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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #300 on: November 10, 2014, 03:21:37 pm »

jl777, I agree half with you about asset purpouse (although I'm sure this idea isn't shared by all investors), but this option about don't do anything isn't good for initial investors, although each share represents more hasrate, this will be diluted between new investors, I mean, new investors are getting cheaper hashrate than if they buy directly to ltcgear (what would be more "fair" for initial investors withouth need to increass the shares or increass the price, would be take some kind of snapshot of assets before the multiplication and let them freezed, spliting that hashrate always between that shares, I mean, the 13ghash after multiplication will be always for that X shares, although this will be very difficult if some them sell their assets "would need colored assets haha") OR make a new asset each multiplication...
So, in my opinion, the best option is to increass the shares 35% to initial investors and newcomers pay at current price.
It is confusing to me how people think that if the asset gains 35% hashrate that somehow they are not benefiting. I think you are not counting the fact that new purchasers will be increasing the overall hashrate.

For example, existing assetholders could sell all their assets and then repurchase. If the new purchasers are getting some advantage, then doing this would be of benefit, but clearly there is no change of anything if you do this.

James

Yes and no, new hashrate is coming, yes, but cheaper than previous hashrate for newcomers, of course is better come here now than buy to ltcgear, but doesn't make any sense sell here now to buy here again of course, but if I had put the same money directly in ltcgear, I now could sell my litecoin gear shares for * 1.35 of the initial investment, then come here, and buy that shares at the same price as in ltcgear but each share now worth me more than in litecoingear.
Am I missing something? The problem is that if new people come here now, they are getting more than if they buy directly after the multiplication, I mean, they avoided the risk of invest early and still become rewarded

Checking with some not accurate numbers:
Suppose:
Case no extra assets given to initial investors:
Before multiplication: 8205Mhash/2000000shares=0.0041mhas/share
After multiplication: 11076.75Mhash/2000000sahres= 0.00538mhash/share
Now one investor buy 160000shares-> (11076.75+656"bought with the 160knxt")mhash/2160000shares=0.00543mhash/nxt
Initial investor with 200000shares now worth 200000*0.00655=1086.26mhash

Case initial investors have received 35% extra shares:
(11076.75+656)mhash/(2000000*1.35+160000)shares=0.00431mhash/share
Now initial investor have 270k shares"200000*1.35"->270000*0.00495=1166.36mhash


What am I missing?  ???

its hilarious to watch a group of people debate a ponzi scheme like its real  ;D
The asset isn't a ponzi, the issue about if ltcgear is a ponzi is another matter... we aren't discussing that here
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #301 on: November 10, 2014, 03:33:10 pm »

hi pf
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened? now!
why?
multiplication has happened. The total hashpower of HRLTCgear has been increased. But keep in mind so has the hashrate of all other LTCgear customers

James

Actually, multiplication has not happened yet, at least on my account.  Wouldn't worry about it - it will happen eventually, but just don't hold your breath :-p  Check back in a few days lol.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #302 on: November 10, 2014, 03:51:34 pm »

hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #303 on: November 10, 2014, 04:15:39 pm »


The asset isn't a ponzi, the issue about if ltcgear is a ponzi is another matter... we aren't discussing that here

an asset that buys shares in a ponzi is a ponzi by default. ltcgear is definitely a ponzi and it will all come out in the wash soon enuff. 
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #304 on: November 10, 2014, 04:22:34 pm »

Somebody must be sad he didn't get enough packs prior to multiplication.

In other news:
3252 share(s) gained from referrals (Oct 30 - Nov 5) qASICs 3252
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #305 on: November 10, 2014, 04:42:01 pm »

In other news:
3252 share(s) gained from referrals (Oct 30 - Nov 5) qASICs 3252

Good, but what does this equate to in MH as a percentage of existing MH?
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #306 on: November 10, 2014, 04:59:12 pm »

hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.

I don't mind too much the earnings difference, but if want things well done, requieres work, if someone starts an asset and have earnings from manage it is obvious he have to work on it and have some headaches thinking about "at least is what I would do, and seems pf think in ways to improve the asset, don't get me wrong"
I bought into this asset instead directly into ltcgear for comodity and help nxt price go up with some more buy pressure, but that doesn't mean I don't want to benefit of the multiplication, call me greedy if you want, but if I pay for something I want to receive that something... When i buy 1kg apples, I want 1kg, no 800g and not be greedy.

And about the payout day, I suppose all of us agree and understand that can be difficult to get that nxt, only want to know he is here and buying that nxt, silecnce isn't confortable for weak hand or profesional hodlers :P
Is the second time I invest in something which looks a bit like a ponzi, so I'm scared hehe "first time didn't went well  :'( " so undertand that I want to understand the situation all the possible


The asset isn't a ponzi, the issue about if ltcgear is a ponzi is another matter... we aren't discussing that here

an asset that buys shares in a ponzi is a ponzi by default. ltcgear is definitely a ponzi and it will all come out in the wash soon enuff. 
Ponzi is how the scheme works, the scheme of this asset and the disscussion we are having is specially to avoid the more little analogy with a ponzi and everyone have the same opportunity obeying ltcgear rules. And if you have any evidence about ltcgear is a ponzi show it to us please, the feeling about is a ponzi is easy to have, I also have it haha
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #307 on: November 10, 2014, 05:22:58 pm »


And about the payout day, I suppose all of us agree and understand that can be difficult to get that nxt, only want to know he is here and buying that nxt, silecnce isn't confortable for weak hand or profesional hodlers :P

agree totally, but pf has a reputation here before this asset so you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. being a bad communicator is not the same as running a scam, yet you would think they are, based on what was said in this thread.

also, look who said what and how often. the silence was the same for everyone, but only a few freaked out. they are the ones with gambling problems and need to diversify their portfolios to balance risk. and i'm not just talking about buying different assets on the AE. never risk what you can't afford to lose.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #308 on: November 10, 2014, 06:33:06 pm »


And about the payout day, I suppose all of us agree and understand that can be difficult to get that nxt, only want to know he is here and buying that nxt, silecnce isn't confortable for weak hand or profesional hodlers :P

agree totally, but pf has a reputation here before this asset so you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. being a bad communicator is not the same as running a scam, yet you would think they are, based on what was said in this thread.

also, look who said what and how often. the silence was the same for everyone, but only a few freaked out. they are the ones with gambling problems and need to diversify their portfolios to balance risk. and i'm not just talking about buying different assets on the AE. never risk what you can't afford to lose.

I give him the benefit, "only thought he could have an incident in real live while he was coming back from the dinner at parents home  :-X " I talked him some times and seems legit, but who knows... I dislike when he doesn't reply me in long time and see him posting in another threads about not very important things... I know he should be busy, but give answers to his investors would be a good habit, I see communication isn't his strenght "yet" :P

And of course I only invest what I can, every cent I invest in internet comes in origin from my gtx580 and i7 980x in 2011, so not much to lost, anyways hurts a bit if I see 1k usd vanishing in seconds...
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #309 on: November 10, 2014, 06:34:45 pm »

In my defense, nowhere in the OP did it clearly state that payouts would be sent immediately on fridays.  I have clarified things with the 2nd post in the thread (payouts will be before Saturday night (the day following LTCgear payouts) and right before HRNXTPOOL pays out.
HRNXTPOOL has usually paid out on either saturday or sundays previously, so I did not think this was going to be as big of a deal as it was.

Also, in my defense, the combination of HRNXTPOOL, HRLTCGEAR and Hashrate.org have paid out a combined total of over 2.6 million NXT so far.  (HRNXTPOOL and HRLTCGEAR are both over 800k and Hashrate.org is at like 1.05 million)
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #310 on: November 10, 2014, 08:50:55 pm »

In my defense, nowhere in the OP did it clearly state that payouts would be sent immediately on fridays.  I have clarified things with the 2nd post in the thread (payouts will be before Saturday night (the day following LTCgear payouts) and right before HRNXTPOOL pays out.
HRNXTPOOL has usually paid out on either saturday or sundays previously, so I did not think this was going to be as big of a deal as it was.

Also, in my defense, the combination of HRNXTPOOL, HRLTCGEAR and Hashrate.org have paid out a combined total of over 2.6 million NXT so far.  (HRNXTPOOL and HRLTCGEAR are both over 800k and Hashrate.org is at like 1.05 million)
You don't need to defend yourself, you're doing nice, we only want you to be a bit more comunicative :) , you are manageing many money, put ypurself in the situation of the investor, you would want to know what is going on with your money, wouldn't you?
It's fine if you pay monday or wednesday, but keep us informed, by the way I already asked to put in the OP a screenshot of current asic shares.

Do you decided finally what to do with the multiplication?
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« Reply #311 on: November 10, 2014, 08:54:12 pm »



And indeed, as I had already announced plans to issue the 15% bonus shares according to the snapshot that I posted a page back that will still happen.

The share price will stay at 1 NXT for the future however.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #312 on: November 10, 2014, 08:57:41 pm »

I have full trust in pf. Imho HRLTCGEAR is by far the the best mining asset on NXT AE.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #313 on: November 10, 2014, 09:07:51 pm »

I assume the theory of keeping the asset at 1 NXT per is that the return on 1 share will always be a stable X% because the increase in hashing power is designed to keep the same rate of return.

If that is the case, then the value of the asset is based on it's return and not how much hashing power it equates to. So, if 10,000 shares pay 1500 NXT per week today, and also one year from now, then new investor are getting the same value per share as early investors.

One thing I am curious about is the cutoff for payouts. If someone buys X shares hours before payout, do they get a payout for that week? If so, perhaps they either shouldn't or it should be prorated.

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« Reply #314 on: November 10, 2014, 09:10:34 pm »

Yes and no, new hashrate is coming, yes, but cheaper than previous hashrate for newcomers, of course is better come here now than buy to ltcgear, but doesn't make any sense sell here now to buy here again of course, but if I had put the same money directly in ltcgear, I now could sell my litecoin gear shares for * 1.35 of the initial investment, then come here, and buy that shares at the same price as in ltcgear but each share now worth me more than in litecoingear.
Am I missing something? The problem is that if new people come here now, they are getting more than if they buy directly after the multiplication, I mean, they avoided the risk of invest early and still become rewarded

You are getting an increase in shares right? You either get more shares or the original issue price of the asset goes up. Isn't the math the same either way?
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« Reply #315 on: November 10, 2014, 09:11:40 pm »

hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.

isn't BUYing good for NXT?
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #316 on: November 10, 2014, 09:20:07 pm »

hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.

isn't BUYing good for NXT?

yes, absolutely - IF it is sustained buying. but that's not what we have here. pf has to crash into the market to convert all at once to meet a timetable to pay asset holders before they get jumpy.
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« Reply #317 on: November 10, 2014, 09:28:10 pm »

I assume the theory of keeping the asset at 1 NXT per is that the return on 1 share will always be a stable X% because the increase in hashing power is designed to keep the same rate of return.

If that is the case, then the value of the asset is based on it's return and not how much hashing power it equates to. So, if 10,000 shares pay 1500 NXT per week today, and also one year from now, then new investor are getting the same value per share as early investors.

One thing I am curious about is the cutoff for payouts. If someone buys X shares hours before payout, do they get a payout for that week? If so, perhaps they either shouldn't or it should be prorated.
Based on the way that LTCGear works, as long as you buy the shares prior to the payout day you get paid out for the whole week.
In past weeks, this hasn't been as much of a problem (there have been minimal investors investing the day of payouts).
This poses a problem is somebody say, invests 200,000 NXT last minute and I don't have time to convert it to LTCgear shares in time.
This is why the payouts use the block height from the day prior to the payout fridays.

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« Reply #318 on: November 11, 2014, 05:52:24 am »

waiting......
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
« Reply #319 on: November 12, 2014, 12:26:59 am »

Still waiting on LTCGear to finish multiplication.
I am going to be testing the asset distribution script with some test assets, so some of you may notice that you will shortly become holders of pfststast.
The multiplication shares that will be sent out will be as follows (as per my post a few pages back).

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NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2 62500
NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B 33000
NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN 30000
NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57 19082
NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW 18540
NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9 17145
NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC 15000
NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT 12903
NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD 9750
NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX 8895
NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ 8289
NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9 7801
NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN 7500
NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP 7500
NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE 6000
NXT-VLMC-UFDD-DSJ2-EH8VS 5702
NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C 5528
NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL 5400
NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86 5100
NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ 4890
NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M 4500
NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM 4083
NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7 3900
NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F 3750
NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L 3600
NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5 3000
NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT 3000
NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T 3000
NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4 3000
NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W 3000
NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA 3000
NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX 2700
NXT-2VD5-3VPM-KYES-6A5BT 2250
NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ 1875
NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27 1799
NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93 1575
NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH 1505
NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG 1500
NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY 1500
NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U 1500
NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY 1500
NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25 1493
NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM 1482
NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS 1269
NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8 1205
NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3 1200
NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB 1097
NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3 1005
NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M 990
NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL 936
NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH 921
NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH 921
NXT-4HFF-7TTU-YTVL-AVMWV 855
NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM 840
NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K 825
NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM 790
NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA 766
NXT-PFBN-NBW2-E3B7-G3MHM 750
NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX 750
NXT-DHL3-UJKW-JJAG-6R9BJ 713
NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX 594
NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV 548
NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7 525
NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW 525
NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T 491
NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33 465
NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K 450
NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF 450
NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT 450
NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS 450
NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4 450
NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V 443
NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT 420
NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6 390
NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV 376
NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3 375
NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9 375
NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD 334
NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN 300
NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M 300
NXT-TU23-XMYB-722V-5LWVC 300
NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22 300
NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ 280
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NXT-TW9P-CA3V-YUAQ-HSXMG 1
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