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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2014, 10:07:59 pm »

Sorry Cryptographer, I didn't mean to selectively pick on your asset (I just picked yours because yours currently has the highest weekly dividends - but it's also the most expensive).
The same thing can be said for the ROI periods for SAAS, LTCShares2G, HRNXTPOOL and satoshi's various mining ventures - they will all likely have an ROI period considerably longer than HRLTCGEAR.

how long do you think this will be better than ltc2nXt? since i own both your asset and this one. kinda doing a test between them

HRLTCgear will always be better than ltc2nxt - he doesn't take a cut of mining income.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #81 on: October 19, 2014, 10:20:42 pm »

HRLTCgear will always be better than ltc2nxt - he doesn't take a cut of mining income.

It certainly shows in the dividend. :)
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #82 on: October 20, 2014, 01:17:02 am »

Sorry Cryptographer, I didn't mean to selectively pick on your asset (I just picked yours because yours currently has the highest weekly dividends - but it's also the most expensive).
The same thing can be said for the ROI periods for SAAS, LTCShares2G, HRNXTPOOL and satoshi's various mining ventures - they will all likely have an ROI period considerably longer than HRLTCGEAR.

Ok thanks for explaining yourself. You're right, LTC2G is the most expensive per share, but has only 20000 shares - fewer than any of the others you mentioned. So actually it is very under-priced compared to similar assets. Currently, LTC2G owns a total of 4.4 GH/s and each share is 0.22 MH/s = 45.5 NXT per 0.1 MH/s. Hashpower will double in the next several weeks. In 2 months, total hashpower will triple to 15 GH/s (0.75 MH/s per share), and at 100 NXT each, that will be 13.3 NXT per 0.1 MH/s - by far the least expensive of any mining asset on the NXT AE, including HRLTCGEAR. Share prices are steadily increasing, instead of remaining fixed at a certain value. We also have the highest estimated APR, and will make 100% ROI in only 12 weeks at 100 NXT/share.

Instead of comparing to LTC2G, why don't you compare to your other asset? At current price of 79 NXT/share, this week's HRNXTPOOL dividend - the largest one ever - was 1.44%.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2014, 03:40:51 am by Cryptographer »
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #83 on: October 20, 2014, 02:08:49 am »

HRLTCGEAR allows people to choose their own reinvestment rate, up to 100%.  This will let users who choose to do so grow their own investment at a rate that will far exceed any of the other mining assets.
I am just finishing up the web interface to let people see their current reinvestment percentages (changing it will still require an AM to me however) so they can see ahead of each payout what particular reinvestment percentage they are going to see.
They can even choose 100% reinvestment for a few weeks in a row, then switch to 0% reinvestment if they need some NXT for whatever reasons, then they can switch back to 100% the following week. :)
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #84 on: October 20, 2014, 04:28:15 am »

Great payout! I doubled my investment.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #85 on: October 20, 2014, 04:59:17 pm »

Hi all,

I can also arrange for btc purchases of these shares (to keep sell pressure down on exchanges).

I am willing to arrange for btc purchases at 5 percent off from the bter daily average. For well known community members I will send first as long as they post in this thread first, all others will require us to either use some form of eschrow or the buyer will have to send first.

Please post in this thread if interested in this.  Please note that it will still only pay out in NXT each week, but gives an interesting opportunity for people holding btc.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #86 on: October 21, 2014, 09:45:13 pm »

We just purchased an additional 960 MH worth of LTCgear equipment, and I will still be placing another order still today.
I suspect we will see dividends of approximately 15-16% again this week (LTC difficulty hasn't gone up too much and LTC price is about the same)
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and I will have the web portal working tonight so people can see their own personal reinvestment percentages, and I have all the bugs worked out of the new python dividend-distribution/reinvestment script. :)
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #87 on: October 21, 2014, 10:14:51 pm »

We just purchased an additional 960 MH worth of LTCgear equipment, and I will still be placing another order still today.
I suspect we will see dividends of approximately 15-16% again this week (LTC difficulty hasn't gone up too much and LTC price is about the same)
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and I will have the web portal working tonight so people can see their own personal reinvestment percentages, and I have all the bugs worked out of the new python dividend-distribution/reinvestment script. :)

COOL!  We need some good news to offset the FunBut fiasco.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #88 on: October 22, 2014, 12:46:59 am »

I believe pf. :D
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #89 on: October 24, 2014, 04:02:43 pm »

when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
« Last Edit: October 24, 2014, 04:12:21 pm by cexylikepie »
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #90 on: October 24, 2014, 04:28:44 pm »

when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #91 on: October 24, 2014, 04:34:09 pm »

when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.

i'd much rater increase holdings, also, the dividend payout?
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #92 on: October 24, 2014, 04:34:23 pm »

when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.

I prefer allocating the 35% to the current share, not issuing new shares. Issuing more shares would eventually require the issue of  a new asset to account for the new shares required
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #93 on: October 24, 2014, 04:37:45 pm »

when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.

I prefer allocating the 35% to the current share, not issuing new shares. Issuing more shares would eventually require the issue of  a new asset to account for the new shares required

if you get 35% more shares you sill get the 35% more dividend PLUS if you ever need to divest you can sell the shares. i'd rather switch over to ltc2nxt before the multiplication if it were the other way.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2014, 04:42:34 pm »

HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #95 on: October 24, 2014, 05:02:25 pm »

HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)

the holdings thing is huge, since if we dont get any additional assets there will be no real increase. if everyone knows that they will get a straight 35% increase in the asset AND dividends it will encourage many more people to participate. I will not continue to hold this asset if it goes the other way however sicne it would be far more profitable for me to buy ltc2nxt.

lets use real numbers as an example. say there is asset A and B. both assets pay identical percentage dividends, (lets say 10% every time for the sake of discussion) but asset A multiplies shares and asset B just makes the shares give more dividends. we also assume that both assets have a fixed price of 1 nxt. (hrltcgear being 1 and ltc2nxt being 25 in real life, but this is irrelevant.)

Now lets invest 10,000 nxt into both a week before multiplication.
10,000 Asset A=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week
10,000 Asset B=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week

the multiplication happens and now you have
13,500 Asset A= Worth 13,500 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt
10,000 Asset B= Worth 10,000 nxt with 13.5% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt a week.

So why would anyone want asset B when A is available?

in this scenario, i would sell all my asset B and buy all i could of A, get the multiplication, and then move all of the 13,500 nxt back to asset B and take advantage of the new 13.5% dividend without ever having to hold the asset when the multiplication happened. and on top of that i would have 13500 nxt to invest instead of 10,000
« Last Edit: October 24, 2014, 05:04:54 pm by cexylikepie »
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #96 on: October 24, 2014, 05:05:03 pm »

HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)

the holdings thing is huge, since if we dont get any additional assets there will be no real increase. if everyone knows that they will get a straight 35% increase in the asset AND dividends it will encourage many more people to participate. I will not continue to hold this asset if it goes the other way however sicne it would be far more profitable for me to buy ltc2nxt.

lets use real numbers as an example. say there is asset A and B. both assets pay identical percentage dividends, (lets say 10% every time for the sake of discussion) but asset A multiplies shares and asset B just makes the shares give more dividends. we also assume that both assets have a fixed price of 1 nxt. (hrltcgear being 1 and ltc2nxt being 25 in real life, but this is irrelevant.)

Now lets invest 10,000 nxt into both a week before multiplication.
10,000 Asset A=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week
10,000 Asset B=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week

the multiplication happens and now you have
13,500 Asset A= Worth 13,500 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt
10,000 Asset B= Worth 10,000 nxt with 13.5% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt a week.

So why would anyone want asset B when A is available?

Isn't the math the same. If you took the 350 extra payout and bought 350 more assets?
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #97 on: October 24, 2014, 05:09:59 pm »

HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)

the holdings thing is huge, since if we dont get any additional assets there will be no real increase. if everyone knows that they will get a straight 35% increase in the asset AND dividends it will encourage many more people to participate. I will not continue to hold this asset if it goes the other way however sicne it would be far more profitable for me to buy ltc2nxt.

lets use real numbers as an example. say there is asset A and B. both assets pay identical percentage dividends, (lets say 10% every time for the sake of discussion) but asset A multiplies shares and asset B just makes the shares give more dividends. we also assume that both assets have a fixed price of 1 nxt. (hrltcgear being 1 and ltc2nxt being 25 in real life, but this is irrelevant.)

Now lets invest 10,000 nxt into both a week before multiplication.
10,000 Asset A=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week
10,000 Asset B=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week

the multiplication happens and now you have
13,500 Asset A= Worth 13,500 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt
10,000 Asset B= Worth 10,000 nxt with 13.5% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt a week.

So why would anyone want asset B when A is available?

Isn't the math the same. If you took the 350 extra payout and bought 350 more assets?

no because i would have at the end 13,500 assets with a 13.5% dividend without ever even having to hold when the multiplication happened, see the edit where i went a little further
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #98 on: October 24, 2014, 05:12:43 pm »

cexy, either way would work out to the exact same profitability for investors.

Each share sold is 1/N of the dividends. (with N being the number of shares held by accounts other than the asset issuer).  Assuming multiplication week the dividends go up 35%.

If the dividends go up 35% without increasing N, that effectively makes each share 35% more profitable.
If N is increased 35%, each shareholder will still recieve the same amount of total dividend (just a lower dividend per share - but they will each have 35% additional shares).
I will likely do the additional share distribution because it should keep the share continuing to perform around the 15% weekly ROI.  I agree with cexy's assessment that it will be nice for the people who bought say, 10,000 assets to physically be able to see 13500 assets instead.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
« Reply #99 on: October 24, 2014, 05:19:57 pm »

cexy, either way would work out to the exact same profitability for investors.

Each share sold is 1/N of the dividends. (with N being the number of shares held by accounts other than the asset issuer).  Assuming multiplication week the dividends go up 35%.

If the dividends go up 35% without increasing N, that effectively makes each share 35% more profitable.
If N is increased 35%, each shareholder will still recieve the same amount of total dividend (just a lower dividend per share - but they will each have 35% additional shares).
I will likely do the additional share distribution because it should keep the share continuing to perform around the 15% weekly ROI.  I agree with cexy's assessment that it will be nice for the people who bought say, 10,000 assets to physically be able to see 13500 assets instead.

i am definitely not arguing that the shares would become less profitable, but is what i said incorrect? couldnt someone exploit it with what i said before?
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