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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 12:18:17 am »

Just would like to add, She made the promotional images used for the NXT starcraft showmatch i put on awhile ago.

http://i.imgur.com/Db1sizr.png

Able to be seen there.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 01:00:26 am »

Just would like to add, She made the promotional images used for the NXT starcraft showmatch i put on awhile ago.

http://i.imgur.com/Db1sizr.png

Able to be seen there.

ho wow, I did not know Nxt sponsor a starcraft show match. These two starcraft pro players are well known.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 01:09:44 am »

ho wow, I did not know Nxt sponsor a starcraft show match. These two starcraft pro players are well known.

Yes, it was a 25,000 NXT Showmatch put on awhile ago. I am currently working on possibly putting on a starcraft 2 tournament but still waiting on approval from the marketing committee before moving forward on that. The details from it is in the starcraft 2 tournament proposal in this forum if you would like to look into it.

Anyway this thread isnt about starcraft, So lets try and keep it on topic.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2014, 01:41:28 am »

Guys, don't kill salsa! And... just give QBTC what she deserved.   I remember when they didn't chose her logo, she made some very positive post and obviously did quite a lot for Nxt without begging for bounty. She helped a lot and she deserves to get paid. 

p.s. when we are so decentralised, we need to learn to be calm and "see" and walk through the chaos. Stay solid. I believe in you guys!
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2014, 04:14:23 pm »

Thank you for the 3000 NXT from the Marketing Fund!
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2014, 04:30:40 pm »

I have worked with QBTC from the very beginning on nxtcrypto, before anyone currently on this committe were ever involved in marketing.  Not once has she ever done any prima donna crap like threaten to just drop everything and leave, like quite a few others have done.  She has always been 100% professional.  Ill hope that future threads like this will not be required for her to get paid.  She should not have to extract what has been promised for her work.

Salsa, you are just going to have to deal with your personal issues with her, whatever they may be, and keep them separate and work with all of us here, including her.  You volunteered for this committee, so if you think something of hers needs working on then MAKE IT PUBLIC HERE so everything will be out in public.  Quit pulling this passive aggressive pussy bullshit where you just not pay out as some means to send a message.  That is not how business is done.  We are a team, communication is key, its why we developed these forums.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2014, 07:55:15 pm »

I am the only one here who was actually reporting errors on nxtcrypto, reporting bugs there etc and also the only on guy (with klee) who already was paying to qtbc, so please stop posting fuds here, thanks

When I went to Berlin conference, I couldn't tell guys there to go to nxctrypto, because: a) installation guide is very unfriendly, I reported this in January. Nothing was updated after 70 days of waiting.

Newbies dont care about nice pictures, they need to know how they can use Nxt client, where they can buy Nxt and what is Nxt. On Nxtcrypto you get info about Nxt from December - very outdated, I reported it in public threads. https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/msg5062/#msg5062

These installing sites should be most important on the web, but they are the worst there:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/install-nxt-software-your-computer

- and once again, problems with these sites were reported in January

So the question is - why do you want to drop huge funds to the site that cannot be used for promotion due to the outdated info on most of the sites and with a huge problem with very important part  - installation guide
« Last Edit: April 03, 2014, 08:01:30 pm by salsacz »
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 12:02:11 am »

Salsacz: this isn't (currently) about keeping the site running into the future, but to pay for the work she has already done.
My self and 3 other guys are developing NXT.org in the same theme as the "What is NXT?" video (collaborating with the guy who made the video).
We are going for a very clean, seamless and professional look.
I envision NXT.org to take over the spot of NXTCrypto.org as the "official" NXT site.
Me and QBTC discussed this yesterday with Tai on Skype, so she is aware of these developments.

This isn't about funding into the future, but for what she has ALREADY done, but not been compensated for.
And not only for the website. Is the website perfect? No, but it has been all we've had for a long time. It was the first we had and it was A LOT better than a lot of the template websites that was put up in a hurry.
It's also for Facebook, Twitter, logos/designs, community involvement in the forums and so on.

She has asked for help, but very few has helped, so you cannot put it on her for not having run a 100% perfect website.


This goes back to why we have lost so many important marketers, developers and activists in general: there is no incentive for people to stick around. What message are we sending to new comers if the veterans amongst us is supposed to just work hours and hours daily on NXT without compensation and gratitude?

The only reason you feel that you can sit on your high horse and critize is that you were LUCKY to be compensated early on, partially thanks to me vouching for you and praising you for being a active member of the community.
I wont go into any beef with you now, but please do not even think for one minute that you are in a position to critize QBTC and her work.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 05:52:18 am »

My self and 3 other guys are developing NXT.org in the same theme as the "What is NXT?" video (collaborating with the guy who made the video).

Who owns that domain now?

When is the site going live?
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2014, 07:25:16 pm »

So the question is - why do you want to drop huge funds to the site that cannot be used for promotion due to the outdated info on most of the sites and with a huge problem with very important part  - installation guide

Actually, this is nót the question at all.

The question is multifold:

1) Do we want to compensate someone who has consistently promoted Nxt, provided us with social media outlets, updated (*even when she wasn't receiving the backup she needed*)?
2) Do we want to have her do this in the near future? With this goes nxtcrypto, the possibility to expand nxtcrypto (which already has considerably more traffic than ANY new site would have at this moment), and a social media portfolio with ever 9000 Facebook followers and over 1300 Twitter followers that has been consistently and daily updated.
3) Do we really want to spend the time building all this again (MINUS the social media) on the basis of a domain name?

To me the answers to 1) and 2) are a clear "yes" and a big "no" to question 3).

Moving sites on the basis of a domain name is a silly move. To paraphrase your last sentence:

"Why do you want to drop huge funds in a site that hasn't even been developed yet, has no traffic, has no plan that we have seen, and is basically an unknown"?

This is about knowing when someone is professional, and knowing when you need to invest in these people. I am amazed that you are taking this stance and sincerely question your judgement in being able to see if someone is a professional or not.

This is not FUD, it's a sincere concern based on your reactions here. You pick out one case (the installation guide) for which you clearly should know that this has been a communitywide problem for months and conveniently forget the months of daily work. I cannot see why you do this. I cannot see why you would wilfully try to want to build a site from scratch. I cannot see why you would not want to see that the work done by QBTC is much larger than nxtcrypto.

I may come accross as angry, and I freely admit it. Moreover, I am ashamed of the way we could end up treating our people.
Are we planning to sít on these funds for fear of spending them while at the same time we are bleeding dry of true talent because we are just plain ungrateful?
This is not only about money! This is about appreciation and supporting people.

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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2014, 09:09:32 pm »

you can compare these sites:

nxter.org
- 53 news since March on the site, 51 tweets: rewarded by 1000 NXT

before: rewared by 20.000 from donator and 4.000 from small marketing funds

nxtcrypto.org
- 8 news in nxt online section, 100 tweets: rewarded by 3000 NXT
before: rewarded by 30.000 from donator and 3.500 small marketing funds

And these funds were created by me, rewarded by me, by tables created by me, etc - all were publicly released so anyone could comment them

I won't be sassy to all of you here why you did nothing to fund these people in the past. I did it to continue with klee's old donation program, I created small rewards and funds, nobody was helping to me, nobody was commenting my rewarding tables

so these small updates of the site and social profiles were already paid

+ we had public voting about our best sites and social sites:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4566202#msg4566202

+ nobody here was helping qtbc with testing the site and updates - only I was doing this in last months: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg38002.html#msg38002 + https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2014, 09:32:55 pm »

I won't be sassy to all of you here why you did nothing to fund these people in the past. I did it to continue with klee's old donation program, I created small rewards and funds, nobody was helping to me, nobody was commenting my rewarding tables

Comparing these sites is quite useless. You could just as well compare my own site with the summaries. Why is that a bad comparison? Because there has been no bounty requested. Stick to the topic at hand instead of constantly bringing in non-relevant stuff. Rewards from donators are not relevant to the discussion either. Those are "luck" or maybe even business deals. We do not know this.

As to your funding efforts:
No one is commenting on them now. This is about the question in the first post. Not about the rewards in the past. Again: this is not relevant.

As to why "we" did not fund these people in the past: where did that come from? This committee is quite new, and the funds for it weren't there.
Or do you mean: out of our own pockets? Please be clear if you mean that. Non-relevant.

On commenting: Nobody has been commenting? I remember quite clear commenting on the lowering wiki payouts by 35,000 Nxt without announcing it. Never got an answer back.

For the things that are done well, indeed, well done. This is, I will repeat this again, not about the funding in general: this is about the issue in the first post.

As to the last link: I don't see how a vote from January 17th (nearly a quarter year old) is pertinent to a post today.

I also see that both FB and G+ are left out of the equation, as is all the behind the scenes work and graphics work.

This is becoming extremely tiresome.

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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2014, 09:46:35 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2014, 09:56:08 pm »

guys, she did post in here she got paid.  why are we still arguing here?  and yes, lets stay on topic of this post please.  And salsacz please expound on what you mean when you keep saying "nxtcrypto.org is very outdated"?  do you mean the www site or wiki?  Please keep in mind that joefox runs wiki and qbtc runs www.  Earlier I tried to address this with the assumption that you meant www and I gave some input which I havent heard back yet - I believe the info there is still accurate.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2014, 09:58:00 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty

I agree that it's not useful to continue this discussion between us. It's abundantly clear that we will not agree on this and this is why we have voting. I've made my points, you have made yours.

Let's leave it at that.

guys, she did post in here she got paid.  why are we still arguing here?

Edit: The 3000 she mentioned had nothing to do with the proposal in OP.
That is indeed for the site as mentioned in Salsacz's doc.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2014, 10:15:07 pm »

As I said: I already managed to pay for nxtcrypto.org updates. If Nxt site asks for 10x higher bounty, it should be useful. Nxtcrypto is not useful, because if a new user wants to download Nxt wallet, he goes here: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log - downloads the program, closes the window, installs Nxt - and uses a weak brainwallet, because he was not warned on this download site: http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log (as I was telling 70 days ago). Nxtcrypto also is not useful, because it doesn't bring the newest info about Nxt - see outdated info about nxt features.

Let's stop killing me for mentioning these obvious facts and go with allwelder and decide about amount of the bounty

you are really stretching, and close to being intentionally intellectually dishonest - JLP resolved the weak passphrase warning issue a very long time ago.  You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2014, 10:29:39 pm »

guys, she did post in here she got paid.  why are we still arguing here?  and yes, lets stay on topic of this post please.  And salsacz please expound on what you mean when you keep saying "nxtcrypto.org is very outdated"?  do you mean the www site or wiki?  Please keep in mind that joefox runs wiki and qbtc runs www.  Earlier I tried to address this with the assumption that you meant www and I gave some input which I havent heard back yet - I believe the info there is still accurate.
hi,
thank you for asking,

my concerns about outdated parts were published here in the same minute as OP of this thread (so Damelon was writing this topic while I was checking our websites): https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/msg5062/#msg5062

About Wiki - I am glad you came with this - I still think Joe will come with some info about wiki - right now I know there are 46.000 visits and there were 36.000 visits 40 days ago (archive.org). I also know there were tons of work done in December and January - so I sent there 50.000 for these 2 months (= 25.000/1 month). Then we were slowly establishing our committees, so before that I sent there at least 10.000 to cover new efforts. The thing is - we don't know how look the global numbers here - is wiki translated from 10 percent? Or 50? Is wiki going to get 100k or 1 million in the end? That is the question :D
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2014, 10:32:13 pm »

You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.

messages feature was already released
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2014, 01:55:43 am »

You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.

messages feature was already released
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging

ok now this is specific, and constructive.  it is extremely more conducive to improvement.  thanks for this; we would appreciate in the future if you can give specifics like this instead of just holding funds to make some point.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2014, 03:00:20 am »

You still have not said what is outdated.  All its info is accurate; we should not be advertising features *that are not in production yet*.

messages feature was already released
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging

ok now this is specific, and constructive.  it is extremely more conducive to improvement.  thanks for this; we would appreciate in the future if you can give specifics like this instead of just holding funds to make some point.

it was said in other topic:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/ - get involved
+ invitation for devs? - https://nxtforum.org/technical-development-applications/hiring-devs-for-nxt/
+ invitation for marketing? - https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/
+ for journalists http://justpaste.it/nxt-introduction-4-journalists
+ for shops http://justpaste.it/accept-nxt
- already added :)

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-coin/what-nxt
- very old info
http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/what-nxt still mostly about NXT and not about Nxt as a platform

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-green-earth-friendly
- too short, no links to the technical theses

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-green-earth-friendly
- superold info, no links to the technical theses

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-chat-messaging
- superold info

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-colored-coins
- superold info, no links to published articles
- everything is short, outdated, without links to our papers and theses..

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-coin/nxt-green-earth-friendly
"outdated" link to old forum: https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewforum.php?f=15 (from "Visit the Nxt • 24/7 Help Desk")
- already repaired :)

installation errors:

http://www.nxtcrypto.org/?q=nxt-change-log/nxt-0813-change-log
- people will download it and use weak password, because on that page there is only some superunimportant changelog (for new users)
- from my point of view - a BIG problem reported in January https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg33340.html#msg33340
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