for building the ecosystem, I can't see how it's related to Nxt/Ardor anymore. Maybe we are even chatting in the wrong forum. But maybe more information would clear things up for me.

PS: And yes, I'll have to accept your final decision because nobody is going to sell now their assets at >90% loss after all this time ::)
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #122 on: October 04, 2017, 11:06:51 am »


4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor


I wonder how this could be done if DeBuNe is moving out of Nxt/Ardor

Just a way to collect funds... I still love and support Nxt.

It will be great if the fund collecting happens on Nxt AE and Ethereum at the same time and both the tokens can be swapped to DeBuNe blockchain tokens later.

If you want to disable trade during the ico, Nxt controllable currency can be used as what is done in ignis ico. DeBuNe asset can be swapped to the currency before ico

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #123 on: October 04, 2017, 11:47:31 pm »

Personally, I've been holding DeBuNes for years. I took part in the original ICO back in January 2015 (16NXT/DBN, the current price is at 6.6NXT/DBN), and even bought some more assets in Nxt's Asset Exchange later (in the 2nd ICO and outside the ICO) during all this looong time (almost 3 years). I did it because I liked the project, I trusted Roberto and because it was also good for Nxt. And Roberto has always been a big supporter for Nxt. So I though it was a win-win situation. I hodl! even when the price was going down or when very few information was shared.

With that said, I'm sorry, I must say I don't like the idea of being forced to move from Nxt to Ethereum nor Komodo (nor Waves! ;) ). But yes, that's only my personal opinion.

I wasn't even expecting DeBuNe (was anybody?) to build another blockchain outside Nxt/Ardor for this business. I don't know if I like the idea. Because if this project isn't using Nxt for funding, nor for building the ecosystem, I can't see how it's related to Nxt/Ardor anymore. Maybe we are even chatting in the wrong forum. But maybe more information would clear things up for me.

PS: And yes, I'll have to accept your final decision because nobody is going to sell now their assets at >90% loss after all this time ::)

NOTICE FOR THOSE THAT DON'T WANT TO USE ERC20 / ETHEREUM. Update:

A) Some of you have contacted me asking how to avoid the swap with the ERC20 tokens and swap directly with the DeBuNe blockchain tokens.

B) Some of you simply don't want to deal with Ethereum. I understand and appreciate this.

I want to clarify that DeBuNe is NOT being implemented with Ethereum.

Case A) I am open to this possibility, and I apologise for not thinking about it beforehand. In this case return the AE token from an Nxt account you will be able to use in the future to send me the DeBuNe blckchain account where I will send the matching DBN.

Case B) For those of you that prefer to skip the ICO in Ethereum, I been suggested to talk with Komodo Platform to run a BTC ICO there. I am absolutely open to this, and I understand this makes many of you happier. I will discuss with Komodo the how to, and if all is ok we will proceed to offer DeBuNe also there. Note that in this 3 years I have delivered several working Blockchain projects. I have made a good estimate that for a successful phase 1 of DeBuNe we will need at least USD2M for initial work and bounties. For as much as I love Nxt I understand that is a hard goal to reach this in the AE, thus my intention to move to ERC20, and I am super open to working with Komodo for those of you that prefer not to use Ethereum.

Please let me know if you need more clarifications and have more suggestions, I will be happy to do my best to make it right to everyone.

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #124 on: October 04, 2017, 11:49:46 pm »


4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor


I wonder how this could be done if DeBuNe is moving out of Nxt/Ardor

Just a way to collect funds... I still love and support Nxt.

It will be great if the fund collecting happens on Nxt AE and Ethereum at the same time and both the tokens can be swapped to DeBuNe blockchain tokens later.

If you want to disable trade during the ico, Nxt controllable currency can be used as what is done in ignis ico. DeBuNe asset can be swapped to the currency before ico

I could issue a new asset in this case. Is there a currency setting to have a way to stop trading? I missed this...

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #125 on: October 05, 2017, 05:50:50 am »


4) It is a GOLDEN opportunity to grab attention of the wide Ethereum community and point their attention to Nxt/Ardor


I wonder how this could be done if DeBuNe is moving out of Nxt/Ardor

Just a way to collect funds... I still love and support Nxt.

It will be great if the fund collecting happens on Nxt AE and Ethereum at the same time and both the tokens can be swapped to DeBuNe blockchain tokens later.

If you want to disable trade during the ico, Nxt controllable currency can be used as what is done in ignis ico. DeBuNe asset can be swapped to the currency before ico

I could issue a new asset in this case. Is there a currency setting to have a way to stop trading? I missed this...

R

You cannot disable trading for assets, but you can for MS currencies by just make the currency "controllable", IGNIS ICO is done in this way.
https://nxtwiki.org/wiki/Monetary_System#Controllable

Make an "exchangeable" and "controllable" MS currency, request DeBuNe asset holders to swap their assets to the currency, do the ICO after the swap finished. Then no one can trade DeBuNe during the ICO

Adjust the page for IGNIS ICO into a Nxt plugin for DeBuNe ICO could further make it more convenient for people to participate.
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #126 on: October 06, 2017, 02:59:47 am »

You cannot disable trading for assets, but you can for MS currencies by just make the currency "controllable", IGNIS ICO is done in this way.
https://nxtwiki.org/wiki/Monetary_System#Controllable

Make an "exchangeable" and "controllable" MS currency, request DeBuNe asset holders to swap their assets to the currency, do the ICO after the swap finished. Then no one can trade DeBuNe during the ICO

Adjust the page for IGNIS ICO into a Nxt plugin for DeBuNe ICO could further make it more convenient for people to participate.

I see 3.1.2 Controllable
Controllable currencies can only be transferred to and from the issuing account, and if also exchangeable only the issuing account can publish offers.

So users can't exchange between each other after the ICO is over...
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #127 on: October 06, 2017, 07:12:22 am »

...and I understand this makes MANY of you happier...
Are you sure about this point?
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #128 on: October 06, 2017, 08:49:42 am »

...and I understand this makes MANY of you happier...
Are you sure about this point?

I have been made to think so. It is a long time I am "missing" from the scene here, and I don't know the politics around Nxt anymore...
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #129 on: October 07, 2017, 02:55:02 am »

You cannot disable trading for assets, but you can for MS currencies by just make the currency "controllable", IGNIS ICO is done in this way.
https://nxtwiki.org/wiki/Monetary_System#Controllable

Make an "exchangeable" and "controllable" MS currency, request DeBuNe asset holders to swap their assets to the currency, do the ICO after the swap finished. Then no one can trade DeBuNe during the ICO

Adjust the page for IGNIS ICO into a Nxt plugin for DeBuNe ICO could further make it more convenient for people to participate.

I see 3.1.2 Controllable
Controllable currencies can only be transferred to and from the issuing account, and if also exchangeable only the issuing account can publish offers.

So users can't exchange between each other after the ICO is over...

Yes. If you want the token exchangeable for users after the ICO, maybe you should go with asset and only sent the asset to ICO participants after the ICO is over.
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #130 on: October 07, 2017, 03:52:44 am »

Case B) For those of you that prefer to skip the ICO in Ethereum, I been suggested to talk with Komodo Platform to run a BTC ICO there. I am absolutely open to this, and I understand this makes many of you happier.
Komodo??!!?? This is a 1000x worse and more disgraceful for early supporters of Nxt seeing how it evolved & who is behind Komodo. I was one of the early investors of DeBuNe, and if you stoop so low as to require your early supporters to use Komodo, I'd rather destroy my DeBuNe assets. It is worth nothing.
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #131 on: October 08, 2017, 11:11:39 am »

wow. guys, I had never heard of Komodo before a few days ago when it has been suggested to me.

Honestly, ICOs are 99% made in Ethereum as there is liquidity. I am getting very confused here on what to do not to upset the community and the DeBuNe supporters.

DeBuNe has collected so far about USD20k, that have been used, and are not enough to have something completed.

I have the feeling that trying to raise about USD2M in the AE is not an easy task, if it is possible at all.

I understand that many of you dislike Ethereum, even if it is used ONLY to raise funds.

I understand that many of you dislike Komodo or other internal projects.

I understand that many of you simply don't want to swap tokens outside Nxt.

I also understand that I have to remove the current DeBuNe from the AE by the end of October to then return to the current holder either the ERC20 tokens to later swap for DBN, or let people swap for another vehicle, or let people swap for DBN directly (at a small loss compared the previous opportunities, as this will not gain value during ICO).

Now, I don't want to offend anyone, and at the same time I don't want to exclude anyone.

I am thinking to another possibility to run parallel to the ERC10 tokens, and if you all think with me, we may find a perfect solution ;)

All I want is to have the funds to deliver DeBuNe as initially promised. I can do many private agreements directly in BTC or even ARDR or NXT.

Let me know.

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #132 on: October 15, 2017, 01:50:31 pm »

UPDATE:

Re topic at https://nxtforum.org/debune/erc20-debune-tokens-swap/

So far 90'670.6862 DeBuNe assets have been sent back to be swapped with ERC20 tokens.

There are still 158'772.24 that needs to be returned Before the end of October, or else they will end up not being swapped.

Whoever desires to swap the DeBuNe assets with DBN after the launch of the DeBuNe blockchain, please send them back specifying so in the message.

15 days left.

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2017, 09:13:47 pm »

Roberto is a busy man  :)
https://www.fidentiax.com/webfiles/1508747308814/pdf/web/viewer.html

Have a look at page 28 of the white paper.
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2017, 09:47:27 pm »

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #135 on: November 01, 2017, 06:38:34 am »

IMPORTANT AND URGENT

Last few hours to send back the DeBuNe Assets to the issuer account, to then get them as ERC20 or as DeBuNe tokens once the DeBuNe blockchain is launched.

I saw some of you that have put them for sale, in a few hours they will be worth nothing (I will put ALL the assets from the issuer account for sale at 0.00000001 (or whatever the minimum is).

Cancel your purchase orders, cancel your sales order and send back to asset issuer BEFORE all the assets will be put on sale.

Just a few hours left!

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #136 on: May 08, 2018, 10:25:49 pm »

Hello Roberto, do you have any updates?  ???

Time passes and we have no news about the alleged ICO. :-\

I hope everything goes well in order to launch the project soon

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #137 on: May 14, 2018, 04:40:00 am »

Hello,
  all is still moving. There are some issues that stop us from proceeding as fast as we wish, but we are working to assure all goes for the best.

Anyone wants to help out? We have open positions! Check the website: http://debune.com

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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #138 on: October 31, 2018, 01:07:39 pm »

Hello, dear friends! I exchanged the tokens for ERC (Ethereum) long ago. I have 250 pieces. When there is a new exchange? There is no activity at this forum. Is not present anywhere... The project is closed?
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Re: DeBuNe ICO at the horizon
« Reply #139 on: November 01, 2018, 09:19:53 am »

The project is not closed. There have been legal and organizational issues that have created a delay, and we are waiting to confirm the deployment before of the next phase before making new announcements.

Afterall it is an awful moment for ICOs :)

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