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[MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC! - APPROVED
« on: April 02, 2014, 01:23:07 pm »

I have been looking at this for a while now and am BAFFLED by how badly QBTC is treated by the Marketing people!
She has been instrumental in keeping the site and social media going, and is even *paying* to boost posts on Facebook.

She has done:

- website: setup, server (a GOOD one), maintenance , design
- weekly news: https://paper.li/NxtCrypto/1393244031
- Facebook: setup, daily maintenance, pays for boosting posts.
- Google +: setup and daily maintenance
- Twitter: setup and daily maintenance
- Original art for banners and to use on FB and social sites for sharing
- Remade the images in the center of the front page of website at hi res for soemone who requested them for use in a brochure
- Integrated audio in the site and podcasting and made the art for this.


She is fobbed off with 3000 Nxt on 17-02 and 500 Nxt on 05-03!

Then, to boot, she is getting flack for the fecking design, while in truth wé, as a community, didn't take lead there.
Now, with the new design, she is almost immediately shoved to the side and not included into the process, if I hadn't brought these people into contact with her and asked them to include her.

Can you imagine how she feels? She feels underappreciated and misused, and I completely agree. This is disgusting and shameful.

I want this rectified by giving her a significant bounty and monthly payment for the *shitload* of work this professional woman is doing for us!
No one, and I mean *no one* of us has the experience she has. She heads a bloody Marketing bureau for over 20 years, for Pete's sake!

YOU DO NOT WASTE ASSETS!

If we want to be cheapskates towards the people that put in loads of free time, then we have a bloody big problem.
There are projects out there that offer real money to talented people and we will lose them damn quickly if we don't start rewarding people for the work they do.

I move to award here *at least* 40,000 Nxt for each month of work, which comes to 160,000 Nxt till now and grant the same for at least the next three months, to be paid in monthly installments on the first of every month.

Without this work, we would have been *nowhere*.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2014, 01:34:24 pm »

honestly, im surprised that shes even stuck around.  ive even tried to advocate for her on a few occasions, not too much came out of it.

so dont take it personally when I say I havent had too terribly much faith in the marketing community if its taken you guys this long to notice such a resource

good on you guys for rectifying though.  good luck!
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2014, 01:35:41 pm »

you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17

but I don't agree, did you read, what is on that site? almost every page there is outdated. this site is extremely unusable for newbies, there were many thefts thanks to the bad installation sites. I asked for the change 2 months ago and nothing was repaired
« Last Edit: April 02, 2014, 01:44:44 pm by salsacz »
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 01:38:53 pm »

salsacz, refrain yourself.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2014, 01:49:06 pm »

you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17

but I don't agree, did you read, what is on that site? almost every page there is outdated. this site is extremely unusable for newbies, there were many thefts thanks to the bad installation sites. I asked for the change 2 months ago and nothing was repaired

I am really amazed by this reaction.
You want to put the responsibility for not being up to date on the shoulders of the site owner who has asked NUMEROUS times for help and didn't get any?

That is so blunt and harsh, I cannot even imagine where that comes from.

Look at the site and social media, not to mention being *on call* all through the conferences in Miami and Texas for NiftyNikel and rickyjames for making and sending them material.

I am not even going into that discussion. It's extremely insulting to someone who has consistently provided a platform for us to work on and who has never said "no".

I will put it even more bluntly: ïf we don't do this, we will lose her and I wouldn't blame her. We will have a BIG problem if that happens. This woman has helped Nxt actually exist, get money into your pockets. We have 2,9 million Nxt that has value because of her.

The time for working for free is over. Time to stop being skinflints towards people who have MORE that earned their fare.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2014, 02:02:24 pm »

the most important part is about installation of the NRS and it is still very unfriendly, althought I asked for it in January https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg33340.html#msg33340
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2014, 02:23:16 pm »

you mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17

but I don't agree, did you read, what is on that site? almost every page there is outdated. this site is extremely unusable for newbies, there were many thefts thanks to the bad installation sites. I asked for the change 2 months ago and nothing was repaired

Hey, its not like you werent warned, before things got out of date, that she couldnt keep up with it w/o compensation, and that sans that, her work on it would just be a hobby.

But hey, we all get it, she is supposed to continue to work for free.  right.......  So basically, someone who stepped up in the VERY BEGINNING, did TONS of QUALITY work, KNOWS what the fuck she is doing in this arena,  (have you seen the amount of her followers), is supposed to bow down to you personally and work for free, only because her previous work wasnt sanctioned by you before you were even elected to the committee.  I get it now. sheesh.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2014, 02:26:57 pm »

forkedchain: sorry, but I am the only one here who already paid her and is going to pay her more, it is in open bounty table - and also in a gdoc - as a prepared payment
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 02:27:33 pm »

the most important part is about installation of the NRS and it is still very unfriendly, althought I asked for it in January https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2065.msg33340.html#msg33340

This is a non-argument where this is concerned.
I note loads of issues in that thread that were solved almost immediately.

I notice that we don't have TF, AT, AE completely installed yet, either. These were also already promised in January.
Shall we vote not to pay any of our developers?

Of course not. Because we know they are working *around the clock*.

I hope you are noticing how many professional and qualified people are flocking to Nxt to be of service for free. That's right: not many.
We either start paying, or we become a laughing stock. It's really that simple.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2014, 02:31:32 pm »

Damelon: I hope you will comment such posts next time

17-02-2014, 10:33:37 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg5194670#msg5194670
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2014, 02:35:55 pm »

I would be happy to help with the website if that helps at all.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2014, 02:37:29 pm »

I would be happy to help with the website if that helps at all.
good :) here is a topic about Nxt websites: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2014, 02:44:13 pm »

Damelon: I hope you will comment such posts next time

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Since you bring this up yourself (and I did not want to do this), my request is based on our talk last week that this hadn't been paid and no communication was given to QBTC about it.
The last payment was 17-02, with a further 500 on 05-03.
Last week I asked about this and was told (and forwarded the info to QBTC) that payment would be made on the first of the month.

With a community that has a bad track record of paying, how do you think it works if then you do not receive payments on the promised day once again?

Are you going to trust that you will *eventually* get it? Hell, no. If I have a bad payer, I chase him, because actions in the future are a good indication of actions to follow.

Are you going to ask for it? Hell, no. Because she shouldn't have to *beg*. She deserves to be treated with the respect she is due to the sterling work she has done to help us as a community to grow.

I was trying not to open that can of worms. I will however not be made to look like I was trying to make you look bad. You may have noticed I talk in the "we" form for most of my posts. That's because I am just as much to blame here as anyone else. I ám however, committed to rectifying it, because

a) I want us to realise that being a skinflint will weaken the community
b) This is not a case of uncertain ROI. QBTC has already *given* us value
c) I really think that if we lose the one really professional marketing person, we are in deep doo-doo.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 02:54:42 pm »

it takes many hours to fill this list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=17 (nobody helped: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg6001035#msg6001035)

nobody cares about commenting how to improve our websites, so I had to do it during monthly check, as you can see, it was post in the same time like Dam.'s post: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-websites/msg5062/#msg5062

as you can see, she was paid and she will be paid. Anyone was invited to comment this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=412243.msg5194670#msg5194670 where I suggested to pay her months ago
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 02:55:23 pm »

i dont think he cares about that.  apparently his stance is that when someone quits due to nonpayment, he knows there are others who will step up.  well this will only work a few times, then no one will do anything.

When you contact her, please find out how much bounty she's received versus how much shes paid out of pocket, and how much (if any) was left for her stash as reward for work.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 03:06:20 pm »

don't forget about previous payment from unclaimed coins funds: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=8315774601191702237 30k
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 04:11:15 pm »

don't forget about previous payment from unclaimed coins funds: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=8315774601191702237 30k

Don't know what this is, but 10715382765594435905 is Bter.
These are the community funds.

I would like to hear from the other marketing committee members :)
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 10:33:41 pm »

Salsa

 Can you please provide a list with all payments made to QBTC with dates and amounts.

 All these links are confusing, and links to blockchain transactions don't help clarify.

 

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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 10:52:15 pm »

You can add that she sorted me out with a superb NXT logo for the Bitcoin2014 conf.
I just asked, and it magically appeared, so QBTC gets much love from me.....

Looking at the rest of the work she's done compared to the payment she's received so far...it doesn't seem fair, unless she's an original stakeholder.
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Re: [MC] Proposal to immediately fund QBTC!
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 11:39:43 pm »

shes
You can add that she sorted me out with a superb NXT logo for the Bitcoin2014 conf.
I just asked, and it magically appeared, so QBTC gets much love from me.....

Looking at the rest of the work she's done compared to the payment she's received so far...it doesn't seem fair, unless she's an original stakeholder.

shes not, her stash is well under 1M
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