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[MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC! - APPROVED
« on: April 02, 2014, 01:23:07 pm »

I have been looking at this for a while now and am BAFFLED by how badly QBTC is treated by the Marketing people!
She has been instrumental in keeping the site and social media going, and is even *paying* to boost posts on Facebook.

She has done:

- website: setup, server (a GOOD one), maintenance , design
- weekly news: https://paper.li/NxtCrypto/1393244031
- Facebook: setup, daily maintenance, pays for boosting posts.
- Google +: setup and daily maintenance
- Twitter: setup and daily maintenance
- Original art for banners and to use on FB and social sites for sharing
- Remade the images in the center of the front page of website at hi res for soemone who requested them for use in a brochure
- Integrated audio in the site and podcasting and made the art for this.


She is fobbed off with 3000 Nxt on 17-02 and 500 Nxt on 05-03!

Then, to boot, she is getting flack for the fecking design, while in truth wé, as a community, didn't take lead there.
Now, with the new design, she is almost immediately shoved to the side and not included into the process, if I hadn't brought these people into contact with her and asked them to include her.

Can you imagine how she feels? She feels underappreciated and misused, and I completely agree. This is disgusting and shameful.

I want this rectified by giving her a significant bounty and monthly payment for the *shitload* of work this professional woman is doing for us!
No one, and I mean *no one* of us has the experience she has. She heads a bloody Marketing bureau for over 20 years, for Pete's sake!

YOU DO NOT WASTE ASSETS!

If we want to be cheapskates towards the people that put in loads of free time, then we have a bloody big problem.
There are projects out there that offer real money to talented people and we will lose them damn quickly if we don't start rewarding people for the work they do.

I move to award here *at least* 40,000 Nxt for each month of work, which comes to 160,000 Nxt till now and grant the same for at least the next three months, to be paid in monthly installments on the first of every month.

Without this work, we would have been *nowhere*.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 01:34:24 pm »

honestly, im surprised that shes even stuck around.  ive even tried to advocate for her on a few occasions, not too much came out of it.

so dont take it personally when I say I havent had too terribly much faith in the marketing community if its taken you guys this long to notice such a resource

good on you guys for rectifying though.  good luck!
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 01:35:41 pm »

you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17

but I don't agree, did you read, what is on that site? almost every page there is outdated. this site is extremely unusable for newbies, there were many thefts thanks to the bad installation sites. I asked for the change 2 months ago and nothing was repaired
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 01:44:44 pm by salsacz »
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 01:38:53 pm »

salsacz, refrain yourself.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 01:49:06 pm »

you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17

but I don't agree, did you read, what is on that site? almost every page there is outdated. this site is extremely unusable for newbies, there were many thefts thanks to the bad installation sites. I asked for the change 2 months ago and nothing was repaired

I am really amazed by this reaction.
You want to put the responsibility for not being up to date on the shoulders of the site owner who has asked NUMEROUS times for help and didn't get any?

That is so blunt and harsh, I cannot even imagine where that comes from.

Look at the site and social media, not to mention being *on call* all through the conferences in Miami and Texas for NiftyNikel and rickyjames for making and sending them material.

I am not even going into that discussion. It's extremely insulting to someone who has consistently provided a platform for us to work on and who has never said "no".

I will put it even more bluntly: ïf we don't do this, we will lose her and I wouldn't blame her. We will have a BIG problem if that happens. This woman has helped Nxt actually exist, get money into your pockets. We have 2,9 million Nxt that has value because of her.

The time for working for free is over. Time to stop being skinflints towards people who have MORE that earned their fare.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 02:02:24 pm »

the most important part is about installation of the NRS and it is still very unfriendly, althought I asked for it in January https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg33340.html#msg33340
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 02:23:16 pm »

you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17

but I don't agree, did you read, what is on that site? almost every page there is outdated. this site is extremely unusable for newbies, there were many thefts thanks to the bad installation sites. I asked for the change 2 months ago and nothing was repaired

Hey, its not like you werent warned, before things got out of date, that she couldnt keep up with it w/o compensation, and that sans that, her work on it would just be a hobby.

But hey, we all get it, she is supposed to continue to work for free.  right.......  So basically, someone who stepped up in the VERY BEGINNING, did TONS of QUALITY work, KNOWS what the fuck she is doing in this arena,  (have you seen the amount of her followers), is supposed to bow down to you personally and work for free, only because her previous work wasnt sanctioned by you before you were even elected to the committee.  I get it now. sheesh.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2014, 02:26:57 pm »

forkedchain: sorry, but I am the only one here who already paid her and is going to pay her more, it is in open bounty table - and also in a gdoc - as a prepared payment
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 02:27:33 pm »

the most important part is about installation of the NRS and it is still very unfriendly, althought I asked for it in January https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg33340.html#msg33340

This is a non-argument where this is concerned.
I note loads of issues in that thread that were solved almost immediately.

I notice that we don't have TF, AT, AE completely installed yet, either. These were also already promised in January.
Shall we vote not to pay any of our developers?

Of course not. Because we know they are working *around the clock*.

I hope you are noticing how many professional and qualified people are flocking to Nxt to be of service for free. That's right: not many.
We either start paying, or we become a laughing stock. It's really that simple.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 02:31:32 pm »

Damelon: I hope you will comment such posts next time

17-02-2014, 10:33:37 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg5194670#msg5194670
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 02:35:55 pm »

I would be happy to help with the website if that helps at all.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 02:37:29 pm »

I would be happy to help with the website if that helps at all.
good :) here is a topic about Nxt websites: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 02:44:13 pm »

Damelon: I hope you will comment such posts next time

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Since you bring this up yourself (and I did not want to do this), my request is based on our talk last week that this hadn't been paid and no communication was given to QBTC about it.
The last payment was 17-02, with a further 500 on 05-03.
Last week I asked about this and was told (and forwarded the info to QBTC) that payment would be made on the first of the month.

With a community that has a bad track record of paying, how do you think it works if then you do not receive payments on the promised day once again?

Are you going to trust that you will *eventually* get it? Hell, no. If I have a bad payer, I chase him, because actions in the future are a good indication of actions to follow.

Are you going to ask for it? Hell, no. Because she shouldn't have to *beg*. She deserves to be treated with the respect she is due to the sterling work she has done to help us as a community to grow.

I was trying not to open that can of worms. I will however not be made to look like I was trying to make you look bad. You may have noticed I talk in the "we" form for most of my posts. That's because I am just as much to blame here as anyone else. I ám however, committed to rectifying it, because

a) I want us to realise that being a skinflint will weaken the community
b) This is not a case of uncertain ROI. QBTC has already *given* us value
c) I really think that if we lose the one really professional marketing person, we are in deep doo-doo.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 02:54:42 pm »

it takes many hours to fill this list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17 (nobody helped: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg6001035#msg6001035)

nobody cares about commenting how to improve our websites, so I had to do it during monthly check, as you can see, it was post in the same time like Dam.'s post: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/msg5062/#msg5062

as you can see, she was paid and she will be paid. Anyone was invited to comment this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg5194670#msg5194670 where I suggested to pay her months ago
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 02:55:23 pm »

i dont think he cares about that.  apparently his stance is that when someone quits due to nonpayment, he knows there are others who will step up.  well this will only work a few times, then no one will do anything.

When you contact her, please find out how much bounty she's received versus how much shes paid out of pocket, and how much (if any) was left for her stash as reward for work.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 03:06:20 pm »

don't forget about previous payment from unclaimed coins funds: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=8315774601191702237 30k
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 04:11:15 pm »

don't forget about previous payment from unclaimed coins funds: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=8315774601191702237 30k

Don't know what this is, but 10715382765594435905 is Bter.
These are the community funds.

I would like to hear from the other marketing committee members :)
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 10:33:41 pm »

Salsa

 Can you please provide a list with all payments made to QBTC with dates and amounts.

 All these links are confusing, and links to blockchain transactions don't help clarify.

 

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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 10:52:15 pm »

You can add that she sorted me out with a superb NXT logo for the Bitcoin2014 conf.
I just asked, and it magically appeared, so QBTC gets much love from me.....

Looking at the rest of the work she's done compared to the payment she's received so far...it doesn't seem fair, unless she's an original stakeholder.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 11:39:43 pm »

shes
You can add that she sorted me out with a superb NXT logo for the Bitcoin2014 conf.
I just asked, and it magically appeared, so QBTC gets much love from me.....

Looking at the rest of the work she's done compared to the payment she's received so far...it doesn't seem fair, unless she's an original stakeholder.

shes not, her stash is well under 1M
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 12:18:17 am »

Just would like to add, She made the promotional images used for the NXT starcraft showmatch i put on awhile ago.

http://i.imgur.com/Db1sizr.png

Able to be seen there.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 01:00:26 am »

Just would like to add, She made the promotional images used for the NXT starcraft showmatch i put on awhile ago.

http://i.imgur.com/Db1sizr.png

Able to be seen there.

ho wow, I did not know Nxt sponsor a starcraft show match. These two starcraft pro players are well known.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 01:09:44 am »

ho wow, I did not know Nxt sponsor a starcraft show match. These two starcraft pro players are well known.

Yes, it was a 25,000 NXT Showmatch put on awhile ago. I am currently working on possibly putting on a starcraft 2 tournament but still waiting on approval from the marketing committee before moving forward on that. The details from it is in the starcraft 2 tournament proposal in this forum if you would like to look into it.

Anyway this thread isnt about starcraft, So lets try and keep it on topic.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2014, 01:41:28 am »

Guys, don't kill salsa! And... just give QBTC what she deserved.   I remember when they didn't chose her logo, she made some very positive post and obviously did quite a lot for Nxt without begging for bounty. She helped a lot and she deserves to get paid. 

p.s. when we are so decentralised, we need to learn to be calm and "see" and walk through the chaos. Stay solid. I believe in you guys!
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2014, 04:14:23 pm »

Thank you for the 3000 NXT from the Marketing Fund!
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2014, 04:30:40 pm »

I have worked with QBTC from the very beginning on nxtcrypto, before anyone currently on this committe were ever involved in marketing.  Not once has she ever done any prima donna crap like threaten to just drop everything and leave, like quite a few others have done.  She has always been 100% professional.  Ill hope that future threads like this will not be required for her to get paid.  She should not have to extract what has been promised for her work.

Salsa, you are just going to have to deal with your personal issues with her, whatever they may be, and keep them separate and work with all of us here, including her.  You volunteered for this committee, so if you think something of hers needs working on then MAKE IT PUBLIC HERE so everything will be out in public.  Quit pulling this passive aggressive pussy bullshit where you just not pay out as some means to send a message.  That is not how business is done.  We are a team, communication is key, its why we developed these forums.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2014, 07:55:15 pm »

I am the only one here who was actually reporting errors on nxtcrypto, reporting bugs there etc and also the only on guy (with klee) who already was paying to qtbc, so please stop posting fuds here, thanks

When I went to Berlin conference, I couldn't tell guys there to go to nxctrypto, because: a) installation guide is very unfriendly, I reported this in January. Nothing was updated after 70 days of waiting.

Newbies dont care about nice pictures, they need to know how they can use Nxt client, where they can buy Nxt and what is Nxt. On Nxtcrypto you get info about Nxt from December - very outdated, I reported it in public threads. https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/msg5062/#msg5062

These installing sites should be most important on the web, but they are the worst there:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/install-nxt-software-your-computer

- and once again, problems with these sites were reported in January

So the question is - why do you want to drop huge funds to the site that cannot be used for promotion due to the outdated info on most of the sites and with a huge problem with very important part  - installation guide
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 12:02:11 am »

Salsacz: this isn't (currently) about keeping the site running into the future, but to pay for the work she has already done.
My self and 3 other guys are developing NXT.org in the same theme as the "What is NXT?" video (collaborating with the guy who made the video).
We are going for a very clean, seamless and professional look.
I envision NXT.org to take over the spot of NXTCrypto.org as the "official" NXT site.
Me and QBTC discussed this yesterday with Tai on Skype, so she is aware of these developments.

This isn't about funding into the future, but for what she has ALREADY done, but not been compensated for.
And not only for the website. Is the website perfect? No, but it has been all we've had for a long time. It was the first we had and it was A LOT better than a lot of the template websites that was put up in a hurry.
It's also for Facebook, Twitter, logos/designs, community involvement in the forums and so on.

She has asked for help, but very few has helped, so you cannot put it on her for not having run a 100% perfect website.


This goes back to why we have lost so many important marketers, developers and activists in general: there is no incentive for people to stick around. What message are we sending to new comers if the veterans amongst us is supposed to just work hours and hours daily on NXT without compensation and gratitude?

The only reason you feel that you can sit on your high horse and critize is that you were LUCKY to be compensated early on, partially thanks to me vouching for you and praising you for being a active member of the community.
I wont go into any beef with you now, but please do not even think for one minute that you are in a position to critize QBTC and her work.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 05:52:18 am »

My self and 3 other guys are developing NXT.org in the same theme as the "What is NXT?" video (collaborating with the guy who made the video).

Who owns that domain now?

When is the site going live?
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2014, 07:25:16 pm »

So the question is - why do you want to drop huge funds to the site that cannot be used for promotion due to the outdated info on most of the sites and with a huge problem with very important part  - installation guide

Actually, this is nót the question at all.

The question is multifold:

1) Do we want to compensate someone who has consistently promoted Nxt, provided us with social media outlets, updated (*even when she wasn't receiving the backup she needed*)?
2) Do we want to have her do this in the near future? With this goes nxtcrypto, the possibility to expand nxtcrypto (which already has considerably more traffic than ANY new site would have at this moment), and a social media portfolio with ever 9000 Facebook followers and over 1300 Twitter followers that has been consistently and daily updated.
3) Do we really want to spend the time building all this again (MINUS the social media) on the basis of a domain name?

To me the answers to 1) and 2) are a clear "yes" and a big "no" to question 3).

Moving sites on the basis of a domain name is a silly move. To paraphrase your last sentence:

"Why do you want to drop huge funds in a site that hasn't even been developed yet, has no traffic, has no plan that we have seen, and is basically an unknown"?

This is about knowing when someone is professional, and knowing when you need to invest in these people. I am amazed that you are taking this stance and sincerely question your judgement in being able to see if someone is a professional or not.

This is not FUD, it's a sincere concern based on your reactions here. You pick out one case (the installation guide) for which you clearly should know that this has been a communitywide problem for months and conveniently forget the months of daily work. I cannot see why you do this. I cannot see why you would wilfully try to want to build a site from scratch. I cannot see why you would not want to see that the work done by QBTC is much larger than nxtcrypto.

I may come accross as angry, and I freely admit it. Moreover, I am ashamed of the way we could end up treating our people.
Are we planning to sít on these funds for fear of spending them while at the same time we are bleeding dry of true talent because we are just plain ungrateful?
This is not only about money! This is about appreciation and supporting people.

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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2014, 09:09:32 pm »

you can compare these sites:

nxter.org
- 53 news since March on the site, 51 tweets: rewarded by 1000 NXT

before: rewared by 20.000 from donator and 4.000 from small marketing funds

nxtcrypto.org
- 8 news in nxt online section, 100 tweets: rewarded by 3000 NXT
before: rewarded by 30.000 from donator and 3.500 small marketing funds

And these funds were created by me, rewarded by me, by tables created by me, etc - all were publicly released so anyone could comment them

I won't be sassy to all of you here why you did nothing to fund these people in the past. I did it to continue with klee's old donation program, I created small rewards and funds, nobody was helping to me, nobody was commenting my rewarding tables

so these small updates of the site and social profiles were already paid

+ we had public voting about our best sites and social sites:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4566202#msg4566202

+ nobody here was helping qtbc with testing the site and updates - only I was doing this in last months: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg38002.html#msg38002 + https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2014, 09:32:55 pm »

I won't be sassy to all of you here why you did nothing to fund these people in the past. I did it to continue with klee's old donation program, I created small rewards and funds, nobody was helping to me, nobody was commenting my rewarding tables

Comparing these sites is quite useless. You could just as well compare my own site with the summaries. Why is that a bad comparison? Because there has been no bounty requested. Stick to the topic at hand instead of constantly bringing in non-relevant stuff. Rewards from donators are not relevant to the discussion either. Those are "luck" or maybe even business deals. We do not know this.

As to your funding efforts:
No one is commenting on them now. This is about the question in the first post. Not about the rewards in the past. Again: this is not relevant.

As to why "we" did not fund these people in the past: where did that come from? This committee is quite new, and the funds for it weren't there.
Or do you mean: out of our own pockets? Please be clear if you mean that. Non-relevant.

On commenting: Nobody has been commenting? I remember quite clear commenting on the lowering wiki payouts by 35,000 Nxt without announcing it. Never got an answer back.

For the things that are done well, indeed, well done. This is, I will repeat this again, not about the funding in general: this is about the issue in the first post.

As to the last link: I don't see how a vote from January 17th (nearly a quarter year old) is pertinent to a post today.

I also see that both FB and G+ are left out of the equation, as is all the behind the scenes work and graphics work.

This is becoming extremely tiresome.

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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2014, 09:46:35 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2014, 09:56:08 pm »

guys, she did post in here she got paid.  why are we still arguing here?  and yes, lets stay on topic of this post please.  And salsacz please expound on what you mean when you keep saying "nxtcrypto.org is very outdated"?  do you mean the www site or wiki?  Please keep in mind that joefox runs wiki and qbtc runs www.  Earlier I tried to address this with the assumption that you meant www and I gave some input which I havent heard back yet - I believe the info there is still accurate.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2014, 09:58:00 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty

I agree that it's not useful to continue this discussion between us. It's abundantly clear that we will not agree on this and this is why we have voting. I've made my points, you have made yours.

Let's leave it at that.

guys, she did post in here she got paid.  why are we still arguing here?

Edit: The 3000 she mentioned had nothing to do with the proposal in OP.
That is indeed for the site as mentioned in Salsacz's doc.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2014, 10:15:07 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty

you are really stretching, and close to being intentionally intellectually dishonest - JLP resolved the weak passphrase warning issue a very long time ago.  You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2014, 10:29:39 pm »

guys, she did post in here she got paid.  why are we still arguing here?  and yes, lets stay on topic of this post please.  And salsacz please expound on what you mean when you keep saying "nxtcrypto.org is very outdated"?  do you mean the www site or wiki?  Please keep in mind that joefox runs wiki and qbtc runs www.  Earlier I tried to address this with the assumption that you meant www and I gave some input which I havent heard back yet - I believe the info there is still accurate.
hi,
thank you for asking,

my concerns about outdated parts were published here in the same minute as OP of this thread (so Damelon was writing this topic while I was checking our websites): https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/msg5062/#msg5062

About Wiki - I am glad you came with this - I still think Joe will come with some info about wiki - right now I know there are 46.000 visits and there were 36.000 visits 40 days ago (archive.org). I also know there were tons of work done in December and January - so I sent there 50.000 for these 2 months (= 25.000/1 month). Then we were slowly establishing our committees, so before that I sent there at least 10.000 to cover new efforts. The thing is - we don't know how look the global numbers here - is wiki translated from 10 percent? Or 50? Is wiki going to get 100k or 1 million in the end? That is the question :D
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2014, 10:32:13 pm »

You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.

messages feature was already released
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2014, 01:55:43 am »

You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.

messages feature was already released
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging

ok now this is specific, and constructive.  it is extremely more conducive to improvement.  thanks for this; we would appreciate in the future if you can give specifics like this instead of just holding funds to make some point.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2014, 03:00:20 am »

You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.

messages feature was already released
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging

ok now this is specific, and constructive.  it is extremely more conducive to improvement.  thanks for this; we would appreciate in the future if you can give specifics like this instead of just holding funds to make some point.

it was said in other topic:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/ - get involved
+ invitation for devs? - https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/hiring-devs-for-nxt/
+ invitation for marketing? - https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/
+ for journalists http://justpaste.it/nxt-introduction-4-journalists
+ for shops http://justpaste.it/accept-nxt
- already added :)

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/what-nxt
- very old info
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/what-nxt still mostly about NXT and not about Nxt as a platform

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-green-earth-friendly
- too short, no links to the technical theses

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-green-earth-friendly
- superold info, no links to the technical theses

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging
- superold info

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-colored-coins
- superold info, no links to published articles
- everything is short, outdated, without links to our papers and theses..

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-green-earth-friendly
"outdated" link to old forum: https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewforum.php?f=15 (from "Visit the Nxt • 24/7 Help Desk")
- already repaired :)

installation errors:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log
- people will download it and use weak password, because on that page there is only some superunimportant changelog (for new users)
- from my point of view - a BIG problem reported in January https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg33340.html#msg33340
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2014, 04:41:27 am »

About Wiki - I am glad you came with this - I still think Joe will come with some info about wiki - right now I know there are 46.000 visits and there were 36.000 visits 40 days ago (archive.org). I also know there were tons of work done in December and January - so I sent there 50.000 for these 2 months (= 25.000/1 month). Then we were slowly establishing our committees, so before that I sent there at least 10.000 to cover new efforts. The thing is - we don't know how look the global numbers here - is wiki translated from 10 percent? Or 50? Is wiki going to get 100k or 1 million in the end? That is the question :D

This is probably the wrong thread for this, but since it was mentioned here:

Wiki visit stats (Google Analytics)

MonthUnique VisitorsNumber of VisitsPagesHits
January15,64635,688394,817616,155
February12,16222,390199,332339,580
March13,33623,627139,901238,710

Translation statistics (many numbers are low but people tend to focus on translating MAIN pages):

Spanish - 61%
Brazilian Portuguese - 37%
Dutch - 32%
Simplified Chinese - 30%
Italian - 15%
French - 12%
Finnish - 6%
Indonesian - 6%
Chinese - 5%
German - 5%
Greek - 5%
Czech - 3%
Belarusian - 1%


Bounties paid to translators (Jan & Feb; no bounty was made available for March):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkfSNgBIzmvXdHcxSnBMUkp3bWFubzdfVmJySGVTX2c&usp=sharing
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2014, 07:42:33 pm »

you can compare these sites:

nxter.org
- 53 news since March on the site, 51 tweets: rewarded by 1000 NXT

before: rewared by 20.000 from donator and 4.000 from small marketing funds
(…)
FYI (The 4000 is 1000 Nxt pr. newsletter (2-3 days work). I have published 7?)

Please don't use your 1000 Nxt payment to nxter.org to justify what QBTC deserves.

This is about her efforts.

We are not beggars. We decide for ourselves, and that's the issue Damelon is bringing up with his proposal.

I have no voting power here, but to me it's obvious that this payment should be supported.

Private donations are private and has nothing to do with marketing committee funds or the CfB/Neer.g marketing fund, that you sit on.

/apenzl

PS. I'm interested in your answer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg6049181#msg6049181

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FYI (The 4000 is 1000 Nxt pr. newsletter (2-3 days work). I have published 7?)
I just wanted to correct this misinformation. It's not 1000 pr. newsletter anymore, it has been changed to 1000 Nxt pr. month, with retrospective. Move on.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2014, 01:52:16 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty
yes,talking the amount of the bounty is much sense.
here is my opinion.
http://www.damelon.nl/mcforum/index.php?topic=22.0
another,nxt.org is maintained by her ?
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2014, 08:40:52 pm »

OK, it seems that we can agree that payment for services rendered can be done, as well as for future work.

The other part that needs to be determined now is the amount.

I have already made a proposal in the OP.

Can we move to that part of the discussion?
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« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2014, 09:15:48 pm »

That part of the MC forum isn't visible to others :)
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2014, 12:07:15 am »

Not to mention that discussion here for transprency's sake is good
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« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2014, 12:10:10 am »

Not to mention that discussion here for transprency's sake is good

You mean like the last time we debated an issue in the open and then got asked to "get our act together"?

We need a place where we can be safe to disagree. We were elected to make these decisions, and some of the discussion does not require input from the whole community.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #48 on: April 09, 2014, 12:32:23 am »

Youre right, my bad i guess i forgot what thread i was in.
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[MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #49 on: April 09, 2014, 12:42:59 am »

Youre right, my bad i guess i forgot what thread i was in.

You're in the right thread... kinda...

Just to clarify, this is how the Marketing Committee operates: the *proposal* gets posted here... and then we *debate finer points amongst ourselves* as committee members in our private little bear pit ;)  If needed, we ask follow up questions to the community/proposer here. Then we vote. And the whole committee stands behind the outcome.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2014, 06:23:07 pm »

This proposal, in amended form has been voted on and approved:

- 160,000 Nxt immediately to be paid for services rendered in the months December up till April
- After that 25,000 Nxt to be paid monthly on the 1st of the month. This last payment is subject to the site and social media being maintained, of course.

Voting thread can be found here: http://www.damelon.nl/mcforum/index.php?topic=32.0
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2014, 06:39:24 pm »

This proposal, in amended form has been voted on and approved:

- 160,000 Nxt immediately to be paid for services rendered in the months December up till April
- After that 25,000 Nxt to be paid monthly on the 1st of the month. This last payment is subject to the site and social media being maintained, of course.

Voting thread can be found here: http://www.damelon.nl/mcforum/index.php?topic=32.0

Wow! I'm honored by your generosity! Thank you :)
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