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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #660 on: October 14, 2014, 01:39:37 pm »

i have done many works to NxtAT, but i don’t get a nxt payment.
i suggest that Vbecas transfers NxtAT funding to Pouncer or Msin. And they will decide how to do payment with it.

It shouldn't happen like this. From my knowledge there are at least two fund resources available for AT project which are supposed to make payment to you for your work:
1) 180,000 Nxt from Nxt TechDev fund, which was sent to Ciyam and some of which was supposed to be your payment.
2) the about 1 Million Nxt raised from the sale of NxtAT asset, some of which was also supposed to be your payment.

Did you mean you had not received any payment from the above funds?
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #661 on: October 14, 2014, 01:48:30 pm »

With recieved payments from the asset fund (and before that from some donations) for the first tests tasks. We will recieve another payment when we finish and provide the testnet.
I just dont want to release any payments until we provide the testnet.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #662 on: October 14, 2014, 02:03:44 pm »

With recieved payments from the asset fund (and before that from some donations) for the first tests tasks. We will recieve another payment when we finish and provide the testnet.
I just dont want to release any payments until we provide the testnet.

Did you mean you had not sent any payment to btc2nxt?
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #663 on: October 14, 2014, 02:05:18 pm »

For the tests we did back in time.. yes .. he has taken more than 250k till now same as i did
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #664 on: October 14, 2014, 02:07:21 pm »

You can check all the payments from the blockchain explorer
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #665 on: October 14, 2014, 02:07:57 pm »

For the tests we did back in time.. yes .. he has taken more than 250k till now same as i did

That makes sense. Thanks.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #666 on: October 14, 2014, 04:54:21 pm »

Bit confused about the roadmap and payments, but looks like things are progressing well.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #667 on: October 15, 2014, 01:19:41 am »

NxtAT needs node to test, testport = 5876, peer =5874
anyone can help?

i am not sure whether NxtAT goes to testnet2 with source code or not.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #668 on: October 15, 2014, 07:09:58 am »

It seems btc2nxt is the only one left in NxtAT team. vbecas and ciyam has moved on to integrating qora.  if that is the case, as a major NxtAT asset holder, i suggest that the NxtAT --- NXT ACCOUNT be transferred to a committee.

Nxt AT money should not be controlled anymore by vbecas or ciyam.  As they have already shown that their interest lie elsewhere and they have left the team.  To leave the keys to them presents a moral hazard or * conflict of interest *.   

I strongly agree btc2nxt suggestion that it should be controlled by a committee like pouncer or msin.  Any funds to be disbursed out should be approved by the committee.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #669 on: October 15, 2014, 07:10:27 am »

It seems btc2nxt is the only one left in NxtAT team. vbecas and ciyam has moved on to integrating qora.  if that is the case, as a major NxtAT asset holder, i suggest that the NxtAT --- NXT ACCOUNT be transferred to a committee.

Nxt AT money should not be controlled anymore by vbecas or ciyam.  As they have already shown that their interest lie elsewhere and they have left the team.  To leave the keys to them presents a moral hazard or * conflict of interest *.   

I strongly agree btc2nxt suggestion that it should be controlled by a committee like pouncer or msin.  Any funds to be disbursed out should be approved by the committee.

I hope other asset holders would come out and voice their opinion regarding this matter.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #670 on: October 15, 2014, 07:21:58 am »

A committee or trusted member of the community should handle this.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #671 on: October 15, 2014, 07:32:07 am »

A committee or trusted member of the community should handle this.

I cast vote for Bitcoinpaul, his positive karma is one of the highest.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #672 on: October 15, 2014, 07:51:50 am »

I am still in nxtAT team, I will release the code probably today, but is better to start running the testnet during the weekend so i can provide support for any errors that may happen (as then i will be home all day), and i will stick around for at least until the project and the code flows as expected.

I was upset the previous days for various reasons, but now is more clear to me, and after all this is *my baby* and I want to see it out there.

Btc2nxt can provide some  support, but he is not fully able yet to do it, especially in more complex problem's that may come.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #673 on: October 15, 2014, 12:46:15 pm »

I am still in nxtAT team, I will release the code probably today, but is better to start running the testnet during the weekend so i can provide support for any errors that may happen (as then i will be home all day), and i will stick around for at least until the project and the code flows as expected.

I was upset the previous days for various reasons, but now is more clear to me, and after all this is *my baby* and I want to see it out there.

Btc2nxt can provide some  support, but he is not fully able yet to do it, especially in more complex problem's that may come.

yes, all copy & paste work are done by me. 8)
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #674 on: October 15, 2014, 01:17:09 pm »

I understand Atomic Cross Chain Transactions are an end goal of the AT project as a whole. Qora is selling assets to crowd fund their implementation with a promise of sharing the revenue.

Let's say, in the future, I did an Atomic Cross Chain Transaction between Nxt and Qora and pay an AT fee (plus Nxt min fee). Who gets the Nxt AT fee? Nxt AT asset holders, Qora AT asset holders or is it split?


Or do neither get any of the fee and they only get shares of your consultancy work for AT? (i.e. a single dividend payment every time you get a consultancy commission)


Thanks for helping to clear this up for me.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #675 on: October 15, 2014, 01:28:46 pm »

There is no Nxt AT fee. There are only blockchain fees.

Asset holders get consultation fees or part of revenue stream (lotto for example).
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #676 on: October 15, 2014, 01:44:42 pm »

Let's say, in the future, I did an Atomic Cross Chain Transaction between Nxt and Qora and pay an AT fee (plus Nxt min fee).

There is no a solution for trustless ACCT between PoS currencies. It works only for PoW.

PS: Now you don't need an answer to your question. :)
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #677 on: October 15, 2014, 01:48:34 pm »

NxtAT needs node to test, testport = 5876, peer =5874
anyone can help?
- I can help, I have spare VPS.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #678 on: October 15, 2014, 01:53:08 pm »

I was under the impression that there would be higher fees for AT transactions as they were a bigger load on the network?

Or am I out of date now, I have been away a while...



There is no a solution for trustless ACCT between PoS currencies. It works only for PoW.

Noted, I will have to take your word but I don't want to read a pseudo flame session  :) Having said that and at the risk of fuelling what I just wanted to avoid, are all ACCT fundamentally not trustless in POS? Or did you discuss with CIYAM his implementation and feel there is a flaw here?


And remember, let's stay friends  :D  I don't want it so that you can't mention some things on his forum without tribal war breaking out.
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Re: Information of the AT project
« Reply #679 on: October 15, 2014, 01:58:03 pm »

Noted, I will have to take your word but I don't want to read a pseudo flame session  :) Having said that and at the risk of fuelling what I just wanted to avoid, are all ACCT fundamentally not trustless in POS? Or did you discuss with CIYAM his implementation and feel there is a flaw here?


And remember, let's stay friends  :D  I don't want it so that you can't mention some things on his forum without tribal war breaking out.

CIYAM's and my methods is the same method, we devised it together in the beginning of working on AT. Yesterday I just improved it, but it's still based on idea appeared during our convo via Skype several months ago. It's fundamentally inapplicable to PoS currencies.
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