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Title: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on October 08, 2014, 02:10:16 am
LTCgear has been having issues with payments, this asset is entirely on hold pending LTCgear resolving their issues and paying out the missing payments.  Dividends will be caught up at that point.


Hashrate.org and the HRNXTPOOL are pleased to announce the launch of an additional asset, HRLTCGEAR (asset number:  10890135065820123998).  This asset is being released to ensure that investors have a chance to invest in LTCgear ASIC shares with as low of an overhead/management as possible. LTCgear shares are currently available with a 49% discount coupon applied to them, as well as a 8% discount for paying in bitcoin and then an additional 11% off by using your own affiliate account.  I am in the process of discussing volume discounts with LTCgear as well, to try and get an even better possible price for the asset.

The cost per MH has been steadily decreasing since the asset began.  Our most recent shares have been purchased for less than $2.50 per MH. 

HRLTCGEAR has issued 100,000,000 assets, and will be priced at 1 NXT per share. This price will not go up.  Each share will represent 1/N of the LTCgear dividends earned, with N representing the number of shares that are owned by people other than the asset issuer. Unsold shares will be excluded from dividend calculations entirely. The shares will be released to the AE in smaller quantities and as each batch sells out, the LTCgear equipment will be purchased and additional shares will be put on the AE for sale. 

Instead of any management fee, HRNXTPOOL will be awarded with 10% of the active shares. This means for every 9 HRLTCGEAR shares that are sold on the AE, HRNXTPOOL will recieve 1 shares and the dividends from those shares will be split amongst the HRNXTPOOL holders. HRLTCGEAR dividends will be sent each week a few blocks prior to the HRNXTPOOL shares.

**disclaimer:  I own a 10% stake of HRNXTPOOL, which means that I will directly profit ~1% from all HRLTCGEAR shares sold.

Due to LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days, there will be no automatic reinvestment back into additional hashrate.  Shareholders can, however, request a percentage of reinvestment that they would like to see on an individual basis.

This reinvestment percentage will simply be awarded on a 1 NXT per share basis (the same price the asset costs), so a shareholder that earned 5,000 NXT dividend one week who wanted a 50% reinvestment would recieve 2,500 NXT and 2,500 additional HRLTCGEAR shares. 

Shareholders are welcome to adjust their individual reinvestment ratios at any time during the week via AM to the asset issuer from the account that owns the asset.  I will reply to each AM once I have adjusted your reinvestment ratio.
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: pf on October 08, 2014, 02:10:42 am
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.  (PST).
HRLTCGEAR will always pay out just prior to HRNXTPOOL.
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Post by: pf on October 08, 2014, 02:10:58 am
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Post by: pf on October 08, 2014, 02:11:14 am
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Post by: TwinWinNerD on October 08, 2014, 02:25:25 am
combobreaker?

Edit: PM me if you need me to remove it :D
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Post by: lucky88888 on October 08, 2014, 03:13:43 am
OMG SOMETHING HUUUUGE IS COMING!  Better get some nxt ready!!  :o
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Post by: sparta_cuss on October 08, 2014, 06:12:51 am
Interested.
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Post by: printshop on October 08, 2014, 06:18:39 am
seventh!
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Post by: shin on October 08, 2014, 06:42:56 am
Another pre-announced Asset? :P
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Post by: Artila on October 08, 2014, 08:42:23 pm
Already feel as if I'm missing out :)
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Post by: Sebastien256 on October 08, 2014, 08:44:09 pm
lol, pf has reserved a forum topic. That one is really funny  :D
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Post by: cobaltskky on October 08, 2014, 11:05:54 pm
It's a reserved spot to pre-announce an announcement ABOUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
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Post by: m30188 on October 08, 2014, 11:19:15 pm
It's a reserved spot to pre-announce an announcement ABOUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT.
This is an observation of a comment about a reserved spot to pre-announce an announcement about an announcement.
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Post by: sv3n on October 08, 2014, 11:26:46 pm
Reserving this spot for future posts about reserving threads for undisclosed future use for posting posts
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Post by: 2Kool4Skewl on October 09, 2014, 01:57:32 am
(http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/shut-up-and-take-my-money-meme-visa-bank-card.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT, low management fees
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 04:53:33 am
Sorry guys, haha, I had to reserve the thread in order to make a tinyURL for the asset description. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: satoshi on October 09, 2014, 05:16:39 am
welcome to the ltcgear related NXT AE asset issuer club.  ;D

Unique approach, nicely priced will be interesting to see what the payouts are.

All the best and long live ltcgear  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Cryptographer on October 09, 2014, 06:31:04 am
Nice idea pf!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 09, 2014, 07:44:10 am
How can price stay at 1 Nxt if "LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days" won't this be higher than the difficulty and increase overall payout of HRLTCGEAR, so increasing its value more than it initial 1 Nxt price?

Or I don't understand what you do with the LTCGear multiplication, please explain.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: rlh on October 09, 2014, 11:35:15 am
Why did I have to read this in the morning, when I'm at work and not near my client to buy!

Awesome to hear, and I'll try to pick up som share tonight.

:D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Stadtfeger on October 09, 2014, 12:24:07 pm
too expensive.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 09, 2014, 12:28:48 pm
too expensive.

What would be a good price?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 02:29:08 pm
Hi Seb,

The 1.35 multiplication every 45 days is intended by LTCgear to overcome difficulty increases, which should keep the value of the shares at a consistent level over time.

As the OP also mentions, any particular shareholders can request a higher reinvestment percentage at any time (in which case their particular reinvestment percentage would be applied at each week's payouts and that % of their NXT would be sent to them as additional assets instead.)

By the way, I see that our first 180,000 shares have been sold.  If there are no shares available for 1 NXT please don't pay any more than that, as the asset issuer will post another order for additional shares at 1 NXT ASAP afterwards.
20,000 shares have been sent to the HRNXTPOOL dividend account (NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B) as well.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 09, 2014, 03:12:14 pm
Hi pf,

could you plan an exit strategy for small holder, similiar to the funbot asset?
Thanks
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 03:22:21 pm
By exit strategy Seb, do you mean a buy wall @ 0.95 NXT / HRLTCGEAR?
I can do this with a small portion of the funds raised thus far, and then any shares that get bought back would go back to being deactivated and no dividend being paid out on them (as the asset issuer would own them again).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 09, 2014, 03:45:59 pm
By exit strategy Seb, do you mean a buy wall @ 0.95 NXT / HRLTCGEAR?
I can do this with a small portion of the funds raised thus far, and then any shares that get bought back would go back to being deactivated and no dividend being paid out on them (as the asset issuer would own them again).

Yes, this is what I mean. Exit possibility is good as it promote in some sense investment (as people know they can get out if they want to go out fast). Otherwise people that want to exit need to wait for someone to buy in.

You got to make sure that your buy back price drop % is lower than the % amount of dividend in one week otherwise some people may abuse of it.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: SpreadingTruth on October 09, 2014, 04:03:05 pm
Does HRLTCGEAR currently own any qASIC shares or you are just using asset sales to buy shares?  Do 100% of asset sales go towards buying shares or do you keep some for profit? This is not mentioned in OP.

Also, I assume when the multiplication happens you simply send a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares to asset holders? Also not clear in OP.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: cobaltskky on October 09, 2014, 04:37:58 pm
Bought some. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 04:38:19 pm
Does HRLTCGEAR currently own any qASIC shares or you are just using asset sales to buy shares?  Do 100% of asset sales go towards buying shares or do you keep some for profit? This is not mentioned in OP.

Also, I assume when the multiplication happens you simply send a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares to asset holders? Also not clear in OP.
100% of asset sales go towards buying LTCgear shares (at the cheapest possible price - I am not out to skim off the top.  The shares get 49% off with  a coupon code, then 8% off for using BTC to pay, then an additional 11% discount awarded for using your own affiliate account to order the shares.  I do not plan on skimming that 11% for myself, or making a single NXT off of the asset issuance)

For every 9 HRLTCGEAR shares that are sold, 1 HRLTCGEAR share is sent to the HRNXTPOOL dividend account. 
This means effectively I make about 1% profit off of future dividends, but no profit up front from share sales (as I own 10% of HRNXTPOOL).
When the multiplication happens, the HRLTCGEAR shares won't get sent out as a dividend - just the total hashrate of the HRLTCGEAR asset increases.  Each share is worth 1/N of the total hashrate, with N being shares owned by accounts other than the asset issuer.

Shareholders who request a reinvestment percentage however, will recieve additional shares as dividends (on a 1 share per NXT) basis according to whatever percentage they choose to reinvest.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 09, 2014, 04:47:13 pm
How can price stay at 1 Nxt if "LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days" won't this be higher than the difficulty and increase overall payout of HRLTCGEAR, so increasing its value more than it initial 1 Nxt price?

Or I don't understand what you do with the LTCGear multiplication, please explain.

Yea, this doesn't make sense. Basically, the more shares that are sold, the less my holdings will be worth.

Shouldn't 1 share = X amount of LTCGear share? The asset should be issued at the right price. Let's say 1 asset = 1 MH/s at LTC Gear.

As it is now, I want to be the ONLY person with shares so I get 100% of the payout.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 05:08:59 pm
How can price stay at 1 Nxt if "LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days" won't this be higher than the difficulty and increase overall payout of HRLTCGEAR, so increasing its value more than it initial 1 Nxt price?

Or I don't understand what you do with the LTCGear multiplication, please explain.

Yea, this doesn't make sense. Basically, the more shares that are sold, the less my holdings will be worth.

Shouldn't 1 share = X amount of LTCGear share? The asset should be issued at the right price. Let's say 1 asset = 1 MH/s at LTC Gear.

As it is now, I want to be the ONLY person with shares so I get 100% of the payout.
The more shares that are sold, the higher the hashrate of the total pool as well though.  So while you will own a smaller percentage of the payout, the payout will increase (keeping your dividend approximately the same)
The 1.35 multiplier by LTCgear is intended to mitigate the effects of difficulty increases, not to increase profitability.
This asset is intended for people who wish to invest in LTCgear equipment without having to deal with the hassle of converting to NXT, etc.  It is intended as a long term dividend asset, not a speculative asset that will increase in price.   The side effect of this asset will be also to increase the HRNXTPOOL dividends, as it will receive 10% of the weekly dividends to be distributed amongst it's shareholders.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 09, 2014, 05:27:43 pm
OK that makes a little more sense. Thanks for the clarification.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 06:17:23 pm
Keep in mind, that you can also send me an AM and choose to reinvest even 100% of your assets if you want for the first weeks (or for however long you choose).  This is a good chance for people who are interested in buying into LTCgear but don't have the funds to spend the $753 up front buying a full package to be able to buy in, and slowly grow their holdings, without having to pay for the whole package up front.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 09, 2014, 06:29:01 pm
Any basic calculations of how much LTC each HRLTCGER share will bring per week? (yes, I know you convert dividends to NXT). Also, any possibility of payout directly in LTC?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: rlh on October 09, 2014, 06:31:20 pm
Any basic calculations of how much LTC each HRLTCGER share will bring per week? (yes, I know you convert dividends to NXT). Also, any possibility of payout directly in LTC?

...or mgwLTC.  Curious, why aren't you pointing this at Hashrate.org, and mining the most profitable scrypt coin?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 09, 2014, 06:55:29 pm
Any basic calculations of how much LTC each HRLTCGER share will bring per week? (yes, I know you convert dividends to NXT). Also, any possibility of payout directly in LTC?

...or mgwLTC.  Curious, why aren't you pointing this at Hashrate.org, and mining the most profitable scrypt coin?

LTCGear mines LTC. (afaik you can't point to any pool you want).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 09, 2014, 07:07:43 pm
Any basic calculations of how much LTC each HRLTCGER share will bring per week? (yes, I know you convert dividends to NXT). Also, any possibility of payout directly in LTC?

...or mgwLTC.  Curious, why aren't you pointing this at Hashrate.org, and mining the most profitable scrypt coin?

LTCGear mines LTC. (afaik you can't point to any pool you want).
Exactly, LTCgear mines LTC or FTC directly via the coin daemons.  I've asked them before if they would be able to point some of their ASIC equipment at our pool, but likely we would need a bigger stake before they would be willing to do that. I will inquire with them now, though.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: SpreadingTruth on October 09, 2014, 07:49:55 pm
Does HRLTCGEAR currently own any qASIC shares or you are just using asset sales to buy shares?  Do 100% of asset sales go towards buying shares or do you keep some for profit? This is not mentioned in OP.

Also, I assume when the multiplication happens you simply send a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares to asset holders? Also not clear in OP.
100% of asset sales go towards buying LTCgear shares (at the cheapest possible price - I am not out to skim off the top.  The shares get 49% off with  a coupon code, then 8% off for using BTC to pay, then an additional 11% discount awarded for using your own affiliate account to order the shares.  I do not plan on skimming that 11% for myself, or making a single NXT off of the asset issuance)

For every 9 HRLTCGEAR shares that are sold, 1 HRLTCGEAR share is sent to the HRNXTPOOL dividend account. 
This means effectively I make about 1% profit off of future dividends, but no profit up front from share sales (as I own 10% of HRNXTPOOL).
When the multiplication happens, the HRLTCGEAR shares won't get sent out as a dividend - just the total hashrate of the HRLTCGEAR asset increases.  Each share is worth 1/N of the total hashrate, with N being shares owned by accounts other than the asset issuer.

Shareholders who request a reinvestment percentage however, will recieve additional shares as dividends (on a 1 share per NXT) basis according to whatever percentage they choose to reinvest.

Ah ok that's nice. So how many qASIC shares does HRLTCGEAR own right now?

Also, if each share is always worth 1/N of the current holdings, and price is always 1 NXT, and you don't send additional shares when the 1.35 multiplier is applied, what is reason to hold these shares longterm? I can buy Thursday for 1 NXT, get the dividend payment on Friday and sell for 0.999 NXT on Saturday.  What reason to holding them long term?

What will you do if discount code goes away or price changes? Shares will still be 1 NXT and still be 1/N of current holdings?  If coupon code on LTCgear goes away, it will be bad for early investors because newcomers will still get equal portion of holdings even though price has gone up. Interesting idea but doesn't seem to make sense.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 09, 2014, 07:54:31 pm
I think discount code are just bullshit. Imo, price per Mh/s will alwys go down as it is the case with bitcoin.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: jl777 on October 09, 2014, 08:02:26 pm
Does HRLTCGEAR currently own any qASIC shares or you are just using asset sales to buy shares?  Do 100% of asset sales go towards buying shares or do you keep some for profit? This is not mentioned in OP.

Also, I assume when the multiplication happens you simply send a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares to asset holders? Also not clear in OP.
100% of asset sales go towards buying LTCgear shares (at the cheapest possible price - I am not out to skim off the top.  The shares get 49% off with  a coupon code, then 8% off for using BTC to pay, then an additional 11% discount awarded for using your own affiliate account to order the shares.  I do not plan on skimming that 11% for myself, or making a single NXT off of the asset issuance)

For every 9 HRLTCGEAR shares that are sold, 1 HRLTCGEAR share is sent to the HRNXTPOOL dividend account. 
This means effectively I make about 1% profit off of future dividends, but no profit up front from share sales (as I own 10% of HRNXTPOOL).
When the multiplication happens, the HRLTCGEAR shares won't get sent out as a dividend - just the total hashrate of the HRLTCGEAR asset increases.  Each share is worth 1/N of the total hashrate, with N being shares owned by accounts other than the asset issuer.

Shareholders who request a reinvestment percentage however, will recieve additional shares as dividends (on a 1 share per NXT) basis according to whatever percentage they choose to reinvest.

Ah ok that's nice. So how many qASIC shares does HRLTCGEAR own right now?

Also, if each share is always worth 1/N of the current holdings, and price is always 1 NXT, and you don't send additional shares when the 1.35 multiplier is applied, what is reason to hold these shares longterm? I can buy Thursday for 1 NXT, get the dividend payment on Friday and sell for 0.999 NXT on Saturday.  What reason to holding them long term?

What will you do if discount code goes away or price changes? Shares will still be 1 NXT and still be 1/N of current holdings?  If coupon code on LTCgear goes away, it will be bad for early investors because newcomers will still get equal portion of holdings even though price has gone up. Interesting idea but doesn't seem to make sense.
regardless of the changings in the current hashrate per NXT, this is a pool so the risks are shared. Also, the interests of the investors and the management are aligned as the only benefit to HRNXTpool is if these assets payout

this is not a speculative asset, but more of an income asset. if you trust pf to know how to get good prices and deal with mining, then this is a good asset as for much less work than dealing with all the issues, you just need to buy the asset. also being able to specify your own dividend reinvestment rate is a nice thing that allows each assetholder to determine what percentage they want in income versus compounding

since the LTCgear is doing a compounding themselves, there is not the need to do it, but having the option lets each person decide.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: jl777 on October 09, 2014, 08:05:13 pm
I think discount code are just bullshit. Imo, price per Mh/s will alwys go down as it is the case with bitcoin.
there is this risk that the LTCgear hashrate boosts will not be enough to compensate for difficulty increases
at a 60/40 reinvestment on top of the LTCgear boosting, it is likely that you can actually stay ahead of the mining rate increases

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: SpreadingTruth on October 09, 2014, 11:09:44 pm
Ok.. Of course, you do own 60% of HRNXTPool so it's a good idea for you to encourage people to buy HRLTCGEAR...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: cobaltskky on October 09, 2014, 11:24:56 pm
Ok.. Of course, you do own 60% of HRNXTPool so it's a good idea for you to encourage people to buy HRLTCGEAR...

Makes sense.  Interlocking business ventures.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: jl777 on October 09, 2014, 11:55:11 pm
Ok.. Of course, you do own 60% of HRNXTPool so it's a good idea for you to encourage people to buy HRLTCGEAR...
I make no specific encouragement, just trying to explain the asset.

Now since your handle is spreadingtruth, I would like to see how I own 60% of HRNXTpool. I distinctly remember divesting a large percentage of it. I am still benefiting from HRNXTpool indirectly, but it is nowhere near 60% ownership. so let us not become "spreadingdisinformation"

 I have made it no secret that I am advising pf on business and asset issues and I did come up with this pooling of LTCGEAR ASIC hashpower at a reasonable management fee as I got tired of all the bickering about this type of thing. Now people that want to get LTCGEAR can get it at a small premium over cost and also be able to make their own DRIP (dividend reinvestment program)

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: SpreadingTruth on October 10, 2014, 12:07:11 am
You're right, the assets started by you own most of it, sorry. No disinformation intended.

EDIT:
BY THE WAY-

James, I am a huge supporter and thank you very much for all your hard work on NXT and your incredible generosity in sharing your wealth with the community! It is very respectable, and if more wealthy people had your attitude, the world would be a better place.



I am just a skeptical person and was pointing something out...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 10, 2014, 12:08:40 am
Disinformation.
James actually sent a good percentage of HRNXTPOOL out as dividends to asset holders of NXTVENTURE, I believe.
There are over 200 different shareholders of HRNXTPOOL.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: jl777 on October 10, 2014, 12:18:15 am
You're right, the assets started by you own most of it, sorry. No disinformation intended.
better but still on the disinformation side of things...

I believe 10% is in JLH (I actually own a relatively small percentage of JLH) and InstantDEX has a big chunk, but I have ~20% of InstantDEX, so all told I think I am around 10% beneficial owner of HRNXTpool

maybe I am off a bit on these numbers, as I am not tracking such things. I just do what I can to help people make better assets and of course work on my assets

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 10, 2014, 04:36:16 am
OK, I bought a small amount. How do I tell you to reinvest? I just want to reinvest 100% for now.

Is there a minimum amount before the payouts to minimize fees?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: JamesList on October 10, 2014, 09:50:27 am
I think discount code are just bullshit. Imo, price per Mh/s will alwys go down as it is the case with bitcoin.
there is this risk that the LTCgear hashrate boosts will not be enough to compensate for difficulty increases
at a 60/40 reinvestment on top of the LTCgear boosting, it is likely that you can actually stay ahead of the mining rate increases

It's not allways good to reinvest. Especially because of the recent btc/ltc price fall. The roi increased to over 8 weeks.

Personally i wait for new products by ltcgear.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 10, 2014, 10:03:51 am
I think discount code are just bullshit. Imo, price per Mh/s will alwys go down as it is the case with bitcoin.
there is this risk that the LTCgear hashrate boosts will not be enough to compensate for difficulty increases
at a 60/40 reinvestment on top of the LTCgear boosting, it is likely that you can actually stay ahead of the mining rate increases

It's not allways good to reinvest. Especially because of the recent btc/ltc price fall. The roi increased to over 8 weeks.

Personally i wait for new products by ltcgear.
500% APR is not enough for you?
Me personnaly do not trust ltcgear too much. It is impossible to maintain even 100% APR in the long-term.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: JamesList on October 10, 2014, 10:17:38 am
I think discount code are just bullshit. Imo, price per Mh/s will alwys go down as it is the case with bitcoin.
there is this risk that the LTCgear hashrate boosts will not be enough to compensate for difficulty increases
at a 60/40 reinvestment on top of the LTCgear boosting, it is likely that you can actually stay ahead of the mining rate increases

It's not allways good to reinvest. Especially because of the recent btc/ltc price fall. The roi increased to over 8 weeks.

Personally i wait for new products by ltcgear.
500% APR is not enough for you?
Me personnaly do not trust ltcgear too much. It is impossible to maintain even 100% APR in the long-term.

Another reason for not reinvest much.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: whatnxt on October 10, 2014, 10:48:49 am
Hi pf,
I like the new asset but I seem to be missing something in the description.
You say:
Each share will represent 1/N of the LTCgear dividends earned, with N representing the number of shares that are owned by people other than the asset issuer. Unsold shares will be excluded from dividend calculations entirely.

  Shareholders can, however, request a percentage of reinvestment that they would like to see on an individual basis.

This reinvestment percentage will simply be awarded on a 1 NXT per share basis (the same price the asset costs), so a shareholder that earned 5,000 NXT dividend one week who wanted a 50% reinvestment would recieve 2,500 NXT and 2,500 additional HRLTCGEAR shares. 

So where are the reinvestment shares coming from?
1) If they are bought on the market then all is well and good.
2) If they come from unsold shares then the first quote would suggests you are diluting the dividend.
3) If they are buying new hardware then how are you guaranteeing the price?

I am clearly missing an important detail here.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: sv3n on October 10, 2014, 11:34:51 am
Can we just tie the reinvestment rate directly to the difficulty as that is the only driver for that number?
There's already some built in gain with the multiplier, so then if that isn't sufficient, a portion of the dividend will help cover the difference, otherwise it's paid out in full. Everyone gets the same payout and it would greatly simplify the bookkeeping.
Just a thought
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 10, 2014, 04:02:19 pm
To change your reinvestment ratio please send a AM from your shareholder account to the asset issuer NXT-2PGG-QSCG-YE69-3Y7LG

Reinvested shares are sent out as dividends instead of NXT, but the NXT is used directly to reinvest in additional LTCgear equipment (so it does not dilute each shares value whatsoever).

We have so far ordered 480 MH with LTCgear, the orders are showing up as on-hold despite having been paid for with 50+ confirms already.  I have emailed their support, I hope that they will be processed in time for the payout interval later today.  (they were purchased last night).

I will post a google doc shortly with a cost breakdown.  The additional NXT that has been raised I am going to hold off on exchanging until the NXT prices are pushed up over the weekend by all of the other mining assets, then we can get the most LTCgear shares as possible for our raised funds.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 11, 2014, 05:35:42 am
I tired to send a message and get: "Invalid referenced transaction hash."

any idea what that means?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 11, 2014, 03:49:22 pm
I come up with an idea and i would like you opinion on this pf.

Instead of putting a buy wall to let people exit. Could you buy the reinvesment share portion at the market price? So if the market price is a bit lower than 1 Nxt some Nxt are saved and people that want to exit are happy.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: cobaltskky on October 11, 2014, 04:01:24 pm
To change your reinvestment ratio please send a AM from your shareholder account to the asset issuer NXT-2PGG-QSCG-YE69-3Y7LG

Reinvested shares are sent out as dividends instead of NXT, but the NXT is used directly to reinvest in additional LTCgear equipment (so it does not dilute each shares value whatsoever).

We have so far ordered 480 MH with LTCgear, the orders are showing up as on-hold despite having been paid for with 50+ confirms already.  I have emailed their support, I hope that they will be processed in time for the payout interval later today.  (they were purchased last night).

I will post a google doc shortly with a cost breakdown.  The additional NXT that has been raised I am going to hold off on exchanging until the NXT prices are pushed up over the weekend by all of the other mining assets, then we can get the most LTCgear shares as possible for our raised funds.

I, for one, am reinvesting 100%.  I own a substantial portion of HRNXTPOOL, so it makes sense to me.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: k_day on October 12, 2014, 05:23:04 am
I tired to send a message and get: "Invalid referenced transaction hash."

any idea what that means?

Are you using a password manager like lastpass? sometimes it gets greedy and tries to fill in the referenced transaction hash. If you click "advanced" you can see if this is what is happening, and just delete the hash that was populated there.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 12, 2014, 05:10:07 pm
I tired to send a message and get: "Invalid referenced transaction hash."

any idea what that means?

Are you using a password manager like lastpass? sometimes it gets greedy and tries to fill in the referenced transaction hash. If you click "advanced" you can see if this is what is happening, and just delete the hash that was populated there.

You are correct sir. Thanks very much.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 12, 2014, 05:28:13 pm
Hi all.

Our LTCgear purchases went through the morning of payouts and were not included.  I have been in touch with LTCgear support who advised
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You replied on 10/10/2014 10:35 PM.

Hi,

Orders completed, shares added to account and active. A payment will be rescheduled.

Thank You,
Chris

As soon as that payment is rescheduled, I will be sending out this week's dividends/shares accordingly. I have asked for clarification for when it will be rescheduled to.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Pilot on October 15, 2014, 07:41:35 pm
Hi all.

Our LTCgear purchases went through the morning of payouts and were not included.  I have been in touch with LTCgear support who advised
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You replied on 10/10/2014 10:35 PM.

Hi,

Orders completed, shares added to account and active. A payment will be rescheduled.

Thank You,
Chris

As soon as that payment is rescheduled, I will be sending out this week's dividends/shares accordingly. I have asked for clarification for when it will be rescheduled to.

Any update? When will you be doing the payouts? I think you said weekly. What day?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 16, 2014, 07:31:11 pm
Hi,

Regular payouts will occur on sunday.  I actually just recieved the missing payment* from last week yesterday, so I will be rolling that amount into this week's dividends/share re-investments.


* the missing payment was only for a partial week of LTCgear mining, as the share purchases did not go through until last friday morning.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: lopalcar on October 18, 2014, 03:41:53 pm
Hi,

Regular payouts will occur on sunday.  I actually just recieved the missing payment* from last week yesterday, so I will be rolling that amount into this week's dividends/share re-investments.


* the missing payment was only for a partial week of LTCgear mining, as the share purchases did not go through until last friday morning.

So finally they will pay the full week although you bought at the middle of the week or they pay proportionally to the date you bought? Could you please answer the pm I sent you yesterday or 2 days ago?  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: mnporter2001 on October 18, 2014, 05:17:36 pm
The way i read it is payments to us will be on Sundays the first being this Sunday that will comprise of 1 full week and 2 days from the Friday to Sunday of the previous week.

That being said I'm prob way off the mark I normally am.

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 19, 2014, 04:13:55 am
Mark was spot-on
In order to be able to get the first HRLTCGEAR payments out, I am going to just send them all out as NXT (which means anyone wishing to reinvest this week will have to purchase additional shares)
I'm 95% done a script to automate future distributions (which will automatically send an appropriate number of shares to those wishing to reinvest) but I won't get the script done in time for this week's payouts.

I will be posting the transactions in this thread in a few minutes, then running the HRNXTPOOL payouts.  Starting next week both of these assets will have a dashboard to look at on hashrate.org which will show investor summaries, etc.  I am also toying with the idea of running the HRNXTPOOL dividends daily.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 19, 2014, 04:20:30 am
The first dividend payments work out to about 16.3% ROI.  (ie, a shareholder who owns 20000 shares (worth 20,000 NXT) recieved 3268 NXT.

Amount paid, Account, TX
3632.05854295, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 15191459167307625533
3432.32964639, NXT-HG8Z-PZ5L-KD6T-HJ8FG, 15728680508654817051
3268.88537751, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 2019573966539049118
2941.99683976, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 8790059438882687240
2451.66403313, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 14544314626316820987
2451.66403313, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 7577993763929848125
2108.43106849, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 7669124798128773157
1634.44268876, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 4554848688411993497
1634.44268876, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 14492460350347918736
1634.44268876, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 10414642088752783166
1119.5932418, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 16148708934185692122
867.07184638, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 7747310935386533426
817.22134438, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 12141391603917514723
700.68558067, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 12837857905069276363
653.7770755, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 7394503957536117414
343.23296464, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 18326412058847918573
326.88853775, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 14525570204057173819
326.88853775, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 13151017592530980343
326.88853775, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 13773706364197268746
326.88853775, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 7852336515871203799
316.91843735, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 4341824851089169251
237.97485548, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 5942855310253056661
228.82197643, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 1885456319258288238
217.87121041, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 10543827146601444546
163.44426888, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 3512228601621816045
163.44426888, NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX, 1010495450039444530
163.44426888, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 18316530056493608302
163.44426888, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 3993777270243511246
122.58320166, NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7, 3140837762391966906
88.25990519, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 10012867325722613299
81.72213444, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 2593853232340298284
60.14749095, NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV, 17729269562105976994
51.9752775, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 2714569684130018721
43.47617552, NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB, 10827374567607349376
30.40063401, NXT-SZUB-FHZP-JTFL-7YEET, 1447977635281915003
24.51664033, NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD, 9526673904361277648
24.51664033, NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY, 13687327814455876010
22.88219764, NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF, 3261040322386100970
17.97886958, NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM, 17635341651594773107
16.34442689, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 4635137148246178023
16.34442689, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 10234937188982959244
16.34442689, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 709381787640432288
16.34442689, NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5, 12342302795101387405
13.07554151, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 6642207817160390561
3.75921818, NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL, 3543566749421873591
1.47099842, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 10483495931025696369
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: pf on October 19, 2014, 04:36:33 am
This is, as far as I can tell, the only mining asset currently on the AE with an expected ROI of less than 10 weeks (likely eight).  The issue with the other mining assets is that as that they are continually getting more and more expensive, which makes it harder to acquire additional shares and ever see an ROI.  LTCShares2G paid out only 3%  this week (with a share price of 100 NXT).

I invite all of the shareholders who recieved dividends this week to reinvest - I have recieved several AMs and will have a web portal up by next week's payouts where shareholders can confirm their reinvestment percentage whenever they would like to see it, and starting next week the reinvestment shares will be distributed automatically along with the appropriate dividends.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Wongi on October 19, 2014, 08:49:23 am
(http://i.imgur.com/95B1gPj.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: PureVision on October 19, 2014, 11:34:18 am
Wow, that was a pretty sweet payout I found this morning in my account :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: sv3n on October 19, 2014, 12:24:14 pm
Wow, that was a pretty sweet payout I found this morning in my account :)

+1440!

pf, how much reinvestment are you looking for.  With a return like that on the first one and some built in reinvestment, will we be outpacing ROI if too much is put back in (i.e. what reinvestment percentage (from everybody) do you think would start having diminishing returns)?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cobaltskky on October 19, 2014, 12:38:36 pm
HOLY CRAP!  That's an epic payout.  I reinvested mine. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 19, 2014, 01:35:24 pm
Wow, that was a pretty sweet payout I found this morning in my account :)

+1440!

pf, how much reinvestment are you looking for.  With a return like that on the first one and some built in reinvestment, will we be outpacing ROI if too much is put back in (i.e. what reinvestment percentage (from everybody) do you think would start having diminishing returns)?
because our share price is staying at a fixed 1 NXT, reinvestment shouldn't affect the overall ROI likely at all.  It will just mean more dividends per week for that particular shareholder.
Each share is worth 1/N of the mining profits, so for each additional share that  gets added we add more hashpower.  (Granted we can't add hashpower 1 NXT at a time but as we get bigger and bigger this will have less and less of an impact)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cobaltskky on October 19, 2014, 01:42:02 pm
because our share price is staying at a fixed 1 NXT, reinvestment shouldn't affect the overall ROI likely at all.  It will just mean more dividends per week for that particular shareholder.
Each share is worth 1/N of the mining profits, so for each additional share that  gets added we add more hashpower.  (Granted we can't add hashpower 1 NXT at a time but as we get bigger and bigger this will have less and less of an impact)

Good to know!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 19, 2014, 03:35:34 pm
i bought a few of these, watch... the dividend is gonna go down to 3% and nobody will want to re-buy them after. thats how my luck works
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: mnporter2001 on October 19, 2014, 03:51:08 pm
Thanks pf
I have re-invested what you sent me and then tripled my shares with some NXT I had laying around not earning me anything :)

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: RAlex on October 19, 2014, 05:51:22 pm
Thanks pf
I have re-invested what you sent me and then tripled my shares with some NXT I had laying around not earning me anything :)

Cheers
Mark

Please be very careful with LTCgear. Although I am heavily invested in them, for a very long time no-one can answer simple question "why is it not ponzi?". When payments stop from LTCgear, all mining assets providers will tell you it's not their fault you lost your money. Please invest carefully.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, variable reinvestment
Post by: Cryptographer on October 19, 2014, 08:12:38 pm
This is, as far as I can tell, the only mining asset currently on the AE with an expected ROI of less than 10 weeks (likely eight).  The issue with the other mining assets is that as that they are continually getting more and more expensive, which makes it harder to acquire additional shares and ever see an ROI.  LTCShares2G paid out only 3%  this week (with a share price of 100 NXT).

I invite all of the shareholders who recieved dividends this week to reinvest - I have recieved several AMs and will have a web portal up by next week's payouts where shareholders can confirm their reinvestment percentage whenever they would like to see it, and starting next week the reinvestment shares will be distributed automatically along with the appropriate dividends.

Once again, you are posting incorrect information about LTCshare2G, so I am correcting you, again. Our dividend this week was 3.79 NXT per share, which is 3.79% ROI at 100.  In a few weeks this amount should double. Early investors have already made 43% ROI after 4 weeks.  At 100 NXT/share, investors should make ROI in 13 weeks from today, and the rate of return will accelerate over time. Details Here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_cE_adzc_nrsKvKJjUpDTbrXLx0ZbI511-hBMYHAB4s/edit?usp=sharing)

I don't understand why you continue to single out my asset for negative attention, while on the other hand telling people that SAAS is worth 75 NXT/share.  There are 2.5 times as many SAAS shares (50,000 vs 20,000 for LTC2G) with similar amount of total hashrate.  An equivalent price for LTC2G would be 187.5 NXT per share. I'd appreciate it if you would restrict your comments to your own asset and stop this favoritism.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 19, 2014, 09:32:41 pm
Sorry Cryptographer, I didn't mean to selectively pick on your asset (I just picked yours because yours currently has the highest weekly dividends - but it's also the most expensive).
The same thing can be said for the ROI periods for SAAS, LTCShares2G, HRNXTPOOL and satoshi's various mining ventures - they will all likely have an ROI period considerably longer than HRLTCGEAR.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Cryptographer on October 19, 2014, 10:04:14 pm
Ok
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 19, 2014, 10:06:42 pm
Sorry Cryptographer, I didn't mean to selectively pick on your asset (I just picked yours because yours currently has the highest weekly dividends - but it's also the most expensive).
The same thing can be said for the ROI periods for SAAS, LTCShares2G, HRNXTPOOL and satoshi's various mining ventures - they will all likely have an ROI period considerably longer than HRLTCGEAR.

how long do you think this will be better than ltc2nXt? since i own both your asset and this one. kinda doing a test between them
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Cryptographer on October 19, 2014, 10:07:59 pm
Sorry Cryptographer, I didn't mean to selectively pick on your asset (I just picked yours because yours currently has the highest weekly dividends - but it's also the most expensive).
The same thing can be said for the ROI periods for SAAS, LTCShares2G, HRNXTPOOL and satoshi's various mining ventures - they will all likely have an ROI period considerably longer than HRLTCGEAR.

how long do you think this will be better than ltc2nXt? since i own both your asset and this one. kinda doing a test between them

HRLTCgear will always be better than ltc2nxt - he doesn't take a cut of mining income.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cobaltskky on October 19, 2014, 10:20:42 pm
HRLTCgear will always be better than ltc2nxt - he doesn't take a cut of mining income.

It certainly shows in the dividend. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Cryptographer on October 20, 2014, 01:17:02 am
Sorry Cryptographer, I didn't mean to selectively pick on your asset (I just picked yours because yours currently has the highest weekly dividends - but it's also the most expensive).
The same thing can be said for the ROI periods for SAAS, LTCShares2G, HRNXTPOOL and satoshi's various mining ventures - they will all likely have an ROI period considerably longer than HRLTCGEAR.

Ok thanks for explaining yourself. You're right, LTC2G is the most expensive per share, but has only 20000 shares - fewer than any of the others you mentioned. So actually it is very under-priced compared to similar assets. Currently, LTC2G owns a total of 4.4 GH/s and each share is 0.22 MH/s = 45.5 NXT per 0.1 MH/s. Hashpower will double in the next several weeks. In 2 months, total hashpower will triple to 15 GH/s (0.75 MH/s per share), and at 100 NXT each, that will be 13.3 NXT per 0.1 MH/s - by far the least expensive of any mining asset on the NXT AE, including HRLTCGEAR. Share prices are steadily increasing, instead of remaining fixed at a certain value. We also have the highest estimated APR, and will make 100% ROI in only 12 weeks at 100 NXT/share (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_cE_adzc_nrsKvKJjUpDTbrXLx0ZbI511-hBMYHAB4s/edit?usp=sharing).

Instead of comparing to LTC2G, why don't you compare to your other asset? At current price of 79 NXT/share, this week's HRNXTPOOL dividend - the largest one ever - was 1.44%.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 20, 2014, 02:08:49 am
HRLTCGEAR allows people to choose their own reinvestment rate, up to 100%.  This will let users who choose to do so grow their own investment at a rate that will far exceed any of the other mining assets.
I am just finishing up the web interface to let people see their current reinvestment percentages (changing it will still require an AM to me however) so they can see ahead of each payout what particular reinvestment percentage they are going to see.
They can even choose 100% reinvestment for a few weeks in a row, then switch to 0% reinvestment if they need some NXT for whatever reasons, then they can switch back to 100% the following week. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Pilot on October 20, 2014, 04:28:15 am
Great payout! I doubled my investment.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 20, 2014, 04:59:17 pm
Hi all,

I can also arrange for btc purchases of these shares (to keep sell pressure down on exchanges).

I am willing to arrange for btc purchases at 5 percent off from the bter daily average. For well known community members I will send first as long as they post in this thread first, all others will require us to either use some form of eschrow or the buyer will have to send first.

Please post in this thread if interested in this.  Please note that it will still only pay out in NXT each week, but gives an interesting opportunity for people holding btc.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 21, 2014, 09:45:13 pm
We just purchased an additional 960 MH worth of LTCgear equipment, and I will still be placing another order still today.
I suspect we will see dividends of approximately 15-16% again this week (LTC difficulty hasn't gone up too much and LTC price is about the same)
OH
and I will have the web portal working tonight so people can see their own personal reinvestment percentages, and I have all the bugs worked out of the new python dividend-distribution/reinvestment script. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cobaltskky on October 21, 2014, 10:14:51 pm
We just purchased an additional 960 MH worth of LTCgear equipment, and I will still be placing another order still today.
I suspect we will see dividends of approximately 15-16% again this week (LTC difficulty hasn't gone up too much and LTC price is about the same)
OH
and I will have the web portal working tonight so people can see their own personal reinvestment percentages, and I have all the bugs worked out of the new python dividend-distribution/reinvestment script. :)

COOL!  We need some good news to offset the FunBut fiasco.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Dxl on October 22, 2014, 12:46:59 am
I believe pf. :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 04:02:43 pm
when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 04:28:44 pm
when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 04:34:09 pm
when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.

i'd much rater increase holdings, also, the dividend payout?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: whatnxt on October 24, 2014, 04:34:23 pm
when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.

I prefer allocating the 35% to the current share, not issuing new shares. Issuing more shares would eventually require the issue of  a new asset to account for the new shares required
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 04:37:45 pm
when will the dividend be paid out?

EDIT: also, after multiplication, will holders be given more shares? if not, then how do you plan to combat ltc2nxt?
Multiplication will just make each share 35% more profitable (or help counter the growing LTC difficulty)
If people would prefer I could multiple each shareholder's holdings by 35%, but either way works out to the same increase in dividends.

I prefer allocating the 35% to the current share, not issuing new shares. Issuing more shares would eventually require the issue of  a new asset to account for the new shares required

if you get 35% more shares you sill get the 35% more dividend PLUS if you ever need to divest you can sell the shares. i'd rather switch over to ltc2nxt before the multiplication if it were the other way.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 04:42:34 pm
HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 05:02:25 pm
HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)

the holdings thing is huge, since if we dont get any additional assets there will be no real increase. if everyone knows that they will get a straight 35% increase in the asset AND dividends it will encourage many more people to participate. I will not continue to hold this asset if it goes the other way however sicne it would be far more profitable for me to buy ltc2nxt.

lets use real numbers as an example. say there is asset A and B. both assets pay identical percentage dividends, (lets say 10% every time for the sake of discussion) but asset A multiplies shares and asset B just makes the shares give more dividends. we also assume that both assets have a fixed price of 1 nxt. (hrltcgear being 1 and ltc2nxt being 25 in real life, but this is irrelevant.)

Now lets invest 10,000 nxt into both a week before multiplication.
10,000 Asset A=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week
10,000 Asset B=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week

the multiplication happens and now you have
13,500 Asset A= Worth 13,500 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt
10,000 Asset B= Worth 10,000 nxt with 13.5% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt a week.

So why would anyone want asset B when A is available?

in this scenario, i would sell all my asset B and buy all i could of A, get the multiplication, and then move all of the 13,500 nxt back to asset B and take advantage of the new 13.5% dividend without ever having to hold the asset when the multiplication happened. and on top of that i would have 13500 nxt to invest instead of 10,000
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Pilot on October 24, 2014, 05:05:03 pm
HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)

the holdings thing is huge, since if we dont get any additional assets there will be no real increase. if everyone knows that they will get a straight 35% increase in the asset AND dividends it will encourage many more people to participate. I will not continue to hold this asset if it goes the other way however sicne it would be far more profitable for me to buy ltc2nxt.

lets use real numbers as an example. say there is asset A and B. both assets pay identical percentage dividends, (lets say 10% every time for the sake of discussion) but asset A multiplies shares and asset B just makes the shares give more dividends. we also assume that both assets have a fixed price of 1 nxt. (hrltcgear being 1 and ltc2nxt being 25 in real life, but this is irrelevant.)

Now lets invest 10,000 nxt into both a week before multiplication.
10,000 Asset A=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week
10,000 Asset B=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week

the multiplication happens and now you have
13,500 Asset A= Worth 13,500 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt
10,000 Asset B= Worth 10,000 nxt with 13.5% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt a week.

So why would anyone want asset B when A is available?

Isn't the math the same. If you took the 350 extra payout and bought 350 more assets?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 05:09:59 pm
HRLTCGEAR issued 100,000,000 shares in order to ensure that we won't ever have to issue another asset, so the 35% multiplication will be no big deal to just send out as additional shares.
I agree with cexy, in that it will be nice for the investors to see the increase in their holdings (and either way will result in the same amount of dividends).

Still just waiting for LTCGEAR's payout to come through (usually they take 3-6 hours to pay everyone out)

the holdings thing is huge, since if we dont get any additional assets there will be no real increase. if everyone knows that they will get a straight 35% increase in the asset AND dividends it will encourage many more people to participate. I will not continue to hold this asset if it goes the other way however sicne it would be far more profitable for me to buy ltc2nxt.

lets use real numbers as an example. say there is asset A and B. both assets pay identical percentage dividends, (lets say 10% every time for the sake of discussion) but asset A multiplies shares and asset B just makes the shares give more dividends. we also assume that both assets have a fixed price of 1 nxt. (hrltcgear being 1 and ltc2nxt being 25 in real life, but this is irrelevant.)

Now lets invest 10,000 nxt into both a week before multiplication.
10,000 Asset A=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week
10,000 Asset B=worth 10,000 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1000 nxt a week

the multiplication happens and now you have
13,500 Asset A= Worth 13,500 nxt with 10% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt
10,000 Asset B= Worth 10,000 nxt with 13.5% weekly dividends so 1350 nxt a week.

So why would anyone want asset B when A is available?

Isn't the math the same. If you took the 350 extra payout and bought 350 more assets?

no because i would have at the end 13,500 assets with a 13.5% dividend without ever even having to hold when the multiplication happened, see the edit where i went a little further
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 05:12:43 pm
cexy, either way would work out to the exact same profitability for investors.

Each share sold is 1/N of the dividends. (with N being the number of shares held by accounts other than the asset issuer).  Assuming multiplication week the dividends go up 35%.

If the dividends go up 35% without increasing N, that effectively makes each share 35% more profitable.
If N is increased 35%, each shareholder will still recieve the same amount of total dividend (just a lower dividend per share - but they will each have 35% additional shares).
I will likely do the additional share distribution because it should keep the share continuing to perform around the 15% weekly ROI.  I agree with cexy's assessment that it will be nice for the people who bought say, 10,000 assets to physically be able to see 13500 assets instead.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 05:19:57 pm
cexy, either way would work out to the exact same profitability for investors.

Each share sold is 1/N of the dividends. (with N being the number of shares held by accounts other than the asset issuer).  Assuming multiplication week the dividends go up 35%.

If the dividends go up 35% without increasing N, that effectively makes each share 35% more profitable.
If N is increased 35%, each shareholder will still recieve the same amount of total dividend (just a lower dividend per share - but they will each have 35% additional shares).
I will likely do the additional share distribution because it should keep the share continuing to perform around the 15% weekly ROI.  I agree with cexy's assessment that it will be nice for the people who bought say, 10,000 assets to physically be able to see 13500 assets instead.

i am definitely not arguing that the shares would become less profitable, but is what i said incorrect? couldnt someone exploit it with what i said before?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: whatnxt on October 24, 2014, 05:30:51 pm
Let me get this straight

You get 35% more shares and do not expect a price correction so that your holding is 35% more valuable.
Or
You get 35% more hashing power per share but do not expect a price correction and so you holdings are undervalued.

The assumption is that there will be no price correction. As far as I can tell from other mining assets that assumption is wrong. It is only the speed of the correction that I would take issue with, however, if your intention is to hold then the correction will be made and your holdings will increase in value.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 05:40:42 pm
but there is an upper limit of 1 nxt per asset, so there wont be a price correction, so if it doesn't multiply people who buy in after are getting more bang for their buck.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: whatnxt on October 24, 2014, 06:25:18 pm
but there is an upper limit of 1 nxt per asset, so there wont be a price correction, so if it doesn't multiply people who buy in after are getting more bang for their buck.

You are assuming that the difficulty has not changed by the time the 35% comes along. If it has then you may just be correcting the price to 1 NXT.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 06:35:14 pm
but there is an upper limit of 1 nxt per asset, so there wont be a price correction, so if it doesn't multiply people who buy in after are getting more bang for their buck.
The intended purpose of the multiplication is to mitigate difficulty increases.  (IE, if you buy X amount of LTCgear shares every 45 days they are increased by 35% to mitigate against difficulty increases)
Honestly I am a bit surprised that Chris multiples every LTCgear account by 1.35 at difficulty increase (and not just people who have been holding onto the shares for the 45 days)
I will have to see how much the difficulty increases by the time the multiplication occurs.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 10:14:18 pm
Hi guys,

I have terrible news.  I have decided to go to mexico with all of your NXT. Bon Voyage!








































jk.
This week's dividend will be just shy of 14% return.  My apologies for the lower percent (but some of the recent share sales were not converted to LTCgear shares in time for this week's payouts which in turn brought down profitability a bit.  I expect next week, and future weeks, this will be less and less of an issue as we get more and more hashrate.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: Pilot on October 24, 2014, 10:15:41 pm
6-7 weeks break even is awesome. I'm gonna just have to buy some LTCGear shares myself. I assume it pays out LTC?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 10:18:09 pm
Please note that in my rush to send out the dividends I forgot to do the manual reinvestments (four people sent me AM's requesting reinvestments) -  sorry,  if those people can please just buy additional shares with their dividend this week I will reimburse them the 2 NXT they will lose in TXN fees if they are terribly inconvenienced by it.

Also, there were quite a bit people who bought shares just today (which is what also brought the dividend %-age down.  In the future I will be using a block from early in the day thursday to distribute the dividends, to prevent people from getting dividends by buying in at the last minute (after the cut-off has happened with LTCgear).  If we hadn't had this happen this week, and if I'd been smart enough to get another LTCgear order in on time, we would have been likely closer to 18%.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, first dividend 16% ROI
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 10:20:43 pm
Amount paid, Account, TX
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2742.02980922, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 9854569971219810344
2591.21816972, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 6598461059208390112
2467.8268283, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 3881559041996314164
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1562.95699126, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 13761362557238913467
1424.89579036, NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM, 9912202178499469642
1371.01490461, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 13409220604437513419
1371.01490461, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 18443292736153150094
1329.74735598, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 8605980297746582771
939.14520966, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 5708725307227623896
767.76834658, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 2052400050013821689
686.74136572, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 9188899671033000711
685.50745231, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 85963497898258217
679.06368225, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 3234809437534516348
644.37700517, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 12426755151801093689
611.74685044, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 11241774064999357271
548.40596184, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 15261949689472144574
500.42044018, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 12546876995141387127
425.01462043, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 874743623748445296
411.30447138, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 10557901629995662520
411.30447138, NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX, 7739791663224030145
411.30447138, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 11725385196592662079
411.30447138, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 8141668674160970511
409.93345648, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 12093645720477452726
353.17343943, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 13339464944954653343
342.75372615, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 2815895221781461371
274.20298092, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 15566056563600836283
274.20298092, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 11851374127950656436
274.20298092, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 9893755789482677671
182.75628678, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 11719555217463724587
157.66671403, NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25, 17363106727004610230
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129.56090849, NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB, 16388314756059247133
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88.84176582, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 7132862474139111678
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75.40581975, NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX, 12060572800726158094
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 10:33:56 pm
Sounds good. Just please post after the cutoff so that no mistakes are made. And i guess your asset will be invulnerable  to the method I posted in the other thread!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: cobaltskky on October 24, 2014, 10:57:42 pm
HOLY FUCK CHRISTMAS CAME EARLY
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: pf on October 24, 2014, 11:16:18 pm
BTW, it looks like our 11% affiliate discounts may have finally converted to shares! (it builds up in an account and then occasionally LTCgear converts it to shares! But they have just been credited to the account).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: cexylikepie on October 24, 2014, 11:41:09 pm
I'm really considering reinvesting but i dont know if that will be a good idea. right now i am just really really hoping that you distribute more shares when the multiplication happens.

I wonder if it will be safe to re-invest profits
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: Pilot on October 25, 2014, 03:45:29 am
Nice surprise. I thought payouts would be sunday?

I manually reinvested. No worry about the 2NXT. I can deal with the $.05 "loss". ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: cexylikepie on October 25, 2014, 04:00:58 am
what does LTCgear do with the doge it mines? can we get that too?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: AizenSou on October 25, 2014, 10:31:46 am
BTW, it looks like our 11% affiliate discounts may have finally converted to shares! (it builds up in an account and then occasionally LTCgear converts it to shares! But they have just been credited to the account).

Hi pf,

Thanks for your honest offer. At least NXT investors could see what price do they really pay at ltcgear.
Btw, as far as I know, using your own referrals link to order shares for yourself is not allowed, considered as cheating a system. It could be resulted in locking the account by Chris (Beekeeper).
I would be more careful with my account if I handle such massive shares like you. You could check more about this if you join #ltcgear channel @ webchat.freenode.net.

Regards,

Aizen
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: pf on October 26, 2014, 06:44:05 pm
BTW, it looks like our 11% affiliate discounts may have finally converted to shares! (it builds up in an account and then occasionally LTCgear converts it to shares! But they have just been credited to the account).

Hi pf,

Thanks for your honest offer. At least NXT investors could see what price do they really pay at ltcgear.
Btw, as far as I know, using your own referrals link to order shares for yourself is not allowed, considered as cheating a system. It could be resulted in locking the account by Chris (Beekeeper).
I would be more careful with my account if I handle such massive shares like you. You could check more about this if you join #ltcgear channel @ webchat.freenode.net.

Regards,

Aizen
Hi Aizen,
It sounds like you've done the math and realized the same thing we've been saying - HRLTCGEAR is the mining asset with the lowest overhead on the NXT AE.  Coupled with the ability to easily reinvest 100% of your earnings at a fixed 1 NXT price, we think we're the most flexible mining option currently on the AE.

Also in regards to using your own affiliate link - I have emailed Chris directly and he has been willing to credit my own orders to my own affiliate link, so I'm 99% sure that he doesn't have a problem with users doing this.  I can dig up my old email with him confirming this, but he has definitely credited my order to my own affiliate account without any issue.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: pf on October 27, 2014, 11:48:54 pm
By the way, when the multiplication happens I will be increasing each shareholder's holdings by 15%.  IE, if you have 10,000 shares when multiplication happens you will be transferred an additional 1500 HRLTCGEAR shares.

The 35% multiplication will boost the average profitability of each share by approximately 20%
The multiplication is scheduled for November 5th - this is the fairest way to both increase user's holdings as well as help maintain good weekly return percentages.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - 1 NXT/share, 30% return in two weeks
Post by: pf on October 27, 2014, 11:51:02 pm
By the way, I will be announcing the cutoff to qualify for the 15% bonus shares (likely around november 2nd or 3rd) - I will announce the exact time in the next day or so, then when that time rolls around the particular block number that will be used to calculate the 15% shares to distribute.
(this will prevent last minute investors from buying into the asset too late for us to take advantage of the multiplication).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 28, 2014, 09:34:52 pm
Added an additional 800 MH today.
We should be adding another close to a GH in the next day or so as well.
At the rate things are going, we will very quickly be the largest mining asset.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: cexylikepie on October 29, 2014, 01:14:58 am
make sure to cut it off this week for dividends so we don't get diluted! :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: ifeng on October 29, 2014, 02:18:16 am
 :D
This week how much dividends, look forward to
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 03:49:28 am
hi animalroam! you're a life saver.

We are officially the largest mining asset on the AE in terms of hashpower!!!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 05:55:45 am
Thanks to our recent 350k NXT investor, we are now nearly 10% larger than LTCSHARES2G.
:)

I will be posting a screenshot of our LTCgears account showing just shy of 6 GH in just a few minutes, once my last 0.96 GH of orders goes through
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: blackyblack1 on October 31, 2014, 06:07:41 am
Thanks to our recent 350k NXT investor, we are now nearly 10% larger than LTCSHARES2G.
:)

I will be posting a screenshot of our LTCgears account showing just shy of 6 GH in just a few minutes, once my last 0.96 GH of orders goes through
Wow you are huge. Let's have a race now - who will be bigger when the last ltcshares2g sold.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 31, 2014, 06:10:36 am
Hi pf, I'm wondering why not 10% or so of HRLTCGEAR sold are not in HRNXTPOOL account?
http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=10703088528621834251&switch=3&p=1
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 06:21:38 am
Hey Seb!
I've been super busy finding and buying an additional 2+ GH of LTCgears tonight - I will manually send over the HRNXTPOOL's shares probably early tomorrow morning.
I originally had put up 200,000 shares for sale and when they sold transferred over the HRNXTPOOL shares. I will make sure to send over the 10% shares to it (and post how many shares that is) prior to dividends time this week.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 31, 2014, 06:31:01 am
Ok, It is a substantial amount now!  :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 06:33:58 am
You're telling me, man! haha! I wasn't expecting this asset to get bigger than HRNXTPOOL so quickly.
We're at 5.97 GH right now, and I should have another 160 MH added hopefully prior to LTCGear payouts tomorrow.
:)
Just listing another 2 million on the AE, the last 2 million are nearly sold.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Dxl on October 31, 2014, 12:23:23 pm
Great!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: cexylikepie on October 31, 2014, 01:00:36 pm
When will you be doing the snapshot so the shares don't get diluted again?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Cryptographer on October 31, 2014, 04:58:52 pm
If you've sold 1.75 million shares, that's about 105 BTC, which should have bought you at least 6.7 GH/s of qASICs... Why do you only have 6 GH/s?

Also, at the rate you are selling shares, and then selling NXT for BTC on BTER to buy more qASIC shares, you are creating huge sell pressure on NXT and driving prices down... Don't you think maybe you should slow things down a bit?

I'm just asking because I bought a few shares.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: cobaltskky on October 31, 2014, 05:05:11 pm
You're telling me, man! haha! I wasn't expecting this asset to get bigger than HRNXTPOOL so quickly.
We're at 5.97 GH right now, and I should have another 160 MH added hopefully prior to LTCGear payouts tomorrow.
:)
Just listing another 2 million on the AE, the last 2 million are nearly sold.

WINNING
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 05:06:05 pm
If you've sold 1.75 million shares, that's about 105 BTC, which should have bought you at least 6.7 GH/s of qASICs... Why do you only have 6 GH/s?

Also, at the rate you are selling shares, and then selling NXT for BTC on BTER to buy more qASIC shares, you are creating huge sell pressure on NXT and driving prices down... Don't you think maybe you should slow things down a bit?

I'm just asking because I bought a few shares.
whale had mistakingly overbought 150k shares, which the asset issuer repurchased back from him on the AE.  He can vouch for this, that is what the inflated volume is from.
And I've offered to take straight BTC for shares, but there were no takers.
There are currently 1,663,140 shares sold, which has brought in about ~93 btc.  I don't know why you're using a fixed price of 0.00006, most the shares have been selling for 0.000057x.

We should also be getting an additional few hundred MH from our affiliate code once this week's payouts go through.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Cryptographer on October 31, 2014, 05:13:49 pm
If you've sold 1.75 million shares, that's about 105 BTC, which should have bought you at least 6.7 GH/s of qASICs... Why do you only have 6 GH/s?

Also, at the rate you are selling shares, and then selling NXT for BTC on BTER to buy more qASIC shares, you are creating huge sell pressure on NXT and driving prices down... Don't you think maybe you should slow things down a bit?

I'm just asking because I bought a few shares.
whale had mistakingly overbought 150k shares, which the asset issuer repurchased back from him on the AE.  He can vouch for this, that is what the inflated volume is from.
And I've offered to take straight BTC for shares, but there were no takers.
There are currently 1,663,140 shares sold, which has brought in about ~93 btc.  I don't know why you're using a fixed price of 0.00006, most the shares have been selling for 0.000057x.

We should also be getting an additional few hundred MH from our affiliate code once this week's payouts go through.

Ah ok cool, still creating a lot of sell pressure though. I remember seeing some posts from people looking to buy 500k - 1 million NXT at a time, have you tried contacting them?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 05:26:58 pm
If you've sold 1.75 million shares, that's about 105 BTC, which should have bought you at least 6.7 GH/s of qASICs... Why do you only have 6 GH/s?

Also, at the rate you are selling shares, and then selling NXT for BTC on BTER to buy more qASIC shares, you are creating huge sell pressure on NXT and driving prices down... Don't you think maybe you should slow things down a bit?

I'm just asking because I bought a few shares.
whale had mistakingly overbought 150k shares, which the asset issuer repurchased back from him on the AE.  He can vouch for this, that is what the inflated volume is from.
And I've offered to take straight BTC for shares, but there were no takers.
There are currently 1,663,140 shares sold, which has brought in about ~93 btc.  I don't know why you're using a fixed price of 0.00006, most the shares have been selling for 0.000057x.

We should also be getting an additional few hundred MH from our affiliate code once this week's payouts go through.

Ah ok cool, still creating a lot of sell pressure though. I remember seeing some posts from people looking to buy 500k - 1 million NXT at a time, have you tried contacting them?
Yep
I also reached out to some of the whales that I know.
TwinnerD was offering a rate that was below what I could get for the coins on BTER (I don't much get the point of doing transactions off exchanges if you will make literally less BTC than you would selling them on exchanges).
I've debating spreading the sell volume across Poloniex, just deposits over there sometimes jam up for hours.
Hopefully all the mining assets buy pressure today helps push the price back up a bit. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Cryptographer on October 31, 2014, 05:39:46 pm
If you've sold 1.75 million shares, that's about 105 BTC, which should have bought you at least 6.7 GH/s of qASICs... Why do you only have 6 GH/s?

Also, at the rate you are selling shares, and then selling NXT for BTC on BTER to buy more qASIC shares, you are creating huge sell pressure on NXT and driving prices down... Don't you think maybe you should slow things down a bit?

I'm just asking because I bought a few shares.
whale had mistakingly overbought 150k shares, which the asset issuer repurchased back from him on the AE.  He can vouch for this, that is what the inflated volume is from.
And I've offered to take straight BTC for shares, but there were no takers.
There are currently 1,663,140 shares sold, which has brought in about ~93 btc.  I don't know why you're using a fixed price of 0.00006, most the shares have been selling for 0.000057x.

We should also be getting an additional few hundred MH from our affiliate code once this week's payouts go through.

Ah ok cool, still creating a lot of sell pressure though. I remember seeing some posts from people looking to buy 500k - 1 million NXT at a time, have you tried contacting them?
Yep
I also reached out to some of the whales that I know.
TwinnerD was offering a rate that was below what I could get for the coins on BTER (I don't much get the point of doing transactions off exchanges if you will make literally less BTC than you would selling them on exchanges).
I've debating spreading the sell volume across Poloniex, just deposits over there sometimes jam up for hours.
Hopefully all the mining assets buy pressure today helps push the price back up a bit. :)

--I'll need to buy 100-200k NXT per week for dividend payments too
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: lopalcar on October 31, 2014, 06:06:29 pm
@pf, I sent you a messague to your nxt account and in the forum regarding a possible long term issue at least for future investors if nxt price grows but you didn't answered me, I suppose you are bussy and maybe didn't see the message.
If you mantain the fixed price of 1nxt per share, the early investors, will buy for example 30k shares for 600$, but if nxt price go up, maybe could cost 3000$ to get 30k shares... and if the payment is based in number of shares, the first buyer which bought at low fiat price, will have much more shares... So once the price of nxt goes up, this asset wouldn't make sense for new investors, right?
Am I confusing something?

Will you adjust the price if nxt value grows a considerable amount?

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 31, 2014, 06:09:04 pm
@pf, I sent you a messague to your nxt account and in the forum regarding a possible long term issue at least for future investors if nxt price grows but you didn't answered me, I suppose you are bussy and maybe didn't see the message.
If you mantain the fixed price of 1nxt per share, the early investors, will buy for example 30k shares for 600$, but if nxt price go up, maybe could cost 3000$ to get 30k shares... and if the payment is based in number of shares, the first buyer which bought at low fiat price, will have much more shares... So once the price of nxt goes up, this asset wouldn't make sense for new investors, right?
Am I confusing something?

Will you adjust the price if nxt value grows a considerable amount?

+1, I have the same interogation myself.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: th4o on October 31, 2014, 06:51:32 pm
Thanks to our recent 350k NXT investor, we are now nearly 10% larger than LTCSHARES2G.
:)

I will be posting a screenshot of our LTCgears account showing just shy of 6 GH in just a few minutes, once my last 0.96 GH of orders goes through

Great! Did you do the snapshot on Thursday for not diluting the dividends?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on October 31, 2014, 07:05:14 pm
Thanks to our recent 350k NXT investor, we are now nearly 10% larger than LTCSHARES2G.
:)

I will be posting a screenshot of our LTCgears account showing just shy of 6 GH in just a few minutes, once my last 0.96 GH of orders goes through

Great! Did you do the snapshot on Thursday for not diluting the dividends?
There have been minimal shares sold since last night so this issue won't really affect things.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: xibeijan on October 31, 2014, 10:02:53 pm
Can you explain what this bit means?

Quote
Due to LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days, there will be no automatic reinvestment back into additional hashrate.  Shareholders can, however, request a percentage of reinvestment that they would like to see on an individual basis.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: xibeijan on October 31, 2014, 10:16:42 pm
What day of week do you distribute dividends?  It would be nice to see an asset paying dividends on wed or thurs.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: whatnxt on October 31, 2014, 10:28:55 pm
Can you explain what this bit means?

Quote
Due to LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days, there will be no automatic reinvestment back into additional hashrate.  Shareholders can, however, request a percentage of reinvestment that they would like to see on an individual basis.

It means that LTCGear have a reinvestment plan built into there product.
LTCgear provide and run the hashing power we purchase.
LTCgear increase the purchased hashing power by a factor of 1.35 times every 45 days.

Since there is already a reinvestment plan run by LTCgear, there is no need to have a reinvestment plan for the asset.

If you want to reinvest then you can do so automatically by sending pf a message with your account details and the percentage to reinvest every week. You will then get new assets and a dividend sent to your account.

This is all well and good, but as far as I can tell there is no guarantee that the increase in hashing power will repeat or that it will be by a factor of 1.35. Can anybody point me towards something that says different?

IMO, the more G Hash LTCgear sell the harder it must be for them to provide the increase. I expect some physical limitation will be met at some point and the factor will start to decrease. When that happens is anyone's guess but there will be a lot of disappointed people when it does. Just be prepared to change strategy when/if it does.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: xibeijan on October 31, 2014, 10:34:19 pm
Can you explain what this bit means?

Quote
Due to LTCGear having a multiplication interval of 1.35x every 45 days, there will be no automatic reinvestment back into additional hashrate.  Shareholders can, however, request a percentage of reinvestment that they would like to see on an individual basis.

It means that LTCGear have a reinvestment plan built into there product.
LTCgear provide and run the hashing power we purchase.
LTCgear increase the purchased hashing power by a factor of 1.35 times every 45 days.

Since there is already a reinvestment plan run by LTCgear, there is no need to have a reinvestment plan for the asset.

If you want to reinvest then you can do so automatically by sending pf a message with your account details and the percentage to reinvest every week. You will then get new assets and a dividend sent to your account.

This is all well and good, but as far as I can tell there is no guarantee that the increase in hashing power will repeat or that it will be by a factor of 1.35. Can anybody point me towards something that says different?

IMO, the more G Hash LTCgear sell the harder it must be for them to provide the increase. I expect some physical limitation will be met at some point and the factor will start to decrease. When that happens is anyone's guess but there will be a lot of disappointed people when it does. Just be prepared to change strategy when/if it does.

thanks.

+1 for wednesday dividend?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: jl777 on October 31, 2014, 10:44:17 pm
@pf, I sent you a messague to your nxt account and in the forum regarding a possible long term issue at least for future investors if nxt price grows but you didn't answered me, I suppose you are bussy and maybe didn't see the message.
If you mantain the fixed price of 1nxt per share, the early investors, will buy for example 30k shares for 600$, but if nxt price go up, maybe could cost 3000$ to get 30k shares... and if the payment is based in number of shares, the first buyer which bought at low fiat price, will have much more shares... So once the price of nxt goes up, this asset wouldn't make sense for new investors, right?
Am I confusing something?

Will you adjust the price if nxt value grows a considerable amount?
Thus a built in incentive to purchase early. Now even if NXT doubles in price, the ROI at current rates is still quite good and the price is always going up and down, so some sort of dollar cost averaging would spread out this risk.

I have come up with some more ideas on how to make this asset even more attractive, not sure if pf has solved the issues yet, but if he does then it will be quite fantastic.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: cexylikepie on November 01, 2014, 12:37:25 am
12.6% dividend? lower than i expected it to be...

still nice though
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 12:41:10 am
Hi all,


Amount paid, Account, TX
44205.53444807, NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2, 9814827292260139270
16067.19615355, NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57, 1225007128237241621
15913.99240131, NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN, 7612906991118626894
14524.67560437, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 12843835173386014534
13615.30461001, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 10473368552997987532
12630.15269945, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 4979966053887641645
7578.09161967, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 4102915639192488978
7325.48856568, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 8504674980516208941
6315.07634972, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 2916966975741379427
6268.47108626, NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ, 11557457742903717907
4546.8549718, NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL, 18068411303661833982
4294.25191781, NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86, 9034847026627782760
3789.04580983, NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN, 11850449225831616690
3662.74428284, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 4639490130971386239
3612.09737052, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 9991387386670488482
3437.92756479, NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM, 8289256766564377711
3391.1959998, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 4667143801826679212
3157.53817486, NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F, 10404166265333607811
2715.48283038, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 13953692358828225584
2526.03053989, NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5, 9338152686942444363
2526.03053989, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 1845054173817845973
2526.03053989, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 3160053633951991536
2526.03053989, NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW, 740582148469292224
2526.03053989, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 11411832235174785345
2273.4274859, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 2370902594595087649
2146.74705433, NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE, 8576626179269117106
1894.64920644, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 13344810326761620907
1514.35530866, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 4426260228667445201
1267.05691881, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 9174041996562532390
1263.01526994, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 2739414437113065895
1263.01526994, NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93, 8460498484162517054
1107.9169948, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 4129053989588687950
1035.67252135, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 6693040997382971019
905.58194855, NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS, 4559366955224409990
884.11068896, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 1793840756108742427
833.59007816, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 10005675901731333221
711.96170767, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 18036946158199937100
707.28855117, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 1382154425694132131
688.46962365, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 12318913155727116390
645.27450141, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 6751846563714185178
631.50763497, NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT, 4527746068765039158
631.50763497, NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG, 4685478022819446046
624.56105099, NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB, 6855872654793102187
545.62259662, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 5641839134074753655
505.20610798, NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX, 1983336032723984385
505.20610798, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 13650018016077262055
486.26087893, NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8, 18030092118099264919
461.00057353, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 5186577345893202791
396.83939782, NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T, 13918359703069475864
378.90458098, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 11031223721372771076
378.90458098, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 5197813028381793629
337.22507708, NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25, 1720233402992755137
315.75381749, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 17980964712184347866
315.75381749, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 654457627340231348
315.75381749, NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K, 5306134544617831391
274.95842427, NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV, 11436342133833764185
252.60305399, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 2488702936601852082
252.60305399, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 7065441071266013251
189.45229049, NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS, 4095155788577481520
176.82213779, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 15023233572542691227
168.35993548, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 18131024059145746006
163.18157288, NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2, 12879748627097932794
158.25581332, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 7051300995935233241
143.98374077, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 17737266416383208655
138.93167969, NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT, 6717979400282473654
127.94344685, NXT-PFBN-NBW2-E3B7-G3MHM, 9065132202719254965
126.30152699, NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW, 13180151877312649972
126.30152699, NXT-TU23-XMYB-722V-5LWVC, 11302878852925049395
126.30152699, NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22, 8437166052197212388
126.30152699, NXT-8FG7-5GYY-WN87-FMQFQ, 2730141155804967220
117.83932469, NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD, 10948958883521637507
94.72614525, NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7, 965096351573082854
90.93709944, NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84, 9570799330721298205
86.76914905, NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT, 17910053393442890167
84.87462614, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 13543446382974493784
84.62202309, NXT-EUH2-Y9LT-J54V-EPB56, 2218949793314711627
77.04393147, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 5782401007175765357
69.46583985, NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX, 4947315000068160374
58.09870242, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 16906945787835083238
45.21594666, NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS, 8872094098413031774
41.67950391, NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778, 935656310457686207
37.8904581, NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM, 7464053512066289941
37.8904581, NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73, 3397567193597933561
34.10141229, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 4950534394752839282
25.2603054, NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF, 844580246438101910
22.86057639, NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF, 15643999528248690421
21.85016417, NXT-B7ZF-X7GW-AUWE-863Z9, 4569172435090132771
19.07153058, NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM, 12071244239137268262
18.94522905, NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD, 9597811256115853393
18.94522905, NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY, 11133607738436553521
12.6301527, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 4233460485470207447
12.6301527, NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5, 5166276741761131601
7.57809162, NXT-S75C-K4F3-8QDM-9T6V8, 7586804055879560394
4.6731565, NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL, 10854273150188153793
2.52603054, NXT-2EED-8L9A-89U7-9NNJ7, 6058811730488057133
1.26301527, NXT-MAX4-6ZDE-3QVX-CDMY9, 6288100645161831374
1.26301527, NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS, 8735830766236103802
0.37890458, NXT-J9V5-D2TQ-XTRW-F6VT2, 12253862572043659424
0.12630153, NXT-2XLN-29YB-7SLH-49TTY, 15290404424946539947
0.12630153, NXT-63UG-63M4-RKTE-B3PX9, 12463627705352244308
------------All transactions processed------------


Dividend this week was 12.6%.  The reason that this week was lower is largely my own fault.  We had about 5 btc left over that had not been invested into LTCgear shares in time (I was up until 0200 last night negotiating pack purchases on IRC with #LTCGEAR channel operators and was only able to secure an additional 13 packs last night).
We also had an additional 80,000 NXT come in at the last minute, which I didn't realize until I had sent out the dividends.  Future weeks will have dividends calculated using 12:00:00 UTC on the prior thursday as the cut off for dividends.
I also commit to having the auto re-investment working for next week, as well as the web portal on Hashrate.org - I didn't want to delay anyone's dividends at all again this week.  This will likely mean that I may send out a few test dividends of 1000 NXT to test the automated process throughout the next 24-48 hours (I will cover the cost of the testing out of pocket).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: Dxl on November 01, 2014, 12:44:04 am
Great!We believe you.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: cexylikepie on November 01, 2014, 12:45:07 am
Hi all,


Amount paid, Account, TX
44205.53444807, NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2, 9814827292260139270
16067.19615355, NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57, 1225007128237241621
15913.99240131, NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN, 7612906991118626894
14524.67560437, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 12843835173386014534
13615.30461001, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 10473368552997987532
12630.15269945, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 4979966053887641645
7578.09161967, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 4102915639192488978
7325.48856568, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 8504674980516208941
6315.07634972, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 2916966975741379427
6268.47108626, NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ, 11557457742903717907
4546.8549718, NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL, 18068411303661833982
4294.25191781, NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86, 9034847026627782760
3789.04580983, NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN, 11850449225831616690
3662.74428284, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 4639490130971386239
3612.09737052, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 9991387386670488482
3437.92756479, NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM, 8289256766564377711
3391.1959998, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 4667143801826679212
3157.53817486, NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F, 10404166265333607811
2715.48283038, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 13953692358828225584
2526.03053989, NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5, 9338152686942444363
2526.03053989, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 1845054173817845973
2526.03053989, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 3160053633951991536
2526.03053989, NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW, 740582148469292224
2526.03053989, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 11411832235174785345
2273.4274859, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 2370902594595087649
2146.74705433, NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE, 8576626179269117106
1894.64920644, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 13344810326761620907
1514.35530866, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 4426260228667445201
1267.05691881, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 9174041996562532390
1263.01526994, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 2739414437113065895
1263.01526994, NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93, 8460498484162517054
1107.9169948, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 4129053989588687950
1035.67252135, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 6693040997382971019
905.58194855, NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS, 4559366955224409990
884.11068896, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 1793840756108742427
833.59007816, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 10005675901731333221
711.96170767, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 18036946158199937100
707.28855117, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 1382154425694132131
688.46962365, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 12318913155727116390
645.27450141, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 6751846563714185178
631.50763497, NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT, 4527746068765039158
631.50763497, NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG, 4685478022819446046
624.56105099, NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB, 6855872654793102187
545.62259662, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 5641839134074753655
505.20610798, NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX, 1983336032723984385
505.20610798, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 13650018016077262055
486.26087893, NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8, 18030092118099264919
461.00057353, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 5186577345893202791
396.83939782, NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T, 13918359703069475864
378.90458098, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 11031223721372771076
378.90458098, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 5197813028381793629
337.22507708, NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25, 1720233402992755137
315.75381749, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 17980964712184347866
315.75381749, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 654457627340231348
315.75381749, NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K, 5306134544617831391
274.95842427, NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV, 11436342133833764185
252.60305399, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 2488702936601852082
252.60305399, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 7065441071266013251
189.45229049, NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS, 4095155788577481520
176.82213779, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 15023233572542691227
168.35993548, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 18131024059145746006
163.18157288, NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2, 12879748627097932794
158.25581332, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 7051300995935233241
143.98374077, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 17737266416383208655
138.93167969, NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT, 6717979400282473654
127.94344685, NXT-PFBN-NBW2-E3B7-G3MHM, 9065132202719254965
126.30152699, NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW, 13180151877312649972
126.30152699, NXT-TU23-XMYB-722V-5LWVC, 11302878852925049395
126.30152699, NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22, 8437166052197212388
126.30152699, NXT-8FG7-5GYY-WN87-FMQFQ, 2730141155804967220
117.83932469, NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD, 10948958883521637507
94.72614525, NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7, 965096351573082854
90.93709944, NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84, 9570799330721298205
86.76914905, NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT, 17910053393442890167
84.87462614, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 13543446382974493784
84.62202309, NXT-EUH2-Y9LT-J54V-EPB56, 2218949793314711627
77.04393147, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 5782401007175765357
69.46583985, NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX, 4947315000068160374
58.09870242, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 16906945787835083238
45.21594666, NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS, 8872094098413031774
41.67950391, NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778, 935656310457686207
37.8904581, NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM, 7464053512066289941
37.8904581, NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73, 3397567193597933561
34.10141229, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 4950534394752839282
25.2603054, NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF, 844580246438101910
22.86057639, NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF, 15643999528248690421
21.85016417, NXT-B7ZF-X7GW-AUWE-863Z9, 4569172435090132771
19.07153058, NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM, 12071244239137268262
18.94522905, NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD, 9597811256115853393
18.94522905, NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY, 11133607738436553521
12.6301527, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 4233460485470207447
12.6301527, NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5, 5166276741761131601
7.57809162, NXT-S75C-K4F3-8QDM-9T6V8, 7586804055879560394
4.6731565, NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL, 10854273150188153793
2.52603054, NXT-2EED-8L9A-89U7-9NNJ7, 6058811730488057133
1.26301527, NXT-MAX4-6ZDE-3QVX-CDMY9, 6288100645161831374
1.26301527, NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS, 8735830766236103802
0.37890458, NXT-J9V5-D2TQ-XTRW-F6VT2, 12253862572043659424
0.12630153, NXT-2XLN-29YB-7SLH-49TTY, 15290404424946539947
0.12630153, NXT-63UG-63M4-RKTE-B3PX9, 12463627705352244308
------------All transactions processed------------


Dividend this week was 12.6%.  The reason that this week was lower is largely my own fault.  We had about 5 btc left over that had not been invested into LTCgear shares in time (I was up until 0200 last night negotiating pack purchases on IRC with #LTCGEAR channel operators and was only able to secure an additional 13 packs last night).
We also had an additional 80,000 NXT come in at the last minute, which I didn't realize until I had sent out the dividends.  Future weeks will have dividends calculated using 12:00:00 UTC on the prior thursday as the cut off for dividends.
I also commit to having the auto re-investment working for next week, as well as the web portal on Hashrate.org - I didn't want to delay anyone's dividends at all again this week.  This will likely mean that I may send out a few test dividends of 1000 NXT to test the automated process throughout the next 24-48 hours (I will cover the cost of the testing out of pocket).

if you want to test, you're more than welcome to use my account NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM

in fact, please do! test multiple times!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 12:49:42 am
My sincerest apologies.  In order to prevent similar problems from happening in the future, I've actually been able to talk to Chris w/ LTCgear who has pre-placed some large orders on my account so that in the future all I have to do is pay for the orders and the shares will be credited.  This will prevent having to wait for the items to be in stock in the store.
I will also, as I mentioned, have a firm cutoff of 12:00:00 UTC for dividends in future weeks.  We should also have the multiplier in effect by next week's dividends, which I am sure will take us back up and over the 15% weekly. :)
Thank you all for your trust!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Pilot on November 01, 2014, 12:53:17 am
So, you paid out in NXT rather than Assets this week again?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 12:56:13 am
So, you paid out in NXT rather than Assets this week again?
Yes - please feel free to manually re-invest.  I didn't want to hold up this week's payouts while I did a couple trial runs of my recent script to calculate dividends and distribute assets.
As I mentioned, in the next 24-48 hours there will be a trial run of the new script to calculate and distribute dividends (and reinvested assets).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 30% return so far
Post by: whale on November 01, 2014, 02:01:28 am
If you've sold 1.75 million shares, that's about 105 BTC, which should have bought you at least 6.7 GH/s of qASICs... Why do you only have 6 GH/s?

Also, at the rate you are selling shares, and then selling NXT for BTC on BTER to buy more qASIC shares, you are creating huge sell pressure on NXT and driving prices down... Don't you think maybe you should slow things down a bit?

I'm just asking because I bought a few shares.
whale had mistakingly overbought 150k shares, which the asset issuer repurchased back from him on the AE.  He can vouch for this, that is what the inflated volume is from.
And I've offered to take straight BTC for shares, but there were no takers.
There are currently 1,663,140 shares sold, which has brought in about ~93 btc.  I don't know why you're using a fixed price of 0.00006, most the shares have been selling for 0.000057x.

We should also be getting an additional few hundred MH from our affiliate code once this week's payouts go through.

I confirm this happened. I jumped the gun on these shares without reading the thread. pf was kind enough to purchase these from me as he had not ordered the hashing power yet.

pf has made an incredibly competitive asset in the mining category. However, I primarily trade and this is more targeted towards miners. 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: lopalcar on November 01, 2014, 08:53:03 am
Only to confirm: If I buy shares today or tomorrow I will get the multiplication, right?  :)

PD: I will thank if a more detailed explanation could be done about my last post regarding the future of the asset. I don't think that have an incentive to buy early is a very good idea in an asset like this... The idea should be increass the hashrate constantly, but if later investors don't see any benefices they will simply use another asset. Current model could work if we form a group of initial investors and then we are left alone, I mean, only this initial investors will continue buying, so the shares will still be proportional... but for new investors... no point at all I think
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Cryptographer on November 01, 2014, 08:06:47 pm
Only to confirm: If I buy shares today or tomorrow I will get the multiplication, right?  :)

PD: I will thank if a more detailed explanation could be done about my last post regarding the future of the asset. I don't think that have an incentive to buy early is a very good idea in an asset like this... The idea should be increass the hashrate constantly, but if later investors don't see any benefices they will simply use another asset. Current model could work if we form a group of initial investors and then we are left alone, I mean, only this initial investors will continue buying, so the shares will still be proportional... but for new investors... no point at all I think

Early investors have the benefit of getting more dividends, but anyone can invest at any time and start getting nice weekly dividend payments.  Win/Win situation.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 08:32:58 pm
I urge anyone considering investing in this asset to invest today! I will be announcing the cutoff to qualify for multiplication but it is soon.
I have currently got open orders waiting to pay for up to 15 160MH packs, I just need the btc to be able to pay for them all. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 08:38:57 pm
Also, anyone wanting to directly invest BTC is more than welcome to and shares will be given to them at a slightly than better than BTER rate (a couple % better).
Please post in this thread ASAP if you'd like to do  that. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 08:58:17 pm
This post will get a lot of updates today.

14:58 - Just bought 320MH more.
15:40 - Bought 320 MH more.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: lopalcar on November 01, 2014, 09:49:53 pm
I will invest 445 protoshares worth of BTC + 0.55BTC once one DNS order get filled at bter and the protoshares arrives there "waiting since 3hours and still no confirmations  :'( " I will contact you once I have the money, could be tomorrow morning if not today? I will go to bed in not many time :S
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Cryptographer on November 01, 2014, 11:00:20 pm
Someone is selling a big chunk of mgwBTC at a decent rate - better than what's on BTER right now. Just FYI
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 11:15:01 pm
Someone is selling a big chunk of mgwBTC at a decent rate - better than what's on BTER right now. Just FYI
I don't think mgwBTC withdrawals are working yet?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 01, 2014, 11:24:12 pm
I urge anyone considering investing in this asset to invest today! I will be announcing the cutoff to qualify for multiplication but it is soon.
I have currently got open orders waiting to pay for up to 15 160MH packs, I just need the btc to be able to pay for them all. :)

Thanks.  Still trying to decide.  What is the multiplication?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Cryptographer on November 01, 2014, 11:26:16 pm
Someone is selling a big chunk of mgwBTC at a decent rate - better than what's on BTER right now. Just FYI
I don't think mgwBTC withdrawals are working yet?

yes they are
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 01, 2014, 11:30:31 pm
Someone is selling a big chunk of mgwBTC at a decent rate - better than what's on BTER right now. Just FYI
I don't think mgwBTC withdrawals are working yet?

yes they are
Wierd, last I had heard James had the servers offline while he was working on BTCD/Teleport stuff. I will check with him.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: jl777 on November 01, 2014, 11:34:45 pm
Someone is selling a big chunk of mgwBTC at a decent rate - better than what's on BTER right now. Just FYI
I don't think mgwBTC withdrawals are working yet?

yes they are
Wierd, last I had heard James had the servers offline while he was working on BTCD/Teleport stuff. I will check with him.
mgwBTCD is offline
mgwBTC is online, but no guarantees on response time, recently it has been decent though
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 02:43:43 am
20:43 - Just added an additional 480 MH, taking us well over 7 GH in total
Keep it coming, I have an additional 1.6 GH of pack orders just waiting to be paid for!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: BitcoinForumator on November 02, 2014, 09:23:43 am
Is the cutoff for multiplication there yet?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 02, 2014, 01:41:50 pm
Is the cutoff for multiplication there yet?

What is multiplication?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: lopalcar on November 02, 2014, 02:59:47 pm
Is the cutoff for multiplication there yet?

What is multiplication?
Each 45 days, ltcgear multiply your shares * 1,35, so if you buy now, you will get that extra shares in november 5 for the same price. They do that in order to mitigate difficulty increases effect and keep earning a similar amount of ltc although ltc difficult increase (seems to good to be true and that is why I'm scared about this being a ponzi... anyone know crish from first han and have any information to corroborate that this is real?  :-\ )
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 02, 2014, 03:49:23 pm
Is the cutoff for multiplication there yet?

What is multiplication?
Each 45 days, ltcgear multiply your shares * 1,35, so if you buy now, you will get that extra shares in november 5 for the same price. They do that in order to mitigate difficulty increases effect and keep earning a similar amount of ltc although ltc difficult increase (seems to good to be true and that is why I'm scared about this being a ponzi... anyone know crish from first han and have any information to corroborate that this is real?  :-\ )

LTCgear will probably reduce this multiplication factor or increase time period between multiplication because it is clear that this business model is not substainable in the long term.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: lopalcar on November 02, 2014, 04:32:29 pm
@pf: I sent you a pm this morning for invest directly in BTC, contact me when you can
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 02, 2014, 07:05:41 pm
Is the cutoff for multiplication there yet?

What is multiplication?
Each 45 days, ltcgear multiply your shares * 1,35, so if you buy now, you will get that extra shares in november 5 for the same price. They do that in order to mitigate difficulty increases effect and keep earning a similar amount of ltc although ltc difficult increase (seems to good to be true and that is why I'm scared about this being a ponzi... anyone know crish from first han and have any information to corroborate that this is real?  :-\ )

LTCgear will probably reduce this multiplication factor or increase time period between multiplication because it is clear that this business model is not substainable in the long term.

Very good if true and possible.

Is this for lifetime for HRLTCGEAR investors who buy early?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: lopalcar on November 02, 2014, 07:58:39 pm

Very good if true and possible.

Is this for lifetime for HRLTCGEAR investors who buy early?

For everyone, but seems a bit unsustainable for me and have a bad feeling of what will happen once I invest  :-\
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 02, 2014, 09:10:43 pm

Very good if true and possible.

Is this for lifetime for HRLTCGEAR investors who buy early?

For everyone, but seems a bit unsustainable for me and have a bad feeling of what will happen once I invest  :-\

Maybe someone can explain how it's possible they keep up their multiplication?

If it's coming out of profits they would give you, then I guess it makes sense... they are just setting aside some revenues for keeping ahead of difficulty curve.  Seems like a winning idea.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 02, 2014, 09:15:20 pm

Very good if true and possible.

Is this for lifetime for HRLTCGEAR investors who buy early?

For everyone, but seems a bit unsustainable for me and have a bad feeling of what will happen once I invest  :-\

Maybe someone can explain how it's possible they keep up their multiplication?

If it's coming out of profits they would give you, then I guess it makes sense... they are just setting aside some revenues for keeping ahead of difficulty curve.  Seems like a winning idea.

I just wrote that this is not substainable:

LTCgear will probably reduce this multiplication factor or increase time period between multiplication because it is clear that this business model is not substainable in the long term.

Exponential grow like this is not possible forever. Energy will be a constraint eventually, maybe space too, among others.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 02, 2014, 09:21:11 pm

I just wrote that this is not substainable:


Clearly that is your view.  I'm asking for someone (else) to chime in with an argument for how they can.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 09:22:26 pm
My prediction is that Scrypt ASIC miners will go the same sort of way that BTC miners did.  Maybe in a year or so people will be buying TH Scrypt miners (which will really make most of today's LTCgear purchases nearly invalid) - the asset will continue paying out as long as LTCgear pays out though (which would be for as long as the miners can run profitably).
I also have strong suspicions that part of the reason Chris is running this setup is that he may be merge mining doge and keeping that for himself.  Imagine how many BTC of doge 200+ GH of Scrypt miners could be making him. Even if people buying LTCgear just pay for the cost of the hardware with him, if he is merge mining he's probably still making an absolute fortune.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 02, 2014, 09:24:06 pm

I just wrote that this is not substainable:


Clearly that is your view.  I'm asking for someone (else) to chime in with an argument for how they can.

It is not my view. Math can prove that it can't.

It's like moore law with silicon chips, transistor can't be make it smaller and smaller forever.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 09:26:42 pm
In terms of sustainability - remember, Chris has been an FPGA developer for well over a decade long before bitcoin was  ever even around.  That would mean that he already had the relationships with the chip manufacturers, and the foundries, and would already have been familiar with their business practices. That alone would put him light years ahead of the competition.

It makes you wonder how many PHD engineer's are out there designing ASIC's and FPGA's for companies like Nokia and Intel and stuff who have just never thought about putting their skillset to work in Crypto. :p

We have no idea the specs for either the FPGA boards or ASIC chips that Chris is using - but it's not unrealistic to assume that he could be having a foundry in China manufacturing them for him in bulk.  (In fact, he's been to China twice on trips to his foundry).  Remember, he's not just a college kid who tried learning about building ASIC chips at school one day and then wanted to start building miners. :p

If you join #LTCGEAR on freenode, they've done a ton more background research into him and his setup. Feel free to PM me for a few of the details, I don't feel like sharing them all on a forum because to the best of my knowledge they haven't posted a bunch of his info online.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 09:28:05 pm

I just wrote that this is not substainable:


Clearly that is your view.  I'm asking for someone (else) to chime in with an argument for how they can.

It is not my view. Math can prove that it can't.

It's like moore law with silicon chips, transistor can't be make it smaller and smaller forever.

Who is to say that he keeps redesigning the miners? From what I know, he is currently on his third generation of private hardware but just keeps bringing more hardware online.  #LTCGEAR knows about one data centre and he has mentioned via email bringing two additional data centres online in other geographic regions.

(and haha, I've offered to send him my resume twice to help him build a Canadian one but no response thus far)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 02, 2014, 09:31:13 pm

I just wrote that this is not substainable:


Clearly that is your view.  I'm asking for someone (else) to chime in with an argument for how they can.

It is not my view. Math can prove that it can't.

It's like moore law with silicon chips, transistor can't be make it smaller and smaller forever.

Who is to say that he keeps redesigning the miners? From what I know, he is currently on his third generation of private hardware but just keeps bringing more hardware online.  #LTCGEAR knows about one data centre and he has mentioned via email bringing two additional data centres online in other geographic regions.

(and haha, I've offered to send him my resume twice to help him build a Canadian one but no response thus far)

Maybe the business model is substainable for a couple years, i did not made any estimation. But not foreever, for sure. Eventually it have to slow down, especially since the exponential base 1.35 is very high for a time period of 6 weeks... The compound hashrate would be much to high in the long run.   
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 09:34:45 pm
Also a clarification on multiplication.
35% Multiplication will occur on the 5th, which is a wednesday - payout day is Friday the 7th.
The "multiplied shares" do not recieve a full payout, but only for the 2 days after the multiplication.

As I have said before for this asset, once multiplication occurs each holder will recieve 15% more assets as per their balance at 12:00:00 noon on November 3rd, 2014.  This 15% will be distributed AFTER the dividends are sent out on the 7th.  (this shouldn't really impact anyone, as most of the shares will be going up by 15% which should keep the profit/share pretty much the same).

The additional 35% gain for the final two days of the week will be distributed as per normal to all of the pre-multiplicaton shareholders.   This should also boost profitability of all the shares (once the 15% is sent out) by approximately 20%.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 09:37:04 pm

Maybe the business model is substainable for a couple years, i did not made any estimation. But not foreever, for sure. Eventually it have to slow down, especially since the exponential base 1.35 is very high for a time period of 6 weeks...

Oh, I completely agree.  Nowhere has he promised us that he will be able to maintain the constant 1.35x multiplication over a time interval as long as a couple of years.

When his products have a ROI of just over 8 weeks, haha, 80 weeks down the road will likely already have returned close to 1000% ROI. :P
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 02, 2014, 09:43:27 pm

I just wrote that this is not substainable:


Clearly that is your view.  I'm asking for someone (else) to chime in with an argument for how they can.

It is not my view. Math can prove that it can't.

It's like moore law with silicon chips, transistor can't be make it smaller and smaller forever.

Who is to say that he keeps redesigning the miners? From what I know, he is currently on his third generation of private hardware but just keeps bringing more hardware online.  #LTCGEAR knows about one data centre and he has mentioned via email bringing two additional data centres online in other geographic regions.

(and haha, I've offered to send him my resume twice to help him build a Canadian one but no response thus far)

Maybe the business model is substainable for a couple years, i did not made any estimation. But not foreever, for sure. Eventually it have to slow down, especially since the exponential base 1.35 is very high for a time period of 6 weeks... The compound hashrate would be much to high in the long run.

Nothing is forever mate.   BTC mining has been going on nearly 7 years now and those with the skillz are still rolling in it.  These timeframes are fine for many investors.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 02, 2014, 09:48:50 pm
Also a clarification on multiplication.
35% Multiplication will occur on the 5th, which is a wednesday - payout day is Friday the 7th.
The "multiplied shares" do not recieve a full payout, but only for the 2 days after the multiplication.

As I have said before for this asset, once multiplication occurs each holder will recieve 15% more assets as per their balance at 12:00:00 noon on November 3rd, 2014.  This 15% will be distributed AFTER the dividends are sent out on the 7th.  (this shouldn't really impact anyone, as most of the shares will be going up by 15% which should keep the profit/share pretty much the same).

The additional 35% gain for the final two days of the week will be distributed as per normal to all of the pre-multiplicaton shareholders.   This should also boost profitability of all the shares (once the 15% is sent out) by approximately 20%.

So you're going to distribute the multiplication shares over the AE?  If so then cool.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 09:51:11 pm
Also a clarification on multiplication.
35% Multiplication will occur on the 5th, which is a wednesday - payout day is Friday the 7th.
The "multiplied shares" do not recieve a full payout, but only for the 2 days after the multiplication.

As I have said before for this asset, once multiplication occurs each holder will recieve 15% more assets as per their balance at 12:00:00 noon on November 3rd, 2014.  This 15% will be distributed AFTER the dividends are sent out on the 7th.  (this shouldn't really impact anyone, as most of the shares will be going up by 15% which should keep the profit/share pretty much the same).

The additional 35% gain for the final two days of the week will be distributed as per normal to all of the pre-multiplicaton shareholders.   This should also boost profitability of all the shares (once the 15% is sent out) by approximately 20%.

So you're going to distribute the multiplication shares over the AE?  If so then cool.
The 15% bonus won't be "sent over the AE" but will be transferred directly to each stakeholders account.
 (so the volume won't show up on secureae.com or anything)
Earlier in the thread we discussed how either way will really mean the same net profits per investor - this will just let people see their portfolio value go up by 15% (considering each HRLTCGEAR is technically worth 1 NXT)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 10:28:28 pm
9015 HRLTCGEAR sent to lopalcar for direct 0.5 BTC investment.
+
41456 HRLTCGEAR sent to lopalcar for a second direct 2.3 BTC investment.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 10:45:54 pm
800 MH more added at LTCGear
Taking us to just shy of 8 GH


I've already got another order pending payment for another 800 MH (after which it looks like the store is out of stock).
So keep on buying HRLTCGEAR!
Even when the store runs out of stock I am still able to secure additional packs, it just takes a bit more time because I have to reach out directly to one of the LTCgear operators.

BTW, anyone 'on the fence' about buying:
I encourage you to place buy orders at 0.9 NXT - I would love to increase the available liquidity (and give anyone who might need to free up some NXT an easy way to get out of HRLTCGEAR if they wanted as well as give you a chance to snap up some for cheap!)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 02, 2014, 10:56:16 pm
Do you think you are one of his biggest client? Or we are still small?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 02, 2014, 10:58:27 pm
I encourage you to place buy orders at 0.9 NXT - I would love to increase the available liquidity (and give anyone who might need to free up some NXT an easy way to get out of HRLTCGEAR if they wanted as well as give you a chance to snap up some for cheap!)

You could take the reinvestment shares from the ask order. That would solve the liquidity problem. Can you do that?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 02, 2014, 11:00:22 pm
Do you think you are one of his biggest client? Or we are still small?
#LTCGEAR has one guy who has over $200,000 tied up in packs (over 50 GH!)
I will email Chris right now and ask him this actually, he's usually pretty transparent and good about getting back to me. :) I will actually link him to this thread and see what he says about it, haha.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Pilot on November 03, 2014, 01:01:27 am
The 15% bonus won't be "sent over the AE" but will be transferred directly to each stakeholders account.
 (so the volume won't show up on secureae.com or anything)

What? You aren't going to do an asset transfer?

Also, I headed the LTC difficulty just dropped, or is about to drop. Will LTCGear still give you the additional shares in that case?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 03, 2014, 01:11:35 am
The 15% bonus won't be "sent over the AE" but will be transferred directly to each stakeholders account.
 (so the volume won't show up on secureae.com or anything)

What? You aren't going to do an asset transfer?

Also, I headed the LTC difficulty just dropped, or is about to drop. Will LTCGear still give you the additional shares in that case?
Yes, they will.
And I meant I will do an asset transfer. :) That the shareholders won't have to purchase their extra shares on the AE, is all that i meant.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 03, 2014, 02:03:24 pm
Would like to place an order, but I wonder if I've missed the multiplication cutoff time.  Is it 12:00 noon PST or EST?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 03, 2014, 05:14:53 pm
Would like to place an order, but I wonder if I've missed the multiplication cutoff time.  Is it 12:00 noon PST or EST?

Anyone know what timezone pf operates on?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 03, 2014, 05:44:35 pm
Would like to place an order, but I wonder if I've missed the multiplication cutoff time.  Is it 12:00 noon PST or EST?

Anyone know what timezone pf operates on?

I think it will be noon on the blockchain explorer, so UTC.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 03, 2014, 07:18:56 pm
Thanks.  pf please confirm cutoff timezone so I can invest or not.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 03, 2014, 07:37:24 pm
Hi guys,
Cutoff hasn't occured yet, I still have another order for 800 MH that I'd like to be able to buy.  (I will probably announce the cutoff has occured as soon as I have enough funds to pay for that order).
I still have the order placed with LTCgear, just waiting to pay them for it.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: xibeijan on November 03, 2014, 07:44:43 pm
awesome!!!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: ifeng on November 04, 2014, 12:33:52 am
pf please confirm cutoff timezone, so I can invest . 8)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: MadCow on November 04, 2014, 01:56:09 am
pf please confirm cutoff timezone, so I can invest . 8)

no word from pf, so I'm assuming cut-off hasn't happened yet. hope that assumption is correct
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 04, 2014, 03:57:17 pm
Cut off has not occured but will happen within a couple of hours.
I am just hoping to get in another 1.5 btc worth of NXT to pay for the final order of 800 MH.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: rlh on November 04, 2014, 04:18:23 pm
Cut off has not occured but will happen within a couple of hours.
I am just hoping to get in another 1.5 btc worth of NXT to pay for the final order of 800 MH.

Hey PF, I have 1.48859 BTC on Bter.  I'll send it to you, for the remaining, proportional shares.  Send me a PM if you want to work something out.  You will be about .02 BTC short, but hopefully you can make that up.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 04, 2014, 04:21:20 pm
Thanks rlh, PM coming right after this.
Here is our LTCgear account (prior to adding the final 800 MH order)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/10i86z4.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: th4o on November 04, 2014, 04:37:45 pm
just bought up some more shares :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: rlh on November 04, 2014, 04:48:32 pm
BTC, now we wait on Bter. :/
Also, remind me on how to setup dividend re-investments?  Do I send an IM or will you do it on request by the user over PM?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: bahamapascal on November 04, 2014, 05:29:29 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 04, 2014, 05:30:07 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Revenue or ROI?
We've paid out over 564k over 3 dividends so far.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: bahamapascal on November 04, 2014, 05:36:54 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Revenue or ROI?
We've paid out over 564k over 3 dividends so far.

What I mean is, wehn I Buy 10k shares. How much will I get Payd each month? If I understand it right, you mine LTC, sell them and with the revenue you buy Nxt, which are distributet to the share holders?

Edit: Ah, now I understand. You are already mining LTC...and have paid 564k to the shareholders. :)
Ower which time frame was that, the last 4 weeks? On how many shares where the 564k devided?

I am thinking if I shouldn't buy some. Just want to find out how long it would take to get the Investment amount back ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 04, 2014, 05:57:12 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Revenue or ROI?
We've paid out over 564k over 3 dividends so far.

What I mean is, wehn I Buy 10k shares. How much will I get Payd each month? If I understand it right, you mine LTC, sell them and with the revenue you buy Nxt, which are distributet to the share holders?

Edit: Ah, now I understand. You are already mining LTC...and have paid 564k to the shareholders. :)
Ower which time frame was that, the last 4 weeks? On how many shares where the 564k devided?

I am thinking if I shouldn't buy some. Just want to find out how long it would take to get the Investment amount back ;)
We have paid back 42% over 3 weeks.
(if you bought 10,000 HRLTCGEAR 3 weeks ago, you would have already recieved 4200 NXT as dividends)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: bahamapascal on November 04, 2014, 06:05:17 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Revenue or ROI?
We've paid out over 564k over 3 dividends so far.

What I mean is, wehn I Buy 10k shares. How much will I get Payd each month? If I understand it right, you mine LTC, sell them and with the revenue you buy Nxt, which are distributet to the share holders?

Edit: Ah, now I understand. You are already mining LTC...and have paid 564k to the shareholders. :)
Ower which time frame was that, the last 4 weeks? On how many shares where the 564k devided?

I am thinking if I shouldn't buy some. Just want to find out how long it would take to get the Investment amount back ;)
We have paid back 42% over 3 weeks.
(if you bought 10,000 HRLTCGEAR 3 weeks ago, you would have already recieved 4200 NXT as dividends)

Cool, every how often are dividents paid out?

If I would invest, I would do so with BTC. How would I do that?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: pf on November 04, 2014, 06:09:08 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Revenue or ROI?
We've paid out over 564k over 3 dividends so far.

What I mean is, wehn I Buy 10k shares. How much will I get Payd each month? If I understand it right, you mine LTC, sell them and with the revenue you buy Nxt, which are distributet to the share holders?

Edit: Ah, now I understand. You are already mining LTC...and have paid 564k to the shareholders. :)
Ower which time frame was that, the last 4 weeks? On how many shares where the 564k devided?

I am thinking if I shouldn't buy some. Just want to find out how long it would take to get the Investment amount back ;)
We have paid back 42% over 3 weeks.
(if you bought 10,000 HRLTCGEAR 3 weeks ago, you would have already recieved 4200 NXT as dividends)

Cool, every how often are dividents paid out?

If I would invest, I would do so with BTC. How would I do that?
You can invest BTC directly with me via PM.

BTW, I just placed the last 800 MH order that I have on hold with LTCgear.  I will be announcing the cutoff to qualify for multiplication in about 2 hours now (around 12:00 noon PST) (any last minute share purchases I will be able to arrange directly with ltcgear).  Once cutoff has occured, I will post up everyone's current holdings and the number of multiplication assets they will receive on the 7th.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, over 564k NXT dividends!
Post by: bahamapascal on November 04, 2014, 06:17:09 pm
What is the estimated revenue of HRLTC?
Revenue or ROI?
We've paid out over 564k over 3 dividends so far.

What I mean is, wehn I Buy 10k shares. How much will I get Payd each month? If I understand it right, you mine LTC, sell them and with the revenue you buy Nxt, which are distributet to the share holders?

Edit: Ah, now I understand. You are already mining LTC...and have paid 564k to the shareholders. :)
Ower which time frame was that, the last 4 weeks? On how many shares where the 564k devided?

I am thinking if I shouldn't buy some. Just want to find out how long it would take to get the Investment amount back ;)
We have paid back 42% over 3 weeks.
(if you bought 10,000 HRLTCGEAR 3 weeks ago, you would have already recieved 4200 NXT as dividends)

Cool, every how often are dividents paid out?

If I would invest, I would do so with BTC. How would I do that?
You can invest BTC directly with me via PM.

BTW, I just placed the last 800 MH order that I have on hold with LTCgear.  I will be announcing the cutoff to qualify for multiplication in about 2 hours now (around 12:00 noon PST) (any last minute share purchases I will be able to arrange directly with ltcgear).  Once cutoff has occured, I will post up everyone's current holdings and the number of multiplication assets they will receive on the 7th.

PM sent
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, ~8GH
Post by: dolux on November 05, 2014, 06:27:03 pm
Quote
Multiplication schedule
Hi,

Multiplication is scheduled for Nov 8, the day after payout. Saturday, Nov 8, the website will be placed in maintenance mode for several hours, all paid on-hold orders will be completed and will get their shares credited, then share multiplication will be performed.
To report on-hold orders for quicker completion, please use ‘on-hold’ keyword when reporting via support contact.

Kind Regards,
Chris

http://ltcgear.com/
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, ~8GH
Post by: pf on November 05, 2014, 07:40:27 pm
Hi all,

"Multiplication Shares" will be sent out after this week's payout.

The multiplication shares will be distributed as per for the following.
The data is in the format Account: <NXT ACCT> Original Shares: <Pre-Multiplication Shares> NewShares: <Post-Multiplication Shares>.  Decimals will be rounded up from .50 up and down for anything .49 and below.


Code: [Select]
Account: NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2 Original Shares: 416666 NewShares: 479165.90
Account: NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B Original Shares: 220000 NewShares: 253000.00
Account: NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN Original Shares: 200000 NewShares: 230000.00
Account: NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57 Original Shares: 127213 NewShares: 146294.95
Account: NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW Original Shares: 123600 NewShares: 142140.00
Account: NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9 Original Shares: 114300 NewShares: 131445.00
Account: NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC Original Shares: 100000 NewShares: 115000.00
Account: NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT Original Shares: 86021 NewShares: 98924.15
Account: NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD Original Shares: 65000 NewShares: 74750.00
Account: NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX Original Shares: 59298 NewShares: 68192.70
Account: NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ Original Shares: 55263 NewShares: 63552.45
Account: NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9 Original Shares: 52004 NewShares: 59804.60
Account: NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN Original Shares: 50000 NewShares: 57500.00
Account: NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP Original Shares: 50000 NewShares: 57500.00
Account: NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE Original Shares: 40000 NewShares: 46000.00
Account: NXT-VLMC-UFDD-DSJ2-EH8VS Original Shares: 38014 NewShares: 43716.10
Account: NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C Original Shares: 36850 NewShares: 42377.50
Account: NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL Original Shares: 36000 NewShares: 41400.00
Account: NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86 Original Shares: 34000 NewShares: 39100.00
Account: NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ Original Shares: 32599 NewShares: 37488.85
Account: NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M Original Shares: 30000 NewShares: 34500.00
Account: NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM Original Shares: 27220 NewShares: 31303.00
Account: NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7 Original Shares: 26000 NewShares: 29900.00
Account: NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F Original Shares: 25000 NewShares: 28750.00
Account: NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L Original Shares: 24000 NewShares: 27600.00
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, ~8GH
Post by: dolux on November 05, 2014, 10:29:07 pm
Hi all,

"Multiplication Shares" will be sent out after this week's payout.



Thanks for info and update.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, ~8GH
Post by: ifeng on November 06, 2014, 12:29:39 am
thank you!very good!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 07, 2014, 04:29:51 am
We are officially over 9 GH!
We were also awarded 192 additional MH as our affiliate bonus due to the number of recent purchases we have made.  I look forward to payouts tomorrow, then I will distribute the 'multiplication shares' once the LTCgear multiplication goes through on saturday.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: ifeng on November 07, 2014, 06:04:53 am
Really looking forward to...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 07, 2014, 11:51:46 pm
16 btc of nxt just bought on BTER, im betting dividends incoming!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: JamesList on November 08, 2014, 12:08:02 am
Are you serious to only pay out 1.15 off the 1.35 multiplication? So you are getting about 1.6 Gh for free or in USD 8000 for managing this asset? Terrible to see how stupid some investores are.

@ investores

go next time directly to www.ltcgear.com use the "anniversary1yr" coupon -49%, pay with bitcoin -8% and use your own affiliate link -11% and get the double for your money!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Pilot on November 08, 2014, 12:34:44 am
Are you serious to only pay out 1.15 off the 1.35 multiplication? So you are getting about 1.6 Gh for free or in USD 8000 for managing this asset? Terrible to see how stupid some investores are.

@ investores

go next time directly to www.ltcgear.com use the "anniversary1yr" coupon -49%, pay with bitcoin -8% and use your own affiliate link -11% and get the double for your money!

I'm really not in a position at this point in my crypto investment life to throw don't $900.

They really let you get your own referral fee. That's just strange.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Dxl on November 08, 2014, 12:40:10 am
Get ready for 20% multiplication shares in 24 hours
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 08, 2014, 12:41:48 am
Are you serious to only pay out 1.15 off the 1.35 multiplication? So you are getting about 1.6 Gh for free or in USD 8000 for managing this asset? Terrible to see how stupid some investores are.

@ investores

go next time directly to www.ltcgear.com use the "anniversary1yr" coupon -49%, pay with bitcoin -8% and use your own affiliate link -11% and get the double for your money!
no thats not right sir, he isnt getting the rest of the multiplication. it is being put into the pool that we are all getting the dividends from, so all the dividends will increase by approx 20% and our holdings will increase by 15%.

I repeat, pf isnt taking anything here.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: JanSako on November 08, 2014, 01:15:00 am
I don't think he is taking anything either, but he IS kinda going back on his word about 'not reinvesting', and about how 1 share of HRLTCGear will always be worth 1 qAsic (not sure about the correct term)...

Could be he is doing it because he would run out of shares to sell if he multiplies ours 'for free'  ;D

We shall see next week if the dividends/share go up.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 08, 2014, 01:43:33 am
I don't think he is taking anything either, but he IS kinda going back on his word about 'not reinvesting', and about how 1 share of HRLTCGear will always be worth 1 qAsic (not sure about the correct term)...

Could be he is doing it because he would run out of shares to sell if he multiplies ours 'for free'  ;D

We shall see next week if the dividends/share go up.

he will never run out of shares. there are 100 million of them. 2nd you're thinking of ltc2nxt that 1 share is always equal 1qAsic, HRLTCGEAR does not work like that. HRLTCGEAR is a pool of our our money used to get as much hash rate as possible for the pool. all the earnings are then distributed to people based on your holdings, so if the mining profits are 1000 nxt and you own 10% of the shares you would get 100 nxt. you simply get whatever percentage you own of the pool
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: JamesList on November 08, 2014, 02:21:32 am
Are you serious to only pay out 1.15 off the 1.35 multiplication? So you are getting about 1.6 Gh for free or in USD 8000 for managing this asset? Terrible to see how stupid some investores are.

@ investores

go next time directly to www.ltcgear.com use the "anniversary1yr" coupon -49%, pay with bitcoin -8% and use your own affiliate link -11% and get the double for your money!


I'm really not in a position at this point in my crypto investment life to throw don't $900.

They really let you get your own referral fee. That's just strange.

You can buy small shares for the same price on other sites like ltcgeartalk.net

They don't let you get your own referral fee but most ppls just open second account or are splitting the affiliate money with "friends".

Are you serious to only pay out 1.15 off the 1.35 multiplication? So you are getting about 1.6 Gh for free or in USD 8000 for managing this asset? Terrible to see how stupid some investores are.

@ investores

go next time directly to www.ltcgear.com use the "anniversary1yr" coupon -49%, pay with bitcoin -8% and use your own affiliate link -11% and get the double for your money!
no thats not right sir, he isnt getting the rest of the multiplication. it is being put into the pool that we are all getting the dividends from, so all the dividends will increase by approx 20% and our holdings will increase by 15%.

I repeat, pf isnt taking anything here.

If he is not taking anything, then I'm sorry. We need a clear statement on that.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 08, 2014, 02:37:21 am
16 btc of nxt just bought on BTER, im betting dividends incoming!
lol
I will have exact numbers soon
but dividends are over 300k NXT
they might not get sent out for another hour or two, i am just out at my parents house for dinner, but I will send them shortly after that. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: JanSako on November 08, 2014, 11:48:42 am
I don't think he is taking anything either, but he IS kinda going back on his word about 'not reinvesting', and about how 1 share of HRLTCGear will always be worth 1 qAsic (not sure about the correct term)...

Could be he is doing it because he would run out of shares to sell if he multiplies ours 'for free'  ;D

We shall see next week if the dividends/share go up.

he will never run out of shares. there are 100 million of them. 2nd you're thinking of ltc2nxt that 1 share is always equal 1qAsic, HRLTCGEAR does not work like that. HRLTCGEAR is a pool of our our money used to get as much hash rate as possible for the pool. all the earnings are then distributed to people based on your holdings, so if the mining profits are 1000 nxt and you own 10% of the shares you would get 100 nxt. you simply get whatever percentage you own of the pool

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 08, 2014, 01:21:02 pm
16 btc of nxt just bought on BTER, im betting dividends incoming!
lol
I will have exact numbers soon
but dividends are over 300k NXT
they might not get sent out for another hour or two, i am just out at my parents house for dinner, but I will send them shortly after that. :)

The other 2 assets have paid out. Why haven't you?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: th4o on November 08, 2014, 02:59:48 pm
He will pay. Just don't run out of patience ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 08, 2014, 03:10:58 pm
He will pay. Just don't run out of patience ;)
i know he will, just curious as to why he hasnt
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 08, 2014, 03:25:06 pm
i am just out at my parents house for dinner,

...desert, drinks, passing out on couch, and breakfast lunch.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 08, 2014, 06:57:03 pm
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Waiting+for+your+friend+in+the+bathroom+fuckin+shopping+with_e8a5be_4592398.gif)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 08, 2014, 07:20:23 pm
yeah so pf?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 08, 2014, 07:29:13 pm
Come oooon!..
(http://www.templeofcats.com/wp-content/gallery/gifs-used/waiting.gif)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 08, 2014, 09:04:52 pm
i am just out at my parents house for dinner,

and then off to Mexico!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 08, 2014, 09:35:19 pm
Has anyone heard from pf?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 08, 2014, 10:50:37 pm
@pf,
your absence and non communication is currently causing a panic selling on the market and all buy liquidity is gone. You are hangling a lot of money now and I can understand that new people can be somehow be stress about the situation that you are causing.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 08, 2014, 10:55:57 pm
Has anyone heard from pf?
...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: JamesList on November 08, 2014, 11:16:45 pm
@pf,
your absence and non communication is currently causing a panic selling on the market and all buy liquidity is gone. You are hangling a lot of money now and I can understand that new people can be somehow be stress about the situation that you are causing.

It was just dumb that peoples bought his asset even if he is coming back. It's just an additional risk to be get scammed doing business with a third party if it is not necessary.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 08, 2014, 11:21:59 pm
@pf,
your absence and non communication is currently causing a panic selling on the market and all buy liquidity is gone. You are hangling a lot of money now and I can understand that new people can be somehow be stress about the situation that you are causing.

Too bad all this happening right before the multiplication. We could have bought some more shares by getting revenues before it happens (like all other assets gave us a chance to), but now... well, I'm just hoping everything will be ok. :-\

Too many scams recently. If that happens again, I gues NXT community just HAS TO significantly modify rules for the asset issuers. And as for me I won't be buying anymore, but will do just vise versa... see no other option.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 08, 2014, 11:24:35 pm
@pf,
your absence and non communication is currently causing a panic selling on the market and all buy liquidity is gone. You are hangling a lot of money now and I can understand that new people can be somehow be stress about the situation that you are causing.

Too bad all this happening right before the multiplication. We could have bought some more shares by getting revenues before it happens (like all other assets gave us a chance to), but now... well, I'm just hoping everything will be ok. :-\

Too many scams recently. If that happens again, I gues NXT community just HAS TO significantly modify rules for the asset issuers. And as for me I won't be buying anymore, but will do right vise versa... just don't see no other option.
Whether it's intentional scam or pf is in a coma, the outcome is the same for investors. The single point of failure has to change.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 08, 2014, 11:28:19 pm
(https://i.imgflip.com/dy7cv.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 08, 2014, 11:52:19 pm
@pf,
your absence and non communication is currently causing a panic selling on the market and all buy liquidity is gone. You are hangling a lot of money now and I can understand that new people can be somehow be stress about the situation that you are causing.

Too bad all this happening right before the multiplication. We could have bought some more shares by getting revenues before it happens (like all other assets gave us a chance to), but now... well, I'm just hoping everything will be ok. :-\

Too many scams recently. If that happens again, I gues NXT community just HAS TO significantly modify rules for the asset issuers. And as for me I won't be buying anymore, but will do right vise versa... just don't see no other option.
Whether it's intentional scam or pf is in a coma, the outcome is the same for investors. The single point of failure has to change.

Agree. We need to do something about that. My offer is to modify the AE, so that:
- one person (whoever he is) cannot create any asset, but only a group of people, 2/3 (or 4/5) of which should be trusted by the community (like NXTInspect, for instance). You can call it the "board of directors";
- all money streams and other stuff should be controled via voting by the "board of directors", so that one person won't be able to run away with all money;
- the NAV buy wall should always be set up (funds for it should be taken rather from the starting capital or received revenues), so that anyone can get out at any time, and the permission to control it in any way should always be restricted;
...or am I talking about smart contracts?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 08, 2014, 11:57:03 pm
So where is pf? Payout happened Friday, where is the dividend?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 08, 2014, 11:59:43 pm
Crazy, guys.
Payouts are processing right now, for just over 330,000 NXT.
TXNs posted shortly.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 09, 2014, 12:01:18 am
Crazy, guys.
Payouts are processing right now, for just over 330,000 NXT.
TXNs posted shortly.

yeah, I know pf, when a lot of money is involve, people are getting emotional.  :D
Just try to give accurate info in the future ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 09, 2014, 12:01:41 am
i cant believe i didnt get scammed. its weird how the crypto world changes you
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 09, 2014, 12:02:35 am
@pf,
your absence and non communication is currently causing a panic selling on the market and all buy liquidity is gone. You are hangling a lot of money now and I can understand that new people can be somehow be stress about the situation that you are causing.

Too bad all this happening right before the multiplication. We could have bought some more shares by getting revenues before it happens (like all other assets gave us a chance to), but now... well, I'm just hoping everything will be ok. :-\

Too many scams recently. If that happens again, I gues NXT community just HAS TO significantly modify rules for the asset issuers. And as for me I won't be buying anymore, but will do just vise versa... see no other option.
I already announced the cutoff to qualify for the multiplication shares, it's too late to buy additional LTCgear shares and still qualify for multiplication.
Part of what took a bit of time was that between HRLTCGEAR and HRNXTPOOL, I had to buy nearly 500k worth of NXT (and I placed competitively priced buy orders instead of just clearing the sell books)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 09, 2014, 12:06:11 am
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 09, 2014, 12:09:14 am
Crazy, guys.
Payouts are processing right now, for just over 330,000 NXT.
TXNs posted shortly.
Phew... you caused some panic sell at AE..  ::)

I already announced the cutoff to qualify for the multiplication shares, it's too late to buy additional LTCgear shares and still qualify for multiplication.
Part of what took a bit of time was that between HRLTCGEAR and HRNXTPOOL, I had to buy nearly 500k worth of NXT (and I placed competitively priced buy orders instead of just clearing the sell books)
Ok. Thanks for the info. Though I'll buy some more shares anyway... :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: peggy2jj on November 09, 2014, 12:13:49 am
I got it
Great
Thx
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 09, 2014, 12:14:04 am
12.4% ROI this week.  This number should likely go up by close to 20% next week after multiplication (and once the additional 15% bonus shares get distributed).

My apologies yet again for anyone who had requested automatic reinvestment (there were only five of you).  I just wanted to get the dividend out as quickly as possible after seeing the commotion in this thread.

Amount paid, Account, TX
52826.85978633, NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2, 11164543814922167652
27318.92818557, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 1636013523720706159
26573.86650778, NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN, 5047958453017945226
15796.92186941, NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57, 12148483403654169260
15348.27056244, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 7170778177537262197
14317.60190816, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 6533135446779078233
12417.6946298, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 16905209906078303459
10681.8250975, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 3532580704536927358
8071.50150937, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 14295157520670524874
7363.44456158, NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX, 14093965794253177130
6867.48183807, NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ, 435083295941849563
6457.69791528, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 7328332803559814135
6208.8473149, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 17122527540075984830
6208.8473149, NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN, 4194152359736744851
4967.07785192, NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE, 3592175621428122412
4575.92047108, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 17352766310687160337
4470.37006673, NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL, 4594876420079794714
4222.01617413, NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86, 694983001996709282
4048.04427237, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 5823976237715216880
4041.959602, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 1745193277369897328
4028.79684569, NXT-VLMC-UFDD-DSJ2-EH8VS, 14652049200783396388
3725.30838894, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 8038991851468222563
3715.25005629, NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F, 5625778701872914956
3380.09647823, NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM, 7026942541949825515
3228.60060375, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 4047494277005824398
2980.24671115, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 1905439724761367376
2495.95662059, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 12602081117889372810
2483.53892596, NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T, 15014268628054469733
2483.53892596, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 4741737071180763950
2483.53892596, NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA, 3954395966177795077
2483.53892596, NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT, 13120259679970537700
2483.53892596, NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5, 11213321612132309837
1862.65419447, NXT-2VD5-3VPM-KYES-6A5BT, 17510789167618555537
1753.99936646, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 2825438746966685316
1750.8949428, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 2681723850219038910
1552.21182873, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 12305930811591092682
1488.88158611, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 2763741469299890666
1339.00001193, NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8, 11849180640495950726
1303.85793613, NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93, 5598736159231457746
1245.74312526, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 18362144837609703888
1241.76946298, NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG, 7185097407989415667
1241.76946298, NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY, 13639133302010898829
1241.76946298, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 3112089987705491763
1241.76946298, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 2870372069841933387
1235.56061567, NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25, 1757895156430609757
1179.68098983, NXT-RNEB-CMJR-ELLX-GZJMT, 12947325653928589228
1050.53696568, NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS, 375062698614097430
993.41557038, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 13413212550235447997
993.41557038, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 14184552482925947735
973.67143592, NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB, 2569983513319158520
831.9855402, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 18175223514063327653
774.8641449, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 16834955170476596105
762.32227332, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 11478568035425371878
762.07391943, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 17056914850496814670
707.8085939, NXT-4HFF-7TTU-YTVL-AVMWV, 13799597743120648787
682.97320464, NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K, 9245243384347249227
653.79162226, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 11204664230817299132
634.42001864, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 7398222115248712197
620.88473149, NXT-PFBN-NBW2-E3B7-G3MHM, 2237008660415649989
620.88473149, NXT-MDBD-9G7U-WD6U-8WFPL, 471595288370981616
620.88473149, NXT-TU23-XMYB-722V-5LWVC, 2058961082759627207
589.84049492, NXT-DHL3-UJKW-JJAG-6R9BJ, 16171175121052359317
583.6316476, NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT, 9049604711456546960
491.3681765, NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX, 13646078330675267301
453.24585399, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 14878782276948608500
453.24585399, NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS, 16092553072099072521
434.61931204, NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW, 11216884543524950480
434.61931204, NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7, 4901248006986587999
406.18279134, NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T, 9443084228465790781
384.94853352, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 6761384188570498199
372.53083889, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 14993400553162964445
372.53083889, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 14585201214027851983
372.53083889, NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF, 17293726250702761739
366.32199158, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 3899439645788164600
347.69544963, NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT, 17794543186295496758
323.48094511, NXT-GHAL-CD2K-HEEG-7PLBL, 16813371397663583593
322.86006037, NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6, 9437220580425821947
316.77539001, NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV, 3599502721026830785
310.56654269, NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3, 10238345938522098055
310.44236575, NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9, 15237417003434335569
276.7904133, NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD, 987315160174208444
248.3538926, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 11995145927525874310
248.3538926, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 12783067883359576025
248.3538926, NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22, 16220952989965745515
231.59000485, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 332321818603736965
217.68218686, NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778, 12976043980399645183
196.19957515, NXT-Y6LD-38LR-5WE8-DDPBN, 2665648572357877863
186.26541945, NXT-ZR6Q-2DBZ-JTZP-5Q6ZK, 8390196442788506174
174.84114039, NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS, 7790124837273843598
165.52786942, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 6822771873807064880
162.67179965, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 9693002873963724540
160.43661462, NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2, 18144328112831365693
137.71223344, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 17723982723076994360
136.59464093, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 9084742693321113527
124.1769463, NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW, 3584423697257341589
124.1769463, NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73, 3143710183579041933
124.1769463, NXT-8FG7-5GYY-WN87-FMQFQ, 6349319643173233481
124.1769463, NXT-BT7K-KX8C-784T-EZ3WG, 776871597076648167
124.1769463, NXT-Z9BG-6MGD-NT7D-HPV7S, 8804195385238961393
118.96151455, NXT-NH53-QEG6-NG4U-6D9DZ, 17188858017256113785
116.72632952, NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84, 12199386758693685610
111.75925167, NXT-ATPB-JE97-MVFB-E9WWD, 7073817434598122890
99.34155704, NXT-S96S-MDZY-UKG8-2ACBP, 18165280274854672986
99.34155704, NXT-2L4G-2KTP-7YKJ-HZNJY, 4876611166644472272
94.99536392, NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM, 10272591019199201816
93.13270972, NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7, 9056422611578564545
86.92386241, NXT-6BLV-3QZM-HMMQ-6Y5LZ, 9807045857355975096
84.81285432, NXT-QCXP-YL3N-3SYS-EZX5T, 15212423296013820487
68.29732046, NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX, 11423908525589493760
62.08847315, NXT-T42Q-CW9H-CZ4A-2H4NA, 13028615576777419764
59.60493422, NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL, 198985843234634978
57.1213953, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 7246951290124127598
48.67736295, NXT-76CF-3FFB-9RKM-EBFUT, 12221320485620552382
31.04423657, NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF, 7651823092545400848
26.8222204, NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF, 17011586877308626290
26.44968956, NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM, 15891078632084314908
22.35185033, NXT-S75C-K4F3-8QDM-9T6V8, 4416642978988077957
21.48261171, NXT-B7ZF-X7GW-AUWE-863Z9, 15923249723258674768
18.62654194, NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY, 9373253417121194214
18.62654194, NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD, 8298674056033479790
12.41769463, NXT-44HE-6Z3Y-N2ZL-E9ZPW, 9801030004501798253
12.41769463, NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5, 18268952641002820024
10.55504044, NXT-UD68-KH7T-EL2A-3XH2F, 438873842546989601
10.55504044, NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS, 5603192638218360579
9.31327097, NXT-SZUB-FHZP-JTFL-7YEET, 7173301716418406230
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 09, 2014, 12:22:12 am
Agree. We need to do something about that. My offer is to modify the AE, so that:
- one person (whoever he is) cannot create any asset, but only a group of people, 2/3 (or 4/5) of which should be trusted by the community (like NXTInspect, for instance). You can call it the "board of directors";

This is the worst idea I've ever heard on these forums.  If you want hand holding, regulation and big brother to protect you (from yourself), then why even bother with crypto? Just visit your local (SEC corrupted) Wall St branch.

- all money streams and other stuff should be controled via voting by the "board of directors", so that one person won't be able to run away with all money;
- the NAV buy wall should always be set up (funds for it should be taken rather from the starting capital or received revenues), so that anyone can get out at any time, and the permission to control it in any way should always be restricted;
...or am I talking about smart contracts?

You're talking total nonsense.  You get a toilet.

(http://rs1img.memecdn.com/Toilet_c_92696.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 09, 2014, 12:24:44 am
I have updated post 2 of this thread with payout information.
Future week's payouts will happen between the payout friday and the evening of the saturday immediately after it (the next day).  As the asset keeps growing, it takes longer and longer to obtain so much NXT at a reasonable price.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 09, 2014, 12:29:14 am
You're talking total nonsense.  You get a toilet.
Whatever...  ;D but a buy wall I think is a good idea. I don't see any other solutions to fight against scammers or unforeseen circumstances. What if something happens to an issuer? All funds will just get frozen or even lost..
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 09, 2014, 12:34:41 am
@pf regulate yourself.

What are you contingency plans should something happen to you, such as a prolonged state of deep unconsciiousness caused by serious injury?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 09, 2014, 12:43:17 am
I have to stop following this forum. Fuck this shit.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 09, 2014, 12:44:11 am
I have to stop following this forum. Fuck this shit.
???
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 09, 2014, 12:48:51 am
You're talking total nonsense.  You get a toilet.
Whatever...  ;D but a buy wall I think is a good idea. I don't see any other solutions to fight against scammers or unforeseen circumstances. What if something happens to an issuer? All funds will just get frozen or even lost..

Possibly yes, but man up. This is crypto, not a 401K plan.

Each issuer should have their own contingency plan. No need to centralise everything with regulation, bureaucracy, stupid layers and complexities, lawyers, higher costs, thick red tape... otherwise you end up with a reincarnation of the status quo.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cobaltskky on November 09, 2014, 01:43:02 am
So for this whole multiplication thing...does that mean pf'll be sending us asset holders more HRLTCGEAR assets eventually?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 09, 2014, 01:58:14 am
So for this whole multiplication thing...does that mean pf'll be sending us asset holders more HRLTCGEAR assets eventually?

yes
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 09, 2014, 02:02:12 am
So for this whole multiplication thing...does that mean pf'll be sending us asset holders more HRLTCGEAR assets eventually?

yes
Indeed
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened yet, so this will most likely be monday.
It will be as per the multiplication snapshot that I posted a few pages back
LTCGEAR just updated
Code: [Select]
Multiplication schedule (UPDATED)
UPDATE: For technical reasons, the maintenance is rescheduled for Monday, Nov 10.
In case you requested support assistance via e-mail, which may require further correspondence from us, please verify your e-mail inbox before Monday.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 09, 2014, 04:26:29 am
Crazy, guys.
Payouts are processing right now, for just over 330,000 NXT.
TXNs posted shortly.

It's fine if it takes a few days to send payouts because of having to buy so much NXT, but just post to the forum to let people know.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: whatnxt on November 09, 2014, 08:42:38 am
It's fine if it takes a few days to send payouts because of having to buy so much NXT, but just post to the forum to let people know.

I agree, please keep us informed.

I know it can be hard when things are not going your way, however, these times are usually when a simple message saying, you are still with us but cannot do anything, is the most valuable action to take.

Thanks for the dividend :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: rubenbc on November 09, 2014, 09:07:31 am
@pf I like your asset, dividends are so good. I hope that you must be a legal person because might you have gone with more than 2 million of our nxt and you have not done.

good luck
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cobaltskky on November 09, 2014, 12:01:41 pm
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: printshop on November 09, 2014, 12:33:09 pm
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)

I would ideally like to see a company this size incorporate and hire a PR.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 09, 2014, 03:11:33 pm
I also think that you have to keep us better informed, at least the dividend days, many of us here have been scamed several times and like you see some guys go crazy really fast...ahh, and keep in first page the amount of ltcgear shares we have each day, or in order to be more transparent, your ltc address for payouts "we trust, but if you aren't hiding anything, this shoudn't bother you". I think complete transparency is good, don't you?

I know this is a bit bored, but now you're managing many money "and how more money you manage, more money you earn", so you have to keep investors happy and our heart quiet :P , I think is an affordable amount of works for the beneficts this can give you.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 09, 2014, 03:44:32 pm
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)

I would ideally like to see a company this size incorporate and hire a PR.

The more regulation and lawyers involved the more you will find such crypto-based businesses seem to disappear.  Keep it simple.  Let it be a one man show with pf, lean and mean, more profit for all.

We seriously do not want to start emulating the status quo, which crypto is supposed to revolutionise.  This is a new paradigm. you need to check your conventional bag-o-solutions at the door.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 09, 2014, 03:53:59 pm
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)

I would ideally like to see a company this size incorporate and hire a PR.
i have messaged pf about becoming some sort of pr. if i were to have a way to contact him outside of the forum like a cell phone or skype number then i could easily verify his intentions of going to mexico or just getting the dividends ready.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 09, 2014, 10:11:29 pm
Hi pf,

I've been thinking, and it seems like the way your are handling the 1.35 qASIC share multiplication is not fair to your current shareholders.  You are keeping the entire 35% of the multiplied qASIC shares in the mining account, which is great, but then you are issuing a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares to investors at a rate of 15% of their current holdings, and yet keeping the price of HRLTCGEAR at 1 NXT per share.  This means that people who buy shares after the multiplication will be paying ~250 NXT for 1.2 MH/s, while people who invested before the multiplication paid ~250 NXT for 1 MH/s.

So, I propose you do one of the following options instead -

1. Issue current shareholders a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares at a rate of 35% of their current holdings, and keep price at 1 NXT
2. Issue the dividend at 15% like you have planned, but raise the price of new shares to 1.2 NXT, since the amount in the mining account will have increased by 20% relative to the number of shares issued.

These would both be fair ways to handle things.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 09, 2014, 10:25:25 pm
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 09, 2014, 10:28:21 pm
@Cryptographer
This seems to make sense. Waiting for pf to comment.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: whatnxt on November 09, 2014, 10:56:36 pm
Hi Cryptographer,
The problem with saying 1 share is equal to X amount of hashing power is that X amount of hashing power will tend to produce less income as time goes by.

The value of 1 share is the income it produces.

If the share price is always 1 NXT then the hashing power has to increase to maintain the income.

Pf's approach increases hashing power over time (whether it is enough or not is a different question). In this way pf is trying to maintain the income.

So IMHO the question is: if the share is always priced at 1NXT what should the income be on average and how is it fairly maintained?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 09, 2014, 11:59:21 pm
Hi Cryptographer,
The problem with saying 1 share is equal to X amount of hashing power is that X amount of hashing power will tend to produce less income as time goes by.

The value of 1 share is the income it produces.

If the share price is always 1 NXT then the hashing power has to increase to maintain the income.

Pf's approach increases hashing power over time (whether it is enough or not is a different question). In this way pf is trying to maintain the income.

So IMHO the question is: if the share is always priced at 1NXT what should the income be on average and how is it fairly maintained?

Yeah, that is a good point, the mining profit for each individual qASIC share does go down. However, the price of qASIC shares is still the same.... Should new investors get a discount?  If the full 35% from the multiplication is given out to shareholders, they will still get the benefits of increased dividends, and the share price will still reflect the cost of qASIC shares.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: printshop on November 10, 2014, 12:19:03 am
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)

I would ideally like to see a company this size incorporate and hire a PR.

The more regulation and lawyers involved the more you will find such crypto-based businesses seem to disappear.  Keep it simple.  Let it be a one man show with pf, lean and mean, more profit for all.

We seriously do not want to start emulating the status quo, which crypto is supposed to revolutionise.  This is a new paradigm. you need to check your conventional bag-o-solutions at the door.

No, you're wrong on this one. The rules of business have nothing to do with big government and fiat excess. If you don't incorporate a company and play by the rules when you get bigger, that in and of itself will cause you to disappear.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 12:29:33 am
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
I hadn't thought about this, but this is quite true.
What do people think about increasing the price per share to 1.2 NXT after the 15% additional shares are sent out?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 12:35:40 am
To whomever just sold me nearly 20k HRLTCGEAR at below 1 NXT, thanks!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Pilot on November 10, 2014, 01:46:08 am
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
I hadn't thought about this, but this is quite true.
What do people think about increasing the price per share to 1.2 NXT after the 15% additional shares are sent out?

I agree with this. The price must go up with the value of the increases. This also makes it important for dividends to be paid as assets if re-investment is requested. (I think.) Gotta do the math on that.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 01:52:22 am
Hi pf,

I've been thinking, and it seems like the way your are handling the 1.35 qASIC share multiplication is not fair to your current shareholders.  You are keeping the entire 35% of the multiplied qASIC shares in the mining account, which is great, but then you are issuing a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares to investors at a rate of 15% of their current holdings, and yet keeping the price of HRLTCGEAR at 1 NXT per share.  This means that people who buy shares after the multiplication will be paying ~250 NXT for 1.2 MH/s, while people who invested before the multiplication paid ~250 NXT for 1 MH/s.

So, I propose you do one of the following options instead -

1. Issue current shareholders a dividend of HRLTCGEAR shares at a rate of 35% of their current holdings, and keep price at 1 NXT
2. Issue the dividend at 15% like you have planned, but raise the price of new shares to 1.2 NXT, since the amount in the mining account will have increased by 20% relative to the number of shares issued.

These would both be fair ways to handle things.
Hey Cryptographer, thanks for this post  - I agree with just about everything that you posted and will go with option #2 most likely.
Still the issue with increasing the base price, is that the 35% multiplication increase is intended to mitigate difficulty increases, not increase profitability.  (granted, the way LTCgear lets you qualify for multiplication with last minute purchases might not make it seem like this)
By raising the base price to 1.2 NXT, it means that the 'weekly ROI' will likely continue to slowly fall over time.  (whereas keeping it at 1 NXT would likely take it back up and over the 15% ROI weekly next week).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: ifeng on November 10, 2014, 02:01:45 am
hi pf
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened? now!
why?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: jl777 on November 10, 2014, 02:44:57 am
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
I disagree

The correct thing to do is nothing. Each asset represents a proportional share of the total hashrate purchased. This 35% bonus is part of this purchased hashrate, so all existing assetholders get 35% more hashrate. There is nothing unfair about this.

Also, any new purchasers are purchasing a proportionate share, and nothing stops existing assetholders from buying more.

There is no need to complicate things. The value of each asset just went up and this also provides insurance against any non-linear increase in LTC difficulty (we all know it will happen) from reducing the returns

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: jl777 on November 10, 2014, 02:45:46 am
hi pf
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened? now!
why?
multiplication has happened. The total hashpower of HRLTCgear has been increased. But keep in mind so has the hashrate of all other LTCgear customers

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: jl777 on November 10, 2014, 02:47:18 am
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
I hadn't thought about this, but this is quite true.
What do people think about increasing the price per share to 1.2 NXT after the 15% additional shares are sent out?

I agree with this. The price must go up with the value of the increases. This also makes it important for dividends to be paid as assets if re-investment is requested. (I think.) Gotta do the math on that.
The price should stay constant at 1 NXT
Equilibrium will be reached to compensate for any increased value
I would not overestimate the effect this 35% boost has as all LTCgear customers will be getting it
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: jl777 on November 10, 2014, 02:50:11 am
Hi Cryptographer,
The problem with saying 1 share is equal to X amount of hashing power is that X amount of hashing power will tend to produce less income as time goes by.

The value of 1 share is the income it produces.

If the share price is always 1 NXT then the hashing power has to increase to maintain the income.

Pf's approach increases hashing power over time (whether it is enough or not is a different question). In this way pf is trying to maintain the income.

So IMHO the question is: if the share is always priced at 1NXT what should the income be on average and how is it fairly maintained?
It is fairly maintained by allocating all hashpower obtained to the asset. The risk of fluctuating hashrate is therefore shared among everybody and this is one of the purposes of this asset.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 10, 2014, 04:08:45 am
hi pf
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened? now!
why?
multiplication has happened. The total hashpower of HRLTCgear has been increased. But keep in mind so has the hashrate of all other LTCgear customers

James
He's talking about the asset distribution.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 10, 2014, 04:25:07 am
hi pf
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened? now!
why?
multiplication has happened. The total hashpower of HRLTCgear has been increased. But keep in mind so has the hashrate of all other LTCgear customers

James
He's talking about the asset distribution.
There is still going to be an asset distribution, right?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 10, 2014, 04:36:23 am
To whomever just sold me nearly 20k HRLTCGEAR at below 1 NXT, thanks!
Benefiting from scaring away your own investors. Great.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 10, 2014, 07:16:51 am
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
I hadn't thought about this, but this is quite true.
What do people think about increasing the price per share to 1.2 NXT after the 15% additional shares are sent out?

what about whatnot comment above?  Asset holders wouldn't want this to come at the cost of profitability
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 10, 2014, 07:21:18 am
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)

I would ideally like to see a company this size incorporate and hire a PR.

The more regulation and lawyers involved the more you will find such crypto-based businesses seem to disappear.  Keep it simple.  Let it be a one man show with pf, lean and mean, more profit for all.

We seriously do not want to start emulating the status quo, which crypto is supposed to revolutionise.  This is a new paradigm. you need to check your conventional bag-o-solutions at the door.

No, you're wrong on this one. The rules of business have nothing to do with big government and fiat excess. If you don't incorporate a company and play by the rules when you get bigger, that in and of itself will cause you to disappear.

The point is to operate anonymously and only in crypto.  I don't see any USD flowing around.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: printshop on November 10, 2014, 08:00:18 am
Thanks for answering my question. I agree that a simple post saying, hey, will be back soon, would be nice. :)

I would ideally like to see a company this size incorporate and hire a PR.

The more regulation and lawyers involved the more you will find such crypto-based businesses seem to disappear.  Keep it simple.  Let it be a one man show with pf, lean and mean, more profit for all.

We seriously do not want to start emulating the status quo, which crypto is supposed to revolutionise.  This is a new paradigm. you need to check your conventional bag-o-solutions at the door.

No, you're wrong on this one. The rules of business have nothing to do with big government and fiat excess. If you don't incorporate a company and play by the rules when you get bigger, that in and of itself will cause you to disappear.

The point is to operate anonymously and only in crypto.  I don't see any USD flowing around.

I didn't say anything about USD or USA tho, so I'm guessing you have misread me :) This makes for an interesting discussion but I think this thread is not the place to have it.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 10, 2014, 08:25:32 am
jl777, I agree half with you about asset purpouse (although I'm sure this idea isn't shared by all investors), but this option about don't do anything isn't good for initial investors, although each share represents more hasrate, this will be diluted between new investors, I mean, new investors are getting cheaper hashrate than if they buy directly to ltcgear (what would be more "fair" for initial investors withouth need to increass the shares or increass the price, would be take some kind of snapshot of assets before the multiplication and let them freezed, spliting that hashrate always between that shares, I mean, the 13ghash after multiplication will be always for that X shares, although this will be very difficult if some them sell their assets "would need colored assets haha") OR make a new asset each multiplication...
So, in my opinion, the best option is to increass the shares 35% to initial investors and newcomers pay at current price.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: jl777 on November 10, 2014, 08:37:35 am
jl777, I agree half with you about asset purpouse (although I'm sure this idea isn't shared by all investors), but this option about don't do anything isn't good for initial investors, although each share represents more hasrate, this will be diluted between new investors, I mean, new investors are getting cheaper hashrate than if they buy directly to ltcgear (what would be more "fair" for initial investors withouth need to increass the shares or increass the price, would be take some kind of snapshot of assets before the multiplication and let them freezed, spliting that hashrate always between that shares, I mean, the 13ghash after multiplication will be always for that X shares, although this will be very difficult if some them sell their assets "would need colored assets haha") OR make a new asset each multiplication...
So, in my opinion, the best option is to increass the shares 35% to initial investors and newcomers pay at current price.
It is confusing to me how people think that if the asset gains 35% hashrate that somehow they are not benefiting. I think you are not counting the fact that new purchasers will be increasing the overall hashrate.

For example, existing assetholders could sell all their assets and then repurchase. If the new purchasers are getting some advantage, then doing this would be of benefit, but clearly there is no change of anything if you do this.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: weekendwarrior on November 10, 2014, 01:21:41 pm
its hilarious to watch a group of people debate a ponzi scheme like its real  ;D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: m30188 on November 10, 2014, 01:41:38 pm
Are we still getting extra shares or not?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 10, 2014, 02:38:17 pm
its hilarious to watch a group of people debate a ponzi scheme like its real  ;D

Nice try Newbie

Unlike you, pf has a proven reputation.  He has also made his asset holders a lot of money.  Sorry you are missing out, but you won't get any cheap HRLTCGEAR by spreading FUD.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: garp on November 10, 2014, 02:59:12 pm
To whomever just sold me nearly 20k HRLTCGEAR at below 1 NXT, thanks!
pf, why don't you buy back the others that are also offrered below 1 Nxt? Perhaps 0,99 is not low enough.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 10, 2014, 03:08:41 pm
To elaborate -

Currently there are approx. 2,600,000 shares issued, and approx 10 GH/s of hashpower.

Which means currently each share is 0.00385 MH/s or 3.85 kh/s of mining power.  After the multiplication of 35% and asset dividend payment of 15%, we will now have-

2,990,000 shares, and 13.5 GH/s of hashpower.

This will make each share worth 0.00452 MH/s or 4.52 kh/s after the multiplication, an increase of 17.3%. 

If shares continue to be sold at 1 NXT each, early shareholders will be getting a bad deal since new investors are paying less per KH/s, and as many new shares are sold, their shares will be worth less in terms of hashpower.  Either increasing the share price or issuing more dividends is the only correct way to handle this situation.
I hadn't thought about this, but this is quite true.
What do people think about increasing the price per share to 1.2 NXT after the 15% additional shares are sent out?

Yeah, nothing wrong with this.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 10, 2014, 03:21:37 pm
jl777, I agree half with you about asset purpouse (although I'm sure this idea isn't shared by all investors), but this option about don't do anything isn't good for initial investors, although each share represents more hasrate, this will be diluted between new investors, I mean, new investors are getting cheaper hashrate than if they buy directly to ltcgear (what would be more "fair" for initial investors withouth need to increass the shares or increass the price, would be take some kind of snapshot of assets before the multiplication and let them freezed, spliting that hashrate always between that shares, I mean, the 13ghash after multiplication will be always for that X shares, although this will be very difficult if some them sell their assets "would need colored assets haha") OR make a new asset each multiplication...
So, in my opinion, the best option is to increass the shares 35% to initial investors and newcomers pay at current price.
It is confusing to me how people think that if the asset gains 35% hashrate that somehow they are not benefiting. I think you are not counting the fact that new purchasers will be increasing the overall hashrate.

For example, existing assetholders could sell all their assets and then repurchase. If the new purchasers are getting some advantage, then doing this would be of benefit, but clearly there is no change of anything if you do this.

James

Yes and no, new hashrate is coming, yes, but cheaper than previous hashrate for newcomers, of course is better come here now than buy to ltcgear, but doesn't make any sense sell here now to buy here again of course, but if I had put the same money directly in ltcgear, I now could sell my litecoin gear shares for * 1.35 of the initial investment, then come here, and buy that shares at the same price as in ltcgear but each share now worth me more than in litecoingear.
Am I missing something? The problem is that if new people come here now, they are getting more than if they buy directly after the multiplication, I mean, they avoided the risk of invest early and still become rewarded

Checking with some not accurate numbers:
Suppose:
Case no extra assets given to initial investors:
Before multiplication: 8205Mhash/2000000shares=0.0041mhas/share
After multiplication: 11076.75Mhash/2000000sahres= 0.00538mhash/share
Now one investor buy 160000shares-> (11076.75+656"bought with the 160knxt")mhash/2160000shares=0.00543mhash/nxt
Initial investor with 200000shares now worth 200000*0.00655=1086.26mhash

Case initial investors have received 35% extra shares:
(11076.75+656)mhash/(2000000*1.35+160000)shares=0.00431mhash/share
Now initial investor have 270k shares"200000*1.35"->270000*0.00495=1166.36mhash


What am I missing?  ???

its hilarious to watch a group of people debate a ponzi scheme like its real  ;D
The asset isn't a ponzi, the issue about if ltcgear is a ponzi is another matter... we aren't discussing that here
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 10, 2014, 03:33:10 pm
hi pf
It looks like the multiplication still hasn't happened? now!
why?
multiplication has happened. The total hashpower of HRLTCgear has been increased. But keep in mind so has the hashrate of all other LTCgear customers

James

Actually, multiplication has not happened yet, at least on my account.  Wouldn't worry about it - it will happen eventually, but just don't hold your breath :-p  Check back in a few days lol.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: krojex on November 10, 2014, 03:51:34 pm
hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: weekendwarrior on November 10, 2014, 04:15:39 pm

The asset isn't a ponzi, the issue about if ltcgear is a ponzi is another matter... we aren't discussing that here

an asset that buys shares in a ponzi is a ponzi by default. ltcgear is definitely a ponzi and it will all come out in the wash soon enuff. 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 04:22:34 pm
Somebody must be sad he didn't get enough packs prior to multiplication.

In other news:
3252 share(s) gained from referrals (Oct 30 - Nov 5) qASICs 3252
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 10, 2014, 04:42:01 pm
In other news:
3252 share(s) gained from referrals (Oct 30 - Nov 5) qASICs 3252

Good, but what does this equate to in MH as a percentage of existing MH?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 10, 2014, 04:59:12 pm
hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.

I don't mind too much the earnings difference, but if want things well done, requieres work, if someone starts an asset and have earnings from manage it is obvious he have to work on it and have some headaches thinking about "at least is what I would do, and seems pf think in ways to improve the asset, don't get me wrong"
I bought into this asset instead directly into ltcgear for comodity and help nxt price go up with some more buy pressure, but that doesn't mean I don't want to benefit of the multiplication, call me greedy if you want, but if I pay for something I want to receive that something... When i buy 1kg apples, I want 1kg, no 800g and not be greedy.

And about the payout day, I suppose all of us agree and understand that can be difficult to get that nxt, only want to know he is here and buying that nxt, silecnce isn't confortable for weak hand or profesional hodlers :P
Is the second time I invest in something which looks a bit like a ponzi, so I'm scared hehe "first time didn't went well  :'( " so undertand that I want to understand the situation all the possible


The asset isn't a ponzi, the issue about if ltcgear is a ponzi is another matter... we aren't discussing that here

an asset that buys shares in a ponzi is a ponzi by default. ltcgear is definitely a ponzi and it will all come out in the wash soon enuff. 
Ponzi is how the scheme works, the scheme of this asset and the disscussion we are having is specially to avoid the more little analogy with a ponzi and everyone have the same opportunity obeying ltcgear rules. And if you have any evidence about ltcgear is a ponzi show it to us please, the feeling about is a ponzi is easy to have, I also have it haha
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: krojex on November 10, 2014, 05:22:58 pm

And about the payout day, I suppose all of us agree and understand that can be difficult to get that nxt, only want to know he is here and buying that nxt, silecnce isn't confortable for weak hand or profesional hodlers :P

agree totally, but pf has a reputation here before this asset so you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. being a bad communicator is not the same as running a scam, yet you would think they are, based on what was said in this thread.

also, look who said what and how often. the silence was the same for everyone, but only a few freaked out. they are the ones with gambling problems and need to diversify their portfolios to balance risk. and i'm not just talking about buying different assets on the AE. never risk what you can't afford to lose.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 10, 2014, 06:33:06 pm

And about the payout day, I suppose all of us agree and understand that can be difficult to get that nxt, only want to know he is here and buying that nxt, silecnce isn't confortable for weak hand or profesional hodlers :P

agree totally, but pf has a reputation here before this asset so you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. being a bad communicator is not the same as running a scam, yet you would think they are, based on what was said in this thread.

also, look who said what and how often. the silence was the same for everyone, but only a few freaked out. they are the ones with gambling problems and need to diversify their portfolios to balance risk. and i'm not just talking about buying different assets on the AE. never risk what you can't afford to lose.

I give him the benefit, "only thought he could have an incident in real live while he was coming back from the dinner at parents home  :-X " I talked him some times and seems legit, but who knows... I dislike when he doesn't reply me in long time and see him posting in another threads about not very important things... I know he should be busy, but give answers to his investors would be a good habit, I see communication isn't his strenght "yet" :P

And of course I only invest what I can, every cent I invest in internet comes in origin from my gtx580 and i7 980x in 2011, so not much to lost, anyways hurts a bit if I see 1k usd vanishing in seconds...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 06:34:45 pm
In my defense, nowhere in the OP did it clearly state that payouts would be sent immediately on fridays.  I have clarified things with the 2nd post in the thread (payouts will be before Saturday night (the day following LTCgear payouts) and right before HRNXTPOOL pays out.
HRNXTPOOL has usually paid out on either saturday or sundays previously, so I did not think this was going to be as big of a deal as it was.

Also, in my defense, the combination of HRNXTPOOL, HRLTCGEAR and Hashrate.org have paid out a combined total of over 2.6 million NXT so far.  (HRNXTPOOL and HRLTCGEAR are both over 800k and Hashrate.org is at like 1.05 million)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 10, 2014, 08:50:55 pm
In my defense, nowhere in the OP did it clearly state that payouts would be sent immediately on fridays.  I have clarified things with the 2nd post in the thread (payouts will be before Saturday night (the day following LTCgear payouts) and right before HRNXTPOOL pays out.
HRNXTPOOL has usually paid out on either saturday or sundays previously, so I did not think this was going to be as big of a deal as it was.

Also, in my defense, the combination of HRNXTPOOL, HRLTCGEAR and Hashrate.org have paid out a combined total of over 2.6 million NXT so far.  (HRNXTPOOL and HRLTCGEAR are both over 800k and Hashrate.org is at like 1.05 million)
You don't need to defend yourself, you're doing nice, we only want you to be a bit more comunicative :) , you are manageing many money, put ypurself in the situation of the investor, you would want to know what is going on with your money, wouldn't you?
It's fine if you pay monday or wednesday, but keep us informed, by the way I already asked to put in the OP a screenshot of current asic shares.

Do you decided finally what to do with the multiplication?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 08:54:12 pm
(http://i59.tinypic.com/cm2c2.jpg)

And indeed, as I had already announced plans to issue the 15% bonus shares according to the snapshot that I posted a page back that will still happen.

The share price will stay at 1 NXT for the future however.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Wongi on November 10, 2014, 08:57:41 pm
I have full trust in pf. Imho HRLTCGEAR is by far the the best mining asset on NXT AE.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Pilot on November 10, 2014, 09:07:51 pm
I assume the theory of keeping the asset at 1 NXT per is that the return on 1 share will always be a stable X% because the increase in hashing power is designed to keep the same rate of return.

If that is the case, then the value of the asset is based on it's return and not how much hashing power it equates to. So, if 10,000 shares pay 1500 NXT per week today, and also one year from now, then new investor are getting the same value per share as early investors.

One thing I am curious about is the cutoff for payouts. If someone buys X shares hours before payout, do they get a payout for that week? If so, perhaps they either shouldn't or it should be prorated.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Pilot on November 10, 2014, 09:10:34 pm
Yes and no, new hashrate is coming, yes, but cheaper than previous hashrate for newcomers, of course is better come here now than buy to ltcgear, but doesn't make any sense sell here now to buy here again of course, but if I had put the same money directly in ltcgear, I now could sell my litecoin gear shares for * 1.35 of the initial investment, then come here, and buy that shares at the same price as in ltcgear but each share now worth me more than in litecoingear.
Am I missing something? The problem is that if new people come here now, they are getting more than if they buy directly after the multiplication, I mean, they avoided the risk of invest early and still become rewarded

You are getting an increase in shares right? You either get more shares or the original issue price of the asset goes up. Isn't the math the same either way?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: Pilot on November 10, 2014, 09:11:40 pm
hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.

isn't BUYing good for NXT?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: krojex on November 10, 2014, 09:20:07 pm
hashrate and price diverge on all mining hardware. why would this be an exception? stop being greedy.

the biggest difference between initial investors and new ones is that the initial investors are 50%+ closer to breakeven already.

the real issue in the last few pages of this thread is the swap into NXT on payout day. someone with big holdings should step up and facilitate that so pf doesn't give these paranoid weak hands a cardiac.

isn't BUYing good for NXT?

yes, absolutely - IF it is sustained buying. but that's not what we have here. pf has to crash into the market to convert all at once to meet a timetable to pay asset holders before they get jumpy.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 10, 2014, 09:28:10 pm
I assume the theory of keeping the asset at 1 NXT per is that the return on 1 share will always be a stable X% because the increase in hashing power is designed to keep the same rate of return.

If that is the case, then the value of the asset is based on it's return and not how much hashing power it equates to. So, if 10,000 shares pay 1500 NXT per week today, and also one year from now, then new investor are getting the same value per share as early investors.

One thing I am curious about is the cutoff for payouts. If someone buys X shares hours before payout, do they get a payout for that week? If so, perhaps they either shouldn't or it should be prorated.
Based on the way that LTCGear works, as long as you buy the shares prior to the payout day you get paid out for the whole week.
In past weeks, this hasn't been as much of a problem (there have been minimal investors investing the day of payouts).
This poses a problem is somebody say, invests 200,000 NXT last minute and I don't have time to convert it to LTCgear shares in time.
This is why the payouts use the block height from the day prior to the payout fridays.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: ifeng on November 11, 2014, 05:52:24 am
waiting......
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 12:26:59 am
Still waiting on LTCGear to finish multiplication.
I am going to be testing the asset distribution script with some test assets, so some of you may notice that you will shortly become holders of pfststast.
The multiplication shares that will be sent out will be as follows (as per my post a few pages back).

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NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2 62500
NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B 33000
NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN 30000
NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57 19082
NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW 18540
NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9 17145
NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC 15000
NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT 12903
NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD 9750
NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX 8895
NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ 8289
NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9 7801
NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN 7500
NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP 7500
NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE 6000
NXT-VLMC-UFDD-DSJ2-EH8VS 5702
NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C 5528
NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL 5400
NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86 5100
NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ 4890
NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M 4500
NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM 4083
NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7 3900
NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F 3750
NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L 3600
NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5 3000
NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT 3000
NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T 3000
NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4 3000
NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W 3000
NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA 3000
NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX 2700
NXT-2VD5-3VPM-KYES-6A5BT 2250
NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ 1875
NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27 1799
NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93 1575
NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH 1505
NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG 1500
NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY 1500
NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U 1500
NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY 1500
NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25 1493
NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM 1482
NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS 1269
NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8 1205
NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3 1200
NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB 1097
NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3 1005
NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M 990
NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL 936
NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH 921
NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH 921
NXT-4HFF-7TTU-YTVL-AVMWV 855
NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM 840
NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K 825
NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM 790
NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA 766
NXT-PFBN-NBW2-E3B7-G3MHM 750
NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX 750
NXT-DHL3-UJKW-JJAG-6R9BJ 713
NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX 594
NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV 548
NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7 525
NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW 525
NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T 491
NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33 465
NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K 450
NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF 450
NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT 450
NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS 450
NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4 450
NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V 443
NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT 420
NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6 390
NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV 376
NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3 375
NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9 375
NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD 334
NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN 300
NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M 300
NXT-TU23-XMYB-722V-5LWVC 300
NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22 300
NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ 280
NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778 245
NXT-ZR6Q-2DBZ-JTZP-5Q6ZK 225
NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS 211
NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB 200
NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU 197
NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2 194
NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77 166
NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU 165
NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73 150
NXT-BT7K-KX8C-784T-EZ3WG 150
NXT-8FG7-5GYY-WN87-FMQFQ 150
NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW 150
NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84 141
NXT-ATPB-JE97-MVFB-E9WWD 135
NXT-S96S-MDZY-UKG8-2ACBP 120
NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7 113
NXT-6BLV-3QZM-HMMQ-6Y5LZ 105
NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM 105
NXT-NH53-QEG6-NG4U-6D9DZ 104
NXT-QCXP-YL3N-3SYS-EZX5T 102
NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX 83
NXT-SZUB-FHZP-JTFL-7YEET 75
NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL 72
NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK 69
NXT-76CF-3FFB-9RKM-EBFUT 59
NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF 38
NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF 32
NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM 32
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NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY 23
NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD 23
NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5 15
NXT-44HE-6Z3Y-N2ZL-E9ZPW 15
NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS 13
NXT-2XLN-29YB-7SLH-49TTY 6
NXT-J9V5-D2TQ-XTRW-F6VT2 3
NXT-2EED-8L9A-89U7-9NNJ7 3
NXT-MAX4-6ZDE-3QVX-CDMY9 2
NXT-TW9P-CA3V-YUAQ-HSXMG 1
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 12:53:38 am
I've got the asset distribution script all worked out nicely, just waiting on LTCgear now.
They just updated recently pushing the estimated time for multiplication to be completed back by another 3-4 hours (they did the same thing last time multiplication occurred, so no cause for alarm)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 01:47:49 am
Quote
The 6th multiplication is done. Based on Litecoin network difficulty variation over last one and a half month (from 33k to 41.5k) and available resources, multiplier factor was set to 1.25.
Due to the multiplication not being the 35%, I will be adjusting the asset distribution to only send out a bonus 10% assets to the accounts I had previously quoted (as opposed to 15%).
The multiplication is intended to mitigate difficulty increases, not boost profitability, so the only reason that I am even sending out these 10% "multiplication assets" is because I previously agreed to.  Future multiplications will solely boost the weekly ROI of the asset.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 12, 2014, 01:56:39 am
Quote
The 6th multiplication is done. Based on Litecoin network difficulty variation over last one and a half month (from 33k to 41.5k) and available resources, multiplier factor was set to 1.25.
Due to the multiplication not being the 35%, I will be adjusting the asset distribution to only send out a bonus 10% assets to the accounts I had previously quoted (as opposed to 15%).
The multiplication is intended to mitigate difficulty increases, not boost profitability, so the only reason that I am even sending out these 10% "multiplication assets" is because I previously agreed to.  Future multiplications will solely boost the weekly ROI of the asset.
this seems fair to me.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 02:11:28 am
Sorry guys, I won't be able to post the TXN numbers (at least not for a bit - it will require a fair bit of cleanup)
But I am about to execute the asset distribution script.  Please post in this thread and let me know once you have recieved your multiplication assets.
And in other news, future weeks auto reinvestments should be super simple to do now that I've got a python method of asset distribution sorted out. :)

BTW, the multiplication assets will be coming from a throwaway account.  (The password for the asset issuer is ridiculously complex and has a ton of special characters so this was by far the easiest way to do this)  The throwaway account is NXT-FZ7Z-CZG7-MRSY-99NQY, aliased "HRLTCGEAR Multiplication Distribution Account"
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 02:19:06 am
And they are sent!  LTCGear's is also in stock currently, and I suspect future weeks will maintain a ROI of ~13+% (as the weekly ROI should still go up around 15% even after the 10% asset distribution)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: peggy2jj on November 12, 2014, 02:25:50 am
yes, I received. Thanks
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: peterpanda on November 12, 2014, 02:28:08 am
received, thank you  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: rlh on November 12, 2014, 02:34:30 am
Received.  Thx.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: ifeng on November 12, 2014, 02:38:13 am
received, thank you.
but only 10%?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, 9+ GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 02:38:51 am
Quote
The 6th multiplication is done. Based on Litecoin network difficulty variation over last one and a half month (from 33k to 41.5k) and available resources, multiplier factor was set to 1.25.
Due to the multiplication not being the 35%, I will be adjusting the asset distribution to only send out a bonus 10% assets to the accounts I had previously quoted (as opposed to 15%).
The multiplication is intended to mitigate difficulty increases, not boost profitability, so the only reason that I am even sending out these 10% "multiplication assets" is because I previously agreed to.  Future multiplications will solely boost the weekly ROI of the asset.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 02:42:29 am
I am getting off the PC for a couple of hours. All of the multiplication shares have been sent out and should have been recieved by the recipients.
I will respond to any inquiries either later tonight or in the morning.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 12, 2014, 02:46:08 am
I am getting off the PC for a couple of hours. All of the multiplication shares have been sent out and should have been recieved by the recipients.
I will respond to any inquiries either later tonight or in the morning.
goodnight! thanks for the shares!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: dolux on November 12, 2014, 02:47:51 am
Multiplication assets received, thank you.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 12, 2014, 03:10:21 am
Sorry guys, I won't be able to post the TXN numbers (at least not for a bit - it will require a fair bit of cleanup)
But I am about to execute the asset distribution script.  Please post in this thread and let me know once you have recieved your multiplication assets.
And in other news, future weeks auto reinvestments should be super simple to do now that I've got a python method of asset distribution sorted out. :)

BTW, the multiplication assets will be coming from a throwaway account.  (The password for the asset issuer is ridiculously complex and has a ton of special characters so this was by far the easiest way to do this)  The throwaway account is NXT-FZ7Z-CZG7-MRSY-99NQY, aliased "HRLTCGEAR Multiplication Distribution Account"

There's a cool program called LastPass which you can use to generate up to 100 character long random passwords which are stored in an encrypted file - it is completely secure and the top recommendation of PCmag.com and others - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp). I use it for everything. You can enable 2FA on it which makes it bulletproof.

Also, you can issue asset dividends through the dividends+ module - just enter the asset ID  in the ASSET PAID OUT field and it will pay in assets instead of in NXT.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: printshop on November 12, 2014, 05:25:42 am
Sorry guys, I won't be able to post the TXN numbers (at least not for a bit - it will require a fair bit of cleanup)
But I am about to execute the asset distribution script.  Please post in this thread and let me know once you have recieved your multiplication assets.
And in other news, future weeks auto reinvestments should be super simple to do now that I've got a python method of asset distribution sorted out. :)

BTW, the multiplication assets will be coming from a throwaway account.  (The password for the asset issuer is ridiculously complex and has a ton of special characters so this was by far the easiest way to do this)  The throwaway account is NXT-FZ7Z-CZG7-MRSY-99NQY, aliased "HRLTCGEAR Multiplication Distribution Account"

There's a cool program called LastPass which you can use to generate up to 100 character long random passwords which are stored in an encrypted file - it is completely secure and the top recommendation of PCmag.com and others - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp). I use it for everything. You can enable 2FA on it which makes it bulletproof.

Also, you can issue asset dividends through the dividends+ module - just enter the asset ID  in the ASSET PAID OUT field and it will pay in assets instead of in NXT.

I bought LastPass Pro two or three years ago on a lark because a free month came with my YubiKey.

My YubiKey and my LastPass Pro subscription are some of the highest value purchases I have ever made in my life...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 06:14:07 am
I use KeePass personally, my issue was that this password included lots of characters that python didn't like, such as * ? and forward/backward slashes.

I also am developing a python equivilent of the dividend+ module to allow people to optionally reinvest a particular percentage (and to allow them to modify that percentage via encrypted AM to the asset issuer)

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Ylluks on November 12, 2014, 07:25:40 am
assets received

With keespass you can choose if you want to have symbols in a generated password or not.
Just use the password generator option instead of the default
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 12, 2014, 07:41:45 am
Sorry guys, I won't be able to post the TXN numbers (at least not for a bit - it will require a fair bit of cleanup)
But I am about to execute the asset distribution script.  Please post in this thread and let me know once you have recieved your multiplication assets.
And in other news, future weeks auto reinvestments should be super simple to do now that I've got a python method of asset distribution sorted out. :)

BTW, the multiplication assets will be coming from a throwaway account.  (The password for the asset issuer is ridiculously complex and has a ton of special characters so this was by far the easiest way to do this)  The throwaway account is NXT-FZ7Z-CZG7-MRSY-99NQY, aliased "HRLTCGEAR Multiplication Distribution Account"

There's a cool program called LastPass which you can use to generate up to 100 character long random passwords which are stored in an encrypted file - it is completely secure and the top recommendation of PCmag.com and others - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp). I use it for everything. You can enable 2FA on it which makes it bulletproof.

Also, you can issue asset dividends through the dividends+ module - just enter the asset ID  in the ASSET PAID OUT field and it will pay in assets instead of in NXT.

Nothing is completely secure.

LastPass is not safe.  So many trivial vulnerabilities have already been reported and more continue to be announced.  A cloud based password safe, though convenient, is more vulnerable and more of a target, a gigantic pot of honey.  Don't be foolish and don't keep your passwords there.

You should use a private password safe such as Schneier's Password Safe or KeePass.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: duluth on November 12, 2014, 08:09:20 am
Multiplication assets received, thank you!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, ~8GH
Post by: ASNXT on November 12, 2014, 08:44:20 am
Hi all,

"Multiplication Shares" will be sent out after this week's payout.

The multiplication shares will be distributed as per for the following.
The data is in the format Account: <NXT ACCT> Original Shares: <Pre-Multiplication Shares> NewShares: <Post-Multiplication Shares>.  Decimals will be rounded up from .50 up and down for anything .49 and below.


Code: [Select]
Account: NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2 Original Shares: 416666 NewShares: 479165.90
Account: NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B Original Shares: 220000 NewShares: 253000.00
Account: NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN Original Shares: 200000 NewShares: 230000.00
Account: NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57 Original Shares: 127213 NewShares: 146294.95
Account: NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW Original Shares: 123600 NewShares: 142140.00
Account: NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9 Original Shares: 114300 NewShares: 131445.00
Account: NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC Original Shares: 100000 NewShares: 115000.00
Account: NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT Original Shares: 86021 NewShares: 98924.15
Account: NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD Original Shares: 65000 NewShares: 74750.00
Account: NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX Original Shares: 59298 NewShares: 68192.70
Account: NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ Original Shares: 55263 NewShares: 63552.45
Account: NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9 Original Shares: 52004 NewShares: 59804.60
Account: NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN Original Shares: 50000 NewShares: 57500.00
Account: NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP Original Shares: 50000 NewShares: 57500.00
Account: NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE Original Shares: 40000 NewShares: 46000.00
Account: NXT-VLMC-UFDD-DSJ2-EH8VS Original Shares: 38014 NewShares: 43716.10
Account: NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C Original Shares: 36850 NewShares: 42377.50
Account: NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL Original Shares: 36000 NewShares: 41400.00
Account: NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86 Original Shares: 34000 NewShares: 39100.00
Account: NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ Original Shares: 32599 NewShares: 37488.85
Account: NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M Original Shares: 30000 NewShares: 34500.00
Account: NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM Original Shares: 27220 NewShares: 31303.00
Account: NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7 Original Shares: 26000 NewShares: 29900.00
Account: NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F Original Shares: 25000 NewShares: 28750.00
Account: NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L Original Shares: 24000 NewShares: 27600.00
Account: NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5 Original Shares: 20000 NewShares: 23000.00
Account: NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT Original Shares: 20000 NewShares: 23000.00
Account: NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T Original Shares: 20000 NewShares: 23000.00
Account: NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4 Original Shares: 20000 NewShares: 23000.00
Account: NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W Original Shares: 20000 NewShares: 23000.00
Account: NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA Original Shares: 20000 NewShares: 23000.00
Account: NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX Original Shares: 18000 NewShares: 20700.00
Account: NXT-2VD5-3VPM-KYES-6A5BT Original Shares: 15000 NewShares: 17250.00
Account: NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ Original Shares: 12500 NewShares: 14375.00
Account: NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27 Original Shares: 11990 NewShares: 13788.50
Account: NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93 Original Shares: 10500 NewShares: 12075.00
Account: NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH Original Shares: 10032 NewShares: 11536.80
Account: NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG Original Shares: 10000 NewShares: 11500.00
Account: NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY Original Shares: 10000 NewShares: 11500.00
Account: NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U Original Shares: 10000 NewShares: 11500.00
Account: NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY Original Shares: 10000 NewShares: 11500.00
Account: NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25 Original Shares: 9950 NewShares: 11442.50
Account: NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM Original Shares: 9880 NewShares: 11362.00
Account: NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS Original Shares: 8460 NewShares: 9729.00
Account: NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8 Original Shares: 8033 NewShares: 9237.95
Account: NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3 Original Shares: 8000 NewShares: 9200.00
Account: NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB Original Shares: 7312 NewShares: 8408.80
Account: NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3 Original Shares: 6700 NewShares: 7705.00
Account: NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M Original Shares: 6600 NewShares: 7590.00
Account: NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL Original Shares: 6240 NewShares: 7176.00
Account: NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH Original Shares: 6139 NewShares: 7059.85
Account: NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH Original Shares: 6137 NewShares: 7057.55
Account: NXT-4HFF-7TTU-YTVL-AVMWV Original Shares: 5700 NewShares: 6555.00
Account: NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM Original Shares: 5600 NewShares: 6440.00
Account: NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K Original Shares: 5500 NewShares: 6325.00
Account: NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM Original Shares: 5265 NewShares: 6054.75
Account: NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA Original Shares: 5109 NewShares: 5875.35
Account: NXT-PFBN-NBW2-E3B7-G3MHM Original Shares: 5000 NewShares: 5750.00
Account: NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX Original Shares: 5000 NewShares: 5750.00
Account: NXT-DHL3-UJKW-JJAG-6R9BJ Original Shares: 4750 NewShares: 5462.50
Account: NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX Original Shares: 3957 NewShares: 4550.55
Account: NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV Original Shares: 3650 NewShares: 4197.50
Account: NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7 Original Shares: 3500 NewShares: 4025.00
Account: NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW Original Shares: 3500 NewShares: 4025.00
Account: NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T Original Shares: 3271 NewShares: 3761.65
Account: NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33 Original Shares: 3100 NewShares: 3565.00
Account: NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K Original Shares: 3000 NewShares: 3450.00
Account: NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF Original Shares: 3000 NewShares: 3450.00
Account: NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT Original Shares: 3000 NewShares: 3450.00
Account: NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS Original Shares: 3000 NewShares: 3450.00
Account: NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4 Original Shares: 3000 NewShares: 3450.00
Account: NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V Original Shares: 2950 NewShares: 3392.50
Account: NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT Original Shares: 2800 NewShares: 3220.00
Account: NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6 Original Shares: 2600 NewShares: 2990.00
Account: NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV Original Shares: 2508 NewShares: 2884.20
Account: NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3 Original Shares: 2501 NewShares: 2876.15
Account: NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9 Original Shares: 2500 NewShares: 2875.00
Account: NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD Original Shares: 2229 NewShares: 2563.35
Account: NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN Original Shares: 2000 NewShares: 2300.00
Account: NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M Original Shares: 2000 NewShares: 2300.00
Account: NXT-TU23-XMYB-722V-5LWVC Original Shares: 2000 NewShares: 2300.00
Account: NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22 Original Shares: 2000 NewShares: 2300.00
Account: NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ Original Shares: 1865 NewShares: 2144.75
Account: NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778 Original Shares: 1631 NewShares: 1875.65
Account: NXT-ZR6Q-2DBZ-JTZP-5Q6ZK Original Shares: 1500 NewShares: 1725.00
Account: NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS Original Shares: 1408 NewShares: 1619.20
Account: NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB Original Shares: 1333 NewShares: 1532.95
Account: NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU Original Shares: 1310 NewShares: 1506.50
Account: NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2 Original Shares: 1292 NewShares: 1485.80
Account: NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77 Original Shares: 1109 NewShares: 1275.35
Account: NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU Original Shares: 1100 NewShares: 1265.00
Account: NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73 Original Shares: 1000 NewShares: 1150.00
Account: NXT-BT7K-KX8C-784T-EZ3WG Original Shares: 1000 NewShares: 1150.00
Account: NXT-8FG7-5GYY-WN87-FMQFQ Original Shares: 1000 NewShares: 1150.00
Account: NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW Original Shares: 1000 NewShares: 1150.00
Account: NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84 Original Shares: 940 NewShares: 1081.00
Account: NXT-ATPB-JE97-MVFB-E9WWD Original Shares: 900 NewShares: 1035.00
Account: NXT-S96S-MDZY-UKG8-2ACBP Original Shares: 800 NewShares: 920.00
Account: NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7 Original Shares: 750 NewShares: 862.50
Account: NXT-6BLV-3QZM-HMMQ-6Y5LZ Original Shares: 700 NewShares: 805.00
Account: NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM Original Shares: 699 NewShares: 803.85
Account: NXT-NH53-QEG6-NG4U-6D9DZ Original Shares: 695 NewShares: 799.25
Account: NXT-QCXP-YL3N-3SYS-EZX5T Original Shares: 683 NewShares: 785.45
Account: NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX Original Shares: 550 NewShares: 632.50
Account: NXT-SZUB-FHZP-JTFL-7YEET Original Shares: 499 NewShares: 573.85
Account: NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL Original Shares: 480 NewShares: 552.00
Account: NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK Original Shares: 460 NewShares: 529.00
Account: NXT-76CF-3FFB-9RKM-EBFUT Original Shares: 392 NewShares: 450.80
Account: NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF Original Shares: 250 NewShares: 287.50
Account: NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF Original Shares: 216 NewShares: 248.40
Account: NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM Original Shares: 213 NewShares: 244.95
Account: NXT-S75C-K4F3-8QDM-9T6V8 Original Shares: 180 NewShares: 207.00
Account: NXT-B7ZF-X7GW-AUWE-863Z9 Original Shares: 173 NewShares: 198.95
Account: NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY Original Shares: 150 NewShares: 172.50
Account: NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD Original Shares: 150 NewShares: 172.50
Account: NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5 Original Shares: 100 NewShares: 115.00
Account: NXT-44HE-6Z3Y-N2ZL-E9ZPW Original Shares: 100 NewShares: 115.00
Account: NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS Original Shares: 85 NewShares: 97.75
Account: NXT-2XLN-29YB-7SLH-49TTY Original Shares: 42 NewShares: 48.30
Account: NXT-J9V5-D2TQ-XTRW-F6VT2 Original Shares: 22 NewShares: 25.30
Account: NXT-2EED-8L9A-89U7-9NNJ7 Original Shares: 20 NewShares: 23.00
Account: NXT-MAX4-6ZDE-3QVX-CDMY9 Original Shares: 10 NewShares: 11.50
Account: NXT-TW9P-CA3V-YUAQ-HSXMG Original Shares: 7 NewShares: 8.05
Account: NXT-ACJB-46Q5-2Y86-6A8XE Original Shares: 2 NewShares: 2.30
Account: NXT-63UG-63M4-RKTE-B3PX9 Original Shares: 1 NewShares: 1.15

@pf

Account: NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT Original Shares: 86021 NewShares: 98924.15 NewShares: 94623 Transaction ID: 3052835183208066655

pftstasset   129 assets received
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, &gt;894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: rubenbc on November 12, 2014, 09:23:50 am
10% received. thanks bro
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 42% return so far, >564k dividends, ~8GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 12, 2014, 02:03:50 pm
Multiplied assets received, thanks! ;)

I also am developing a python equivilent of the dividend+ module to allow people to optionally reinvest a particular percentage (and to allow them to modify that percentage via encrypted AM to the asset issuer)

While it's being developed, are you going to process reinvestment requests manually according to AM already sent? Or will we have to send it again when the module is ready?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 12, 2014, 03:41:46 pm
Sorry guys, I won't be able to post the TXN numbers (at least not for a bit - it will require a fair bit of cleanup)
But I am about to execute the asset distribution script.  Please post in this thread and let me know once you have recieved your multiplication assets.
And in other news, future weeks auto reinvestments should be super simple to do now that I've got a python method of asset distribution sorted out. :)

BTW, the multiplication assets will be coming from a throwaway account.  (The password for the asset issuer is ridiculously complex and has a ton of special characters so this was by far the easiest way to do this)  The throwaway account is NXT-FZ7Z-CZG7-MRSY-99NQY, aliased "HRLTCGEAR Multiplication Distribution Account"

There's a cool program called LastPass which you can use to generate up to 100 character long random passwords which are stored in an encrypted file - it is completely secure and the top recommendation of PCmag.com and others - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407168,00.asp). I use it for everything. You can enable 2FA on it which makes it bulletproof.

Also, you can issue asset dividends through the dividends+ module - just enter the asset ID  in the ASSET PAID OUT field and it will pay in assets instead of in NXT.

Nothing is completely secure.

LastPass is not safe.  So many trivial vulnerabilities have already been reported and more continue to be announced.  A cloud based password safe, though convenient, is more vulnerable and more of a target, a gigantic pot of honey.  Don't be foolish and don't keep your passwords there.

You should use a private password safe such as Schneier's Password Safe or KeePass.

That's true, Keepass is the best since it only stores on your local machine. But, it is only accessable on your local machine unless you carry around a USB with you. Passwords stored by Lastpass are encrypted, and the decryption of your actual passwords is done on your own computer. Also, if you use 2FA with Lastpass noone can access your passwords even if they do hack your master password. Many security experts give Lastpass a thumbs up.

From lifehacker.com - "At the end of the day, it's up to you to use what makes you feel safe. But remember: nothing is 100% secure. We still think LastPass is the best option around, as long as you use it correctly."
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 03:57:48 pm
Personally, I keep my KeePass database on a Google Drive protected with 2FA authentication and it has a fairly good complex password as it's master password (128 bits of entropy) that I've committed to memory. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 12, 2014, 04:00:18 pm
Personally, I keep my KeePass database on a Google Drive protected with 2FA authentication and it has a fairly good complex password as it's master password (128 bits of entropy) that I've committed to memory. :)

Don't get your head hurt!  ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 04:03:10 pm
Personally, I keep my KeePass database on a Google Drive protected with 2FA authentication and it has a fairly good complex password as it's master password (128 bits of entropy) that I've committed to memory. :)

Don't get your head hurt!  ;)
I've given a good deal of thought to this (what happens if I get hit by a bus, etc)
One possible solution that I've had would be to give Damelon the first half of my ltcgear account password, and to give jl777 the other half.  Unfortunately though I realized that LTCgear also requires 2FA (email authentication) every login.
I am still thinking of some solutions to this (2FA makes it very difficult to share credentials with anyone)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 12, 2014, 04:19:06 pm
Personally, I keep my KeePass database on a Google Drive protected with 2FA authentication and it has a fairly good complex password as it's master password (128 bits of entropy) that I've committed to memory. :)

Don't get your head hurt!  ;)
I've given a good deal of thought to this (what happens if I get hit by a bus, etc)
One possible solution that I've had would be to give Damelon the first half of my ltcgear account password, and to give jl777 the other half.  Unfortunately though I realized that LTCgear also requires 2FA (email authentication) every login.
I am still thinking of some solutions to this (2FA makes it very difficult to share credentials with anyone)
Split the 2fa key too
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 04:20:46 pm
Personally, I keep my KeePass database on a Google Drive protected with 2FA authentication and it has a fairly good complex password as it's master password (128 bits of entropy) that I've committed to memory. :)

Don't get your head hurt!  ;)
I've given a good deal of thought to this (what happens if I get hit by a bus, etc)
One possible solution that I've had would be to give Damelon the first half of my ltcgear account password, and to give jl777 the other half.  Unfortunately though I realized that LTCgear also requires 2FA (email authentication) every login.
I am still thinking of some solutions to this (2FA makes it very difficult to share credentials with anyone)
Split the 2fa key too
How can you split a 2FA key?
LTCgear uses email one-time codes (ie, you log in and they email your email the login password that you have to use to get signed in).
Most of the other stuff uses Google Authenticator, which is bound to a smart phone.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: satoshi on November 12, 2014, 04:40:10 pm
This is a good train of thought.

How about making a separate email account and giving the trustees half access each.

I am really hoping to get a solution through NXT wallet.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 12, 2014, 04:41:32 pm
Ah, I thought it is a google autenticator code, I know google autenticator can be split "yo can type the code in your phone which can be extracted from the qr code"
Can't you use another kind of 2fa for ltcgear? Only email? If not, use another email and split the password :P
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 04:53:25 pm
Ah, I thought it is a google autenticator code, I know google autenticator can be split "yo can type the code in your phone which can be extracted from the qr code"
Can't you use another kind of 2fa for ltcgear? Only email? If not, use another email and split the password :P
The only way that I would feel safe with an account holding 100+ btc worth of LTCgears, honestly, is for it to be protected with some form of 2FA.
if I create a gmail address for it, how do I ensure that the gmail account stays safe? Gmail is notorious for accounts getting broken into.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 12, 2014, 05:03:06 pm
Ah, I thought it is a google autenticator code, I know google autenticator can be split "yo can type the code in your phone which can be extracted from the qr code"
Can't you use another kind of 2fa for ltcgear? Only email? If not, use another email and split the password :P
The only way that I would feel safe with an account holding 100+ btc worth of LTCgears, honestly, is for it to be protected with some form of 2FA.
if I create a gmail address for it, how do I ensure that the gmail account stays safe? Gmail is notorious for accounts getting broken into.
I mean use the google authenticator 2fa, not a google account, do you need a google account for use it? Or at least, will this google account in case of needed save any information about the master keys you use in google autenthicator? Each time I restore my phone, I have to introduce again all the master keys for 2fa in google authenticator, so I suppose they are always in your phone and unknow by google, am I right?
If not create another email account only for the ltcgear 2fa confirmations like satoshi and my suggested in last posts at same time hehe
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: rlh on November 12, 2014, 05:08:09 pm
Been a long time since I looked into it but Google 2FA does not need a google account, not a connection to their servers.  Well, the app mihht connect to google to syncronize an internal clock, but it doesn't pass the data back-and-forth.

If you split your google 2FA seed, you can split the account.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: printshop on November 12, 2014, 05:19:12 pm
Ah, I thought it is a google autenticator code, I know google autenticator can be split "yo can type the code in your phone which can be extracted from the qr code"
Can't you use another kind of 2fa for ltcgear? Only email? If not, use another email and split the password :P
The only way that I would feel safe with an account holding 100+ btc worth of LTCgears, honestly, is for it to be protected with some form of 2FA.
if I create a gmail address for it, how do I ensure that the gmail account stays safe? Gmail is notorious for accounts getting broken into.

If you have someone in your jurisdiction sign an NDA that should be sufficient. If they take the password and use it for a purpose other than holding on to it, it would be a no contest case. You could do this with a corporation for example, which is even better since it shields you from personal legal liability -- although I can't imagine what liability you could have, maybe a secretary paper-cutting themselves on the hardcopy.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Cryptographer on November 12, 2014, 06:26:01 pm
Personally, I keep my KeePass database on a Google Drive protected with 2FA authentication and it has a fairly good complex password as it's master password (128 bits of entropy) that I've committed to memory. :)

Saving KeePass to Google Drive is the same as using last pass - encrypted file stored online
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 12, 2014, 06:34:16 pm
I would seriously not put encrypted password safes on google drive, last pass or anywhere else.  Cryptanalysis gets better every decade.  Moore's Law says bruiteforce gets easier over time.  It is really only a matter of time before someone (Lastpass, NSA, or other) decrypts your password safe.

Trusting a 3rd party with your encrypted data is a fundamentally weaker security assumption.  When reasoning about a crypto systems the step one assumption is does the enemy have your encrypted data.  Why give up this level of difficulty to an attacker.

Summary: carry a USB.

@pf I like your idea about splitting passwords and email accounts as necessary with K trusted individuals.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 12, 2014, 07:00:04 pm
Been a long time since I looked into it but Google 2FA does not need a google account, not a connection to their servers.  Well, the app mihht connect to google to syncronize an internal clock, but it doesn't pass the data back-and-forth.

If you split your google 2FA seed, you can split the account.
Is there an easy way to do this? :p
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 12, 2014, 08:30:09 pm
Been a long time since I looked into it but Google 2FA does not need a google account, not a connection to their servers.  Well, the app mihht connect to google to syncronize an internal clock, but it doesn't pass the data back-and-forth.

If you split your google 2FA seed, you can split the account.
Is there an easy way to do this? :p

Do you already have a qr code from ltgear? If so, scan it with your phone and copy the 2fa seed to another place
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 12, 2014, 08:33:55 pm
LastPass is not safe.  So many trivial vulnerabilities have already been reported and more continue to be announced.  A cloud based password safe, though convenient, is more vulnerable and more of a target, a gigantic pot of honey.  Don't be foolish and don't keep your passwords there.

You should use a private password safe such as Schneier's Password Safe or KeePass.

Please elaborate because from everything I've read by peer review lastpass is safe.

What trivial vulnerabilities? Who "announced" them?

While the passwords are saved on their server, it is only the encrypted version, that is encrypted client side. Lastpass never sends your password.

I am far from foolish believe me. You say things, without pointing to any reliable information.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 12, 2014, 08:37:44 pm
Gmail is notorious for accounts getting broken into.

What? Where do you get that info? IF that is true, I am fairly sure it is due to users using simplistic, easy to guess passwords, and no fault in googles security.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 12, 2014, 08:39:58 pm
Been a long time since I looked into it but Google 2FA does not need a google account, not a connection to their servers.  Well, the app mihht connect to google to syncronize an internal clock, but it doesn't pass the data back-and-forth.

If you split your google 2FA seed, you can split the account.
Is there an easy way to do this? :p

It's possible. Just take the token the 2FA screen presents and send one person the first half, and another person the second half.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: k_day on November 12, 2014, 08:43:02 pm
Bad news: if lastpass' crypto is broken, then Nxt's crypto is broken. This would be news to me.

Seriously though, latpass has been vetted by leading security analysists - Steve Gibson et all - I'm choosing to trust it.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 12, 2014, 08:45:09 pm
Bad news: if lastpass' crypto is broken, then Nxt's crypto is broken. This would be news to me.

Right, I was just thinking the same thing. They wouldn't need my vault, cause they can just crack all my NXT, BTC, etc private keys.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 12, 2014, 10:44:22 pm
LastPass is not safe.  So many trivial vulnerabilities have already been reported and more continue to be announced.  A cloud based password safe, though convenient, is more vulnerable and more of a target, a gigantic pot of honey.  Don't be foolish and don't keep your passwords there.

You should use a private password safe such as Schneier's Password Safe or KeePass.

Please elaborate because from everything I've read by peer review lastpass is safe.

What trivial vulnerabilities? Who "announced" them?

While the passwords are saved on their server, it is only the encrypted version, that is encrypted client side. Lastpass never sends your password.

I am far from foolish believe me. You say things, without pointing to any reliable information.

Well most recently we have this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/14/popular_web_password_vaults_blurting_codes/

Quote
A second CSRF bug affected LastPass one time passwords. It could allow attackers to see which apps and devices were running LastPass, to steal the entire master password-encrypted vault for later brute-forcing, and to erase any stored website password.

The disclosure prompted LastPass to issue a statement playing down vulnerabilities affecting its Java bookmarklets and one time passwords which if run on a malicious website could compromise user accounts prior to a fix pushed out in September.

Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 12, 2014, 10:54:27 pm
Bad news: if lastpass' crypto is broken, then Nxt's crypto is broken. This would be news to me.

Seriously though, latpass has been vetted by leading security analysists - Steve Gibson et all - I'm choosing to trust it.

Last and NXT are different beasts.  Lastpass uses AES (symmetric) whereas NXT is using ECC (public key).  NXT doesn't store encrypted copies of your private keys anywhere. Though I hear some people upload them to their Lastpass vaults for extra excitement.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: rlh on November 13, 2014, 03:50:59 am
Been a long time since I looked into it but Google 2FA does not need a google account, not a connection to their servers.  Well, the app mihht connect to google to syncronize an internal clock, but it doesn't pass the data back-and-forth.

If you split your google 2FA seed, you can split the account.
Is there an easy way to do this? :p

Do you already have a qr code from ltgear? If so, scan it with your phone and copy the 2fa seed to another place

Yeah, basically read in the QR data and there should be some string that is the seed.  Split the string in  n parts and distribute it to n parties.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 13, 2014, 09:51:39 pm
Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?

First, I don't. I let them backup an encrypted version of my passwords to their servers so I can sync it with multiple devices.

Second, I have 2FA set up on every important account (those with money and my email) that I use. So, even if someone was able to 1, get a copy of my encrypted vault, and 2, crack my long complex password, they would not be able to access my accounts.

So... it's about using best practices, safe computing and layers of security.

But.... we are getting off topic.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 14, 2014, 12:30:47 am
Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?

First, I don't. I let them backup an encrypted version of my passwords to their servers so I can sync it with multiple devices.


Whether encrypted or not it's in their hands.  Trust as you will, we in China do not.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 14, 2014, 05:15:56 am
Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?

First, I don't. I let them backup an encrypted version of my passwords to their servers so I can sync it with multiple devices.


Whether encrypted or not it's in their hands.  Trust as you will, we in China do not.

I trust the science of crypto. ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 14, 2014, 08:06:17 am
Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?

First, I don't. I let them backup an encrypted version of my passwords to their servers so I can sync it with multiple devices.


Whether encrypted or not it's in their hands.  Trust as you will, we in China do not.

I trust the science of crypto. ;)

Science says that the security afforded by a given encryption is a temporary thing.  Crypto gets weaker over time as cryptanalysis improves and computers get faster.  In 10-20 years the encrypted data you already uploaded will be easily broken into. You must therefore consider everything you've already uploaded plaintext in 20 years. They already have it. Security must be thought of over the long term. It's a holistic process. Hopefully you don't work for a bank.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: hurrikaani on November 14, 2014, 08:30:41 am
Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?

First, I don't. I let them backup an encrypted version of my passwords to their servers so I can sync it with multiple devices.


Whether encrypted or not it's in their hands.  Trust as you will, we in China do not.

I trust the science of crypto. ;)

Science says that the security afforded by a given encryption is a temporary thing.  Crypto gets weaker over time as cryptanalysis improves and computers get faster.  In 10-20 years the encrypted data you already uploaded will be easily broken into. You must therefore consider everything you've already uploaded plaintext in 20 years. They already have it. Security must be thought of over the long term. It's a holistic process. Hopefully you don't work for a bank.

Your prediction is based on Moore's Law.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 14, 2014, 02:13:39 pm
Your prediction is based on Moore's Law.

Yes, but also advances in human knowledge on cryptography.  It's not a level playing field either. Some have more of both computational power and knowledge.  Schneier said things that come from the NSA look as if from an alien race for a reason: https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2004/08/cryptanalysis_of_md5.html
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 14, 2014, 02:56:10 pm
Why put your most sensitive data into someone else's hands?

First, I don't. I let them backup an encrypted version of my passwords to their servers so I can sync it with multiple devices.


Whether encrypted or not it's in their hands.  Trust as you will, we in China do not.

I trust the science of crypto. ;)

Science says that the security afforded by a given encryption is a temporary thing.  Crypto gets weaker over time as cryptanalysis improves and computers get faster.  In 10-20 years the encrypted data you already uploaded will be easily broken into. You must therefore consider everything you've already uploaded plaintext in 20 years. They already have it. Security must be thought of over the long term. It's a holistic process. Hopefully you don't work for a bank.

If you think in 10-20 years we will still be using Username/Password to present credentials then you also aren't considering things either. But, thanks for being the smartest guy in the room and insulting me. Much appreciated.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 14, 2014, 03:07:54 pm
If you think in 10-20 years we will still be using Username/Password to present credentials then you also aren't considering things either. But, thanks for being the smartest guy in the room and insulting me. Much appreciated.

Passwords and secret keys are cryptographic primitives and are here to stay. I apologize if I've insulted you. This is serious stuff that could influence security practices concerning assets of great value. It matters a lot.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 14, 2014, 03:11:42 pm
If you think in 10-20 years we will still be using Username/Password to present credentials then you also aren't considering things either. But, thanks for being the smartest guy in the room and insulting me. Much appreciated.

Passwords and secret keys are cryptographic primitives and are here to stay. I apologize if I've insulted you. This is serious stuff that could influence security practices concerning assets of great value. It matters a lot.

If we are still using Username/Password, and if some quantum leap in computing/crypto happens I will be sure to change my passwords, so if someone does somehow get a copy of my vault that was encrypted with lesser crypto then that info would be useless. I also as I said have the additional protection of 2FA.

Can we get back to mining.

What the expected payout percentage this week?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 14, 2014, 03:15:41 pm
What the expected payout percentage this week?

I think I'll make more Nxt this week than last week  ;D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 14, 2014, 03:31:18 pm
If you think in 10-20 years we will still be using Username/Password to present credentials then you also aren't considering things either. But, thanks for being the smartest guy in the room and insulting me. Much appreciated.

Passwords and secret keys are cryptographic primitives and are here to stay. I apologize if I've insulted you. This is serious stuff that could influence security practices concerning assets of great value. It matters a lot.

If we are still using Username/Password, and if some quantum leap in computing/crypto happens I will be sure to change my passwords, so if someone does somehow get a copy of my vault that was encrypted with lesser crypto then that info would be useless. I also as I said have the additional protection of 2FA.

Can we get back to mining.

What the expected payout percentage this week?
It's hard to say, with the price of NXT having fallen considerably more than the price of LTC and the fact that the payouts should be at least 15% higher than last week (even after the 10% share multiplication was sent out) - they should be one of the higher payouts that we've seen.
As soon as LTCgear's posts their numbers I will be able to confirm this
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 14, 2014, 11:31:49 pm
Still waiting on LTCGear to send the weekly payout.
Refer to post #2, dividend will be distributed sometime between now and tomorrow (saturday night).

Due to some slow blocks on the bitcoin blockchain I will get the dividends distributed tomorrow as opposed to today.

It seems that the new multiplication shares only paid out for part of the week again (tuesday -> friday), which may impact our % roi slightly. future weeks should be higher (because the multiplication shares will be profitable for the full week).  I had been hoping to avoid this by Chris sending out the multiplication shares on saturday, however they were delayed and c'est la vie.
 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 15, 2014, 01:37:18 am
Still waiting on LTCGear to send the weekly payout.
Refer to post #2, dividend will be distributed sometime between now and tomorrow (saturday night).

Due to some slow blocks on the bitcoin blockchain I will get the dividends distributed tomorrow as opposed to today.

It seems that the new multiplication shares only paid out for part of the week again (tuesday -> friday), which may impact our % roi slightly. future weeks should be higher (because the multiplication shares will be profitable for the full week).  I had been hoping to avoid this by Chris sending out the multiplication shares on saturday, however they were delayed and c'est la vie.

cool. thanks for letting us know
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: mnporter2001 on November 15, 2014, 01:40:04 am
PF you going to the outlaws for dinner this week ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 15, 2014, 01:40:31 am
No problem.  It could be later tonight (it depends on if I get home in time) but it will definitely be in the first half of tomorrow at the latest.

Thanks guys
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 15, 2014, 01:41:07 am
PF you going to the outlaws for dinner this week ;)
Nope, date with an ex girlfriend! She has a five year old son now, so it depends how quickly I get scared off! :P
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 54.5% return so far, >894k dividends, ~12GH
Post by: mnporter2001 on November 15, 2014, 01:43:53 am
PF you going to the outlaws for dinner this week ;)
Nope, date with an ex girlfriend! She has a five year old son now, so it depends how quickly I get scared off! :P

Or how quick she sends him off to bed... could get messy, depending on your ex's difficulty level we may not expect payment until Monday  ;D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 15, 2014, 02:24:00 am
I just found out the kid has gone out of town with grandma for the weekend.
And naturally, she's late getting ready.
So the good thing is! Dividends are just sending out now.
TXN numbers momentarily.
11% ROI this week - the multiplication shares only paid out for two days (so I should have probably distributed them next week instead of this week but c'est la vie).
HRLTCGEAR has given out over 1.2 million in dividends thus far, over 65% ROI for the initial investors.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 15, 2014, 02:35:23 am
Sorry for the abnormal formatting, I accidently closed the dividend+ module before I copied the output of it.


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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Pilot on November 15, 2014, 03:34:45 am
Yea. Reinvested.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 15, 2014, 06:55:32 am
Lol seven bee rs and I'm In Love
Hrnxtpool will pay out in the morning please crosspost
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Nexxie on November 15, 2014, 12:26:30 pm
11% ROI this week.
Nice  :o 8)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: cobaltskky on November 15, 2014, 01:47:10 pm
(http://community.runnersworld.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/57450676643591865/filePointer/57591414143198461/fodoid/57591414143198457/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/943183655d1251016823-happy-birthday-stormtraxx-very-nice-how-much-borat_great_success)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on November 16, 2014, 11:47:56 am
Hey pf,

do you have thought about to stop selling shares for the ASIC share1k6x and waiting for a new product from ltcgear? The roi is increasing day by day.

Personally I'm owning 44000 shares and have stopped investing. Maybe you could share your thought's about that to us.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 16, 2014, 04:04:57 pm
Sorry for the drunk post friday night, I should know better than to use my iphone after a few wobblypops.

I have thought about that, CryptoGuu, what do other people think? Chris has not indicated when he will offer a newer product though.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 16, 2014, 04:19:50 pm
I have thought about that, CryptoGuu, what do other people think? Chris has not indicated when he will offer a newer product though.

Maybe ask Chris directly, this pool is very large and maybe you will get interesting info from him. It cost nothing to ask.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on November 16, 2014, 05:41:13 pm
I have thought about that, CryptoGuu, what do other people think? Chris has not indicated when he will offer a newer product though.

Maybe ask Chris directly, this pool is very large and maybe you will get interesting info from him. It cost nothing to ask.

sounds good.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: xibeijan on November 16, 2014, 06:13:43 pm
Hey pf,

do you have thought about to stop selling shares for the ASIC share1k6x and waiting for a new product from ltcgear? The roi is increasing day by day.

Personally I'm owning 44000 shares and have stopped investing. Maybe you could share your thought's about that to us.

good idea.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 16, 2014, 06:31:17 pm
Sorry for the drunk post friday night, I should know better than to use my iphone after a few wobblypops.

I have thought about that, CryptoGuu, what do other people think? Chris has not indicated when he will offer a newer product though.
i like this idea a lot.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: bikapata on November 16, 2014, 06:43:16 pm
in connection with the share of multiplication HRLTCGEAR I have received an asset named: PFTSASSET 
Transaction 1425383131745823194

What does this mean?
Was that a mistake?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: Wongi on November 16, 2014, 09:12:00 pm
To my mind this was just a test asset some shareholders got from pf. Just a dry run for the real share distribution script.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: okaynow on November 17, 2014, 02:47:01 am
in connection with the share of multiplication HRLTCGEAR I have received an asset named: PFTSASSET 
Transaction 1425383131745823194

What does this mean?
Was that a mistake?

Wongi is right, i think this is pf's post about the test asset distribution:
https://nxtforum.org/assets-board/reserved-5816/msg127294/#msg127294
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 17, 2014, 03:28:17 am
To my mind this was just a test asset some shareholders got from pf. Just a dry run for the real share distribution script.
This is exactly correct.
Sorry if anybody wants to burn their pfststasset please feel free to either send them to genesis or back to the sender.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~12GH
Post by: pf on November 18, 2014, 05:41:27 am
Just added 960 additional MH.
Taking us to approximately 13 GH

I have also reached out to Chris for the possibility of either some bigger packages (possibly for a better price) or to find out when his next products will be out.
I've asked what the price would be for 1.6 GH packs (if possibly he would give a bit of a discount buying 10 packs at a time).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Ylluks on November 18, 2014, 07:24:58 am
Hi Pf,

I was wondering How the testing of the reinvestment script went.
Is it ready for the next dividend payment/reinvestment?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 18, 2014, 05:00:31 pm
I am working out a few wrinkles with the reinvestment script (mostly the fact that I have an overly complex password for the asset issuer with lots of special characters that Python hates - I have figured out a work around for that by using a temporary other account to distribute the assets however, I just want to test it a couple more times with some pfststasset).

PS.

Not sure if this is related to my inquiry or not but:

Quote
Two changes

Posted on November 18, 2014 by Chris in Announcements

Hi,

Two changes:

- The anniversary coupon code will be deactivated

- The referral system will be deactivated at the end of the week for several weeks (possible permanent.) All referral hits registered before deactivation will be paid and no referrals will be recorded after.

In order to mitigate short term effects of this changes, a new product is temporarily listed, at a price which contain all the accumulated benefits of the removed features.

Kind Regards,
Chris
I would still like to sneak in a few more purchases before the affiliate system is expired and before the coupon code is turned off, as the new product does not appear to be listed quite yet.  I am emailing for info on if the new product will be at a better price point. (I suspect that it might be at the same price point as the anniversary code discount, but not with the additional 11% affiliate payout).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: rubenbc on November 18, 2014, 10:50:50 pm
Hi @pf, your asset give me nxt and smiles every week!! thanks

one question

If ltc collapses, what will happen to the asset? Is supposed to be a long term investment but ltc could be worth shit xD

regards
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 18, 2014, 10:53:46 pm
Hi @pf, your asset give me nxt and smiles every week!! thanks

one question

If ltc collapses, what will happen to the asset? Is supposed to be a long term investment but ltc could be worth shit xD

regards

Hey man,

The equipment is all able to mine Scrypt coins - I would suspect if LTC ever collapses then Chris would switch the farm over to mine on a multipool (or something similar) and just pay out directly in BTC.
I can't 100% confirm that.  I would love for him to point our equipment directly at our pool (maybe I will ask now that we're at 13 GH.  Last time I asked we were only 2-3 GH)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: TwinWinNerD on November 18, 2014, 10:55:14 pm
Hi @pf, your asset give me nxt and smiles every week!! thanks

one question

If ltc collapses, what will happen to the asset? Is supposed to be a long term investment but ltc could be worth shit xD

regards

Hey man,

The equipment is all able to mine Scrypt coins - I would suspect if LTC ever collapses then Chris would switch the farm over to mine on a multipool (or something similar) and just pay out directly in BTC.
I can't 100% confirm that.  I would love for him to point our equipment directly at our pool (maybe I will ask now that we're at 13 GH.  Last time I asked we were only 2-3 GH)


If he does that, we finally know that he is indeed running hardware :p
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 18, 2014, 10:58:27 pm
Hi @pf, your asset give me nxt and smiles every week!! thanks

one question

If ltc collapses, what will happen to the asset? Is supposed to be a long term investment but ltc could be worth shit xD

regards

Hey man,

The equipment is all able to mine Scrypt coins - I would suspect if LTC ever collapses then Chris would switch the farm over to mine on a multipool (or something similar) and just pay out directly in BTC.
I can't 100% confirm that.  I would love for him to point our equipment directly at our pool (maybe I will ask now that we're at 13 GH.  Last time I asked we were only 2-3 GH)


If he does that, we finally know that he is indeed running hardware :p
Apparently he is "Solo Miner #1" on https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools
and also uses some of the other big pools.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 19, 2014, 04:23:32 pm
Added +365 MH
LTCGear's new package has been posted (182.5 MH for $839 plus an 8% discount for paying with BTC).  It looks like for the rest of this week you can still get the 11% affiliate bonus on those packs too (this will stop on friday as per Chris' post) so this is the cheapest hash we've ever bought. ($686.97 after the affiliate bonus pays out, for 182.5 MH - thats $3.76 per MH)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: BTCDDev on November 19, 2014, 09:59:21 pm
On which day of the week are the payouts?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 20, 2014, 02:32:21 am
Usually Friday night pst, possibly as late as early Saturday.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 21, 2014, 04:47:36 pm
I have taken down the sell order for new HRLTCGEAR shares to prevent further dilution of the weekly dividends.  (~150K NXT sold today, I am trying to sneak in additional LTCGEAR shares but I suspect that it's too late for the weekly cutoff)

In the future weeks I will be removing the 1 NXT sell order each thursday and putting it back up once payouts have sent.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: martismartis on November 21, 2014, 05:01:37 pm
I have taken down the sell order for new HRLTCGEAR shares to prevent further dilution of the weekly dividends.  (~150K NXT sold today, I am trying to sneak in additional LTCGEAR shares but I suspect that it's too late for the weekly cutoff)

In the future weeks I will be removing the 1 NXT sell order each thursday and putting it back up once payouts have sent.

Ups, my order was not fulfilled :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 21, 2014, 05:53:33 pm
I have taken down the sell order for new HRLTCGEAR shares to prevent further dilution of the weekly dividends.  (~150K NXT sold today, I am trying to sneak in additional LTCGEAR shares but I suspect that it's too late for the weekly cutoff)

In the future weeks I will be removing the 1 NXT sell order each thursday and putting it back up once payouts have sent.

Ups, my order was not fulfilled :)
Sorry, once this week's payouts go out I will put the sell order back up immediately.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: escalicha on November 21, 2014, 07:05:11 pm
I hear that if I pay in bitcoins this asset I can get an offer, its really? If yes, with who I need to speak?

I Want invest 100USD every week aprox :)

Thanks :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: cexylikepie on November 21, 2014, 07:42:18 pm
I hear that if I pay in bitcoins this asset I can get an offer, its really? If yes, with who I need to speak?

I Want invest 100USD every week aprox :)

Thanks :)

just message pf
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 65.5% return so far, 1.23 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 21, 2014, 10:26:06 pm
Before this week's dividends go out, I just wanted to thank everyone once again for your trust.
We've been one of the top 5 assets on the AE for the past several weeks in a row!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 21, 2014, 10:46:52 pm
12% ROI this week, over 400k NXT distributed.
Taking us to 77.5% ROI for the initial investors

TXN numbers shortly, please manually do your reinvestments again this week.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: ASNXT on November 21, 2014, 11:01:19 pm
That's perfect. Thank you for this wonderful asset.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: 13Darko on November 21, 2014, 11:22:15 pm
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105524671/mac.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 21, 2014, 11:36:35 pm
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105524671/mac.jpg)

lol good one. +1
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 21, 2014, 11:49:45 pm
mount paid, Account, TX
69804.84591968, NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2, 14997912440656303213
34050.97011789, NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN, 11726660496463433509
28812.35933052, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 8070749608194103965
16803.32033783, NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57, 857836747657483785
16187.30733297, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 9694240999600652334
15064.57779376, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 7351423308349022907
13096.52696842, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 711748102252226696
13079.9777207, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 13041132611590669864
11963.79644499, NXT-X5EF-HTB2-RLYU-HW8E7, 6251647151897129686
11905.93360765, NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86, 449103861314076927
9524.74688612, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 6892122443843765380
8284.14860421, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 18304095168688247481
7985.07155198, NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX, 14909808572913384330
7686.4707371, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 6018882166354036080
7144.03640194, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 12201814708585749675
6840.19697627, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 9993066353755449658
6732.09109911, NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ, 15561978538132867428
6548.26348421, NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN, 2806407934662732962
5470.77649272, NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE, 4371879837647632309
5221.82342098, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 1968014995589303177
5000.49211521, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 17110344561318898167
4826.07018786, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 3609262012714277362
4807.02069409, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 9293022372815019892
4786.18531028, NXT-G7J2-E8CU-TAT4-6D2N4, 14349239539887836302
4714.74970863, NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL, 4523044295895096726
4095.64116103, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 2501673668707694367
3968.60484944, NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F, 7267706335008372421
3928.95809053, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 16935280590643875157
3393.19107818, NXT-7DFS-RD2W-9R3F-76JCM, 8730011448865494112
3333.66141014, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 2324962717629543360
2976.48340191, NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT, 13374112703807150887
2631.21132729, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 388702203015652770
2619.30539368, NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA, 10777919318110407979
2619.30539368, NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T, 14769418154286562922
2619.30539368, NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5, 12304801823020619327
2434.40624476, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 10730155515976417611
2244.26848504, NXT-RNEB-CMJR-ELLX-GZJMT, 12622289162370394442
2024.0087133, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 12575400100434500748
2009.95971164, NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8, 8882079772385555361
1964.47904526, NXT-2VD5-3VPM-KYES-6A5BT, 10717555945356172476
1785.89004115, NXT-J698-WN8Q-XR8A-92TLD, 14544654197150491947
1570.27358351, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 7025638310077577962
1547.77136899, NXT-8JY3-ZPFF-JXWC-7AX25, 15069236503663235698
1494.19466776, NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93, 4518919205816571464
1463.59641839, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 7532948211963575584
1317.27249435, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 8813699663440415354
1313.8197736, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 8825455166781846260
1309.65269684, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 126682650731587201
1309.65269684, NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY, 5235354669011479133
1309.65269684, NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG, 4726644947799507147
1309.65269684, NXT-RNCR-YXDZ-V866-BS5RX, 987813721025669414
1309.65269684, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 3184377851548726304
1250.1230288, NXT-A3CC-YG8Z-HNFP-23QMS, 15622767369993773443
1244.170062, NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT, 2744224246760504412
1190.59336077, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 7255785166428947112
1190.59336077, NXT-XW8Z-J9Q2-AUFT-HSAL4, 10565935895259964495
1166.78149355, NXT-VK9R-AXKX-H82L-BAFDV, 12684086040028478789
1107.96618153, NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS, 10101388619967652865
1071.53402469, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 15988469154944875926
1059.62809108, NXT-X5SD-X2YY-E4S9-GG9HX, 8054556812575700778
1018.4335608, NXT-B7ZF-X7GW-AUWE-863Z9, 12163149140387048221
1014.38554337, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 3373005472315873497
985.21600603, NXT-DHL3-UJKW-JJAG-6R9BJ, 7789026097325982722
946.52172181, NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7, 3074247185760623021
840.32079403, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 274229821926110865
833.41535254, NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX, 8388749495148883299
833.41535254, NXT-NH53-QEG6-NG4U-6D9DZ, 11124221492052423311
821.50941893, NXT-TC3X-B2FM-42EY-FPRF8, 1252997444007238133
803.76957785, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 14637461280602943099
801.03121312, NXT-MDBD-9G7U-WD6U-8WFPL, 16475036397218348227
744.71614716, NXT-GHAL-CD2K-HEEG-7PLBL, 7075305417665288862
720.30898326, NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K, 16324294261127851522
714.35601646, NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT, 8050319112399240041
714.35601646, NXT-T2DW-9WYH-DF2J-B2QFE, 14760302798294023662
707.45057497, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 12243345123985707386
595.29668038, NXT-YX4X-QNQU-WKZC-AXNE5, 16424203981497185610
595.29668038, NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS, 16525244402948947173
595.29668038, NXT-ZX4M-M4DS-WAKR-8FT76, 15509770867568773243
528.62345218, NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T, 983135634697961204
518.26528994, NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX, 8907291208747436836
517.90811193, NXT-N969-VBNG-QJD9-H3S9V, 7012082150680877544
500.04921152, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 10646644352704792914
478.02323435, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 6644771297105596086
476.83264099, NXT-ULR2-T4TH-4X7P-8WVPV, 4787368058627073830
476.23734431, NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9, 13863432001628581031
459.92621526, NXT-Q6AS-486F-W3PC-7B5LB, 11059181192740626993
458.37844389, NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW, 9900214229857975432
446.35345095, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 6745348187447049495
396.46758913, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 5852263989435798594
392.89580905, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 12951636227939196250
392.89580905, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 7826428358864488078
392.89580905, NXT-NRGJ-86TR-QBUU-D2C3S, 9004611928133582119
392.89580905, NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF, 1943651050391493580
386.34754557, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 6310972887055368221
368.60770449, NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3, 14420050160590359726
357.17800823, NXT-Z9BG-6MGD-NT7D-HPV7S, 14881824716243320911
340.50970118, NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6, 119412009996753054
337.65227711, NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778, 12677477258395492459
324.67480948, NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD, 11490884995294621184
297.64834019, NXT-ACJB-46Q5-2Y86-6A8XE, 2091005717006008060
261.93053937, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 1726961788248587857
261.93053937, NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22, 18170791830929415751
253.71544518, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 6774036683642392850
245.73846966, NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS, 3785814314259172095
238.11867215, NXT-RNWA-UN2A-GREA-6W666, 7263430618161078646
238.11867215, NXT-8573-EJTH-JSWS-GH5FG, 6816880963188632354
238.11867215, NXT-ND7Z-BKP8-9YVX-HSBV2, 18238084666640077919
202.40087133, NXT-2L4G-2KTP-7YKJ-HZNJY, 10678334126349253917
200.01968461, NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW, 7891635163888144194
196.44790453, NXT-ZR6Q-2DBZ-JTZP-5Q6ZK, 14912806537154119123
178.58900411, NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73, 8373586085391540594
174.54098669, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 959393953829698913
169.18331656, NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2, 2674379482212085756
148.8241701, NXT-6BLV-3QZM-HMMQ-6Y5LZ, 7779841761328345872
148.8241701, NXT-8T88-RJHB-QE2X-H4TXW, 17275630462164074275
145.25239001, NXT-ATPB-JE97-MVFB-E9WWD, 4730984932831979535
144.06179665, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 11767723135088362456
140.2518979, NXT-76CF-3FFB-9RKM-EBFUT, 161993552280378735
130.96526968, NXT-BT7K-KX8C-784T-EZ3WG, 4172927596513263662
130.25091367, NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84, 9405462886610512484
125.01230288, NXT-4WUN-CK3J-EKX2-D996Q, 3364791036595811933
123.34547218, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 1133794045203599030
123.22641284, NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM, 12409094586829759289
119.05933608, NXT-EUH2-Y9LT-J54V-EPB56, 5348929610683961243
110.12988587, NXT-QCXP-YL3N-3SYS-EZX5T, 13127236477451544970
104.77221575, NXT-S96S-MDZY-UKG8-2ACBP, 4598014414015560225
98.22395226, NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7, 1004436433018015635
96.67618089, NXT-FMM2-7E76-DKZ2-6ARKE, 18349795900734714903
91.91380745, NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL, 2363469765154088447
59.52966804, NXT-UD68-KH7T-EL2A-3XH2F, 11000225821835736238
49.88586182, NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS, 715845331368852453
48.57620912, NXT-UVQG-94MW-EFBK-FMGSK, 16931975088755522363
39.28958091, NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM, 7713367776706066953
38.69428422, NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF, 7380387866848565282
34.52720746, NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF, 4809257918317951692
28.21706265, NXT-V35S-6QQE-B6XH-6LPUR, 14710977759454352178
23.81186722, NXT-XK4J-RN7N-UTMV-AANJ5, 4983751873045175559
23.57374854, NXT-S75C-K4F3-8QDM-9T6V8, 16878675995605325514
19.64479045, NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD, 12359592084479339732
19.64479045, NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY, 1347069243503468933
13.09652697, NXT-QNWR-YJ2B-G295-9HXTY, 9279459069841615496
13.09652697, NXT-44HE-6Z3Y-N2ZL-E9ZPW, 8976703907860395399
13.09652697, NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5, 5750108719309293813
6.54826348, NXT-TN8Y-C57X-KJ69-FNAEX, 5415587778898378512
6.31014481, NXT-N5TP-Q9WV-SECL-CPAJH, 2602777084400494616
5.9529668, NXT-2XLN-29YB-7SLH-49TTY, 538256137489688569
4.76237344, NXT-J9V5-D2TQ-XTRW-F6VT2, 9482103695577859451
2.61930539, NXT-2EED-8L9A-89U7-9NNJ7, 14976399262141435670
1.78589004, NXT-F6AZ-3GQE-ZPQ8-3A39V, 6780381382352027349
1.54777137, NXT-63UG-63M4-RKTE-B3PX9, 17210630466821531829
1.3096527, NXT-MAX4-6ZDE-3QVX-CDMY9, 10069888704616416170
1.19059336, NXT-R8NC-ZZ8N-TCVD-9E9SU, 8529174465332018727
0.95247469, NXT-TW9P-CA3V-YUAQ-HSXMG, 1611217677953609191
0.71435602, NXT-PK6M-CQDA-7UEZ-4T4CR, 8384586507350413775
0.23811867, NXT-63BT-VQ87-A4MD-D9WJX, 11549442611970320297
0.23811867, NXT-8PSD-UGEF-W69U-7V2L8, 10317768627462157506
0.11905934, NXT-5HGA-WBVV-JA2J-DD8HB, 1961602260483400622
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: th4o on November 22, 2014, 06:48:59 am
Thank you for your great work on this, pf! :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Pilot on November 22, 2014, 06:24:44 pm
Yea, reinvested 100% again. Where do you buy the NXT?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 23, 2014, 05:41:24 pm
I buy the NXT at BTER.
I encourage people to invest.  I managed to snap up one of these, I just have to pay for it still if we manage to sell enough shares in the next 24 hours.

http://ltcgear.com/product/asic-share-40k0-black-friday-mega-pack/  (that is an additional 4 GH, for the cheapest $/MH that LTCgear has ever offered - This is literally $3.17 per MH, nearly 30% better price than buying the smaller packs)

(32.94943453 BTC after the 8% discount)

Let me know if anyone is interested in a personal partial investment in part of the shares.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 23, 2014, 06:02:03 pm
BTW, we already have about 24 BTC waiting to buy LTCgear shares, so we don't need to try and raise a full 33 BTC.  We only need about 10 more BTC worth of share sales today.  If we manage to swing the 4 GH pack, it will take us to nearly 18 GH in total.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on November 23, 2014, 06:11:05 pm
I buy the NXT at BTER.
I encourage people to invest.  I managed to snap up one of these, I just have to pay for it still if we manage to sell enough shares in the next 24 hours.

http://ltcgear.com/product/asic-share-40k0-black-friday-mega-pack/  (that is an additional 4 GH, for the cheapest $/MH that LTCgear has ever offered - This is literally $3.17 per MH, nearly 30% better price than buying the smaller packs)

(32.94943453 BTC after the 8% discount)

Let me know if anyone is interested in a personal partial investment in part of the shares.



12799$
-1016$ (8%btc discount)
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11783$ / 4000MH/s = 2.945$ per MH/s without the 11% affiliate discount
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 23, 2014, 06:12:47 pm
I buy the NXT at BTER.
I encourage people to invest.  I managed to snap up one of these, I just have to pay for it still if we manage to sell enough shares in the next 24 hours.

http://ltcgear.com/product/asic-share-40k0-black-friday-mega-pack/  (that is an additional 4 GH, for the cheapest $/MH that LTCgear has ever offered - This is literally $3.17 per MH, nearly 30% better price than buying the smaller packs)

(32.94943453 BTC after the 8% discount)

Let me know if anyone is interested in a personal partial investment in part of the shares.

could you please explain your calculation? The price is 12799$ before 8% discount. 8% btc discount is 1016$.

12799$
-1016$
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11783$ / 4000MH/s = 2.945$ per MH/s without the 11% affiliate discount

Shit, you're right.
I was just working off of the pre-8% discount numbers. :)
That low of $/MH will help boost profitability for our entire asset, so I hope we get the funds together before the order expires.  The item is completely sold out on the web shop (in fact, I only saw one available which was the one that I ordered).

BTW, hi Chris@LTCGEAR! I have good reason to believe that he lurks this thread. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: ASNXT on November 23, 2014, 07:13:21 pm
@PF
here's my share of invest 3800 NXT. Hope we get the 4000000KHs
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 24, 2014, 05:29:57 am
We have secured enough BTC to pay for the additional 4 GH.
I will update the OP tomorrow morning (I'm heading to bed right now) but we are now at nearly 18 GH.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Wongi on November 24, 2014, 08:44:46 am
Good job. This should even improve the roi a couple percent.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: rubenbc on November 24, 2014, 10:04:39 am
I'm so happy with dividends. I bet a bit more for your asset.
@pf another question..might be possible to finish the assets??  what will happen? regards
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: escalicha on November 24, 2014, 11:53:09 am
We have secured enough BTC to pay for the additional 4 GH.
I will update the OP tomorrow morning (I'm heading to bed right now) but we are now at nearly 18 GH.

I send to you two PM  :-[  :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Woolie Poolie on November 24, 2014, 03:06:00 pm
pf, thanks a bunch.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 24, 2014, 03:20:07 pm
I'm so happy with dividends. I bet a bit more for your asset.
@pf another question? might be possible to finish the assets??  what will happen? regards
Do you mean does the asset eventually have a 'cap' after which I won't sell additional assets?
I've given some thought to this.  LTCgear is coming out with new ASIC chips, so that won't happen for a while at least.
PS, sorry, I will be responding to PM's shortly. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 25, 2014, 03:07:37 pm
I'm so happy with dividends. I bet a bit more for your asset.
@pf another question? might be possible to finish the assets??  what will happen? regards
Do you mean does the asset eventually have a 'cap' after which I won't sell additional assets?
I've given some thought to this.  LTCgear is coming out with new ASIC chips, so that won't happen for a while at least.
PS, sorry, I will be responding to PM's shortly. :)
I suppose he refears to what will happen once the 100 million assets are sold, but the solution is very easy, simply make another asset with 10 billions and redeem old assets :)

One question, how do you know he will launch new chips? Do you really have some extra information? I would like to invest more with some money I have stucked... But I'm very scared about the idea ltcgear could run with all the money without any information... If you have some evidence about if this bussines is legit would really apreciatte if you told us :)
Does anyone really knows who is Crish and know him in person? With the huge ammount of money invested in him wouldn't be very intelligent try to run out... and I doubt many guys invest 200k usd without have any idea about if the bussines is legit :S
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: rubenbc on November 25, 2014, 03:14:14 pm
thanks lopalcar..yes, it seems very simply

good question and waiting for good response
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: jl777 on November 25, 2014, 03:40:26 pm
I'm so happy with dividends. I bet a bit more for your asset.
@pf another question? might be possible to finish the assets??  what will happen? regards
Do you mean does the asset eventually have a 'cap' after which I won't sell additional assets?
I've given some thought to this.  LTCgear is coming out with new ASIC chips, so that won't happen for a while at least.
PS, sorry, I will be responding to PM's shortly. :)
I suppose he refears to what will happen once the 100 million assets are sold, but the solution is very easy, simply make another asset with 10 billions and redeem old assets :)

One question, how do you know he will launch new chips? Do you really have some extra information? I would like to invest more with some money I have stucked... But I'm very scared about the idea ltcgear could run with all the money without any information... If you have some evidence about if this bussines is legit would really apreciatte if you told us :)
Does anyone really knows who is Crish and know him in person? With the huge ammount of money invested in him wouldn't be very intelligent try to run out... and I doubt many guys invest 200k usd without have any idea about if the bussines is legit :S
I dont know him in person, but I have corresponded with him via email, almost a year ago. I even purchased some farmshares, which had good ROI until LTC price collapse. All the LTCgear hardware is 99.9% real, just look at the LTC difficulty.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on November 25, 2014, 05:15:23 pm
I'm so happy with dividends. I bet a bit more for your asset.
@pf another question? might be possible to finish the assets??  what will happen? regards
Do you mean does the asset eventually have a 'cap' after which I won't sell additional assets?
I've given some thought to this.  LTCgear is coming out with new ASIC chips, so that won't happen for a while at least.
PS, sorry, I will be responding to PM's shortly. :)
I suppose he refears to what will happen once the 100 million assets are sold, but the solution is very easy, simply make another asset with 10 billions and redeem old assets :)

One question, how do you know he will launch new chips? Do you really have some extra information? I would like to invest more with some money I have stucked... But I'm very scared about the idea ltcgear could run with all the money without any information... If you have some evidence about if this bussines is legit would really apreciatte if you told us :)
Does anyone really knows who is Crish and know him in person? With the huge ammount of money invested in him wouldn't be very intelligent try to run out... and I doubt many guys invest 200k usd without have any idea about if the bussines is legit :S

Chris sold the firsrt FPGA miner one year ago. His real name is known and he lives in Bulgaria. This is his tread: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.0

and the latest post from him

Hi guys,

I am really sorry I dont visit this old nest more often, but I am busy running between EU and Asia.

About the 40K0 deal - its negative balance for us now, but will bring more customers next week. Also, some people rushed to reserve them, then they cancelled their orders so they were placed back in inventory.
The deal was created after discussion with some affiliate partners which will cover Black Friday week/day.
The new chip will be presented along with an offer to convert old shares (worst power consumption) to new shares (better power, multi coin but with an extra cost.)
This also explains why there is no request for contract renewal from our side.

Cheers,
Chris

And i know people who have invested a $100k+
Personally i don't think that he will come out with a way better price in the near future. Personally my strategy is to invest a big chunk in new products without reinvesting till a new product comes out.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 25, 2014, 05:25:18 pm
Ok, so there is a way to trace this guy if he tryes to run, right?
I will invest a bit more then and pray a bit :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on November 25, 2014, 05:47:58 pm
Ok, so there is a way to trace this guy if he tryes to run, right?
I will invest a bit more then and pray a bit :)

the past have showed that even if people identitys are known you can nothing do if he decided to run. Mt.Gox and Moolah (MintPal) for example. I would not take identity as security. Instead look what the guy did who you wanna trust. For example jl777 he is not known but we (I) trusting him.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 25, 2014, 06:03:58 pm
Ok, so there is a way to trace this guy if he tryes to run, right?
I will invest a bit more then and pray a bit :)

the past have showed that even if people identitys are known you can nothing do if he decided to run. Mt.Gox and Moolah (MintPal) for example. I would not take identity as security. Instead look what the guy did who you wanna trust. For example jl777 he is not known but we (I) trusting him.

That's a good point, but I think are also different things, the matter here is taht if he really have the hardware, he will be able to pay litecoins independently of their value and no one should blame him if litecoin value plummets. MTgox and mintpal issues are due to bankrupts right? They of course can't pay that money back, but if crish isn't investing any of this money in build fpgas, he would have the money in some place and could be taken back by autorities, he would be running a false bussines and I don't believe that is legal... at least I understand this way
Also seems that he is paying and there are some "evidences" about hardware is real, but still seems suspiciously good investment for me...

PD: I also trust James, I understand his acting way, if I where in his situation I would do it similar, he have nice capabilities programing and could improve a lot a plattform in which he own a good stake and by the way he could feel good helping others. "I don't know how many people feel good helping other, but at least I like to do it when it's at my fingertips" so I hope this is the situation with James  :-*
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: AizenSou on November 25, 2014, 09:56:15 pm

Chris sold the firsrt FPGA miner one year ago. His real name is known and he lives in Bulgaria. This is his tread: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.0

I would like to correct something if you don't mind, Alex ;)
He used to called by Chris, but it might be not his true name.
I think no one knows where he lives, actually. A friend of mine ordered the FPGA from him and it delivered from Rumania, so we assume that he lives in this country.

Quote

And i know people who have invested a $100k+
Personally i don't think that he will come out with a way better price in the near future. Personally my strategy is to invest a big chunk in new products without reinvesting till a new product comes out.

Yes a few people who invested more than $100k, but not that they know better than us. They just happen to have more money to spend than us. It's still a high risk high reward investment :). DYOR before investing in anything.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 01:58:07 am
Guys, my account at LTCgear was hacked today, all 11800 shares  were transferred to DobbyPot, he sells them now from my stolen BCT account ralexvalex for 0.0007,  PLEASE DO NOT BUY
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 26, 2014, 08:12:57 am
Guys, my account at LTCgear was hacked today, all 11800 shares  were transferred to DobbyPot, he sells them now from my stolen BCT account ralexvalex for 0.0007,  PLEASE DO NOT BUY

pf, please be carefull that this do not happen to you. I think you could buy a laptop with the pool fund and solely used that laptop to access the LTCgear account. It would greatly reduce hacking of your computer.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 01:36:41 pm
Guys, my account at LTCgear was hacked today, all 11800 shares  were transferred to DobbyPot, he sells them now from my stolen BCT account ralexvalex for 0.0007,  PLEASE DO NOT BUY

pf, please be carefull that this do not happen to you. I think you could buy a laptop with the pool fund and solely used that laptop to access the LTCgear account. It would greatly reduce hacking of your computer.

All asset issuers should contact Chris about 2FA, I think I had a key-logger with TOR for awhile, Kaspersky did nothing at all. He also tried to go after my BTER, but they told him to :reset your 2FA:) 2FA is the only thing he could do nothing about




Bter Support (bter)

Nov 25 09:59

Dear Sir,
If you app is untouched, you may disable the 2 FA first (make sure you are safe to do so)with the valid totp. Then reset the device and install the app and enable the 2fa again


If your two-step authentication app fails to work, you may want it disabled first. Then you can login to enable it with new device.

If you want to disable the totp, the following information is required:

Your username, email associated to your username, a picture of your id card and a picture of your face and id card together(holding your id card besides your face and taking a picture).

You may also contact me for anything urgent via skype. My username: bter.com

Best Regards,
BTER.COM
 



Cryptorale
Cryptoralex

Nov 25 01:23

To cut a long story short I had to factory reset my phone and I am locked out of my Bter account;

Username: RAlex

Email: cryptoalex@gmail.com

Can I het some help please :)
 
 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: crumb-bum on November 26, 2014, 04:08:02 pm
pf, please be carefull that this do not happen to you. I think you could buy a laptop with the pool fund and solely used that laptop to access the LTCgear account. It would greatly reduce hacking of your computer.

Does LTC Gear send you the cryptos directly to your ltc (or drk or whatever) wallet or to an account at ltc gear? If the former, can you use multisig to make sure our loot is secure?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: JamesList on November 26, 2014, 04:44:57 pm

All asset issuers should contact Chris about 2FA, I think I had a key-logger with TOR for awhile, Kaspersky did nothing at all. He also tried to go after my BTER, but they told him to :reset your 2FA:) 2FA is the only thing he could do nothing about


Email: cryptoalex@gmail.com


Your gmail got hacked while you had 2FA activated?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 04:48:37 pm

All asset issuers should contact Chris about 2FA, I think I had a key-logger with TOR for awhile, Kaspersky did nothing at all. He also tried to go after my BTER, but they told him to :reset your 2FA:) 2FA is the only thing he could do nothing about


Email: cryptoalex@gmail.com


Your gmail got hacked while you had 2FA activated?

No, not on gmail. But hacker knew few of my accounts I suspect key-logger.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 04:50:27 pm
I strongly suggest to anyone having gmail to activate 2FA ASAP, he could do nothing with BTER and their 2FA.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on November 26, 2014, 04:53:22 pm

Chris sold the firsrt FPGA miner one year ago. His real name is known and he lives in Bulgaria. This is his tread: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.0

I would like to correct something if you don't mind, Alex ;)
He used to called by Chris, but it might be not his true name.
I think no one knows where he lives, actually. A friend of mine ordered the FPGA from him and it delivered from Rumania, so we assume that he lives in this country.

Quote

And i know people who have invested a $100k+
Personally i don't think that he will come out with a way better price in the near future. Personally my strategy is to invest a big chunk in new products without reinvesting till a new product comes out.

He got a registered company in Rumania but can't find the link again. It was in the long treads about ltcgear on bitcointalk 7-14 days ago. I've no time right now but will take a look later at it and update my post-
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 04:55:34 pm
I strongly suggest to anyone having gmail to activate 2FA ASAP, he could do nothing with BTER and their 2FA.

On the other hand, none of the gmail accounts had one-time password latter in them. What does that mean?
EDIT: Sorry pf for bumping this up, I hope this is important (to my assets at least)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 26, 2014, 06:51:59 pm
Guys, my account at LTCgear was hacked today, all 11800 shares  were transferred to DobbyPot, he sells them now from my stolen BCT account ralexvalex for 0.0007,  PLEASE DO NOT BUY

pf, please be carefull that this do not happen to you. I think you could buy a laptop with the pool fund and solely used that laptop to access the LTCgear account. It would greatly reduce hacking of your computer.

Hey Seb!
I have been very aware of this threat since the very beginning.  The only machine that I use for administration is actually my corporate laptop, which has Symantec Critical System Protection installed on it and it is actively monitored by our corporate security department.  (I am a solution architect for a multi-billion dollar company).  My laptop also fully uses Cisco Scan-Safe for all internet communications.   Symantec CSP is considered to be one of the forefront products in the entire world at protecting against 0-day threats, and so is Cisco scan-safe. :)
I also use 2FA protection on our LTCgear account which emails my corporate email account - I have zero worries about anyone breaching my corporate work account (as anyone even logging into it from an IP outside of my country will automatically lock my entire AD account at work).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 26, 2014, 06:55:52 pm
Guys, my account at LTCgear was hacked today, all 11800 shares  were transferred to DobbyPot, he sells them now from my stolen BCT account ralexvalex for 0.0007,  PLEASE DO NOT BUY

pf, please be carefull that this do not happen to you. I think you could buy a laptop with the pool fund and solely used that laptop to access the LTCgear account. It would greatly reduce hacking of your computer.

Hey Seb!
I have been very aware of this threat since the very beginning.  The only machine that I use for administration is actually my corporate laptop, which has Symantec Critical System Protection installed on it and it is actively monitored by our corporate security department.  (I am a solution architect for a multi-billion dollar company).  My laptop also fully uses Cisco Scan-Safe for all internet communications.   Symantec CSP is considered to be one of the forefront products in the entire world at protecting against 0-day threats, and so is Cisco scan-safe. :)
I also use 2FA protection on our LTCgear account which emails my corporate email account - I have zero worries about anyone breaching my corporate work account (as anyone even logging into it from an IP outside of my country will automatically lock my entire AD account at work).

Great.  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 26, 2014, 06:56:35 pm
pf, please be carefull that this do not happen to you. I think you could buy a laptop with the pool fund and solely used that laptop to access the LTCgear account. It would greatly reduce hacking of your computer.

Does LTC Gear send you the cryptos directly to your ltc (or drk or whatever) wallet or to an account at ltc gear? If the former, can you use multisig to make sure our loot is secure?
LTCgear sends directly to Cryptsy, which is secured with Google Authenticator. Usually from there I send the coin to BTER (also protected with Google 2FA) and then withdraw directly to wallet address.  Wallet passwords are protected in KeePass on the pool server (with a master password that has greater than 128 bits of entropy, and is backed up on a secure network at my day job. :))
All of the pool etc is protected at the firewall level using http://dome9.com which blocks all administrative access from everyone unless they log into dome9 with a 2FA token (which means even if someone hacked into my laptop, at my house, they still would be unable to connect to the pool unless they had my 2FA code for dome9) - dome9 also email notifies me any time anyone uses a 2FA token to request access for a set interval of time.)
The biggest security risk would be the actual VPS provider (which I also have Google Authenticator 2FA protecting).

I do corporate security stuff for a living. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 26, 2014, 06:58:17 pm
RAlex, I'm trying to get your former BCT account painted red for ya too.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 07:17:08 pm
RAlex, I'm trying to get your former BCT account painted red for ya too.

Thanks pf, I have my trust in you.
Thank you guys for supporting this. I know I messed up with TOR and no 2FA on gmail.

I need nothing from the community, just to let you know you need to be VERY careful at what you do (each click). If you think you are safe, like I did for the last 8 months, you are wrong, they are there to get you (LOL, Lesson learned). I did ignored some sighs like litecointalk  telling my IP was suspicious and the rest, just be careful, ok? Black Friday is coming in the US. I guess my new laptop with no internet EVER! is waiting for me somewhere.


RAlex
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 26, 2014, 07:29:10 pm
Help RAlex!
Go here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=240960) and help paint his account red! Give the account scammer feedback immediately!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 26, 2014, 07:33:38 pm
Interestingly enough it looks like there must have been a bunch of accounts breached off BCT.

Unless, RAlex, you did legimately sell shares to this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=150770
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: crumb-bum on November 26, 2014, 07:46:39 pm
Thanks, PF. That's reassuring.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: wiser on November 26, 2014, 09:59:27 pm
watching :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: RAlex on November 26, 2014, 10:51:42 pm
Interestingly enough it looks like there must have been a bunch of accounts breached off BCT.

Unless, RAlex, you did legimately sell shares to this guy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=150770


I did not. From what I see, BGanio was just a victim of the low prices.
Do your math. I have being stinking everywhere I can about this case. I know. I've being called everything for the last few days.

I do not need anything from you guys just, please be careful.
I thought I was fine for months (from the last reformat) with the latest Kaspersky and port controls on my router.


P.S.       No. Not quitting, I 'will have to buy new off-web laptop (GB Black Fridays)
RAlex
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: ifeng on November 27, 2014, 01:27:54 am
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 27, 2014, 02:17:35 am
I strongly suggest you look for more than a antivirus solution.  trend micros product deep security is excellent as is Symantec critical system protection. Both of these products do not rely only on traditional av definitions but rely on actual network protocol filtering and analysis to spot zero days attacks as they are happening.  They both would have prevented this 100 percent.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: pf on November 28, 2014, 01:33:30 am
I have removed the 1 NXT sell order.  It will be put up again once payouts are made tomorrow.  This is to prevent share dilution.  I strongly suggest that anyone looking to invest now just wait until tomorrow night when the sell order is back up, in order to avoid having to pay the huge markup that they would currently have to pay.

I also bought an additional 1.5 GH with ltcgear, taking the pool up to over 19 GH now.

Correction: long block.  Looks like anyone still wanting to buy HRLTCGEAR might sneak in one final order if they make this hella long block
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: ifeng on November 28, 2014, 01:41:50 am
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 28, 2014, 01:42:16 am
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Haha what the hell is with all of these posts???
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: titaniumjoe on November 28, 2014, 05:40:26 am
Wow! Nice work on the hashrate pf. And the asset in general! Keep up the good work:)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Ylluks on November 28, 2014, 08:08:57 am
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Haha what the hell is with all of these posts???

Im guessing they're all speechless on how great this asset is doing  8)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: maurover on November 28, 2014, 08:18:59 am
I just bought in yesterday. If your shares are out on a sell order do you still collect payout?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 28, 2014, 04:11:31 pm
I just bought in yesterday. If your shares are out on a sell order do you still collect payout?
Yeah, if your orders are on a sell order when the dividends get sent out, then you will still collect the dividend.
But if your sell order gets filled, whoever bought the sell order will collect the dividend instead.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 28, 2014, 04:12:31 pm
In terms of liquidity, I am sure that if anybody is looking to free up some of their HRLTCGEAR they could post a sell order of their own and quickly get back 100% of their original investment.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 28, 2014, 07:21:53 pm
Shit, I've managed to secure an additional 4.5 GH for literally $2.19 a MH using LTCgear coupon codes.  The orders have been placed and are just waiting for payout.  I will get the dividends sent as early as possible today so I can put the sell orders back up.
If anyone wants to buy HRLTCGEAR shares off AE please message me, I am trying to get together enough BTC to be able to pay for these orders before they expire.
tl;dr - jl7-kenobi, you are our only hope!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: ASNXT on November 28, 2014, 08:20:23 pm
Shit, I've managed to secure an additional 4.5 GH for literally $2.19 a MH using LTCgear coupon codes.  The orders have been placed and are just waiting for payout.  I will get the dividends sent as early as possible today so I can put the sell orders back up.
If anyone wants to buy HRLTCGEAR shares off AE please message me, I am trying to get together enough BTC to be able to pay for these orders before they expire.
tl;dr - jl7-kenobi, you are our only hope!

safety first? Risky game they were gently with the money of investors.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: escalicha on November 28, 2014, 10:06:52 pm
Shit, I've managed to secure an additional 4.5 GH for literally $2.19 a MH using LTCgear coupon codes.  The orders have been placed and are just waiting for payout.  I will get the dividends sent as early as possible today so I can put the sell orders back up.
If anyone wants to buy HRLTCGEAR shares off AE please message me, I am trying to get together enough BTC to be able to pay for these orders before they expire.
tl;dr - jl7-kenobi, you are our only hope!

I send you 2 PM and you dont respond me... :(
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: lopalcar on November 28, 2014, 10:15:30 pm
Shit, I've managed to secure an additional 4.5 GH for literally $2.19 a MH using LTCgear coupon codes.  The orders have been placed and are just waiting for payout.  I will get the dividends sent as early as possible today so I can put the sell orders back up.
If anyone wants to buy HRLTCGEAR shares off AE please message me, I am trying to get together enough BTC to be able to pay for these orders before they expire.
tl;dr - jl7-kenobi, you are our only hope!

I send you 2 PM and you dont respond me... :(
Same here... I bought 10k shares thursday but not going to invest more till he starts answer my PMs, he did the same time ago and seems he forget to answer... I don't like that attitude. I understand he is bussy, but when I see he posting in other threads or in this one and don't take some minutes answering my PM... well, fuck me pretty.
It's merely by respect to your investors, I'm not complaining how you manage the asset, you're doing it fine pf, but would be great if at least you send us a message saying us that you had read our message and will answer.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: ASNXT on November 28, 2014, 10:37:43 pm
Shit, I've managed to secure an additional 4.5 GH for literally $2.19 a MH using LTCgear coupon codes.  The orders have been placed and are just waiting for payout.  I will get the dividends sent as early as possible today so I can put the sell orders back up.
If anyone wants to buy HRLTCGEAR shares off AE please message me, I am trying to get together enough BTC to be able to pay for these orders before they expire.
tl;dr - jl7-kenobi, you are our only hope!

I send you 2 PM and you dont respond me... :(
Same here... I bought 10k shares thursday but not going to invest more till he starts answer my PMs, he did the same time ago and seems he forget to answer... I don't like that attitude. I understand he is bussy, but when I see he posting in other threads or in this one and don't take some minutes answering my PM... well, fuck me pretty.
It's merely by respect to your investors, I'm not complaining how you manage the asset, you're doing it fine pf, but would be great if at least you send us a message saying us that you had read our message and will answer.


It is a profit not only for the investors. Once have. Everyone benefits when?

My invest is only 4 weeks away.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Mexxer on November 28, 2014, 10:44:36 pm
You can read from his posts that he is on a business trip right now and probably doesn't have a lot of time and has a bunch of PM's waiting in his inbox.

Just wait. It's not like people are always online and answer right away.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: ASNXT on November 28, 2014, 10:49:12 pm
You can read from his posts that he is on a business trip right now and probably doesn't have a lot of time and has a bunch of PM's waiting in his inbox.

Just wait. It's not like people are always online and answer right away.

Importance is to each his own. My Respect has pf, unfortunately, the sensitivity is gone.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: maxll on November 29, 2014, 01:12:02 pm
Is there something goes wrong? Nothing dividents yet.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 29, 2014, 01:26:41 pm
Is there something goes wrong? Nothing dividents yet.

Do not worry, it is frequent that pf say that he will pay shortly but it take more time than he says...
(to pf ;) ).

There is a lot of money transfered every week and pf try to get the best deal he can. So it can take some time.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~13GH
Post by: bahamapascal on November 29, 2014, 01:29:50 pm
Is there something goes wrong? Nothing dividents yet.

Do not worry, it is frequent that pf say that he will pay shortly but it take more time than he says...
(to pf ;) ).

Should be sometime today, according to pf :

I have removed the 1 NXT sell order.  It will be put up again once payouts are made tomorrow.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 29, 2014, 06:25:26 pm
My flight got delayed home for 8 hours last night so I didn't get home until nearly 4 am. Dividends wil be going out within a few hours
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: BTCDDev on November 29, 2014, 10:53:04 pm
My flight got delayed home for 8 hours last night so I didn't get home until nearly 4 am. Dividends wil be going out within a few hours

great
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 29, 2014, 11:08:36 pm
Processing dividends now, you should be seeing them within the next 30 min. I will update this post with the weekly stats. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 77.5% return so far, 1.65 mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 30, 2014, 12:17:43 am
Amount paid, Account, TX
65750.37705846, NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2, 12342476971819120725
36514.09385631, NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN, 16224846521361559753
33867.49491586, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 15037571976134116735
16821.60343503, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 13664867845131025116
15594.7478245, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 9076499049823808367
14930.07020077, NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57, 18109981988877116962
14694.34346464, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 852750657115497768
14189.58321756, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 9132130578387373128
11214.40229002, NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86, 9721626863829291369
11214.40229002, NXT-W6G8-F4ES-MSTS-5269V, 2966275333598377696
11114.81839769, NXT-X5EF-HTB2-RLYU-HW8E7, 9987914557706178280
10146.2304719, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 913360060705605153
10064.92605529, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 8846039411355942209
8377.15851065, NXT-XW8Z-J9Q2-AUFT-HSAL4, 10244914302951024914
7858.60454876, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 8445607154589301381
7521.27532787, NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX, 16348198973984367936
7389.28181292, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 12190470943445595704
7180.02106619, NXT-B7ZF-X7GW-AUWE-863Z9, 10865422918859265934
6442.89840366, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 613353042883906109
6167.92125951, NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ, 6344166489237248127
6167.92125951, NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN, 13576478615015034303
6038.17062502, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 12086736106182624650
5607.20114501, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 47090082271973941
5382.91309921, NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE, 13394982047762250748
5281.9834786, NXT-GHAL-CD2K-HEEG-7PLBL, 1352944308152880949
4918.52470038, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 4781560984244541313
4917.51540417, NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW, 16663332692346765995
4710.04896181, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 3862165571319186121
4545.75796826, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 8531814046146054887
4508.18972059, NXT-G7J2-E8CU-TAT4-6D2N4, 9595862696018729535
4485.76091601, NXT-ZZWW-N6NH-P4PV-FJ5S9, 18126620079161525185
4440.90330685, NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL, 3155245430617205746
3857.75438777, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 14682064004030040981
3738.09671533, NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F, 16094969328966320372
3420.39269846, NXT-A3CC-YG8Z-HNFP-23QMS, 6767673390671377793
3364.32068701, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 2827679513756219175
3364.32068701, NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T, 3491708470907694977
3168.06864693, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 3597000922700690847
2803.60057251, NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT, 8747283666206536062
2571.35030108, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 17045268790387047486
2534.45491754, NXT-TC3X-B2FM-42EY-FPRF8, 4396789225613751781
2478.38290609, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 10875695845448281579
2467.1685038, NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA, 16976128792039973160
2467.1685038, NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5, 15025376587494244532
2440.14179429, NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8, 17397369829765101416
2326.98847518, NXT-RNEB-CMJR-ELLX-GZJMT, 17961229741725563141
2242.880458, NXT-8FEZ-DTFV-MQYS-7UKXW, 16807224453385698902
2214.84445228, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 14210337363080837489
1949.06311801, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 17767511078762955751
1850.37637785, NXT-2VD5-3VPM-KYES-6A5BT, 12615248582437135489
1682.1603435, NXT-J698-WN8Q-XR8A-92TLD, 15192156894280839976
1681.37533534, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 3788634914252812585
1539.73743442, NXT-X5SD-X2YY-E4S9-GG9HX, 13051525087983903362
1479.06751803, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 7492089984801524546
1463.47949885, NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93, 8816273571306032534
1424.90195497, NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS, 11277634229028482927
1345.7282748, NXT-RNCR-YXDZ-V866-BS5RX, 14347148861138679266
1332.4952801, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 6196094355537855926
1278.44186106, NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT, 2989282079395103499
1240.76146937, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 4534170115417533703
1237.5092927, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 76321992448806090
1233.5842519, NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY, 10244470680511198686
1233.5842519, NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG, 7663123474630662944
1233.5842519, NXT-2KH6-CUX7-RYC6-4S45F, 9736507975356513095
1166.52212621, NXT-VK9R-AXKX-H82L-BAFDV, 7015762896180597521
1121.440229, NXT-YX4X-QNQU-WKZC-AXNE5, 13081191348251802738
1121.440229, NXT-NH53-QEG6-NG4U-6D9DZ, 6420027742108721825
1121.440229, NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS, 3404403931414155119
1121.440229, NXT-PHEY-L75X-LZRH-8X29X, 9145918981322489610
1121.440229, NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7, 10728356332864945659
1121.440229, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 17752227841214859657
1110.22582671, NXT-DHL3-UJKW-JJAG-6R9BJ, 4157893387330147926
1009.2962061, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 2584664093028765666
969.1486459, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 6663966087169237026
968.70006981, NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9, 11854291103655054906
878.19984333, NXT-MDBD-9G7U-WD6U-8WFPL, 16699997318158060420
773.79375801, NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT, 6519564304311217851
757.0842986, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 3188828725959532598
752.93496975, NXT-T2DW-9WYH-DF2J-B2QFE, 11315334645291505720
678.47133855, NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K, 15523020091994537006
560.7201145, NXT-RQ59-49XB-A8H4-DBR6G, 20870113488637813
560.7201145, NXT-ZX4M-M4DS-WAKR-8FT76, 13054684568942031596
557.69222588, NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T, 16625170787138902392
514.74106511, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 14847288851958893126
488.16293168, NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX, 3689700548123407833
487.82649962, NXT-N969-VBNG-QJD9-H3S9V, 8850967729632430696
484.68646697, NXT-Q6AS-486F-W3PC-7B5LB, 16544222310240326817
471.00489618, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 16108805833856612859
460.46335803, NXT-PK6M-CQDA-7UEZ-4T4CR, 3131462845003684438
450.25825194, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 8676768820370061029
448.5760916, NXT-JLHA-5ZP4-2339-4ZXHX, 6964875318450968607
437.36168931, NXT-8573-EJTH-JSWS-GH5FG, 18233081593313016415
418.29720542, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 16282910895491527278
392.50408015, NXT-NRGJ-86TR-QBUU-D2C3S, 4112001437553848665
386.33615889, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 2731367455523231214
375.34604465, NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD, 11907783627607070847
370.07527557, NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF, 12915796691471277556
370.07527557, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 17715614303965073246
370.07527557, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 12833228885416148503
347.1978949, NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3, 3671478163927545210
336.4320687, NXT-Z9BG-6MGD-NT7D-HPV7S, 2905203912560134302
336.4320687, NXT-5294-T9F6-WAWK-9V7WM, 9363131081842158520
336.4320687, NXT-LTLB-WLM9-4X6U-8L5PT, 13853733550921242250
336.4320687, NXT-XK4J-RN7N-UTMV-AANJ5, 15027439848878110870
332.39488388, NXT-MZDS-L4PU-WMMK-CGA46, 5693596008201180439
325.55409848, NXT-ACJB-46Q5-2Y86-6A8XE, 10937013841607720611
320.73190549, NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6, 4302208628841803303
304.5831662, NXT-FMM2-7E76-DKZ2-6ARKE, 7816751036082973309
296.06022046, NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778, 9757355564739599263
258.82840485, NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS, 14719386085018691212
246.71685038, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 14248515721801625039
246.71685038, NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22, 2083861041630202680
238.9789128, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 15454379429449379995
238.19390464, NXT-EUH2-Y9LT-J54V-EPB56, 5983651138376658940
224.2880458, NXT-8T88-RJHB-QE2X-H4TXW, 16275808920962967772
224.2880458, NXT-ND7Z-BKP8-9YVX-HSBV2, 4143977512337587192
224.2880458, NXT-RNWA-UN2A-GREA-6W666, 7489166897472635702
195.13059985, NXT-BDK7-3JBD-GFA8-ATX73, 17562304857852053773
190.64483893, NXT-2L4G-2KTP-7YKJ-HZNJY, 554768974128443605
188.40195847, NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW, 8835014968172917153
185.03763779, NXT-ZR6Q-2DBZ-JTZP-5Q6ZK, 17155764527971353601
184.1404856, NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2, 12653986963489729864
178.30899641, NXT-WD4Y-CNVP-V8K8-CJDS9, 9923378668899962657
168.21603435, NXT-4WUN-CK3J-EKX2-D996Q, 5256999002457585369
164.40313757, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 9017600622893401762
159.24451252, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 5723970620708355
149.15155046, NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM, 12119410790719609050
145.78722977, NXT-LU2L-BW3T-V8DE-3HGCK, 11096168262829649881
140.18002863, NXT-6BLV-3QZM-HMMQ-6Y5LZ, 15974232354271598507
136.81570794, NXT-ATPB-JE97-MVFB-E9WWD, 13285581569751054633
135.69426771, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 1375942715132706265
132.10565898, NXT-76CF-3FFB-9RKM-EBFUT, 4052461457751275720
123.35842519, NXT-BT7K-KX8C-784T-EZ3WG, 6530181964055251650
122.68556105, NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84, 8817997340835520461
116.18120772, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 8761628357090103980
116.0690637, NXT-QCXP-YL3N-3SYS-EZX5T, 14703703201036569725
112.1440229, NXT-CAX4-MZMY-K8GG-FCCTW, 9605474622386247541
112.1440229, NXT-VZQE-9H65-K3E3-2ESE2, 1661671983973403086
98.68674015, NXT-S96S-MDZY-UKG8-2ACBP, 10582032772022836169
92.51881889, NXT-UWJU-XXST-3MPQ-2JWG7, 13541711933020140269
86.57518568, NXT-RS35-KXYB-YXTP-8URLL, 6531322601561790935
62.6885088, NXT-UD68-KH7T-EL2A-3XH2F, 8887882823596950377
50.46481031, NXT-Y84Q-348T-K7LB-HHSZS, 10000102117460878391
45.75476134, NXT-UVQG-94MW-EFBK-FMGSK, 1096198269002202891
40.37184824, NXT-9ZLZ-3KVZ-Y77N-AC8ZF, 11863936245817657251
39.25040802, NXT-T3FL-U6TS-G7R5-6TUNR, 7633594693394671994
37.00752756, NXT-ARPS-CRKJ-XP9M-D69VM, 7085869050245258459
36.44680744, NXT-MRCR-CCU5-SZVY-BJACF, 6368171880960382908
30.27888618, NXT-8CZB-A2NB-S646-94CSV, 17574518326804576846
28.82101389, NXT-V35S-6QQE-B6XH-6LPUR, 7161707760632005919
24.11096492, NXT-6CQC-3GWL-HNQY-2899F, 10249652593720467254
22.20451653, NXT-S75C-K4F3-8QDM-9T6V8, 18066962547809072633
18.50376378, NXT-N7RK-A54P-8ACE-8AAZD, 7187977131594116089
18.50376378, NXT-T4NN-P4PW-P4Z3-BWSBY, 16542780920100918023
12.33584252, NXT-44HE-6Z3Y-N2ZL-E9ZPW, 16450913997309421797
12.33584252, NXT-KUQ3-SYHL-E4BE-B2BL5, 2213398244155378617
12.33584252, NXT-QNWR-YJ2B-G295-9HXTY, 15973969731260453609
12.33584252, NXT-9ZGK-XCJS-UG7H-CBVAK, 8314970056598869563
11.21440229, NXT-6M8X-64FV-9B9P-6VHQK, 14786136406083896820
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------------All transactions processed------------


~11.5% weekly return.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on November 30, 2014, 12:19:56 am
Sell order back up, if we sell enough shares I may still have time to get the LTCGear orders paid for that are like $2.19 / MH.
If we don't get the funds together in time, then that sucks, but I've got the orders already open and on-hold waiting to be paid.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: BTCDDev on November 30, 2014, 01:10:19 am
Nice!  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: printshop on November 30, 2014, 01:14:47 am
11114.81839769, NXT-X5EF-HTB2-RLYU-HW8E7, 9987914557706178280
~11.5% weekly return.

Thank you  8)


(http://media1.giphy.com/media/14qa6jf3Xf6ftu/200.gif)

guys im getting popcorn in my keyboard, jeez

Hi pf, just curious but why are you encouraging him? It's not nice.

The other thing is, based on everything you have said to me on skype and PM, I have to make a purchase decision very soon, whether or not to sink another 100k into HRLTCGEAR or not. You seem a little queasy / antagonistic over the idea of us going with you as a sole provider. Do you want SafeHash investing into HRLTCGear, knowing what that means? I'm giving you the opportunity to give me an excuse I can pass on, so as why we shouldn't invest large amounts of money into HRLTCGEAR. It's really the last offer I can make to you at this point without a firm commitment on you one way or the other.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: PureVision on November 30, 2014, 06:47:43 am
11114.81839769, NXT-X5EF-HTB2-RLYU-HW8E7, 9987914557706178280
~11.5% weekly return.

Thank you  8)


(http://media1.giphy.com/media/14qa6jf3Xf6ftu/200.gif)

guys im getting popcorn in my keyboard, jeez

Hi pf, just curious but why are you encouraging him? It's not nice.

The other thing is, based on everything you have said to me on skype and PM, I have to make a purchase decision very soon, whether or not to sink another 100k into HRLTCGEAR or not. You seem a little queasy / antagonistic over the idea of us going with you as a sole provider. Do you want SafeHash investing into HRLTCGear, knowing what that means? I'm giving you the opportunity to give me an excuse I can pass on, so as why we shouldn't invest large amounts of money into HRLTCGEAR. It's really the last offer I can make to you at this point without a firm commitment on you one way or the other.

If you talked with pf over pm, maybe it would be a good idea to keep it in pm...
What's the point of this message? Bullying, putting extra pressure on pf to get a better deal?
Sleezy bussiness tactics in my eyes...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: printshop on November 30, 2014, 07:15:38 am
What's the point of this message? Bullying, putting extra pressure on pf to get a better deal?
Sleezy bussiness tactics in my eyes...

Maybe you should buy new glasses? We invited PF to work with us on a special project and we almost exclusively buy HRLTCGear for our fund. If that isn't an endorsement of pf, I don't know what is.

No offense but you don't need to be so hyper-aggressive. As a new poster here, why not watch and observe a bit before commenting on situations you're not involved in?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: maurover on November 30, 2014, 08:26:10 pm
Cha Cha Cha Ching!!! I love it! thanks for the work you do and for giving the community this opportunity.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 30, 2014, 08:46:48 pm
Anyone know the size in GH/S of LTCgear?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: maurover on November 30, 2014, 08:56:25 pm
Sell order back up, if we sell enough shares I may still have time to get the LTCGear orders paid for that are like $2.19 / MH.
If we don't get the funds together in time, then that sucks, but I've got the orders already open and on-hold waiting to be paid.
your being undercut by .00000001
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 12:10:14 am

Hi pf, just curious but why are you encouraging him? It's not nice.

The other thing is, based on everything you have said to me on skype and PM, I have to make a purchase decision very soon, whether or not to sink another 100k into HRLTCGEAR or not. You seem a little queasy / antagonistic over the idea of us going with you as a sole provider. Do you want SafeHash investing into HRLTCGear, knowing what that means? I'm giving you the opportunity to give me an excuse I can pass on, so as why we shouldn't invest large amounts of money into HRLTCGEAR. It's really the last offer I can make to you at this point without a firm commitment on you one way or the other.
Your message confuses me a bit.  "Knowing what that means"? What I do know is that HRLTCGEAR is the best performing asset on the AE on a week over week basis, and likely still will be.  I'm not trying to sway you into either buying into it or not (I haven't tried to influence anyone into buying it) - feel free to sell all of your holdings if you'd prefer to concentrate on other mining assets, I just assure you that they most likely won't perform as well as this one.
:)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: ifeng on December 01, 2014, 12:50:25 am
Nice. :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: printshop on December 01, 2014, 02:27:24 am

Hi pf, just curious but why are you encouraging him? It's not nice.

The other thing is, based on everything you have said to me on skype and PM, I have to make a purchase decision very soon, whether or not to sink another 100k into HRLTCGEAR or not. You seem a little queasy / antagonistic over the idea of us going with you as a sole provider. Do you want SafeHash investing into HRLTCGear, knowing what that means? I'm giving you the opportunity to give me an excuse I can pass on, so as why we shouldn't invest large amounts of money into HRLTCGEAR. It's really the last offer I can make to you at this point without a firm commitment on you one way or the other.
Your message confuses me a bit.  "Knowing what that means"? What I do know is that HRLTCGEAR is the best performing asset on the AE on a week over week basis, and likely still will be.  I'm not trying to sway you into either buying into it or not (I haven't tried to influence anyone into buying it) - feel free to sell all of your holdings if you'd prefer to concentrate on other mining assets, I just assure you that they most likely won't perform as well as this one.
:)

I was just asking because when you told me you were afraid of getting your name on paper with the CRA I was thinking, well, "he's got to know I will be declaring the assets of the corporation, so, does he really want me investing in his security?"

But don't worry, I'm going to move forward with what we talked about without you. As for highest paying asset, well that was the point wasn't it?

The thought that printshop has retained legal counsel and is squandering away hundreds of dollars for every hour of "legal advice" is horrifying to me.  I think anyone that has read up on the Ryan Kennedy/Alex Green debacle has been left with a bad taste in their mouths for people who cry lawyer.

Although I agree with okaynow that this is likely just hot air.  If not, it definitely is a good mis-use of funds.

I'm detecting a hint of antagonism. Look, if you don't want to be involved in the project fine, but don't make yourself a sore loser.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: m30188 on December 01, 2014, 03:36:31 am
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l43/irishnoname/professor_and_maryann.gif)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: wiser on December 01, 2014, 05:11:17 am
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Wongi on December 01, 2014, 12:21:10 pm
Thank you for the nice dividend payout pf. Keep up your excellent work.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 03:33:39 pm
Just for the record, printshop, I can see that you're selling all of your HRLTCGEAR assets and trying to launch your own copycat asset "BearMining" - best of luck with that.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 01, 2014, 03:56:17 pm
Hey pf,

You might want to check your PMs ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 04:35:09 pm
Hey pf,

You might want to check your PMs ;)
Read & Replied. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 05:04:47 pm
Come on guys, buy up those people selling at less than 1 NXT so we can buy up some more MH at $2.16 a MH.
I've added 700 MH so far this morning, have orders in place for another 7 GH more (I will pay for as many of these orders as we raise NXT today)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 01, 2014, 05:11:16 pm
Is there a deadline for those $2.16/MH orders?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 05:14:52 pm
Is there a deadline for those $2.16/MH orders?
I'm trying to figure that out. I've had orders that have been on-hold for ~3 days before process fine once I paid for them in the past.  That was before this last round of coupon codes though.

I have 12 GH in orders from Friday still on hold that I haven't paid for yet (but Chris had mentioned cancelling all of those orders - I have emailed him to ask him about that).
Today's orders are in the system waiting for payment - I wouldn't be surprised if he cancels all of the pending orders at some point (to prevent people from gaming the system exactly like this and reserving products with the Thanksgiving coupons only to pay for them later)
I'd like to get as many of them paid for as possible in the next 24 hours (although who knows, maybe they will all stay on hold for 4-5 days)

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: marek3ball on December 01, 2014, 05:33:07 pm
Nice project! What percentage of reinvestment is now suggested to keep mining running with ltc rising diff?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: printshop on December 01, 2014, 06:46:41 pm
Just for the record, printshop, I can see that you're selling all of your HRLTCGEAR assets and trying to launch your own copycat asset "BearMining" - best of luck with that.

(http://i.imgur.com/h1zkcO0.png) (http://imgur.com/h1zkcO0)

Not sure why you are bringing it up, but being completely fair -- just for the record -- you were given every opportunity to participate as an equal partner. I have no idea where your passive agressive hostility is coming from. It's unprofessional.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 01, 2014, 06:50:41 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/h1zkcO0.png) (http://imgur.com/h1zkcO0)

funny nonsense graphic.

EDiT: for the info, HRLTXGear is running since 09.10.2014, much more than ~20 days...
I'm tired of you printshop, i'm about to put you on my ignore list (the first one ever). You seem like a nice guy at the beginning, but you are like roulette.... Why don't you go back in your thread and answer oknow question. I would like to know the answer too.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: printshop on December 01, 2014, 07:53:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/h1zkcO0.png) (http://imgur.com/h1zkcO0)

funny nonsense graphic.

EDiT: for the info, HRLTXGear is running since 09.10.2014, much more than ~20 days...
I'm tired of you printshop, i'm about to put you on my ignore list (the first one ever). You seem like a nice guy at the beginning, but you are like roulette.... Why don't you go back in your thread and answer oknow question. I would like to know the answer too.

I'm just here because pf decided to write a message commenting on my asset that contained incorrect information. If pf didn't want me posting on his thread, why did he mention my name and my asset in a message addressed to me? If you don't like it, complain to pf!

Anyways, the chart is from November 1st. If you have a question you would like me to answer regarding my assets, politely post it on my asset thread and I promise you I will answer it.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~19+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 08:26:24 pm
700 more MH added, 20.5 GH now.
Still have several more orders I can pay for if we sell enough shares today.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 01, 2014, 10:11:11 pm
How many more do you need to sell?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 01, 2014, 10:41:17 pm
As many as possible, lol.
I have ~7 GH of orders on hold, I just want to pay for as many as possible.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: escalicha on December 01, 2014, 11:07:42 pm
As many as possible, lol.
I have ~7 GH of orders on hold, I just want to pay for as many as possible.

I dont underestand why you dont respond the PM.... Its crazy if you get profit...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: BitVenture on December 02, 2014, 02:18:03 am
Can someone explain how to set up automatic reinvestment. (newbie to nxt)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 02, 2014, 04:44:44 am
As many as possible, lol.
I have ~7 GH of orders on hold, I just want to pay for as many as possible.

If you pay out shift 217 on the pool I can pick up at least another hundred :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 02, 2014, 05:11:27 am
You have a challenge right now, in that there are close to 40,000 shares sitting on the AE that are undercutting your major sell order of shares at 1 NXT.

Wondering if you need to hold off on more orders until those get sold?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 02, 2014, 03:25:31 pm
You have a challenge right now, in that there are close to 40,000 shares sitting on the AE that are undercutting your major sell order of shares at 1 NXT.

Wondering if you need to hold off on more orders until those get sold?

He probably should buy them back with the issuer account then resell them. ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: hurrikaani on December 02, 2014, 06:48:23 pm
Can someone explain how to set up automatic reinvestment. (newbie to nxt)

I dont think it's operational yet on this asset, even though pf has promised. :) Just buy new shares with the dividends you receive, asset price is fixed.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 02, 2014, 08:00:46 pm
Can someone explain how to set up automatic reinvestment. (newbie to nxt)

Send an AM to the Asset Issuer account. I think the OP explains that. But, pf has yet to payout dividends in assets. I think it is in his plan.

Paying the 1 NXT to just manually re-invest has been pretty simple.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 02, 2014, 09:03:59 pm
Correct, people have had to manually reinvest up until now.
Added another 1.4 GH today by the way.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 03, 2014, 04:27:49 pm
The LTCGEAR store appears to be out of stock and sounds like it will remain so until next payouts.
I am removing the sell order to prevent diluting the existing shares.
I am also looking to buy some LTCGEAR shares person-to-person, if Alzen still reads this thread. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on December 03, 2014, 08:51:02 pm
The LTCGEAR store appears to be out of stock and sounds like it will remain so until next payouts.
I am removing the sell order to prevent diluting the existing shares.
I am also looking to buy some LTCGEAR shares person-to-person, if Alzen still reads this thread. :)

I could offer you 0.00058BTC per shares /15k max atm.

PM me if interested.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 04, 2014, 03:31:39 pm
PM sent
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 04, 2014, 04:48:09 pm
We are ~24.5 GH now.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~20.5+GH
Post by: escalicha on December 04, 2014, 05:49:06 pm
PM sent

Not to me after 3 PM...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 05, 2014, 01:29:16 pm
Pf is Chris?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 05, 2014, 03:27:55 pm
Pf is Chris?
lol no
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 05, 2014, 04:37:43 pm
Pf is Chris?
lol no

Ha ok
So who are you? lol
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 05, 2014, 04:48:48 pm
Pf is Chris?
lol no

Ha ok
So who are you? lol

lol
I am pf!
I've been around these parts forever, I run hashrate.org
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: bahamapascal on December 06, 2014, 12:02:02 am
When is pay out? Now that I have some shares, I can't wait to get my first dividents roling in :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 06, 2014, 12:25:59 am
When is pay out? Now that I have some shares, I can't wait to get my first dividents roling in :D

Probably tomorrow sometime, but pf would be the one to ask ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 06, 2014, 01:50:49 am
Pf is Chris?
lol no

Ha ok
So who are you? lol

lol
I am pf!
I've been around these parts forever, I run hashrate.org

Ok question
If LTCGear close his door tomorrow for X reason
We are Mindfoxed or there is a possibility that you buy back all the asset?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 06, 2014, 02:01:10 am
Pf is Chris?
lol no

Ha ok
So who are you? lol

lol
I am pf!
I've been around these parts forever, I run hashrate.org

Ok question
If LTCGear close his door tomorrow for X reason
We are Mindfoxed or there is a possibility that you buy back all the asset?
Since the asset is an aggregated passthru, if LTCgear stopped paying, then HRLTCgear is still passing through what it is getting. Of course, in this event the value will drop, but this is not the responsibility of HRLTCgear.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 06, 2014, 02:16:21 am
When is pay out? Now that I have some shares, I can't wait to get my first dividents roling in :D

Probably tomorrow sometime, but pf would be the one to ask ;)
Still waiting for payout from LTCgear.  It should be coming through in the next 2-3 hours.  I hope to get the dividend sent out still tonight, but it could possibly be as late as the first part of tomorrow.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 06, 2014, 03:36:49 am
I'm having a bit of an early night, so dividends will be going out tomorrow morning. I expect they will all be sent out by noon PST tomorrow.

Thanks for your patience all!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 06, 2014, 01:21:08 pm
Pf is Chris?
lol no

Ha ok
So who are you? lol

lol
I am pf!
I've been around these parts forever, I run hashrate.org

Ok question
If LTCGear close his door tomorrow for X reason
We are Mindfoxed or there is a possibility that you buy back all the asset?
Since the asset is an aggregated passthru, if LTCgear stopped paying, then HRLTCgear is still passing through what it is getting. Of course, in this event the value will drop, but this is not the responsibility of HRLTCgear.

James

Ok
And why invest in HRLTCGEAR asset is better than buy asic shares directly to LTCGEAR website?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 06, 2014, 01:49:32 pm
Ok
And why invest in HRLTCGEAR asset is better than buy asic shares directly to LTCGEAR website?

It's just more convenient.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 06, 2014, 03:00:08 pm
the payouts are delayed because of some fund transfer issues from ltcgear. so the eta is delayed by 24 to 48 hours.

here is the official announcement at https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22563.1560

Code: [Select]
Hi guys,

I am awake staring at the scripts, waiting for confirms too.
Thing is that there were several instances when consistent amount of coins were sort of double spent, because the software didn't proper wait for confirm to move forward with the sends.
I had to stop, move on manually, recheck every transaction, all under cold sweat. Ah, and for the record, I think this time was the first time I saw LTC daemon freezing because of network traffic.
And there is a very long list of things to do tomorrow..
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 06, 2014, 04:42:49 pm
Ok
And why invest in HRLTCGEAR asset is better than buy asic shares directly to LTCGEAR website?

It's just more convenient.

Investing in an asset is also MUCH more liquid
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 06, 2014, 06:36:41 pm
Still waiting on LTCgear.
I have emailed Chris to try and get an update on an ETA.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 06, 2014, 08:31:19 pm
Ok
And why invest in HRLTCGEAR asset is better than buy asic shares directly to LTCGEAR website?

It's just more convenient.

Also, it creates buy support for NXT.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 06, 2014, 09:13:09 pm
Hum ok
Did you see the 2nd gen asic presale?

http://ltcgear.com/product/2nd-gen-pre-asic-share-10-unit/

Is it interesting?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 06, 2014, 09:56:31 pm
Hum ok
Did you see the 2nd gen asic presale?

http://ltcgear.com/product/2nd-gen-pre-asic-share-10-unit/

Is it interesting?
I will look at the new LTCgear items once I get this week's payouts. :)
So far as progress Chris has completed 2 of the 3 orders  that were stuck on-hold.  It is my guess he is completing all of the on-hold orders before doing our payouts.  Our two on-hold from the 1st have now been completed, there is one more on-hold from the 4th.
I will update this thread once I see that we have recieved our payout.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 07, 2014, 03:15:53 am
Hum ok
Did you see the 2nd gen asic presale?

http://ltcgear.com/product/2nd-gen-pre-asic-share-10-unit/

Is it interesting?
I will look at the new LTCgear items once I get this week's payouts. :)
So far as progress Chris has completed 2 of the 3 orders  that were stuck on-hold.  It is my guess he is completing all of the on-hold orders before doing our payouts.  Our two on-hold from the 1st have now been completed, there is one more on-hold from the 4th.
I will update this thread once I see that we have recieved our payout.

Thanks
Question, Chris pay u in BTC and then you converted in nxt before distributing to the asset holders?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: TwinWinNerD on December 07, 2014, 03:23:28 am
So your are saying you already have about 2% of LTC hashrate? Wow, nice. Soon NXT will have sucked out all the life of LTC and other minable coins :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: futurist on December 07, 2014, 03:39:38 am
So your are saying you already have about 2% of LTC hashrate? Wow, nice. Soon NXT will have sucked out all the life of LTC and other minable coins :D

(http://i2.wp.com/amazingbeautifulworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/2.-The-Gorbals-Vampire.jpg?zoom%201.5%20resize%20630%2C331)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 07, 2014, 05:31:00 am
still no info from LTCGear?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: yiiy on December 07, 2014, 06:22:39 am
ADMIN!!!  futu is demon  :o
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 07, 2014, 07:47:12 am
Ok
And why invest in HRLTCGEAR asset is better than buy asic shares directly to LTCGEAR website?

It's just more convenient.

Also, it creates buy support for NXT.
so does buying nxt.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 05:19:53 pm
Payout from LTCGear finally recieved, doing dividends right now.
Just waiting on a BTC xfer out of Cryptsy, should be within the hour at most.


Ugh, waiting for cryptsy to refill it's hot wallet.  nothing is going quickly this weekend, lol
dividends will be just shy of 28 btc.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 07, 2014, 05:41:44 pm
Payout from LTCGear finally recieved, doing dividends right now.
Just waiting on a BTC xfer out of Cryptsy, should be within the hour at most.

Good to hear!

What is your plan for chris's 2nd gen asics?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 05:52:37 pm
Payout from LTCGear finally recieved, doing dividends right now.
Just waiting on a BTC xfer out of Cryptsy, should be within the hour at most.

Good to hear!

What is your plan for chris's 2nd gen asics?
We will buy some soon as I get dividends sent out and sell some more shares. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 07, 2014, 06:33:48 pm
Hey,

I'm brand new here, just a quick question. If I understand correctly each asset == 1 share is that it ? So if I buy 100 assets, every friday I'll get the weekly payout of 100 shares but paid in nxt.

Or am I missing something ?

 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 07, 2014, 06:44:39 pm
Hey,

I'm brand new here, just a quick question. If I understand correctly each asset == 1 share is that it ? So if I buy 100 assets, every friday I'll get the weekly payout of 100 shares but paid in nxt.

Or am I missing something ?

"asset" is just another word for "share". They are the same thing.
And if you buy 100 assets of HRLTCGEAR you will receive about 10-12 NXT every week, not 100.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 07, 2014, 06:54:59 pm
Sorry I meant what's the ration between this asset and the ltcgear shares ? How many HRLTCGEAR are equivalent to 1 qAsic share ?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 07, 2014, 07:03:43 pm
Sorry I meant what's the ration between this asset and the ltcgear shares ? How many HRLTCGEAR are equivalent to 1 qAsic share ?

There is no clear answer to that because that depends on the ltcgear share price, the nxt price and the deals pf is able to get.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 07:07:37 pm
Ugh, still waiting on a cryptsy withdrawal that they have to refill their hot wallet for:

BitCoin   1CRy2zT5HoCZgaxe44C2RC73JedTBaVkPz   27.95340000 BTC   Yes   2014-12-07 12:20:55
Pending

Soon as that goes through dividends will be sent out.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: m30188 on December 07, 2014, 07:16:01 pm
PoW miners who buy physical gear, do so without expectations of ever selling the hardware back. Isn't the price of an HRLTCGEAR share a sunk cost? I'm concerned that some investors have expectations of selling back their shares at some point, which isn't possible for everyone to do.

Is my logic wrong here?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 07, 2014, 08:36:34 pm
Ok
And why invest in HRLTCGEAR asset is better than buy asic shares directly to LTCGEAR website?

It's just more convenient.

Also, it creates buy support for NXT.
so does buying nxt.

Really? But, people buying directly from LTC Gear get paid in LTC/BTC.

The biggest benefit for me was that I could invest in LTCGear shares without committing $800 upfront.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 09:03:16 pm
Escalated my Cryptsy ticket with Horus, he put it through right away.  Dividends will be soon. 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 07, 2014, 09:04:48 pm
Escalated my Cryptsy ticket with Horus, he put it through right away.  Dividends will be ASAP.

YEA! Are we getting NXT or assets?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 09:44:55 pm
Our initial investors hit 100% ROI this week.
11% return on investment, bringing the total for week 1 investors to 100%.

The crazy thing is that other assets are claiming to have twice the KH/share that we offer, yet they don't seem to have twice the dividends that we have.

TXN numbers shortly, sorry for the delayed dividends.  I will be putting up the sell order again shortly.
and hrnxtpool will pay out within the hour too.

Amount paid, Account, TX
60360.76530812, NXT-V9HG-HQ5F-YTFK-BEYC2, 8638623555720506206
39794.20636495, NXT-XC69-VUCR-ZM6J-5TBUN, 15186337359070794847
33143.54749646, NXT-262D-BWU3-C7NJ-B4A4B, 6320559668577950315
31433.03315447, NXT-ZZWW-N6NH-P4PV-FJ5S9, 16672904807332808036
20630.21211386, NXT-68JE-7DG5-J6VJ-BV3JM, 10580158276114401436
18437.47013048, NXT-FLFU-9XTU-YHD5-7WR86, 3135102988757582878
17017.34594305, NXT-F87Z-VNC2-A28A-2ZHYW, 13289447602571045752
16477.28171381, NXT-8UNC-QVL6-43W7-9KMFT, 14246336073494430230
14610.92685048, NXT-UDHN-A4VD-JMWP-GQY57, 15168510105807161401
13886.26842625, NXT-R7SM-95YT-MZ4Z-6M3T9, 9569421133077819988
13528.49370824, NXT-7R8S-X9GD-W3M9-DWCX2, 16394255706471251554
13169.62152177, NXT-G8BT-FHN8-SZQG-G3FRC, 2034126929945834586
12352.00751896, NXT-WMJR-C8ET-7Z36-FVDQW, 13090571680844954822
10974.68460148, NXT-W6G8-F4ES-MSTS-5269V, 3629069617234536312
9877.21614133, NXT-SQBJ-6RU2-G6U6-9LRJD, 3338619938930961397
7693.25390564, NXT-FRS2-MQR5-758P-ANNEX, 4530983232618596364
7690.61998133, NXT-T6XN-KVAB-L7Y4-AGZJ9, 3947224822350536438
7231.32943076, NXT-6RKA-ZVFL-VBS6-7D2EP, 5447903228583168829
7011.06751081, NXT-R3DM-JL5U-QATR-9XELX, 7643986690747635
6979.89940654, NXT-LTUS-KDUV-XK97-3XMEL, 11387845305295479945
6036.07653081, NXT-EEV3-LGUF-JC43-F7NNN, 13915271532477128700
5619.58725019, NXT-RMEB-W7TE-28EM-2SUM7, 16103428223466072926
5487.34230074, NXT-PJ4S-P5MU-LFBV-6ARBY, 13936122711887078185
5487.34230074, NXT-SU7K-QRWR-KF84-32ELE, 12934825733582404115
4813.38691936, NXT-UAPC-3T43-FFT6-HW5BZ, 2483424577709863022
4609.36753262, NXT-ZJHC-Y5D7-DAN7-4RD6W, 3403979381808807631
4448.58840321, NXT-KB63-98AB-PQJN-GTB6C, 8660580278782786227
4389.87384059, NXT-86BJ-XAAD-3KPN-6XQZV, 15441066611354227736
4389.87384059, NXT-8FEZ-DTFV-MQYS-7UKXW, 8506834516670246509
4067.21811331, NXT-G7J2-E8CU-TAT4-6D2N4, 10165491852814321460
3731.3927645, NXT-A3CC-YG8Z-HNFP-23QMS, 15316569569696850945
3658.19161821, NXT-T7WF-CHQ3-A473-8H36F, 14325013636550698073
3325.54892794, NXT-HEXJ-6MUN-37CN-FFTRQ, 5016351714414611333
3292.40538044, NXT-CJT2-DYBH-VSU5-H525T, 4771495782096984060
3292.40538044, NXT-FDW8-THXX-PY8X-9VK6M, 14355876117120541262
3212.18043601, NXT-BNL2-8M6L-TYVJ-3BDC8, 17481361090592022820
3182.65853443, NXT-YX4X-QNQU-WKZC-AXNE5, 7422856187954898012
3119.99308535, NXT-2CZZ-V98K-NBVJ-2YHDM, 15852241314159005578
3100.34839992, NXT-7LUP-MRCU-VHAB-C5XXJ, 7323742873487801444
2709.6496281, NXT-TC3X-B2FM-42EY-FPRF8, 987773940192059920
2414.43061232, NXT-3KVZ-NF4B-36V2-7B9YA, 2855569770851309567
2414.43061232, NXT-G3ZG-DFJR-C4VX-AVNK5, 7410435365180597339
2304.68376631, NXT-MAEF-Y5ND-K63M-4ZPCG, 1072943518007186179
2231.59236686, NXT-T2KD-BYMP-GGNT-3JG27, 3897430794508578453
2194.9369203, NXT-RNCR-YXDZ-V866-BS5RX, 14808713070625888585
2194.9369203, NXT-234E-3WCH-RN8G-DPHCT, 7750279034479016045
2194.9369203, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 10076926807013757070
2167.50020879, NXT-G9PD-F4GX-PX2U-6576U, 18273238314516316763
2080.69045359, NXT-GHAL-CD2K-HEEG-7PLBL, 10933230146966541667
2062.36273031, NXT-5MMT-RUYC-NCC9-AU8BL, 6663354958762398831
1970.72411389, NXT-SYNR-ZAES-GZ3F-BCDFH, 2926034987805088356
1920.56980526, NXT-XK4J-RN7N-UTMV-AANJ5, 10512310685032130578
1876.67106685, NXT-FAHJ-MNJE-5BHY-24PP4, 2021990634667252807
1854.72169765, NXT-2KH6-CUX7-RYC6-4S45F, 13709447745823892142
1766.92422084, NXT-3FH7-TS6Q-44EV-8B9LN, 15298410392185731983
1737.7315598, NXT-RE8F-JLCU-3L67-8HUQS, 6091436227721079864
1675.7245918, NXT-X5SD-X2YY-E4S9-GG9HX, 4232320503583244326
1646.20269022, NXT-68FF-Q7JQ-Q2WR-GMJM9, 14865231895793317601
1646.20269022, NXT-J698-WN8Q-XR8A-92TLD, 15104422671059572336
1623.15585256, NXT-WCKP-RDGX-76XY-BQ9U7, 14106069356367011236
1511.21406962, NXT-VR8V-A6BF-U5ZK-FNFJ6, 10567880821861840643
1487.0697635, NXT-LEH6-UQ45-A7R6-5QD93, 12375098314513219509
1456.45039346, NXT-BEGA-TNC2-3WTZ-9LSNH, 10445885162856890144
1415.73431359, NXT-RKKC-PVAX-QSDG-852WS, 12392312241927642337
1306.20696127, NXT-VK9R-AXKX-H82L-BAFDV, 12038146589976178809
1304.01202435, NXT-4EAQ-UHPR-M7RE-9MSLM, 18249238870763950375
1251.11404457, NXT-KG5B-LFRV-KMRB-5KRWT, 12885358536304359385
1251.11404457, NXT-NH53-QEG6-NG4U-6D9DZ, 8291112871959510477
1214.23910431, NXT-TH5L-YUSA-B79L-D8PXL, 7120501954167433032
1207.21530616, NXT-ECZU-ZYHF-RZ7D-4AMHY, 9333529383069703145
1135.9896031, NXT-724Q-JJL2-K2MH-9JJ77, 5168361204668233805
1108.44314475, NXT-CHGW-7472-MB8R-C6SKT, 16701324955891299160
1097.46846015, NXT-JM8P-54BR-ULY4-7VAZ6, 4210642185222340665
1097.46846015, NXT-TNEN-GQAE-TP67-8HQ8L, 15587208361955503339
1097.46846015, NXT-P4KP-7WA8-8FZ8-86X7U, 5384908072767532098
1097.46846015, NXT-PHEY-L75X-LZRH-8X29X, 3062142565720462051
1097.46846015, NXT-QTCA-67EQ-VCBL-EUTZD, 18046360617147506128
1097.46846015, NXT-6WM6-Y223-99GM-DWU7M, 9912374573289278303
1086.49377555, NXT-8QLY-CRHV-NSJZ-CCZ5K, 11300283414768682185
1009.67098334, NXT-P44H-3ZA6-TQBD-FESF3, 7613296921639085800
996.28186812, NXT-ZZ4W-YB6N-2TPJ-7EUY9, 9815899141872557167
859.42755114, NXT-MDBD-9G7U-WD6U-8WFPL, 5721481145305670904
823.10134511, NXT-8T88-RJHB-QE2X-H4TXW, 3696576945608751836
819.36995235, NXT-T2DW-9WYH-DF2J-B2QFE, 17190168440181401647
740.90095745, NXT-9PFV-DW9D-V3KT-8ENZH, 16715163521762446720
710.61082795, NXT-N969-VBNG-QJD9-H3S9V, 13999967286324267616
703.25778926, NXT-BPV3-837M-QZTQ-9DQ69, 12616482762665543781
663.96841839, NXT-MNLR-8MCV-3UJW-DZF3K, 14488078474355109856
609.64372961, NXT-MZDS-L4PU-WMMK-CGA46, 10547195492201766896
607.229299, NXT-YKGP-XQU8-9YXC-5AX5T, 16606710968472317069
601.41271616, NXT-2AS9-D5GB-BNHD-9DJXQ, 1092623522567493538
598.12031078, NXT-RNEB-CMJR-ELLX-GZJMT, 16646415150697257754
596.14486755, NXT-NNBQ-NXU8-8R7E-3TG5M, 10883331040533919771
558.17245883, NXT-RZK7-QPBK-AV43-EZLT9, 6707485261604357889
548.73423007, NXT-ZX4M-M4DS-WAKR-8FT76, 14562893068871159380
548.73423007, NXT-JGNJ-5RZ7-C6KY-AC2XL, 12959839581898842393
548.73423007, NXT-LTLB-WLM9-4X6U-8L5PT, 9457449625954413769
548.73423007, NXT-RQ59-49XB-A8H4-DBR6G, 355042453331481695
527.44334195, NXT-Q6AS-486F-W3PC-7B5LB, 8984045750312311976
526.23612664, NXT-ADZ6-YVGQ-5LLV-AP5YH, 15549208861816827619
477.7280207, NXT-6W8M-4NTR-TG8N-4YAUX, 11354646340607875983
460.93675326, NXT-5HZF-TPQ5-GSHF-7GV33, 13436646253673699408
455.99814519, NXT-5ZCV-KNGM-W5QK-HJ8FN, 14899554488567500396
450.62054974, NXT-PK6M-CQDA-7UEZ-4T4CR, 11182277765149010571
449.96206866, NXT-8573-EJTH-JSWS-GH5FG, 15290730350044097501
440.63358675, NXT-7HL4-WMNR-XGFL-ASVHV, 17178058747255956133
409.0264951, NXT-3HLN-SBA9-AC25-EP6LD, 12994035583904742322
384.11396105, NXT-H4ED-PLVX-A76A-ER5XZ, 14505499082547639067
384.11396105, NXT-NRGJ-86TR-QBUU-D2C3S, 4728766418032701039
378.62661875, NXT-LU2L-BW3T-V8DE-3HGCK, 8952645929946261022
378.07788452, NXT-BY7Y-UB4X-6Z3C-8PP3V, 12859729754939848516
370.28585845, NXT-ACJB-46Q5-2Y86-6A8XE, 15301051218807962207
362.16459185, NXT-QK6T-BTVP-N8SL-9ZLD4, 15433687183031271226
362.16459185, NXT-4K4B-76X2-DWAB-22TEF, 11937396344688877421
339.77623526, NXT-PFWK-5EHG-FTEF-34EW3, 9928069045146644622
329.24053804, NXT-Z9BG-6MGD-NT7D-HPV7S, 866971333060704040
329.24053804, NXT-5294-T9F6-WAWK-9V7WM, 7032179036388934113
320.46079036, NXT-VM6D-BMBT-UQMB-3Y7HH, 2388372500907530716
301.80382654, NXT-JJZS-E3FA-2BKD-EMD5L, 14472762942813256896
289.73167348, NXT-6D26-Q8E7-Z86X-97778, 12382593762723348538
282.04939426, NXT-6FC9-DGWA-XHFN-765BS, 2488326647906693812
241.44306123, NXT-2L4G-2KTP-7YKJ-HZNJY, 443045831305757941
241.44306123, NXT-QSA3-EV58-PGLR-8MX22, 13380405877172540944
233.87052886, NXT-4ZRX-J6CN-MX2D-AGWZU, 1046321354138565629
233.10230094, NXT-EUH2-Y9LT-J54V-EPB56, 17047752816492389698
224.32255325, NXT-76CF-3FFB-9RKM-EBFUT, 5505357242194707285
219.49369203, NXT-ND7Z-BKP8-9YVX-HSBV2, 5921413479941374927
219.49369203, NXT-RNWA-UN2A-GREA-6W666, 15354279274888845916
184.3747013, NXT-7G7H-BE28-B967-FTBWW, 5162842026228676693
180.20432116, NXT-53SX-ECVH-TQGH-885U2, 4315298503376626952
174.49748516, NXT-WD4Y-CNVP-V8K8-CJDS9, 13264972307388906806
160.88887626, NXT-8CBP-XQAH-J47K-GNQPB, 3688534364338818363
155.84052134, NXT-7NQY-PVNX-M2BL-HWRDA, 17405895688797883022
145.9633052, NXT-36AP-QRAK-B3M3-GXTYM, 17951609844279254859
141.02469713, NXT-CSQ5-K2GT-FP8S-DVMFK, 4333458361796518270
137.18355752, NXT-6BLV-3QZM-HMMQ-6Y5LZ, 8305882701384025786
133.89115214, NXT-ATPB-JE97-MVFB-E9WWD, 8666149607811985082
132.79368368, NXT-ZGCD-3Z6V-T7CX-HFPFU, 2102742794763615992
126.53811346, NXT-QCXP-YL3N-3SYS-EZX5T, 12338492680462811809
120.72153062, NXT-BT7K-KX8C-784T-EZ3WG, 9154396668589716133
120.06304954, NXT-47L4-3ZFH-VP8P-2EA84, 12781341905930149189
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Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 89% return so far, 2+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: printshop on December 07, 2014, 10:01:18 pm
Our initial investors hit 100% ROI this week.
11% return on investment, bringing the total for week 1 investors to 100%.

The crazy thing is that other assets are claiming to have twice the KH/share that we offer, yet they don't seem to have twice the dividends that we have.

Wow! Twice as much? 100%? What assets are claiming that? Is there even one? I run BearMining, I thought we had the most hashpower, but if you're saying there is someone with twice as much I would be very interested in who that is, I'd buy that asset in a heartbeat. Where do I sign?!

Given that there are assets pulling twice as much as you do, what is your strategy going forward to protect your shareholders from a drop in prices? Will you be implementing any measures to increase liquidity in HRLTCGEAR?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 10:24:41 pm
Issuer   kH/share   bid   ask   avg   kH/NXT bid
kH/NXT ask   kH/NXT avg   Reference
BearMining   8.00   0.99   1.00   1.00   8.08   8.00   8.04   https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=6812.msg137318#msg137318
HRLTCGear†   4.62   0.99   1   1   4.67   4.62   4.65   https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=5816.msg136341#ms

Sorry, you weren't claiming to be 100% bigger, but like 80% bigger.  One would have expected to see your asset deliver 80% more dividends, unless my math is wrong.

and I've got enough people pm'ing me regarding sizable investments that I'm not too worried. Anyone could put their shares up for 1 NXT and sell them fairly quickly, as well as I've said all along that anyone who wants the asset issuer to buy back their shares can PM me to arrange that. (I've already accommodated that once for whale.)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 10:28:44 pm
By the way, this week's dividends were actually a bit lower than they should have been - there was an additional 1.4 GH that has already been paid for with LTCgear that did not have the orders complete in time for payouts.  Chris has stated that he will be completing those orders still and paying them out mid-week, so there will be a further mid-week dividend for that 1.4 GH
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 07, 2014, 10:30:39 pm
printshop I really thought about investing some in your asset as well. But I decided against it, because of you. You seem really hot headed, cocky, and emotional. (I actually saw what you wrote before you edited your post)
And I don't trust my money with someone like that.

pf has the most professional behaviour around here, and that's one of his competitive advantages.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 07, 2014, 10:40:43 pm
The market cap of my two mining assets is also higher than the market cap of all of the other mining assets combined.  I welcome competition, as it's always good for people to have choice, but I don't exactly feel threatened by them. :)

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: KarlKarlsson on December 07, 2014, 10:46:42 pm
printshop I really thought about investing some in your asset as well. But I decided against it, because of you. You seem really hot headed, cocky, and emotional. (I actually saw what you wrote before you edited your post)
And I don't trust my money with someone like that.

pf has the most professional behaviour around here, and that's one of his competitive advantages.
Exactly how I feel. Good job pf!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: printshop on December 07, 2014, 11:25:31 pm
printshop I really thought about investing some in your asset as well. But I decided against it, because of you. You seem really hot headed, cocky, and emotional. (I actually saw what you wrote before you edited your post)
And I don't trust my money with someone like that.

pf has the most professional behaviour around here, and that's one of his competitive advantages.
Exactly how I feel. Good job pf!

karl, mike;

I'm sorry I had to post here at all, it's always difficult making a post like this in a competitor's thread because the shareholders will attack you almost no matter what you say. In this case however, my response was invited by pf. BearMining is the only asset which claims to beat HRLTCGear on hashrate, so pf could only have been referring to BearMining, and that implied I was lying about our fees or our hashrate.

I was angry about that at first, so I wrote an angry response. I did edit the message down quite a bit because it occurred to me that the mistake was probably unintentional. This turned out to be the case, and pf admitted that, so I don't see a problem and I don't see why you feel the need to comment. But sure, I will try to be more professional in the future.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 08, 2014, 01:02:59 am
Thank you i have 10k asset and i received my 1097 nxt  :)
I will make my roi in 9-10 weeks
The ratio is the same for everyone or if i buy more assets i will be pay more?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 08, 2014, 01:08:04 am
Thank you i have 10k asset and i received my 1097 nxt  :)
I will make my roi in 9-10 weeks
The ratio is the same for everyone or if i buy more assets i will be pay more?

If he continues to pay at least 10% per week, then in 10 weeks you will have made you investment back (or ROI as people like to mistakenly say). If you buy more shares the roi clock on that purchase starts that week.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 08, 2014, 02:49:11 am
printshop I really thought about investing some in your asset as well. But I decided against it, because of you. You seem really hot headed, cocky, and emotional. (I actually saw what you wrote before you edited your post)
And I don't trust my money with someone like that.

pf has the most professional behaviour around here, and that's one of his competitive advantages.
Exactly how I feel. Good job pf!

karl, mike;

I'm sorry I had to post here at all, it's always difficult making a post like this in a competitor's thread because the shareholders will attack you almost no matter what you say. In this case however, my response was invited by pf. BearMining is the only asset which claims to beat HRLTCGear on hashrate, so pf could only have been referring to BearMining, and that implied I was lying about our fees or our hashrate.

I was angry about that at first, so I wrote an angry response. I did edit the message down quite a bit because it occurred to me that the mistake was probably unintentional. This turned out to be the case, and pf admitted that, so I don't see a problem and I don't see why you feel the need to comment. But sure, I will try to be more professional in the future.
when NXTMINING sells out it will also be higher hashrate per share. However, NXTMING and HRLTCGEAR are completely different assets. MY asset is designed to make RoI through a combination of dividends and trading, not buy*and hold like HRLTCGEAR.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 08, 2014, 03:19:35 am
Thank you i have 10k asset and i received my 1097 nxt  :)
I will make my roi in 9-10 weeks
The ratio is the same for everyone or if i buy more assets i will be pay more?

If he continues to pay at least 10% per week, then in 10 weeks you will have made you investment back (or ROI as people like to mistakenly say). If you buy more shares the roi clock on that purchase starts that week.

Ok thanks so it's 10% whatever if i have 10k 100k or 1 million HRLTCgear
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: ifeng on December 08, 2014, 07:57:34 am
nice :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on December 08, 2014, 09:40:49 am
Thank you i have 10k asset and i received my 1097 nxt  :)
I will make my roi in 9-10 weeks
The ratio is the same for everyone or if i buy more assets i will be pay more?

You will not roi in 9-10 weeks. VTC is switching to new algo so expect a big difficulty jump (allready +10% in 24h).

LTCGEAR has a announced a new product that can mine every coin. I would stop reinvesting and take a look at the newer product. Maybe PF is going to pre order some for you.

http://ltcgear.com/time-to-act-the-second-generation/
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 08, 2014, 03:13:33 pm
Thank you i have 10k asset and i received my 1097 nxt  :)
I will make my roi in 9-10 weeks
The ratio is the same for everyone or if i buy more assets i will be pay more?

You will not roi in 9-10 weeks. VTC is switching to new algo so expect a big difficulty jump (allready +10% in 24h).

LTCGEAR has a announced a new product that can mine every coin. I would stop reinvesting and take a look at the newer product. Maybe PF is going to pre order some for you.

http://ltcgear.com/time-to-act-the-second-generation/

wait what? what does VTC have to do with current RoI?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on December 08, 2014, 04:15:26 pm
Thank you i have 10k asset and i received my 1097 nxt  :)
I will make my roi in 9-10 weeks
The ratio is the same for everyone or if i buy more assets i will be pay more?

You will not roi in 9-10 weeks. VTC is switching to new algo so expect a big difficulty jump (allready +10% in 24h).

LTCGEAR has a announced a new product that can mine every coin. I would stop reinvesting and take a look at the newer product. Maybe PF is going to pre order some for you.

http://ltcgear.com/time-to-act-the-second-generation/

wait what? what does VTC have to do with current RoI?

Getting ready for that 10% diff increase :(

You guys think that everyone who was going to switch from VTC to LTC has done so, so it can't get much worse than this?

Sure it can. Something pushed these people from VTC to LTC. In about 10 days, when VTC switches to Lyra, whatever is mining VTC s going to switch to LTC as well. So expect another 15% in about 10 days.
That s the world of mining, diff always goes up, there are short periods of stagnation but in the end, it always keeps on going up.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 08, 2014, 04:33:10 pm
it's interesting to note that when all of the titans switched over to Scrypt-N, that LTC difficulty actually dropped a bit - I suspect it will just go back up to it's usual increases once they all switch off of Scrypt-N and back to Scrypt.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 09, 2014, 05:18:38 am
Quick question, how does it work for the dividends if you buy / sell your assets around friday ? Is there a snapshot taken at some point or do you just look up on the blockchain who owns HRLTCGEAR and pay him dividends when you got the founds from ltcgear ? Also where can I see the received dividends ? ( I'm total newbie to nxt )
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Wongi on December 09, 2014, 11:37:43 am
Hi Arkh,

as the asset exchange works - all accounts that own HRLTCGEAR assets at a certain block height (defined by asset issuer) get the weekly dividends.
Pf takes down his sell order of HRLTCGEAR assets a certain time before this specific block to prevent big last minute buys which would dilute weekly dividends.
When dividend payouts went through he puts up sell order again.

You can see the payout under "My Transactions" on http://www.nxtreporting.com (http://www.nxtreporting.com)

Weekly dividends are distributed from: http://www.nxtreporting.com/?ac=NXT-MPD2-PBJ8-DQUY-8S96G (http://www.nxtreporting.com/?ac=NXT-MPD2-PBJ8-DQUY-8S96G)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 09, 2014, 03:42:43 pm
In great news, Chris finally put through our other 1.4 GH of orders that had accidently shown up as cancelled over the weekend.  I have emailed him to see if we will still recieve last week's payout for those shares, if we do there will be a mini mid-week dividend.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 09, 2014, 07:57:41 pm
Hi Arkh,

as the asset exchange works - all accounts that own HRLTCGEAR assets at a certain block height (defined by asset issuer) get the weekly dividends.
Pf takes down his sell order of HRLTCGEAR assets a certain time before this specific block to prevent big last minute buys which would dilute weekly dividends.
When dividend payouts went through he puts up sell order again.

You can see the payout under "My Transactions" on

Weekly dividends are distributed from:

Hi,

Thanks, that was really helpful ! Basically if I want to be in the next payout I need to buy before pf sell orders are down, there is no block height announcement ?

I'm definitely trying that out, I already have some shares on ltcgear but this asset is much more liquid, I like that.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 09, 2014, 08:03:40 pm
Hi Arkh,

as the asset exchange works - all accounts that own HRLTCGEAR assets at a certain block height (defined by asset issuer) get the weekly dividends.
Pf takes down his sell order of HRLTCGEAR assets a certain time before this specific block to prevent big last minute buys which would dilute weekly dividends.
When dividend payouts went through he puts up sell order again.

You can see the payout under "My Transactions" on

Weekly dividends are distributed from:

Hi,

Thanks, that was really helpful ! Basically if I want to be in the next payout I need to buy before pf sell orders are down, there is no block height announcement ?

I'm definitely trying that out, I already have some shares on ltcgear but this asset is much more liquid, I like that.

basically you need to buy in before the next payout.
i just remove the sell order a few days before the payout (likely late tomorrow, thursday for sure)
you are free, however, once it's removed to buy shares from other people (just they will likely charge a premium higher than 1 NXT/share)!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: JanSako on December 09, 2014, 08:25:33 pm
Hi Arkh,

as the asset exchange works - all accounts that own HRLTCGEAR assets at a certain block height (defined by asset issuer) get the weekly dividends.
Pf takes down his sell order of HRLTCGEAR assets a certain time before this specific block to prevent big last minute buys which would dilute weekly dividends.
When dividend payouts went through he puts up sell order again.

You can see the payout under "My Transactions" on

Weekly dividends are distributed from:

Hi,

Thanks, that was really helpful ! Basically if I want to be in the next payout I need to buy before pf sell orders are down, there is no block height announcement ?

I'm definitely trying that out, I already have some shares on ltcgear but this asset is much more liquid, I like that.

basically you need to buy in before the next payout.
i just remove the sell order a few days before the payout (likely late tomorrow, thursday for sure)
you are free, however, once it's removed to buy shares from other people (just they will likely charge a premium higher than 1 NXT/share)!

Correct me if I am wrong:

Once PF takes the snapshot of the asset holder addresses, I put up my shares for say 1.1 NXT. I sell them, but I would still get the dividends, not the new owner (about 10%), then once the sell order for 1 NXT is up again, I re-buy. Profit: +/- 20%  ??? Of course, there has to be someone who buys from me at 1.1 NXT...

PF maybe you should not publish the 'shapshot block'...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 09, 2014, 08:31:09 pm
Correct me if I am wrong:

Once PF takes the snapshot of the asset holder addresses, I put up my shares for say 1.1 NXT. I sell them, but I would still get the dividends, not the new owner (about 10%), then once the sell order for 1 NXT is up again, I re-buy. Profit: +/- 20%  ??? Of course, there has to be someone who buys from me at 1.1 NXT...

PF maybe you should not publish the 'shapshot block'...
I stopped using a snapshot block and started just removing the sell order instead.
this means that if you sell your shares at 1.1 NXT, you won't receive any dividend at all, the person who bought your shares will receive the dividend instead.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: JanSako on December 09, 2014, 09:00:50 pm
Correct me if I am wrong:

Once PF takes the snapshot of the asset holder addresses, I put up my shares for say 1.1 NXT. I sell them, but I would still get the dividends, not the new owner (about 10%), then once the sell order for 1 NXT is up again, I re-buy. Profit: +/- 20%  ??? Of course, there has to be someone who buys from me at 1.1 NXT...

PF maybe you should not publish the 'shapshot block'...
I stopped using a snapshot block and started just removing the sell order instead.
this means that if you sell your shares at 1.1 NXT, you won't receive any dividend at all, the person who bought your shares will receive the dividend instead.

Great, that is what I was hoping to hear!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rudeboi on December 10, 2014, 09:20:06 pm
@pf I'm impressed with the service you are providing so I decided to jump on board :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Wongi on December 10, 2014, 10:00:56 pm
Welcome on board  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 10, 2014, 11:04:21 pm
I'm liking this asset too. I've only been involved for a couple weeks.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 10, 2014, 11:23:18 pm
I put up a ~220k HRLTCGEAR buy wall with the asset issuer, I will only leave it up for a couple of hours - this is just in case anyone wanted some liquidity or anything or needed to free up some NXT.
Although I will again say that if anyone finds themselves in that situation, feel free to msg me and the asset issuer can arrange a buyback for your shares.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 11, 2014, 01:40:03 am
I put up a ~220k HRLTCGEAR buy wall with the asset issuer, I will only leave it up for a couple of hours - this is just in case anyone wanted some liquidity or anything or needed to free up some NXT.
Although I will again say that if anyone finds themselves in that situation, feel free to msg me and the asset issuer can arrange a buyback for your shares.


Really nice to hear that, definitely an advantage to invest here rahter than in ltcgear even if the revenue is a bit lower.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 11, 2014, 03:40:54 am
Would what happened in this article have any bearing on an asset like HRLTCGEAR and the freedom to buy and sell it? Essentially, participating in this is like being part of a giant group buy or cloud mining coop, right?

http://www.coindesk.com/sec-bitcoin-exchange-60000-securities-violations/

This is a situation where I prefer to assume my own risk but other people with power may see things differently.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 11, 2014, 04:08:45 am
Would what happened in this article have any bearing on an asset like HRLTCGEAR and the freedom to buy and sell it? Essentially, participating in this is like being part of a giant group buy or cloud mining coop, right?

http://www.coindesk.com/sec-bitcoin-exchange-60000-securities-violations/

This is a situation where I prefer to assume my own risk but other people with power may see things differently.

Thoughts?
In the USSA, pretty much everything is illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 11, 2014, 04:15:32 am
Would what happened in this article have any bearing on an asset like HRLTCGEAR and the freedom to buy and sell it? Essentially, participating in this is like being part of a giant group buy or cloud mining coop, right?

http://www.coindesk.com/sec-bitcoin-exchange-60000-securities-violations/

This is a situation where I prefer to assume my own risk but other people with power may see things differently.

Thoughts?
In the USSA, pretty much everything is illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

Yes, I understand that. I guess I'm wondering more about the practicality of going after something listed on a decentralized asset exchange, or the asset exchange itself. I've read that it's basically impossible to regulate the block chain. Would the NXT asset exchange (and listed assets) fall under that category?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 11, 2014, 04:47:07 am
Would what happened in this article have any bearing on an asset like HRLTCGEAR and the freedom to buy and sell it? Essentially, participating in this is like being part of a giant group buy or cloud mining coop, right?

http://www.coindesk.com/sec-bitcoin-exchange-60000-securities-violations/

This is a situation where I prefer to assume my own risk but other people with power may see things differently.

Thoughts?
In the USSA, pretty much everything is illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

Yes, I understand that. I guess I'm wondering more about the practicality of going after something listed on a decentralized asset exchange, or the asset exchange itself. I've read that it's basically impossible to regulate the block chain. Would the NXT asset exchange (and listed assets) fall under that category?
CfB says all of crypto is going to become illegal

but what they cant find, they cant find (I said that part)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: HouseOP on December 11, 2014, 09:26:20 am
CfB says all of crypto is going to become illegal

but what they cant find, they cant find (I said that part)

Now thats what I like about you J... forward thinking
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: dsalinas79 on December 11, 2014, 02:04:38 pm
By the way, this week's dividends were actually a bit lower than they should have been - there was an additional 1.4 GH that has already been paid for with LTCgear that did not have the orders complete in time for payouts.  Chris has stated that he will be completing those orders still and paying them out mid-week, so there will be a further mid-week dividend for that 1.4 GH

pf, do we have any updates on this?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 11, 2014, 03:22:19 pm
By the way, this week's dividends were actually a bit lower than they should have been - there was an additional 1.4 GH that has already been paid for with LTCgear that did not have the orders complete in time for payouts.  Chris has stated that he will be completing those orders still and paying them out mid-week, so there will be a further mid-week dividend for that 1.4 GH

pf, do we have any updates on this?
We got the shares, but we didn't get the missed payout from them. Chris hasn't responded to my last email about this yet, I will email him about it again now.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 11, 2014, 03:56:28 pm
The sell order has been taken down for the week, by the way. I will put it back up again after payouts.
What do people think about investing in 2nd Gen ASICs going forward?
Up until now we have only been going with Gen1 ASICs (we will be over 30 GH by the time this week's payouts happen)
Gen2 asics may have a slightly lower payout for the next 3-4 weeks, but will then likely be considerably higher than Gen1 asics.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 11, 2014, 04:20:51 pm
I'm actually not so sure anymore if gen2 is the best investment right now.

The payout until January is low, it's "just" a pre-order, and we don't know what the price will be in january.
On the other hand the price right now might be a bargain and produce ROI in 2 weeks.

I'm not expert when it comes to LTCGear ... but maybe invest 50% in gen1 and 50% in gen2 until January?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 11, 2014, 04:34:12 pm
I have asked James for his advice, hopefully he posts in this thread. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Avrora on December 11, 2014, 05:15:25 pm
I just received email from Chris to my superrich (0-shares) LTCGear account:





Closure announcement:

Current affiliate system will be closed Mon Dec 15 at midnight (UTC). All registered referral rewards will be paid but no more referrals will be registered after this date.

Main reason; resources claimed by current affiliate system have negative impact on overall service performance, especially in support area but also in payment deadlines.

Moving to new generation product, new marketing strategy and adding new payment gateways are other reasons.

As discussed with a part of customers, the current affiliate percent will be maxed at 35% until closure.

In case you redirect customers to website, make sure they use correct affiliate link when accessing website since no more support is offered for affiliate system (one main reason to stop it). Make sure they don't use another affiliate link after using yours since the new ID will overwrite your affiliate ID and referral will be registered under new ID.

Please visit your "Affiliate Area" at https://ltcgear.com/my-account/affiliate-area/ for latest informations about LTCgear's Affiliate System.

Kind Regards,

Chris@LTCgear







Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 11, 2014, 05:22:27 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Avrora on December 11, 2014, 05:41:25 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.

Yes, but 35%  ?   Isn't it just a little to much for a marketing strategy? Sure looks like last minute deals to me :) Sorry for off-topic.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 11, 2014, 05:48:52 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.

Yes, but 35%  ?   Isn't it just a little to much for a marketing strategy? Sure looks like last minute deals to me :) Sorry for off-topic.

Depends on how many people you convinced to sign up and how many they convinced. I don't know much about affiliate networks but I believe payouts like this aren't that unusual. Nevertheless it has nothing to do with LTCGear shares.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 11, 2014, 05:52:15 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.

Yes, but 35%  ?   Isn't it just a little to much for a marketing strategy? Sure looks like last minute deals to me :) Sorry for off-topic.
hey
I think what he means is that the affiliate bonus used to be 11% of the total sale
I think he means that people will only be seeing 35% of that 11%.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on December 11, 2014, 06:13:26 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.

Yes, but 35%  ?   Isn't it just a little to much for a marketing strategy? Sure looks like last minute deals to me :) Sorry for off-topic.
hey
I think what he means is that the affiliate bonus used to be 11% of the total sale
I think he means that people will only be seeing 35% of that 11%.

no it's 35% on payment. For example for the big pack 899$ the affiliate payment is 314.65$
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Avrora on December 11, 2014, 06:17:57 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.

Yes, but 35%  ?   Isn't it just a little to much for a marketing strategy? Sure looks like last minute deals to me :) Sorry for off-topic.
hey
I think what he means is that the affiliate bonus used to be 11% of the total sale
I think he means that people will only be seeing 35% of that 11%.

no it's 35% on payment. For example for the big pack 899$ the affiliate payment is 314.65$

Well, maybe he is just trying to squeeze as much as he can for those 2nd gen ASICs everyone is talking about. Who knows.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rlh on December 11, 2014, 06:20:44 pm
I'm actually not so sure anymore if gen2 is the best investment right now.

The payout until January is low, it's "just" a pre-order, and we don't know what the price will be in january.
On the other hand the price right now might be a bargain and produce ROI in 2 weeks.

I'm not expert when it comes to LTCGear ... but maybe invest 50% in gen1 and 50% in gen2 until January?

This was going to be my suggestion.  Actually, you could slowly shift the ratio, week to week.  For instance, this week, 90% to gen 1, 10% to gen 2.  Next week, 80/20, and the next week 70/30, and so on.

When the hardware is live and paying, invest 100% in gen 2.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 11, 2014, 06:23:16 pm
The sell order has been taken down for the week, by the way. I will put it back up again after payouts.
What do people think about investing in 2nd Gen ASICs going forward?
Up until now we have only been going with Gen1 ASICs (we will be over 30 GH by the time this week's payouts happen)
Gen2 asics may have a slightly lower payout for the next 3-4 weeks, but will then likely be considerably higher than Gen1 asics.

Do we know what the payouts on the second gens are prior to Jan 1?

That said, I think pre-ordering 2nd gens is the way to go. But, maybe you might want to start a new asset for the 2ng gen. Although, I'd rather you didn't. I'm ok with slight lower payouts for 3 more weeks since I think the 2nd gens will pay more later. Right?

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Avrora on December 11, 2014, 06:51:05 pm
EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 11, 2014, 07:47:16 pm
I have asked James for his advice, hopefully he posts in this thread. :)
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic
The flexibility of the gen2 asic being able to adapt to new algos appears to keep it useful for potentially a lot longer period. Protecting the capital investment with the flexibility to change algo what is mined seems quite useful

I am just concerned that with about a 10 week return of capital, if we keep buying gen1 right until gen2 is out, then it could make it so we never get the capital back. As it is, be it 4 weeks or 8 weeks before gen2 all the funds invested should return capital with anything beyond being profit.

In general, stopping investment prior to new generation is a good policy. maybe not all the profits are squeezed out, but the primary concern should be safe return of capital and whenever there is a new generation of hardware, the old gen could quickly become a snotkitten.

I bought about $8K of old LTCgear stuff (was the cutting edge back then) about a year ago. It was delayed for a month or two, but at first it was returning 25% per week! Luckily it managed to do it for about 4 weeks, but then giant difficulty increase and LTC price drops, now I still get about 0.25% per week, which is still a healthy 10%+ per year and since capital came back, it is no worry for me. Note this is a 99% reduction in weekly output.

So I advise capital preservation by shifting to gen2 prepayments now. My guess is that they will run out of stock, so while the initial deliveries could be in 4 weeks, some might not get it for 8 or more weeks. The bigger customers tend to get the better service too.

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 11, 2014, 07:51:40 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 11, 2014, 08:04:44 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?

How does it dilute the shares in the pool?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 11, 2014, 08:10:20 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?

How does it dilute the shares in the pool?

I think he means that dividends will decrease because of the lower payouts for gen2. But once gen2 goes live the revenues should make up for it.

What James said sounds reasonable.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 11, 2014, 08:12:23 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?

How does it dilute the shares in the pool?
I think the concern is that new purchases that go to gen2 will be idle cash and not producing dividends, but still they will share in the pool dividends.

However, the flip side is that whenever the gen2 becomes available, this formerly idle cash is now providing gen2 ASIC that maybe would not have been available otherwise. My assumption is that it will be backordered for a while and the largest customers are getting theirs filled first due to the golden rule.

So, it is a risk about the exact timing of gen2, the increased performance (if it can essentially multipool the gain could be 3x), greater longevity, and faster availability. These are things that are not knowable, but this is the point of a pool isnt it?

To share risk and get the average result. So, this is achieved. It wont be the absolute best possible result obtained by psychically knowing the exact right date to switch, but it also wont be the absolute worst result possible which could be caused by misjudging some factor.

I prefer to have as large a percentage of HRLTCgear to be in 2nd gen hardware. Maybe for the next month this is suboptimal, but what about all the months after that?

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 11, 2014, 08:13:39 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?

How does it dilute the shares in the pool?

I think he means that dividends will decrease because of the lower payouts for gen2. But once gen2 goes live the revenues should make up for it.

What James said sounds reasonable.

That is exactly what I mean. I'm note sure it is ok to do this with the current asset model. I would be better to sell my share now and buy them at fix 1Nxt price with gen2 enter in function. If such a thing happen, I think a sell wall will appear on the AE.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 11, 2014, 08:29:07 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?

How does it dilute the shares in the pool?

I think he means that dividends will decrease because of the lower payouts for gen2. But once gen2 goes live the revenues should make up for it.

What James said sounds reasonable.

That is exactly what I mean. I'm note sure it is ok to do this with the current asset model. I would be better to sell my share now and buy them at fix 1Nxt price with gen2 enter in function. If such a thing happen, I think a sell wall will appear on the AE.
I doubt there will be any large percentage of overall pool being allocated to the gen2 in the short time
so maybe we are talking a 10% factor here, so if you are exiting for reentry, make sure to get full price
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 11, 2014, 08:38:28 pm
Does that mean LTCGear is about to go belly up? Totally liked the idea of mining assets :(

No.
An affiliate system is just a marketing strategy where you get rewards by convincing other people to sign up or something. It doesn't affect the actual product.

Yes, but 35%  ?   Isn't it just a little to much for a marketing strategy? Sure looks like last minute deals to me :) Sorry for off-topic.
hey
I think what he means is that the affiliate bonus used to be 11% of the total sale
I think he means that people will only be seeing 35% of that 11%.

no it's 35% on payment. For example for the big pack 899$ the affiliate payment is 314.65$
When did this change take effect? and is it true for all LTCgear accounts?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 11, 2014, 09:12:33 pm
When did this change take effect? and is it true for all LTCgear accounts?

Today.
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=23764.0

I think it's for everybody but not sure. It would definitely mean that you could get shares for a 24% discount until dec 15th.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 11, 2014, 09:50:06 pm
Since the DOGE is mergemined with LTC, does that mean the payouts are including DOGE? Or is the secret plan Chris has to become the DOGE master?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 11, 2014, 10:40:20 pm
I suggest to only reinvest (also new purchases) toward the gen2 asic

How is that possible without diluting the current shares in the pool?

How does it dilute the shares in the pool?

I think he means that dividends will decrease because of the lower payouts for gen2. But once gen2 goes live the revenues should make up for it.

What James said sounds reasonable.

Diluting the shares means each share is weaker. But, while the Gen2 shares won't produce what the gen1 shares produce they will increase the payouts still. And, starting Jan 1, when the Gen2 stuff kicks in, then the same shares will get a higher payout.

Anyway, if we are voting, I say only buy/pre-order Gen2 shares from this point on.
 
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 12, 2014, 01:30:45 am
I don't know enough about this to make a good decision. I would defer to what James advises in this case. Like every investor here, I want maximum profit for maximum amount of time.

Question: If pf starts buying 2nd gen asics from here on out, we still own the 1st gen asics he's bought so far, correct? Those don't suddenly magically turn into gen 2 asics, right? So... investing in 2nd gen asics from here on out would basically be diversifying, wouldn't it? I think that's generally considered a good thing.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: lihuajkl on December 12, 2014, 03:53:18 am
I don't know enough about this to make a good decision. I would defer to what James advises in this case. Like every investor here, I want maximum profit for maximum amount of time.

Question: If pf starts buying 2nd gen asics from here on out, we still own the 1st gen asics he's bought so far, correct? Those don't suddenly magically turn into gen 2 asics, right? So... investing in 2nd gen asics from here on out would basically be diversifying, wouldn't it? I think that's generally considered a good thing.
Absolutely! Buying 2nd gen asics adds to the existing portfolio of  1st gen asics. We can call diversify our investment at some extent. But not really, they are nearly the same cloud mining contract from the same mining farm. We carry the same level of risk. The difference is that they are adopting different algorithm (2nd generation ASIC is equivalent to Neoscrypt algorithm, Scrypt algorithm and X11 algorithm).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 12, 2014, 04:57:32 am
I don't know enough about this to make a good decision. I would defer to what James advises in this case. Like every investor here, I want maximum profit for maximum amount of time.

Question: If pf starts buying 2nd gen asics from here on out, we still own the 1st gen asics he's bought so far, correct? Those don't suddenly magically turn into gen 2 asics, right? So... investing in 2nd gen asics from here on out would basically be diversifying, wouldn't it? I think that's generally considered a good thing.
Absolutely! Buying 2nd gen asics adds to the existing portfolio of  1st gen asics. We can call diversify our investment at some extent. But not really, they are nearly the same cloud mining contract from the same mining farm. We carry the same level of risk. The difference is that they are adopting different algorithm (2nd generation ASIC is equivalent to Neoscrypt algorithm, Scrypt algorithm and X11 algorithm).

Sounds like a good deal to me :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Ylluks on December 12, 2014, 07:38:33 am
I'm not an expert in these things but, reading the last few pages I would opt. to just buy 2nd gen.

If we become the bigger customer we would get the better service as james said and might get not get back-orderd so to say.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 13, 2014, 01:27:46 am
Waiting for this week's payout.
BTW, we are currently holding 160 2nd gen ASIC shares
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 13, 2014, 02:03:42 am
Waiting for this week's payout.
BTW, we are currently holding 160 2nd gen ASIC shares

 :o
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 13, 2014, 02:19:35 am
29 GH gen 1 asics and 160 gen2 asics.
With the increased affiliate discount that lasts until the 15th I hope to get as many more gen2 asics as possible once the payout go out.
as soon as i receive the payout and send out dividends I will be reposting the sell order.
As a warning, the gen2 asics may have slightly less payout for 2-3 weeks until they are in stock but they promise to be greatly more profitable afterwards.  We also have 29 GH of gen1 asics backing us too. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 13, 2014, 05:13:21 am
By the way, this week's dividends were actually a bit lower than they should have been - there was an additional 1.4 GH that has already been paid for with LTCgear that did not have the orders complete in time for payouts.  Chris has stated that he will be completing those orders still and paying them out mid-week, so there will be a further mid-week dividend for that 1.4 GH

pf, do we have any updates on this?
We got the shares, but we didn't get the missed payout from them. Chris hasn't responded to my last email about this yet, I will email him about it again now.
how this thing going on?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 13, 2014, 05:07:33 pm
Hey
we got just short of a BTC as payout that was missed from last week.  It will be added to this week's dividends.
Just waiting on the payout from LTCgear.  It should be around 36 btc if my math is correct.
We will be moving towards scheduling payouts for a sunday (so that i can meet everyone's expectation consistantly as lately it is taking LTCgear nearly 24 hours to process all of the payouts)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 100% return so far, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~24.5+GH
Post by: HouseOP on December 14, 2014, 12:24:37 am
By the way, this week's dividends were actually a bit lower than they should have been - there was an additional 1.4 GH that has already been paid for with LTCgear that did not have the orders complete in time for payouts.  Chris has stated that he will be completing those orders still and paying them out mid-week, so there will be a further mid-week dividend for that 1.4 GH

Hi pf. I hope you're not giving away my share from last week to new purchasers THIS week.

Hey we got just short of a BTC as payout that was missed from last week.  It will be added to this week's dividends.
Just waiting on the payout from LTCgear.  It should be around 36 btc if my math is correct.
We will be moving towards scheduling payouts for a sunday (so that i can meet everyone's expectation consistantly as lately it is taking LTCgear nearly 24 hours to process all of the payouts)
appreciate if I can receive my payout for last week transactions as I have since sold my holdings. Thanks in advance.

------ last weeks tx ----2194.9369203, NXT-EBWP-463Q-KPQF-HMNC3, 10076926807013757070
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: bahamapascal on December 14, 2014, 01:22:46 am
Hey
we got just short of a BTC as payout that was missed from last week.  It will be added to this week's dividends.
Just waiting on the payout from LTCgear.  It should be around 36 btc if my math is correct.
We will be moving towards scheduling payouts for a sunday (so that i can meet everyone's expectation consistantly as lately it is taking LTCgear nearly 24 hours to process all of the payouts)

So payments will be tomorrow and from then on every sunday?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 14, 2014, 03:53:39 pm
Still waiting on LTCgear payouts to finish, apparently they are reinitializing their database and expect to be done today.
And yes, going forward dividend payouts will be on sundays.  This means the sell order likely will only exist monday -> thursday.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 14, 2014, 10:24:21 pm
Still waiting for payout. I will be trying to reach out to Chris again shortly.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: bahamapascal on December 14, 2014, 10:38:39 pm
Thanks for the update
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 14, 2014, 10:57:04 pm
I have talked to some people on #LTCGEAR and apparently we are not the only ones who have not been paid out yet
I am hopeful it will come in the next couple of hours.  I have also emailed Chris just now again.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: maxll on December 15, 2014, 05:10:22 am
Looks like payouts just started.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ifeng on December 15, 2014, 07:55:59 am
So far, haven't received any dividends, the latest progress of things?Due to the influence of the matter, investors will produce certain misgivings, hope everything goes well!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: lopalcar on December 15, 2014, 01:27:44 pm
One worry about second gen asics...
If they mine VTC,FTC, DRK... and people only want bitcoins... how will this markets assume this big sellofs? They can be absorbed by litecoin market volumes, but I highly doubt that this coins with very poor volumes "only DRK have good volumes somedays" can admit this sells without crash the price making the coins very unprofitable to mine...

Am I the only one which see this like a problem?  ???   Am I forgeting something obvious?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 15, 2014, 01:57:45 pm
Well 2nd gen always mines the most profitable coin.

If it should happen that one of them crashes in value or difficulty spikes that much that it becomes less profitable they immediately switch.
I see the problem you're referring to but I don't think 2nd gen will become unprofitable for quite some time. Even if all three coins you are referring to crash and become unprofitable 2nd gen can always mine LTC as well. 2nd gen would only become unprofitable if VTC, FTC, DRK and LTC become unprofitable to mine. I don't see that happening in the near future. Plus, Chris could always let them mine a completely different coin.

I think 2nd gen will be very profitable at first and then the profitability will drop at some point. But that's always the case in mining. Nothing lasts forever.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 15, 2014, 03:37:09 pm
Hi guys,

Sorry for not updating again last night.
As per the latest LTCgear update on their page:

Quote
UPDATE: Payments (including adding shares and mods) and on-hold order fixing will be finished Monday, Dec 15 (extended maintenance was required – including website modification).
I suspect he may have had to redownload the bitcoin blockchain (and we all know how long that takes to finish).  As soon as the payment is recieved dividends will be sent out and the sell order put back up.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 15, 2014, 04:57:29 pm
I suspect he may have had to redownload the bitcoin blockchain (and we all know how long that takes to finish).  As soon as the payment is recieved dividends will be sent out and the sell order put back up.

It's taking me long enough to download the NXT blockchain, and it's only a year old!

Thanks for the update, pf :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 15, 2014, 05:00:23 pm
I hope it will arrive before the affiliate offer ends. It would be a shame to miss the 24% discount.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 15, 2014, 05:10:35 pm
I hope it will arrive before the affiliate offer ends. It would be a shame to miss the 24% discount.
I hear ya man
:<
I have been stressed out about this being so late to the point of nearly feeling sick.
ugh
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 15, 2014, 08:29:56 pm
still no payout? this worries me for next week.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 15, 2014, 09:09:45 pm
no payout yet.
there are dozens of people on #LTCGEAR reporting the same thing.
3 more hours until monday is done UTC.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 15, 2014, 09:28:09 pm
no payout yet.
there are dozens of people on #LTCGEAR reporting the same thing.
3 more hours until monday is done UTC.

I'm assuming that mining continues, and that this delay is a payout processing issue, and won't impact the amount of payout for next week. Am I correct?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 15, 2014, 09:45:17 pm
no payout yet.
there are dozens of people on #LTCGEAR reporting the same thing.
3 more hours until monday is done UTC.

I'm assuming that mining continues, and that this delay is a payout processing issue, and won't impact the amount of payout for next week. Am I correct?
That would be correct.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: maurover on December 15, 2014, 09:59:49 pm
Don't sweat it too hard, I think there's about a million people wise to ltcgear now.
It was only a matter of time until they got completely swamped.

I appreciate your candor as opposed to the excuses and platitudes
offered by others in this industry.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: 13Darko on December 15, 2014, 10:05:20 pm
I think it's time for someone to start already building his own scrypt ASIC farms and sell shares of its hashpower directly to customers at NXT AE. No need of third-parties. We need something like HRNXTPool, but with sASIC and prices like in HRLTCgear. That would be perfect.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 15, 2014, 10:09:36 pm
Patient... We musn't do a drama for a simple delayed payment..humans make mistakes, we aren't machines  xD,don't worry
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 15, 2014, 10:20:29 pm
I think it's time for someone to start already building his own scrypt ASIC farms and sell shares of its hashpower directly to customers at NXT AE. No need of third-parties. We need something like HRNXTPool, but with sASIC and prices like in HRLTCgear. That would be perfect.

impossible. nobody else anywhere has been able to produce as many hashes per dollar as chris.

There's a reason nobody else can pay like LTCGEAR does, and i don't think anyone but chris KNOWS what that that reason is.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 15, 2014, 11:13:48 pm
Still no payout for the week.
I have been checking every 15 minutes all day, I am going to check once more later tonight, otherwise I am going to give myself an ulcer.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 15, 2014, 11:47:24 pm
PBMinning just showed it's true ponzi colors. I hope this isn't in any way related to LTCGear. It is very hard to prove a mining operation isn't a pozi, considering that the payouts are such a small percentage of what they could take in every day.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 16, 2014, 12:49:13 am
i dont think it's going to ponzi out any time soon hopefully
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 16, 2014, 01:04:03 am
I jumped on this because James called it an income asset, and I was looking for an income asset. He knows his stuff, so I figured I could trust his judgment on the solidity of the LTCGear company. pf knows his stuff too. If LTCGear goes belly up or something like that, I think James and pf would be as shocked as the rest of us. I'm hoping it really truly is website maintenance in this case.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 16, 2014, 01:15:55 am
Quote
UPDATE: Due to the delay induced by recent unexpected maintenance and (and address changing policy modification) the closure (and the operations planned along, including referral payment) will be shifted two days, it is rescheduled for Dec 17.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 16, 2014, 01:16:18 am
I jumped on this because James called it an income asset, and I was looking for an income asset. He knows his stuff, so I figured I could trust his judgment on the solidity of the LTCGear company. pf knows his stuff too. If LTCGear goes belly up or something like that, I think James and pf would be as shocked as the rest of us. I'm hoping it really truly is website maintenance in this case.
LTCgear has been around for a while. With 10x increase in sales, it is natural to run into logistics issues, especially if manual processes are used. Also, with 10x more BTC coming in, there is 10x more BTC lying around...

However, LTCgear has been doing this type of biz for some time, a year ago it was already around for a while. If the only purpose of all these years was to bank as much BTC and then bail, well it has been a long time in the making for such a thing.

So, while I cant personally vouch for the solvency of LTCgear, I would indeed be surprised if it just vanished. Not saying I never get surprised. Hopefully there will be some communications from LTCgear soon to calm people down

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: escalicha on December 16, 2014, 01:20:19 am
I jumped on this because James called it an income asset, and I was looking for an income asset. He knows his stuff, so I figured I could trust his judgment on the solidity of the LTCGear company. pf knows his stuff too. If LTCGear goes belly up or something like that, I think James and pf would be as shocked as the rest of us. I'm hoping it really truly is website maintenance in this case.
LTCgear has been around for a while. With 10x increase in sales, it is natural to run into logistics issues, especially if manual processes are used. Also, with 10x more BTC coming in, there is 10x more BTC lying around...

However, LTCgear has been doing this type of biz for some time, a year ago it was already around for a while. If the only purpose of all these years was to bank as much BTC and then bail, well it has been a long time in the making for such a thing.

So, while I cant personally vouch for the solvency of LTCgear, I would indeed be surprised if it just vanished. Not saying I never get surprised. Hopefully there will be some communications from LTCgear soon to calm people down

James

Thanks James, your words always bring calm.

Regards
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 16, 2014, 01:27:50 am
I jumped on this because James called it an income asset, and I was looking for an income asset. He knows his stuff, so I figured I could trust his judgment on the solidity of the LTCGear company. pf knows his stuff too. If LTCGear goes belly up or something like that, I think James and pf would be as shocked as the rest of us. I'm hoping it really truly is website maintenance in this case.
LTCgear has been around for a while. With 10x increase in sales, it is natural to run into logistics issues, especially if manual processes are used. Also, with 10x more BTC coming in, there is 10x more BTC lying around...

However, LTCgear has been doing this type of biz for some time, a year ago it was already around for a while. If the only purpose of all these years was to bank as much BTC and then bail, well it has been a long time in the making for such a thing.

So, while I cant personally vouch for the solvency of LTCgear, I would indeed be surprised if it just vanished. Not saying I never get surprised. Hopefully there will be some communications from LTCgear soon to calm people down

James

Thanks James, your words always bring calm.

Regards
calm is always good
however, until the payments are made, they are not made.
might be a good idea to be somewhat diversified, just in case some parts of the portfolio blow up
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: satoshi on December 16, 2014, 02:15:56 am
Relax guys, Chris will come through.

pf and jl777 know him much longer than me. If he wanted to run away why would he cancel affiliate program? why would he issue second gen shares (much less payouts at current rates)?

Diversification in this case will not help. Because his rates are 70% cheaper than competition and payouts almost 50% more.

Patience is not simply the ability to wait - it's how we behave while we're waiting.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 16, 2014, 10:30:15 am
Jesus, LTC is tanking right now ...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 16, 2014, 03:32:00 pm
maybe he's finally converting his LTC -> BTC
still waiting for payout, btw.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 16, 2014, 03:36:29 pm
@pf did you check if we got payed in shares ? Chris had to use a back up of his db for security reasons and it has fucked up the payment system. So it may have been payed in shares or in a previous address ( If you changed it recently )

Have a nice day and patience ;) The affiliate shutdown has been postponed !
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 16, 2014, 05:13:39 pm
@pf did you check if we got payed in shares ? Chris had to use a back up of his db for security reasons and it has fucked up the payment system. So it may have been payed in shares or in a previous address ( If you changed it recently )

Have a nice day and patience ;) The affiliate shutdown has been postponed !
We did not get paid in shares.
We also didn't experience the issue with the payout address changing (we have not changed our payout address at all in the last ~2 weeks)
I am on #ltcgear on freenode, by the way, as pflux.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 16, 2014, 05:33:17 pm
@pf did you check if we got payed in shares ? Chris had to use a back up of his db for security reasons and it has fucked up the payment system. So it may have been payed in shares or in a previous address ( If you changed it recently )

Have a nice day and patience ;) The affiliate shutdown has been postponed !
We did not get paid in shares.
We also didn't experience the issue with the payout address changing (we have not changed our payout address at all in the last ~2 weeks)
I am on #ltcgear on freenode, by the way, as pflux.
Has LTCgear posted any updates either on freenode or elsewhere? I'm on the freenode channel right now but don't want to ask the same question if it's already been asked and answered.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 16, 2014, 06:31:31 pm
This is not fun.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 16, 2014, 06:52:46 pm
This is not fun.

Agreed.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: yiiy on December 16, 2014, 07:45:20 pm
Please check how much share and let us see here
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: CryptoGuu on December 16, 2014, 09:29:10 pm
relax guys. Chris is only posting in this thread: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.7290

he is beekeper
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 16, 2014, 11:29:28 pm
I think this is an update from Chris:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg230462#msg230462
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 16, 2014, 11:40:07 pm
I think this is an update from Chris:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg230462#msg230462

It is.

pf you didn't change your address or anything like that did you?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 17, 2014, 03:29:28 am
Another update, this one second hand: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg230532#msg230532

It seems there is some sort of address confirmation process that has to be gone through before payments can be made (even for people who didn't change their addresses recently).
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: maxll on December 17, 2014, 10:16:10 am
Chris told he sent 95% of LTCgear dividents already. Another interesting thing is pf did not pay last HRNXTpool dividends too.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Wongi on December 17, 2014, 10:59:30 am
This is because HRNXTPool owns 10% of HRLTCGear and pf is still waiting on payout of LTCGear.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 17, 2014, 03:45:47 pm
There are plenty of large customers who have not yet gotten paid, per this thread: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.7515
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 04:11:38 pm
Chris told he sent 95% of LTCgear dividents already. Another interesting thing is pf did not pay last HRNXTpool dividends too.
Chris is lying about this, join #ltcgear.
I am pm'ing beekeeper @ litecointalk this morning hopefully that will expedite things
and no, the payout addresses did not change at all in the last several weeks
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 04:16:19 pm
I now see this on the my account page, which is strange because I did not change the payout address for several weeks now:
(http://i60.tinypic.com/bgsht4.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 04:28:13 pm
To clarify for people - once the payment is recieved, dividends will go out to people holding at whatever block height that is.
That means anyone selling for less than 1 NXT will not receive their dividends, but whoever buys them will.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 17, 2014, 04:57:26 pm
I've been following two of the relevant Litecoin talk threads and it sounds to me from what people are saying that Chris has implemented some new security measures on the website, and that all accounts start on that 24 hour lockdown regardless, and that he is processing payouts manually. Some people have reported receiving them. Others are reporting that they are still waiting. I assume, pf, you are among the still waiting...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 05:23:22 pm
correct still waiting
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 17, 2014, 05:26:31 pm
correct still waiting

Soo... what's the countdown say now? when will your 24 hours be up?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 05:27:37 pm
22 hrs
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: bahamapascal on December 17, 2014, 06:25:00 pm
Haha, I have the feeling that this weeks payment will be double :D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 06:45:19 pm
There are reports that some people have been getting paid prior to the 24 hour lockout expiring.  I have PM'ed beekeeper @ litecointalk forum and emailed all of his email addresses with my info and confirming my payout address.

I apologize for all this waiting to everyone, but as soon as the payout happens the dividends will be sent.  Then again only a couple days after that, for this current week.


21 hours remaining on the timer.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 17, 2014, 06:49:55 pm
There are reports that some people have been getting paid prior to the 24 hour lockout expiring.  I have PM'ed beekeeper @ litecointalk forum and emailed all of his email addresses with my info and confirming my payout address.

I apologize for all this waiting to everyone, but as soon as the payout happens the dividends will be sent.  Then again only a couple days after that, for this current week.


21 hours remaining on the timer.

Did you also try filing a support ticket on the website?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 17, 2014, 07:09:21 pm
There are reports that some people have been getting paid prior to the 24 hour lockout expiring.  I have PM'ed beekeeper @ litecointalk forum and emailed all of his email addresses with my info and confirming my payout address.

I apologize for all this waiting to everyone, but as soon as the payout happens the dividends will be sent.  Then again only a couple days after that, for this current week.


21 hours remaining on the timer.

Did you also try filing a support ticket on the website?

I suggest not becoming a pest. Sometimes that puts you at the back of the line.

however, as such a large customer it would be nice to get a small amount of priority on any manual payments.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 07:39:02 pm
There are reports that some people have been getting paid prior to the 24 hour lockout expiring.  I have PM'ed beekeeper @ litecointalk forum and emailed all of his email addresses with my info and confirming my payout address.

I apologize for all this waiting to everyone, but as soon as the payout happens the dividends will be sent.  Then again only a couple days after that, for this current week.


21 hours remaining on the timer.

Did you also try filing a support ticket on the website?
yes, done that as well.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 17, 2014, 08:59:08 pm
Looks like we're just going to have to wait out the lockdown. Should be a little under 19 hours now. Thanks, pf, for staying on top of this and communicating what you know with us.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 17, 2014, 10:08:24 pm
18 hours now
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Paws1t1veEV on December 17, 2014, 10:23:56 pm
I managed to pick up some cheap shares! Looking forward to the payment  ;D
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 17, 2014, 10:38:38 pm
I saw this on Litecoin talk:

UPDATE FROM AFFILIATE AREA:

Update Dec 17: Payouts will be sent around 00:00 UTC.


Not sure if that also includes mining payouts.

This would be 2.5 hrs. from now.

UPDATE: people on Litecoin Talk are reporting they are receiving affiliate payments :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 18, 2014, 03:06:53 am
Referal payments are being received ( after being delayed for 2 hours )

Some people are still waiting for last friday payments.

I hope everything gets sorted for next friday !
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: bahamapascal on December 18, 2014, 10:51:08 am
Referal payments are being received ( after being delayed for 2 hours )

Some people are still waiting for last friday payments.

I hope everything gets sorted for next friday !

Unfortunately I have not recived my Afiliate pyments, they are still marked as "Accepted referrals pending payment"...

Edit: Ah, thats probably why:
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Confirmed. I received all the old referral payments (11%) but not the new ones (35%).

They are not due yet. It would be perfectly normal if those are paid at the beginning of next week as usual...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 18, 2014, 02:49:14 pm
any news?
i am a little worry whether we can get dividend before friday
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 18, 2014, 04:02:48 pm
Account lockout timer has now expired.
Still have not recieved anything, neither last week's payout or this week's affiliate payout.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 18, 2014, 06:22:43 pm
I have been talking with two people extensively on #LTCgear and one of them has now been paid out a comparable amount (after his timer expired last night) - I am confident that we will be paid out today.

HRNXTPOOL paid out it's dividends without the money from HRLTCGEAR, as soon as I get the missing LTCgear payout I will be doing dividends (and then another one this weekend when we get the current week's payout)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 18, 2014, 06:55:58 pm
I have been talking with two people extensively on #LTCgear and one of them has now been paid out a comparable amount (after his timer expired last night) - I am confident that we will be paid out today.

HRNXTPOOL paid out it's dividends without the money from HRLTCGEAR, as soon as I get the missing LTCgear payout I will be doing dividends (and then another one this weekend when we get the current week's payout)

Any idea of the % for last weeks and this weeks payments?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 18, 2014, 09:33:22 pm
last week's math worked out to be approximately 36 btc.
not sure yet about this weeks but it would be something comparable (minus the difficulty increases mind you)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 18, 2014, 09:34:24 pm
still no payout
if we don't get last week's payout soon, i'm going to start asking everyone involved in this asset to email chris with an email that includes a link to this thread and our ltcgear username.

if it gets to that point i will post up a template email to send.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: escalicha on December 18, 2014, 09:35:53 pm
Thanks for the updates :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 18, 2014, 10:04:43 pm
still no payout
if we don't get last week's payout soon, i'm going to start asking everyone involved in this asset to email chris with an email that includes a link to this thread and our ltcgear username.

if it gets to that point i will post up a template email to send.

Based on what I'm reading in Litecoin Talk, people are reporting getting paid up to 12 hours after their countdowns expired. I get the impression Chris is making one or two batch payments. I think you missed out on the first batch payment. People are speculating that the next batch is likely to get sent out somewhere between 0 and 2 UTC, which is 2 to 5 hours from now. I'd probably wait until tomorrow to send any emails--to give a chance for an evening batch to be sent out. I hear ya on the frustration, though. Hopefully we'll all wake up tomorrow with good news. Today would be even better.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: popolozo on December 19, 2014, 11:22:53 am
aaand what?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: RAlex on December 19, 2014, 12:23:46 pm
aaand what?
I believe PF is way more stressed out, comparing to the rest of us over this turmoil with LTCGear. None of the mining asset issuers (except ltc2nxt3 and safehash as I know) guarantees your NXT is insured.
That's being said, only Chris knows if dividends from this asset will ever be paid out.

To me personally the idea of delaying payments to the biggest shareholders could be appealing during the last stages of the Ponzi scheme.
Although I am biased, I do hold some mining assets (greed kills brain as they say), I would say there is not much pf (or printshop) can really do. Chris will never respond. Tried LOL.
All is left to the asset holders is to sit tight, and hope for the best.

RAlex
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: th4o on December 19, 2014, 12:33:19 pm
I don't think so.
I've read several times people got payed after timeout of the countdown. It's probably night where pf is. We'll see if the payout has happened when he's online again
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 01:21:00 pm
This is not good. HRLTCGEAR and HRNXTPOOL are starting to look like they could be empty barrels... :(
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 19, 2014, 01:30:09 pm
I trust that you are honest but as an investor need to regain some confidence .

things have gone wrong and I guess as "manager" will assume your lost parts to not disturb the investor

regards  :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: kimmel on December 19, 2014, 01:32:53 pm
We have 2 possible points of failure which are LTCGear itself and pf as the manager of our funds.

We have to wait until sunday & see who's failign there.

We all know this is risky investment. We should never invest what you can't afford to loose.
 
Of course I too hope the best for us in next 2 days.

All the best,
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 19, 2014, 01:34:25 pm
This is not good. HRLTCGEAR and HRNXTPOOL are starting to look like they could be empty barrels... :(
HRNXTpool capital is not tied up in LTCgear, so while it would lose the dividends from the HRLTCgear that it has, its hardware is not affected.

Now HRLTCgear is a passthrough asset that passes through what  comes from LTCgear. So if LTCgear doesnt send anything, there is nothing to passthrough

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 19, 2014, 01:35:12 pm
We have 2 possible points of failure which are LTCGear itself and pf as the manager of our funds.

We have to wait until sunday & see who's failign there.

We all know this is risky investment. We should never invest what you can't afford to loose.
 
Of course I too hope the best for us in next 2 days.

All the best,
It is public knowledge about LTCgear delaying payments, so how can this be anything about pf?

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: kimmel on December 19, 2014, 01:39:41 pm

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It is public knowledge about LTCgear delaying payments, so how can this be anything about pf?

I'm not saying that.

Just pointing out that everyone of us investing in this kind of assets knows that they have 2 points of failure.

I have nothing to blame to pf, he's been transparent and doing his best; don't missunderstand me
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 19, 2014, 03:08:17 pm
Maybe this helps you @PF

A contribution from November on the topic LTCgear. Sorry, only available in German. The last sentence is interesting.
Paypal data are known by Chris.
http://noobgoesbitcoin.com/ltcgear/

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 03:38:32 pm
to those of you who have been sending me messages of support, i greatly appreciate it.  i have been nearly physically sick about all this waiting for the week.

still no payout, our timer expired 24 hours ago.  litecointalk.org thread shows several people are in the same situation.  i am staying active on both that forum, this one, and #ltcgear and I will let people know of any developments.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 03:43:24 pm
This is not good. HRLTCGEAR and HRNXTPOOL are starting to look like they could be empty barrels... :(
HRNXTpool capital is not tied up in LTCgear, so while it would lose the dividends from the HRLTCgear that it has, its hardware is not affected.

Now HRLTCgear is a passthrough asset that passes through what  comes from LTCgear. So if LTCgear doesnt send anything, there is nothing to passthrough

James

HTNXTpool hardware is really generating dust compared to HTLTCgear, so that's not really helping matters.  HRNXTpool dividends depend 90% on HRLTCgear.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 03:46:01 pm
to those of you who have been sending me messages of support, i greatly appreciate it.  i have been nearly physically sick about all this waiting for the week.

still no payout, our timer expired 24 hours ago.  litecointalk.org thread shows several people are in the same situation.  i am staying active on both that forum, this one, and #ltcgear and I will let people know of any developments.

Don't get sick over it.  It's just crypto.  As far as we know LTCgear is to blame.  You've done well by this community 'n generally seem to have everyone's support.  Unless we find out your a scammer.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 03:48:17 pm
Maybe this helps you @PF

A contribution from November on the topic LTCgear. Sorry, only available in German. The last sentence is interesting.
Paypal data are known by Chris.
http://noobgoesbitcoin.com/ltcgear/
can anyone translate this?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 03:51:43 pm
Maybe this helps you @PF

A contribution from November on the topic LTCgear. Sorry, only available in German. The last sentence is interesting.
Paypal data are known by Chris.
http://noobgoesbitcoin.com/ltcgear/
can anyone translate this?

Mr Google Translate cannot?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 19, 2014, 03:54:02 pm
Maybe this helps you @PF

A contribution from November on the topic LTCgear. Sorry, only available in German. The last sentence is interesting.
Paypal data are known by Chris.
http://noobgoesbitcoin.com/ltcgear/
can anyone translate this?

translate.google.com gives a decent translation. It doesn't look like any new information.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 03:54:50 pm
Google translate worked - does anyone know who we can reach out to that has Chris' real paypal information?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 03:59:46 pm
Google translate worked - does anyone know who we can reach out to that has Chris' real paypal information?

uh oh...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 19, 2014, 04:06:07 pm
Google translate worked - does anyone know who we can reach out to that has Chris' real paypal information?

yeah i know someone.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=47306

Pistachio from BCT bought a bunch from chris with paypal to hedge his risks
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 04:17:42 pm
Has it really come down to chasing him down by his PayPal details?

Could you please summarize everything up, what has happened to date and what actions are being taken?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 19, 2014, 04:30:56 pm
Has it really come down to chasing him down by his PayPal details?

I don't think that's an acurate description of the situation.

We shouldn't fall into any panic mode and just be a little more patient. Most people have already been paid and I think it's just a matter of time until our payment is getting worked out.

Asking for PayPal details is a nice thing to have though if it should all blow up, which I don't think it will.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 04:32:26 pm
Has it really come down to chasing him down by his PayPal details?

I don't think that's an acurate description of the situation.

We shouldn't fall into any panic mode and just be a little more patient. Most people have already been paid and I think it's just a matter of time until our payment is getting worked out.

Asking for PayPal details is a nice thing to have though if it should all blow up, which I don't think it will.

It's over a week of being patient.  Time for some action.  What is being done to fix the problem?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 19, 2014, 04:39:56 pm
Has it really come down to chasing him down by his PayPal details?

I don't think that's an acurate description of the situation.

We shouldn't fall into any panic mode and just be a little more patient. Most people have already been paid and I think it's just a matter of time until our payment is getting worked out.

Asking for PayPal details is a nice thing to have though if it should all blow up, which I don't think it will.

It's over a week of being patient.  Time for some action.  What is being done to fix the problem?

Well I think we will know a lot more in a couple of days than we do today so I would advise you to sit tight a little bit longer and then think about what needs to be done.

Also this post is quite interesting and describes why the delays are happening:
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22563.msg231697#msg231697
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 04:46:25 pm
I got his paypal details and stuff from Pistachio (great guy, him)
I will continue to wait some more.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 04:47:07 pm
Thanks, but if we sit tight for ages and ages, then we get burned while other sell and protect their losses.  Waiting a while is sensible, but it's getting excessive now.  Folks are chasing him with PayPal details now... that's a wake-up call.  Time to get realistic.

I don't want to end up holding an empty bag.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 04:49:31 pm
I've considered panic selling the shares OTC
unfortunately that would be at a sizable loss.  It would mean that the asset would have been profitable for most people but not profitable for some people.  It would be a nightmare to try and sort out.

And no doubt the minute the panic selling started, Chris would finally pay out.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 04:51:35 pm
I've considered panic selling the shares OTC
unfortunately that would be at a sizable loss.  It would mean that the asset would have been profitable for most people but not profitable for some people.  It would be a nightmare to try and sort out.

And no doubt the minute the panic selling started, Chris would finally pay out.

I am not sure it would be fair for you to "panic sell" without approval of assetholders, no? Something to consider at this point, however.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 04:52:25 pm
I've considered panic selling the shares OTC
unfortunately that would be at a sizable loss.  It would mean that the asset would have been profitable for most people but not profitable for some people.  It would be a nightmare to try and sort out.

And no doubt the minute the panic selling started, Chris would finally pay out.

I am not sure it would be fair for you to "panic sell" without approval of assetholders, no? Something to consider at this point, however.
obviously not
I think the next 24 hours will tell us entirely whether or not LTCgear is legitimate or not.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 04:54:05 pm
Thanks.  I think I already have the answer and will take necessary action.  Thanks for all your great work and being transparent as possible.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: kimmel on December 19, 2014, 05:01:14 pm
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Well I think we will know a lot more in a couple of days than we do today so I would advise you to sit tight a little bit longer and then think about what needs to be done.

Agree; between sunday and monday if nothing has been solved we need to start thinking about actions.

I was loosing money in a previous scam with bit-mining.co (yeah it seems i'm not lucky with mining); we got a list of scammed users of around 80 btc and all info about the people behind the webpage; who was living in canada; also a response from the webpage hosting company telling us that they would reveal the information of who owned domain&hosting if a lawyer required it.

We found some lawyers and chose one based in canada; we were not lucky with the funding for the lawyer though, it was around 4.000$ for the small court claim; we finally were 4 individuals from different countries getting into the claim and some of them didn't put their part so couldn't go ahead with that claim. The site I used for this was: http://bitminingclaim.blogspot.com.es/ (http://bitminingclaim.blogspot.com.es/)

Just throwing some ideas
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 19, 2014, 05:01:32 pm
Chris is still around, offering discounts apparently (see https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22563.3660), so I say hold for now and wait it out. I'm guessing there is a batch of payments coming sometime today and that this week's payment will be a day late (coming through tomorrow's batch).

I could be wrong but that's my best guess based on what I've seen.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 05:41:43 pm
Missing the batch payment for one of your largest customers and not responding... it just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Ylluks on December 19, 2014, 05:51:16 pm
pf, thank you for your hard work and communication.

For now i think beeing a bit more patient and trying to get clarity from chris as to our situation, is the best option.

it's crappy that this happened but i stil believe it will work out.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 19, 2014, 05:58:20 pm
We'll see what happens. Normal would us now ~ 72 BTC missing with the current week.

Information is everything. PF proceed care of your Paypal data.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 19, 2014, 05:58:55 pm
Thanks, but if we sit tight for ages and ages, then we get burned while other sell and protect their losses.  Waiting a while is sensible, but it's getting excessive now.  Folks are chasing him with PayPal details now... that's a wake-up call.  Time to get realistic.

I don't want to end up holding an empty bag.

I don't like when people say we should sell something because we think it is some type of scam that will never pay out. Doing that makes us no better than the initial scamer. I would rather eat the loss than become a scamers proxy.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: dolux on December 19, 2014, 06:07:42 pm
Thanks, but if we sit tight for ages and ages, then we get burned while other sell and protect their losses.  Waiting a while is sensible, but it's getting excessive now.  Folks are chasing him with PayPal details now... that's a wake-up call.  Time to get realistic.

I don't want to end up holding an empty bag.

I don't like when people say we should sell something because we think it is some type of scam that will never pay out. Doing that makes us no better than the initial scamer. I would rather eat the loss than become a scamers proxy.


+1
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: mnporter2001 on December 19, 2014, 06:18:50 pm
What a load of bollocks !
People cant blame  PF for this it's then clown running ltcgear.

If it goes tits up so be it, any one with half a brain jumped in at the start and ROI'ed anyway.

Further more I will offer 0.05 for your shares (pm me )

The rest of you acuusing and calling things scams etc can jog the fuck on... its crypto FFS its all a gamble.

@PF chill ignore the clowns this clearly is not your fault !!!!

Cheers
Mark

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Pilot on December 19, 2014, 06:21:00 pm
People cant blame  PF for this it's then clown running ltcgear.

Who blamed PF?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: RAlex on December 19, 2014, 06:23:34 pm
People cant blame  PF for this it's then clown running ltcgear.
Ha ha ha. Good one. Can anyone even approximately estimate how rich is this "clown" by now?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: kimhansen on December 19, 2014, 06:26:02 pm
I think we should be a little patient and not jump to irreversible negative action right away. Ike from SAAS was in the same situation and in the end the payment came through.

This is very unfortunate for pf and all investors, but lets work together, keep a positive spirit and support pf as much as we can.

Just my 2 cents..
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: th4o on December 19, 2014, 06:34:56 pm
I think we should be a little patient and not jump to irreversible negative action right away. Ike from SAAS was in the same situation and in the end the payment came through.

This is very unfortunate for pf and all investors, but lets work together, keep a positive spirit and support pf as much as we can.

Just my 2 cents..

+1140 :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Wongi on December 19, 2014, 07:35:18 pm
Hopefully things will clear up. Still full confidence in Pf.
Selling the qAsics would be a bad idea imo.

But i can't stop thinking about the bad signs of a ponzi. Lack of communication (LTCGear), it seems only small payouts happen - to keep the masses calm.
I dont think Chris is a scammer. But for me it reads as if he is hiding that he was hacked and the big chunk of BTC is lost.
I hope that I am wrong. But the nice last minute offers look like he seriously needs BTC - maybe to do payouts and buy some time to recover from a hack.

Still being optimistic.  I have the feeling chris will pay us soon.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 19, 2014, 07:55:29 pm
Just to clarify, we are holding all the qAsics and hoping that Chris comes through for us.

will update further soon as there is a development, or likely later today if there still isn't. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: RAlex on December 19, 2014, 08:02:06 pm
Just to clarify, we are holding all the qAsics and hoping that Chris comes through for us.

will update further soon as there is a development, or likely later today if there still isn't. :)

How about selling 10% of qASICs each day, you can still repurchase those if these delays are legit, or at least give shareholders something in 10 days from today?
EDIT: in each case this is loose-loose, but not catastrophic at least.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: martismartis on December 19, 2014, 10:51:36 pm
Pf, maybe you have to validate your payout addresses, even if you didn't change them?

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You must have missed this post.
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Guys, the 24 hours lock system is in place since yesterday.

It ran for almost 24 hours which is current requirement to validate payment information (it was 48 hours in first draft, but it got halved to allow faster resolution with postponed payments, it will be raised to 48 hours next week). Less than 20% of the users visited the account page to check the new system and validate their payment information.
They will find themselves during payout day with payment postponed.
The affiliate payment already ran with something like 5% - 10% affiliate partners having their payment info not validated in time. They will require another payment in 24 hours.
Please visit your account on ltcgear..

Kind Regards,
Chris
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: m30188 on December 19, 2014, 10:56:43 pm
Isn't this the whole purpose of smart contracts?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: okaynow on December 19, 2014, 11:06:39 pm
Just to clarify, we are holding all the qAsics and hoping that Chris comes through for us.

will update further soon as there is a development, or likely later today if there still isn't. :)


thanks for going through this, i am confident it will work out. The litecointalk & ltcgeartalk threads aswell as the irc channel
do not give out a negative feeling, and chris seems to have build quite a trust in the litecoin community.

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 19, 2014, 11:56:37 pm
Just to clarify, we are holding all the qAsics and hoping that Chris comes through for us.

will update further soon as there is a development, or likely later today if there still isn't. :)

How about selling 10% of qASICs each day, you can still repurchase those if these delays are legit, or at least give shareholders something in 10 days from today?
EDIT: in each case this is loose-loose, but not catastrophic at least.

This is a sensible idea.  Everyone is in denial holding onto a thread, but that is probably not the best strategy.  Those who get out early could be be better off.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 20, 2014, 12:02:57 am
@pf,
have you cheched the age of weekly dividend ltc. if it was mined, it will be young.
just want to get more confidence.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 20, 2014, 12:31:24 am
New post from Chris:

Quote
Hi guys,

More than half of the user base which should receive payments did not visit the website to verify their addresses it's a very solid reason.
If they don't show in 24 hours, they will get their payments postponed.

Sukari, I checked, your lockdown was removed after last payment was sent, on Dec 18. The system is not designed to send small payments every hour, payments need to be grouped.
You will get your payment in next group, but it's your job to make sure you are out of lockdown as soon as possible.

Kind Regards,
Chris

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22563.msg232039#msg232039
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 20, 2014, 12:48:27 am
We had our lockdown removed on december 18 nope ?

I hope we get double payment tomorrow.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 20, 2014, 12:50:08 am
Asset holders have been told to wait a day or two over and over again.  Not fault of pf.  Optimism forum.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: whatnxt on December 20, 2014, 01:32:38 am
The facts at the moment:



I think there is room to wait and see for now. You may disagree xibeijan, and you can sell out if you want to, that is your choice, however, we should all be making our own decisions.

What would be better to discuss is how we go forward from here. These delays will happen again as the Ltcgear user base out grows the infrastructure again. Do we want to be at the mercy of ltcgear or not?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 20, 2014, 01:39:30 am
Hey guys
yes, our lockout counter expired on the 18th
i am hopeful that this week we will recieve a double payment
i will update everyone as soon as we have.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 20, 2014, 02:03:05 am
I'm in the wait and see (definitely don't panic sell) camp... as well as the I-wish-Chris-would-communicate-better camp.

But once we do get our payouts and dividends have been paid, then I would like to have a nice leisurely discussion about what to do moving forward. This is a good investment in terms of percent gain and speed of ROI (as long as it continues to pay), but it's also a stressful one at the moment.

I saw briefly on the site that there was a multiplication coming on Christmas Eve, but that has since been removed. There's also the question of do we buy gen 1 or gen 2 asics, and now I'd like to add the one about do we buy anything more at all.

I also saw The Mage weigh in on one of the I-haven't-yet-gotten-paid threads on Litecoin Talk. He mentioned having exchanged a few PM's with Chris and having some additional knowledge of "the situation." I'm not sure if this would be appropriate at this point, but he may be a good possibility for a mediator if Chris doesn't want to talk to pf directly, which it appears he doesn't.

I, for one, would like to have the expectations cleared up about when we can expect payments and what sorts of things delay them, etc., as well as what is the best process for addressing a situation where payouts don't occur as expected. I say this on Chris's end. pf has been very clear about his expectations and prompt about paying us once he's gotten paid.

Anyway, those are some things that I think we should have a nice chat about once we get through this long wait.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 20, 2014, 02:06:45 am
Not sure if this is relevant or not, but check out the latest update at the top of the page: http://ltcgear.com/ltc-payments/

pf, did you validate your address, whatever that means?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 20, 2014, 02:17:53 am
And while you're at it, if you ever do get to communicate with Chris, feel free to mention that I'm a freelance writer and I could easily turn his cryptic posts into clear communication. I'd only charge one share per post. Chris clearly is a very successful miner but neither communication nor clear writing are his strong points. I've seen similar offers posted from IT guys as well. Anyway, only if you think it will help ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 20, 2014, 03:53:53 am
Hey guys
yes, our lockout counter expired on the 18th
i am hopeful that this week we will recieve a double payment
i will update everyone as soon as we have.

Personally, I don't think there is anything to worry about. Just a pain in the butt, but I'm sure eventually Chris will pay the full amount of your mining income. It is a great opportunity to pick up cheap asset shares though :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: yiiy on December 20, 2014, 04:12:26 am
“..more than half of the user base which should received payments did not validate their addresses

(did not visit the website since the new system is in place).



This means only when most of the people relogin ,the payment will action!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 20, 2014, 05:07:43 am
By the way pf, Chris just posted this to litecointalk, not sure if you'd seen it or not -

Hey Chris,

The recent affiliate payments happened during the 24-hour lockout on my account. My affiliate ID is 507 - I'm not sure if it has been noted and will be taken care of already, but I figured I'd check and see if there's anything else I should do.

Thanks!

No, payment will be grouped and rescheduled.
Btw, and there was indeed an issue with some payments in LTC, few guys which posted here, they were flagged at first filter (address change + IP/login) and they were never reinstated. That will be also sent with next payment.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 20, 2014, 05:08:30 am
Hey guys
yes, our lockout counter expired on the 18th
i am hopeful that this week we will recieve a double payment
i will update everyone as soon as we have.

Personally, I don't think there is anything to worry about. Just a pain in the butt, but I'm sure eventually Chris will pay the full amount of your mining income. It is a great opportunity to pick up cheap asset shares though :)
while Chris has a relatively long track record, the last week should give people a bit of a pause as to the risk part of the equation. Unless you know something others dont, I would not put the chances at 100% for full payment. Neither would I put it at 0%.

Let us be a bit logical here. Can anybody estimate the amount of hashrate that LTCgear has sold? I remember someone estimated pf had ~2% of it. If so, we can get a total hashrate for LTCgear, right? How does that compare to all of the LTC hashrate.

If someone can dig up these numbers, I can do some guesstimating. Remember when I said to follow: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

This last week the difficulty dropped by ~10%? So if LTCgear represents a small percentage of all of LTC hashrate, this could just be old hardware switching to other coins as LTC price also dropped. If LTCgear represents the vast majority of all LTC hashrate.... well that would sure change the picture.

So, if people want some actual analysis instead of wild speculations presented as fact, then please dig this info up

James
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 20, 2014, 06:35:52 am
Hey guys
yes, our lockout counter expired on the 18th
i am hopeful that this week we will recieve a double payment
i will update everyone as soon as we have.

Personally, I don't think there is anything to worry about. Just a pain in the butt, but I'm sure eventually Chris will pay the full amount of your mining income. It is a great opportunity to pick up cheap asset shares though :)
while Chris has a relatively long track record, the last week should give people a bit of a pause as to the risk part of the equation. Unless you know something others dont, I would not put the chances at 100% for full payment. Neither would I put it at 0%.

Let us be a bit logical here. Can anybody estimate the amount of hashrate that LTCgear has sold? I remember someone estimated pf had ~2% of it. If so, we can get a total hashrate for LTCgear, right? How does that compare to all of the LTC hashrate.

If someone can dig up these numbers, I can do some guesstimating. Remember when I said to follow: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

This last week the difficulty dropped by ~10%? So if LTCgear represents a small percentage of all of LTC hashrate, this could just be old hardware switching to other coins as LTC price also dropped. If LTCgear represents the vast majority of all LTC hashrate.... well that would sure change the picture.

So, if people want some actual analysis instead of wild speculations presented as fact, then please dig this info up

James

Is it possible to check the coinage of paid LTC from LTCgear?
so we can know whether the LTC was mined.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 20, 2014, 08:14:44 am
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg232139#msg232139

So we hopefully get everything with the next payment.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: escalicha on December 20, 2014, 01:43:07 pm
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg232139#msg232139

So we hopefully get everything with the next payment.

After that if people keep selling, they are crazy. Double Payment tomorrow and next week PF asset divident payment. If people sell, they will have loses I think. The ROI of 6-8 weeks its crazy and they dont underestand.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 20, 2014, 01:53:02 pm
Everyone assumes we will not be here waiting for payment in a weeks time.   Every day it's the same thing.. payout tomorrow, but it never comes.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: whatnxt on December 20, 2014, 02:11:49 pm
Everyone assumes we will not be here waiting for payment in a weeks time.   Every day it's the same thing.. payout tomorrow, but it never comes.

Yes we will be waiting for a payout next week, especially if the payout day stays as Sunday.

In any case, if everything is legit, then we are likely to have delays in the future as we out grow the payment infrastructure or when the hackers find a new entry point. So expect a delay.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 20, 2014, 02:15:37 pm
is crazy sell the day before payment, many people can't stand the pressure and sold at loss. I think everything is fine. chris is alive and Pf isn't scammer.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 20, 2014, 04:16:34 pm
Hey guys
still waiting
apparently this week's cutoff got pushed to 00:00 UTC tonight
and because my timer expired after the last cutoff on the 18th, I should be getting all the coin then
I will update further as soon as i know more
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: popolozo on December 20, 2014, 05:10:55 pm
next week we will wait for triple pay?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 21, 2014, 01:13:07 am
Hey guys
yes, our lockout counter expired on the 18th
i am hopeful that this week we will recieve a double payment
i will update everyone as soon as we have.

Personally, I don't think there is anything to worry about. Just a pain in the butt, but I'm sure eventually Chris will pay the full amount of your mining income. It is a great opportunity to pick up cheap asset shares though :)
while Chris has a relatively long track record, the last week should give people a bit of a pause as to the risk part of the equation. Unless you know something others dont, I would not put the chances at 100% for full payment. Neither would I put it at 0%.

Let us be a bit logical here. Can anybody estimate the amount of hashrate that LTCgear has sold? I remember someone estimated pf had ~2% of it. If so, we can get a total hashrate for LTCgear, right? How does that compare to all of the LTC hashrate.

If someone can dig up these numbers, I can do some guesstimating. Remember when I said to follow: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/litecoin/difficulty

This last week the difficulty dropped by ~10%? So if LTCgear represents a small percentage of all of LTC hashrate, this could just be old hardware switching to other coins as LTC price also dropped. If LTCgear represents the vast majority of all LTC hashrate.... well that would sure change the picture.

So, if people want some actual analysis instead of wild speculations presented as fact, then please dig this info up

James
Copying what I just posted on my thread -

Well, lets assume LTCgear does have all this mining hardware. If it were me, I would definitely not just mine LTC with it. I'd spread the hashpower out over the top 10 most profitable scrypt coins as long as they had a large enough volume to handle it, and point some hashpower at Nicehash, merged mine with Dogecoin, etc.  If mining profitability of LTC goes down, move some hashpower to more profitable coins for a while. Convert to LTC/BTC to make payments, and keep the difference as profit.

At the very least he's got to be merged mining LTC/Doge, I mean, why the hell wouldn't you? It basically doubles your mining profit. Chris could probably get the entire weekly mining income with about half the hashpower of what he's sold.

Also, as printshop mentioned, he's definitely had a huge amount of hashpower going the entire time, and just gradually sells off the shares, so you're not going to see a difficulty spike when a big chunk of shares get sold.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 21, 2014, 01:15:59 am

Is it possible to check the coinage of paid LTC from LTCgear?
so we can know whether the LTC was mined.

I was wondering this same thing. Not a huge crypto expert here. Is there a way to trace a coin and see what block it was mined in? Then we'd know if we were receiving "freshly minted" LTC or old worn out LTC :p
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 21, 2014, 01:21:46 am

Is it possible to check the coinage of paid LTC from LTCgear?
so we can know whether the LTC was mined.

I was wondering this same thing. Not a huge crypto expert here. Is there a way to trace a coin and see what block it was mined in? Then we'd know if we were receiving "freshly minted" LTC or old worn out LTC :p

Yeah this has been done a lot of times before and it's always been fresh mined ltc, but from a variety of pools
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 21, 2014, 02:57:49 am
Last update on the payment page.

" Payments will be batched and executed around 06:00 UTC. Payments for accounts missing address validation will be postponed. "

3 more hours guys !
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 21, 2014, 04:02:17 am
That is excellent news, and I hope it materializes.

I would like to see those calculations that James mentioned. I'd like to verify that we are still invested in an actual mining operation, and that the payment delays really were due to website upgrades/issues. I'd feel more comfortable if this was done before pf bought any more hardware. I'm still optimistic, but in light of what happened (or more to the point, what didn't happen) this past week, I think it makes sense to do a bit more checking up on things.

I've noticed that there's a fair amount of downward pressure on LTC price, so I can see the possibility of even a good operation starting to lose control of payouts and try to keep up with funds other than what comes in by mining. I'm not saying this is happening here, but it doesn't hurt to check things out a bit more.

I would like to believe that in this case, it really was website security issues and that Chris caught some potential problems very early on. I'm hoping our verification will further confirm this.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Phönix on December 21, 2014, 04:20:50 am
I no longer believe in HTLTCGEAR. I have since sold all my shares. I only hear tomorrow, next week, or 10 or 3 hours. I think there is no business around the world, the 10% per week yields returns. That was just a dream.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 21, 2014, 04:30:38 am
I no longer believe in HTLTCGEAR. I have since sold all my shares. I only hear tomorrow, next week, or 10 or 3 hours. I think there is no business around the world, the 10% per week yields returns. That was just a dream.

Won't it be hilarious if the payout happens for 2 weeks right after you sold?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 21, 2014, 04:36:33 am
Last update on the payment page.

" Payments will be batched and executed around 06:00 UTC. Payments for accounts missing address validation will be postponed. "

3 more hours guys !

any news? 3 hours has passed
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 21, 2014, 04:41:08 am
Not yet haha I posted @ 02:57:49 am and it's 4:40:00 am (according to forum time). It's not even 2 hours yet :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 21, 2014, 05:32:10 am
Payments will be batched and executed around 10:00 UTC. Payments for accounts missing address validation will be postponed.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: yiiy on December 21, 2014, 05:51:01 am
Last update on the payment page.

" Payments will be batched and executed around 06:00 UTC. Payments for accounts missing address validation will be postponed. "

3 more hours guys !

 06:00 UTC  or  10:00 UTC?..11....12.....13........................................................?????????????.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Phönix on December 21, 2014, 09:35:18 am
or tomorrow or next week or never
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: Phönix on December 21, 2014, 10:03:53 am
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 21, 2014, 11:50:02 am
There are people selling to 0.76 .

Why not wait a little longer with popcorn in hand ? ;D
I left a little bad taste but with popcorn and dividends hope I pass  ;D


regards
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: martismartis on December 21, 2014, 11:52:14 am
There are people selling to 0.76 .

Why not wait a little longer with popcorn in hand ? ;D
I left a little bad taste but with popcorn and dividends hope I pass  ;D


regards

People talking payouts from LTCgear just started.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: popolozo on December 21, 2014, 12:06:11 pm
wait a little longer with popcorn in hand and then selling to 0.1??
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 21, 2014, 12:07:57 pm
wait a little longer with popcorn in hand and then selling to 0.1??

LOL nop ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: escalicha on December 21, 2014, 12:08:06 pm
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759743.msg9904897#msg9904897


Niceeeeee!!!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 21, 2014, 12:30:10 pm
+1 keep calm
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: martismartis on December 21, 2014, 12:41:03 pm
Now it would be nice to see all sell orders at bter are eaten :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Wongi on December 21, 2014, 12:44:37 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/UtBvQsh.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: mikesbmw on December 21, 2014, 01:22:57 pm
Hmmm, I got about 20K shares of HRTLCgear.

If this fails, than that would make it my biggest loss to  date. I dodged some bullets in the past, let's hope this is another one of those bullets *fingers crossed*.  :-\
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 21, 2014, 02:52:38 pm
I received a payment  8)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: mnporter2001 on December 21, 2014, 04:04:06 pm
I received a payment  8)

A payment from whom ? LTCGear or PF ?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: PureVision on December 21, 2014, 04:09:00 pm
LTCGear started doing payouts again.
I received my payout a couple of hours ago...
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: xibeijan on December 21, 2014, 04:11:38 pm
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus

+1.  No one has received anything yet.  Just wait another week while I quietly sell all mine.
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: cexylikepie on December 21, 2014, 04:40:48 pm
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus

as you already sold why are you still here?

gonna have some major regret coming your way if pf isn't scamming anyone, because payouts got sent this week lol, i paid my asset
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: wiser on December 21, 2014, 04:45:54 pm
gonna have some major regret coming your way if pf isn't scamming anyone, because payouts got sent this week lol, i paid my asset

Can you share how much your asset account was paid? I'm hoping it was a large payment, like greater than 5 BTC, because so far I've only seen evidence of smaller amounts being paid.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: m30188 on December 21, 2014, 05:12:00 pm
Hmmm, I got about 20K shares of HRTLCgear.

If this fails, than that would make it my biggest loss to  date. I dodged some bullets in the past, let's hope this is another one of those bullets *fingers crossed*.  :-\
What was your original exit strategy?
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: xibeijan on December 21, 2014, 05:16:25 pm
gonna have some major regret coming your way if pf isn't scamming anyone, because payouts got sent this week lol, i paid my asset

Can you share how much your asset account was paid? I'm hoping it was a large payment, like greater than 5 BTC, because so far I've only seen evidence of smaller amounts being paid.

Does not sound good.
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: JamesList on December 21, 2014, 06:10:54 pm
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus

+1.  No one has received anything yet.  Just wait another week while I quietly sell all mine.

I wish you guys would just leave and stfu. Chris paid in the last 6 hours more than 1000BTC.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 21, 2014, 06:23:24 pm
omg
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: mnporter2001 on December 21, 2014, 06:26:08 pm
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus

+1.  No one has received anything yet.  Just wait another week while I quietly sell all mine.

I wish you guys would just leave and stfu. Chris paid in the last 6 hours more than 1000BTC.

Who the fuck are you to tell people to STFU ?  When LTCgear pays PF and then PF pays out then all is good, untill then all is fucked and you would be well advised to wind your neck in !

PF is NOT at fault here by the way its LTC Gear, but you sir are a dick as until the NXT  guys get paid out LTCGear is taking the piss !
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: JamesList on December 21, 2014, 07:07:48 pm
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus

+1.  No one has received anything yet.  Just wait another week while I quietly sell all mine.

I wish you guys would just leave and stfu. Chris paid in the last 6 hours more than 1000BTC.

Who the fuck are you to tell people to STFU ?  When LTCgear pays PF and then PF pays out then all is good, untill then all is fucked and you would be well advised to wind your neck in !

PF is NOT at fault here by the way its LTC Gear, but you sir are a dick as until the NXT  guys get paid out LTCGear is taking the piss !

The only job you guys doing here is to spread panic and false information. If you think that helps than keep it up.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 21, 2014, 07:25:50 pm
Still waiting for payout
https://blockchain.info/address/1M1V3ChHsuUu9zNsSupZRKCbnc9cfePTaV is our deposit address btw
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: cexylikepie on December 21, 2014, 07:47:01 pm
gonna have some major regret coming your way if pf isn't scamming anyone, because payouts got sent this week lol, i paid my asset

Can you share how much your asset account was paid? I'm hoping it was a large payment, like greater than 5 BTC, because so far I've only seen evidence of smaller amounts being paid.

Sure can, it was 2.1 btc.
My asset is MUCH smaller since it was my first one and I'm still building trust.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 21, 2014, 07:50:37 pm
chris replied to one of my posts on litecointalk
i have replied and asked him to read and reply to my PM
i will update further once i hear back from him
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 21, 2014, 08:56:18 pm
These delays are not good and don't give a good vibe.  Asset holders are two weeks not received a payment yet.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Peter2516 on December 21, 2014, 09:13:25 pm
These delays are not good and don't give a good vibe.  Asset holders are two weeks not received a payment yet.
(http://wxedgect.s3.amazonaws.com/lglead/2013/04/record_f63b136c8cc8589b_ab1d6ba0221bf7fb_ef4361c70a6a02ef.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: yiiy on December 21, 2014, 09:42:54 pm
Please check your LTCgear account STATUS:"No payment lockdown"should displayed
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 21, 2014, 10:27:22 pm
These delays are not good and don't give a good vibe.  Asset holders are two weeks not received a payment yet.
(http://wxedgect.s3.amazonaws.com/lglead/2013/04/record_f63b136c8cc8589b_ab1d6ba0221bf7fb_ef4361c70a6a02ef.jpg)

I'd say the broken record should go to those saying, "don't worry.  payout will come tomorrow."  Keep repeating it, but never happens.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 21, 2014, 10:31:56 pm
https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg233244#msg233244
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 21, 2014, 11:47:29 pm
If you still haven't been paid... I have no idea what is going on.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: whatnxt on December 21, 2014, 11:50:46 pm
I get the impression that the payment order is smallest first plus some other criteria.
We are likely to be one of the last assets to payout due to size.
We may have to hang around for a long time...
I could be wrong though :)

If that is the case then we have a good reason to break HRLTCGear up into different LTCgear accounts so that they get payouts earlier.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 12:07:12 am
The issue appears to be around website security. Chris keeps finding rogue addresses, apparently--changed in a suspicious way through TOR.

I raised some questions I'd like to go over earlier. I'd like to add the issue of security to the list. Right now the asset pays out around 10% a week, which is what makes it attractive. However, apparently the Internet low life have figured this out and want their cut via various forms of hacking. If you read Litecoin talk the current outcry is for Chris to update his site's security already, which I have no doubt has also crossed his mind. Good site security isn't free. Another outcry has been regarding customer service and communication. Hiring customer support people also costs money. All these things will cut into that impressive 10% return if implemented. If not implemented, we will continue to be plagued with many more weeks like this one until the operation collapses, because hackers and thieves are very dedicated sorts.

Regardless of how this goes, ten percent returns consistently are out the window. I believe we'll get paid eventually, even if Chris has to do it manually. Many others have gotten paid today. But as I said before we will have a lot of reevaluating to do from here on out.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 22, 2014, 12:12:35 am
Hopefully, payout will be a double payout this week.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 22, 2014, 12:14:50 am
The issue appears to be around website security. Chris keeps finding rogue addresses, apparently--changed in a suspicious way through TOR.

I raised some questions I'd like to go over earlier. I'd like to add the issue of security to the list. Right now the asset pays out around 10% a week, which is what makes it attractive. However, apparently the Internet low life have figured this out and want their cut via various forms of hacking. If you read Litecoin talk the current outcry is for Chris to update his site's security already, which I have no doubt has also crossed his mind. Good site security isn't free. Another outcry has been regarding customer service and communication. Hiring customer support people also costs money. All these things will cut into that impressive 10% return if implemented. If not implemented, we will continue to be plagued with many more weeks like this one until the operation collapses, because hackers and thieves are very dedicated sorts.

Regardless of how this goes, ten percent returns consistently are out the window. I believe we'll get paid eventually, even if Chris has to do it manually. Many others have gotten paid today. But as I said before we will have a lot of reevaluating to do from here on out.

+1

At this point I hope he just bites the bullet and hires some pro's to fix the website and use some real 2FA like Authy instead of the email 2FA.  Then whenever you change a payment address it could require you to enter the 2FA again and that would fix the whole issue. It wouldn't be that expensive to have that done would it? Chris must be making a shitload of money, plus it's just a one time thing to make those changes.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 22, 2014, 12:17:06 am
The issue appears to be around website security. Chris keeps finding rogue addresses, apparently--changed in a suspicious way through TOR.

I raised some questions I'd like to go over earlier. I'd like to add the issue of security to the list. Right now the asset pays out around 10% a week, which is what makes it attractive. However, apparently the Internet low life have figured this out and want their cut via various forms of hacking. If you read Litecoin talk the current outcry is for Chris to update his site's security already, which I have no doubt has also crossed his mind. Good site security isn't free. Another outcry has been regarding customer service and communication. Hiring customer support people also costs money. All these things will cut into that impressive 10% return if implemented. If not implemented, we will continue to be plagued with many more weeks like this one until the operation collapses, because hackers and thieves are very dedicated sorts.

Regardless of how this goes, ten percent returns consistently are out the window. I believe we'll get paid eventually, even if Chris has to do it manually. Many others have gotten paid today. But as I said before we will have a lot of reevaluating to do from here on out.

+1

At this point I hope he just bites the bullet and hires some pro's to fix the website and use some real 2FA like Authy instead of the email 2FA.  Then whenever you change a payment address it could require you to enter the 2FA again and that would fix the whole issue. It wouldn't be that expensive to have that done would it? Chris must be making a shitload of money, plus it's just a one time thing to make those changes.

Literally nothing about ltcgear has "made sense" to me since the beginning.

What the fuck kind of company can pay out like Chris has? Even ponzi schemes can't pay out like this...
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 12:27:25 am
Literally nothing about ltcgear has "made sense" to me since the beginning.

What the -- kind of company can pay out like Chris has? Even ponzi schemes can't pay out like this...

Didn't you just say you ran an asset with LTCGear?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 22, 2014, 12:32:12 am
I do! And note that I didn't say I don't believe in ltcgear or think it's a scam or a ponzi or anything.

I just don't understand how he can possibly pay out the way he does. Nothing else anywhere can do it.

:EDIT: Actually, a ponzi COULDN'T pay out like this.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 12:37:54 am
I do! And note that I didn't say I don't believe in ltcgear or think it's a scam or a ponzi or anything.

I just don't understand how he can possibly pay out the way he does. Nothing else anywhere can do it.

:EDIT: Actually, a ponzi COULDN'T pay out like this.

So, you had this doubt in your mind and you still issued your asset?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 22, 2014, 12:42:18 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

Edit: I don't understand a damn thing james does either until it's finished or running.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 12:43:50 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

My understanding is that you run an LTCGear asset, and you don't understand how LTCGear can pay out like it does. That just struck me as an odd combination for an asset issuer. If it were me and I lacked the understanding as to where the payouts come from (or how they were possible) I wouldn't issue the asset. I might buy it, but not issue it. That's all.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 22, 2014, 12:45:33 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

My understanding is that you run an LTCGear asset, and you don't understand how LTCGear can pay out like it does. That just struck me as an odd combination for an asset issuer. If it were me and I lacked the understanding as to where the payouts come from I wouldn't issue the asset. I might buy it, but not issue it. That's all.

Oh I understand where you're coming from then.

Let me retort then. Do you think ANYONE understands how he is doing it? Pf? Printshop? Satoshi?

I don't think they do, or they would have done it themselves. I don't think anyone knows how Chris does it OR THEY WOULD COMPETE WITH HIM!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 12:51:00 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

My understanding is that you run an LTCGear asset, and you don't understand how LTCGear can pay out like it does. That just struck me as an odd combination for an asset issuer. If it were me and I lacked the understanding as to where the payouts come from I wouldn't issue the asset. I might buy it, but not issue it. That's all.

Oh I understand where you're coming from then.

Let me retort then. Do you think ANYONE understands how he is doing it? Pf? Printshop? Satoshi?

I don't think they do, or they would have done it themselves. I don't think anyone knows how Chris does it OR THEY WOULD COMPETE WITH HIM!

Good point :)

I just realized I made an assumption about the level of understanding of this sort of thing that I may have to rethink.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 22, 2014, 12:58:18 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

My understanding is that you run an LTCGear asset, and you don't understand how LTCGear can pay out like it does. That just struck me as an odd combination for an asset issuer. If it were me and I lacked the understanding as to where the payouts come from I wouldn't issue the asset. I might buy it, but not issue it. That's all.

Oh I understand where you're coming from then.

Let me retort then. Do you think ANYONE understands how he is doing it? Pf? Printshop? Satoshi?

I don't think they do, or they would have done it themselves. I don't think anyone knows how Chris does it OR THEY WOULD COMPETE WITH HIM!

Good point :)

I just realized I made an assumption about the level of understanding of this sort of thing that I may have to rethink.

Hell, I can't even tell you how much someone would pay for that information
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: jl777 on December 22, 2014, 01:35:44 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

My understanding is that you run an LTCGear asset, and you don't understand how LTCGear can pay out like it does. That just struck me as an odd combination for an asset issuer. If it were me and I lacked the understanding as to where the payouts come from I wouldn't issue the asset. I might buy it, but not issue it. That's all.

Oh I understand where you're coming from then.

Let me retort then. Do you think ANYONE understands how he is doing it? Pf? Printshop? Satoshi?

I don't think they do, or they would have done it themselves. I don't think anyone knows how Chris does it OR THEY WOULD COMPETE WITH HIM!

Good point :)

I just realized I made an assumption about the level of understanding of this sort of thing that I may have to rethink.

Hell, I can't even tell you how much someone would pay for that information
$5
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: bahamapascal on December 22, 2014, 02:00:57 am
Are you sure you're reading my post correctly?

My understanding is that you run an LTCGear asset, and you don't understand how LTCGear can pay out like it does. That just struck me as an odd combination for an asset issuer. If it were me and I lacked the understanding as to where the payouts come from I wouldn't issue the asset. I might buy it, but not issue it. That's all.

Oh I understand where you're coming from then.

Let me retort then. Do you think ANYONE understands how he is doing it? Pf? Printshop? Satoshi?

I don't think they do, or they would have done it themselves. I don't think anyone knows how Chris does it OR THEY WOULD COMPETE WITH HIM!

Good point :)

I just realized I made an assumption about the level of understanding of this sort of thing that I may have to rethink.

Hell, I can't even tell you how much someone would pay for that information
My assumption/speculation is that he designs the mining equipment him self. Not sure where, but I am quite sure that I read that he was a chip designer. If that's so, he could make very efficient miners and get them at production cost.


Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 02:49:09 am
My assumption/speculation is that he designs the mining equipment him self. Not sure where, but I am quite sure that I read that he was a chip designer. If that's so, he could make very efficient miners and get them at production cost.

That's my impression too, and the costs of website security and customer service have not needed to be deducted from the profits to date.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Djinou94 on December 22, 2014, 03:24:43 am
I received a payment  8)

A payment from whom ? LTCGear or PF ?

LTCGear
But still waiting the last week payout
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 22, 2014, 05:25:33 am
@pf https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=23938.0 check that out and evenutaly post something about our situation. ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 22, 2014, 07:47:34 am
@pf https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=23938.0 check that out and evenutaly post something about our situation. ;)

Those are big sums.  It looks like for some reason Chris cannot keep up with payments.  Things are starting to crumble.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: peggy2jj on December 22, 2014, 08:29:50 am
hopefully tomorrow
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: dsalinas79 on December 22, 2014, 09:44:29 am
Any updates?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 22, 2014, 03:34:07 pm
This is going be an exciting day for those who have not already sold. Someone has opened a 450,000 HRLTCGEAR sell order.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: himmelsfaller2 on December 22, 2014, 05:31:23 pm
This is going be an exciting day for those who have not already sold. Someone has opened a 450,000 HRLTCGEAR sell order.
that 450000 sell order is already open for days or maybe more than a week. so definitively not new.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 05:42:48 pm
This is going be an exciting day for those who have not already sold. Someone has opened a 450,000 HRLTCGEAR sell order.

I thought you said you already sold off your shares. If so, then why are you still here?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 22, 2014, 07:11:20 pm
This is going be an exciting day for those who have not already sold. Someone has opened a 450,000 HRLTCGEAR sell order.

I thought you said you already sold off your shares. If so, then why are you still here?

It's a free world, I am watching the situation closely and will comment whether you like it or not.  Things are looking quite precarious for you and anyone else still holding this asset.  Good luck.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 22, 2014, 07:12:07 pm
This is going be an exciting day for those who have not already sold. Someone has opened a 450,000 HRLTCGEAR sell order.
that 450000 sell order is already open for days or maybe more than a week. so definitively not new.

Didn't notice it before.  Are you sure about that?  Perhaps it's moved lower.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: RAlex on December 22, 2014, 07:31:24 pm
aaand what?
I believe PF is way more stressed out, comparing to the rest of us over this turmoil with LTCGear. None of the mining asset issuers (except ltc2nxt3 and safehash as I know) guarantees your NXT is insured.
That's being said, only Chris knows if dividends from this asset will ever be paid out.

To me personally the idea of delaying payments to the biggest shareholders could be appealing during the last stages of the Ponzi scheme.
Although I am biased, I do hold some mining assets (greed kills brain as they say), I would say there is not much pf (or printshop) can really do. Chris will never respond. Tried LOL.
All is left to the asset holders is to sit tight, and hope for the best.

RAlex

I see noting really changed from the last week. Somehow small investors are getting payments on Fridays and 5>BTC do not at all. As I said before, sure looks like this is very elaborate Ponzi to me. This asset already is 1/2 of what it was few days ago. Will you buy it now? Hm... I will certainly not. As suggested before, please, all mining asset issuers, consider selling small portions of shares everyday.
How many weeks do you guys really need? 3? 4?

P.S. some issuers are giving us new BTC and LTC 0-balance accounts to check. I hope it is not to much if I ask previous accounts too?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 07:35:02 pm
I don't mind considering exit strategies, as long as we can all be involved in the decision. I haven't been following things as much today, but it still seems there are a lot of people, including moderators on the Litecoin Talk forum, who believe this is primarily a security issue.

I would be open to putting up some shares for sale, but at a price comparable to what pf bought them for. No panic selling please.
Title: Re: Reserved
Post by: cashtronx on December 22, 2014, 07:38:53 pm
Future week's dividends will be sent out sometime before the saturday night following friday's weekly payout.
Who still believes in the payout, probably also believes in Santa Claus

+1.  No one has received anything yet.  Just wait another week while I quietly sell all mine.

I wish you guys would just leave and stfu. Chris paid in the last 6 hours more than 1000BTC.

So, if Chris is paying, that means PF is the scammer here!  One while wasnt he/she trying to convert the btc to nxt at a good price?  PF mined xpy and waiting for the payout or stake.  Already did his Christmas shopping with last weeks and this weeks payouts!  Way to go PF!!!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 07:43:22 pm
That is totally uncalled for. Chris is paying... sporadically. pf posted his deposit address and anyone can see from the block chain that it has not been paid.

It's not as simple a situation as who's the scammer here. The Mage, a global moderator on Litecoin Talk, said that the issues LTCGear is dealing with (which seem to include hacking attempts and various security breaches) may cause LTCGear to be viewed as a failed venture, but that doesn't automatically make it a scam.

pf is operating a passthrough asset, which means he can only pay us if he has gotten paid.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Peter2516 on December 22, 2014, 08:55:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Ts28w5o.jpg)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 22, 2014, 09:37:21 pm
edited nvm
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 22, 2014, 09:39:59 pm
a 300 btc payment just went through for a litecointalk member 2 minutes ago

https://blockchain.info/tx/044e32f5e01d70333fb84b744cb936bf49acab518282c111894b18bcf3a63c12

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22563.4965


Sounds good guys, payment are comming slowly but they are comming !!!

That was meant to be a joke ;) 500k btc and it's from 2011
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: mikesbmw on December 22, 2014, 10:46:27 pm
Hmmm, I got about 20K shares of HRTLCgear.

If this fails, than that would make it my biggest loss to  date. I dodged some bullets in the past, let's hope this is another one of those bullets *fingers crossed*.  :-\
What was your original exit strategy?
Sell every time I got a payment. Last time I forgot...
Ah well, shit happens.  :(
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 22, 2014, 11:12:36 pm
pf what they think? Panic makes no sense to write the dividend from already? Or will they wait until everything is over? I think head up forgetting the past two weeks and restart. It all was too good to be true. If we get something good from Chris when he should not fuck himself.

What do people think here? Stagnation is never good!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Mexxer on December 22, 2014, 11:25:55 pm
New Update from Chris:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg234329#msg234329
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 11:29:27 pm
I say we keep waiting. A scrambled database can take a while to sort out.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 22, 2014, 11:33:17 pm
This post from bee is interesting too.

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=23938.msg234335#msg234335

Maybe we should post there so we'll be on this list ?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 22, 2014, 11:39:58 pm
New Update from Chris:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg234329#msg234329

that's all nonsense. Look at the numbers. All the major holders are not paid. What an encrypted database to do with it? Either I can not pay my owner or eban. But to pay a portion and then wait 7 again has nothing to do with the system. So please be realistic and think!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 22, 2014, 11:41:27 pm
It sounds like he is dealing with multiple issues. I think he intends to make good, though. It sounds like he is very concerned about sending a large payment to an incorrect address. It also looks like the waiting game for another few days.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 22, 2014, 11:44:33 pm
It sounds like he is dealing with multiple issues. I think he intends to make good, though. It sounds like he is very concerned about sending a large payment to an incorrect address. It also looks like the waiting game for another few days.

a few days? We now have over 2 weeks. Slowly every IT person should have the problem under control. Unless it shall not be so.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 22, 2014, 11:50:47 pm
I think we should not hope for Chris but look forward. When Chris again have confidence we can we see if we re-boarding. Before, I would not buy any 2 gene. His intentions may perhaps be right, but it is the money from us what is burned here. The risk is only betrayed us all aware no one wants to be. The hope stribt just recently. So PLEASE wake up!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: peterpanda on December 22, 2014, 11:55:54 pm
any reaponse from pf?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 22, 2014, 11:57:43 pm
pf, please elaborate a detailed plan B and let discuss it here.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 23, 2014, 12:13:19 am
pf, please elaborate a detailed plan B and let discuss it here.

Well, we're waiting for PF. However, we should use our facilities. We have the Paypal data but what is a good pressure medium in my eyes when we were cheated.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Cryptographer on December 23, 2014, 12:17:26 am
New Update from Chris:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg234329#msg234329

that's all nonsense. Look at the numbers. All the major holders are not paid. What an encrypted database to do with it? Either I can not pay my owner or eban. But to pay a portion and then wait 7 again has nothing to do with the system. So please be realistic and think!

Huh? I don't even understand this.

Anyway, stop freaking out guys, payments were delayed due to account security issues because apparently Chris doesn't know how to force SSL on his website. In any case, payments are coming out, I'm confident everyone is going to get paid in due time. So... relax.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ASNXT on December 23, 2014, 12:25:22 am
New Update from Chris:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6401.msg234329#msg234329

that's all nonsense. Look at the numbers. All the major holders are not paid. What an encrypted database to do with it? Either I can not pay my owner or eban. But to pay a portion and then wait 7 again has nothing to do with the system. So please be realistic and think!

Huh? I don't even understand this.

Anyway, stop freaking out guys, payments were delayed due to account security issues because apparently Chris doesn't know how to force SSL on his website. In any case, payments are coming out, I'm confident everyone is going to get paid in due time. So... relax.


what they do not understand? they have received over 20 BTC? All under a number got their dividend. Have a look here https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=23938.45
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 23, 2014, 01:42:47 am
Anyway, stop freaking out guys, payments were delayed due to account security issues because apparently Chris doesn't know how to force SSL on his website.

Chris, the leet FPGA/ASIC developer, doesn't know how (or care to) force SSL on his website?  I am ready to buy!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Arkh on December 23, 2014, 04:02:54 am
Some news ( Questions are in bold ) :

Quote from: amoeba on Today at 01:27:33 AM
Chris.

I received the payment Dec 19, but the Dec 12 is still missing.  :-\


I am aware of this issues, database is scrambled and extra verification are required, one payment may be obvious clean, the other may require extra verifications.

Quote
Temporarily disabling the transfer of shares would be in the best interest of all users. This would also enable Chris to backtrack the few shares transferred by the dishonest users attempting to exploit the double payment.

EDIT: If it is possible to assign those user to "group" and then apply a "no share selling" attribute to that "group" of double paid users. Just a thought.


At the same time there are a lot of honest sellers which bought shares to sell them.


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Seriously.  It was like clockwork every Friday for months and months.  What the hell happened?


The one day payout is both and advantage and a disadvantage, it's definitely a disadvantage if some sort of denial of service happens compared with balance and withdraw at demand service.
As I explained, the rules were lax. Not much was happening, what was happening was under a threshold, but three or four weeks ago, around BF/CM, a series of attacks started first with users reporting their wallets hacked, then on user base. Users with big payouts found their addresses changed.
At that point I had to reinstate all checks, but since database is much bigger now than half an year ago, everything amplifies in cascade.
One solution would be to move to balance and withdraw on demand. The other is to harden the infrastructure until this sort of ddos have little effect.







Also on the farm payment page :

UPDATE 00:00 UTC – Payments are still sent slow, database is scrambled, some payments in both BTC and LTC ended being sent twice today because address changes (they will be subtracted next cycle). ETA is 24 hours.
In case you request support, support service is exclusive via e-mail or using link here.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: ifeng on December 23, 2014, 07:25:11 am
Already have two weeks didn't receive the interest, asset markets began to dry, the low price, PF, what exactly is it that we missed?We have some confidence shaken?
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: kimmel on December 23, 2014, 09:46:47 am

Come on, the options are quite simple:

- sell cheap and get the hell out of this asset at great loss

- keep your head cold and stay; only time will tell what happen; and yeah, you might end up loosing all the investment. Or maybe not.

- Maybe you are crazy enough to buy cheap and maybe get nice dividends in the future

That's all folks; we all trust pf will keep doing his best to contact Chris and get payed.

Take a nap  ::)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: dhj1965 on December 23, 2014, 10:28:16 am

Come on, the options are quite simple:

[...]

Take a nap  ::)

Thanks Kimmel... you are abviously as new to this topic as me (looking to the post count) - but you wrote very true words.

Going into crypto currencies is the nearly the same as playing the lottery... No risk no fun.

I have 25.000 shares of pf's asset, It would hurt me surely to have lost all investment. But there's no need to panic. Only invest that amount that you are willing to lose. Always remember "greed eats brain".

And yes - I fully trust pf to do his very best ! I wouldn't like to be in his shoes right now.

dhj.  (Taking a nap now ;D at UTC +7 dawn has just begun)

Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: okaynow on December 23, 2014, 10:39:27 am
whoever is following this asset in the litecoin and ltcgear forums is aware of the issues.
voices here yelling "fire" are trying to manipulate the prices, more than 100.000 assets changed hands under 0.8

pf is only handling a passthru asset, every asset holder -should- know this and should do his own calculations.
do not play with more than you can afford to lose people.

With that said, in the ltcgear irc some large wallets started getting paid, and people are having a good time, so i am rather positive.
I have trust that both chris and pf will come through, and then we will hear from the people that want their shares back, because they panicked.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rubenbc on December 23, 2014, 10:55:19 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5-ZNVjZPY  ;)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: dsalinas79 on December 23, 2014, 11:05:15 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5-ZNVjZPY  ;)

Nice one!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: rlh on December 23, 2014, 01:41:38 pm
If prices head consistently below .5 nxt/ea, I will probably put in a significant number of buys under that value.  A +20-30% roi, week after week is worth investing in, even if all signs today point to "very unlickely".

As much as I'd like to make those purchases, don't be the panicing person that fills my orders.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: cexylikepie on December 23, 2014, 02:48:06 pm
ive been picking up some rock bottom prices for actual qASICs on the site too.

when there is blood on the streets, buy!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 23, 2014, 03:23:52 pm

Come on, the options are quite simple:

- sell cheap and get the hell out of this asset at great loss

- keep your head cold and stay; only time will tell what happen; and yeah, you might end up loosing all the investment. Or maybe not.

- Maybe you are crazy enough to buy cheap and maybe get nice dividends in the future

That's all folks; we all trust pf will keep doing his best to contact Chris and get payed.

Take a nap  ::)

Thanks Kimmel... you are abviously as new to this topic as me (looking to the post count) - but you wrote very true words.

Going into crypto currencies is the nearly the same as playing the lottery... No risk no fun.

I have 25.000 shares of pf's asset, It would hurt me surely to have lost all investment. But there's no need to panic. Only invest that amount that you are willing to lose. Always remember "greed eats brain".

And yes - I fully trust pf to do his very best ! I wouldn't like to be in his shoes right now.

dhj.  (Taking a nap now ;D at UTC +7 dawn has just begun)

+1,000,000 to both of you!
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 23, 2014, 03:26:56 pm
whoever is following this asset in the litecoin and ltcgear forums is aware of the issues.
voices here yelling "fire" are trying to manipulate the prices, more than 100.000 assets changed hands under 0.8

pf is only handling a passthru asset, every asset holder -should- know this and should do his own calculations.
do not play with more than you can afford to lose people.

With that said, in the ltcgear irc some large wallets started getting paid, and people are having a good time, so i am rather positive.
I have trust that both chris and pf will come through, and then we will hear from the people that want their shares back, because they panicked.

+1,000,000 to you too :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 23, 2014, 03:29:37 pm
Hi all,

I got a single response from Chris so far - he indicated that he is working on the issue.  As soon as the missing payouts have been recieved I will be splitting the account into 4 seperate accounts to keep the weekly payout amount a smaller quantity per account (as that seems to have some issue).

I apologize to everyone for the delays, I have done everything that I can do. :<
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: Charlie on December 23, 2014, 03:35:53 pm
Hi all,

I got a single response from Chris so far - he indicated that he is working on the issue.  As soon as the missing payouts have been recieved I will be splitting the account into 4 seperate accounts to keep the weekly payout amount a smaller quantity per account (as that seems to have some issue).

I apologize to everyone for the delays, I have done everything that I can do. :<

Nice work pf. As far as I know only handful of people were able to directly contact Chris. I would suggest to split your account even more, into 10-20. To not only decrease probability for terminal hacking accident, but it looks like payouts below 2BTC are happening on Fridays... especially in LTC.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: pf on December 23, 2014, 03:37:44 pm
I just sent Chris the link to this thread as well, hopefully he at least looks at it. :)
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: wiser on December 23, 2014, 04:07:42 pm
Nice work pf. As far as I know only handful of people were able to directly contact Chris. I would suggest to split your account even more, into 10-20. To not only decrease probability for terminal hacking accident, but it looks like payouts below 2BTC are happening on Fridays... especially in LTC.

Agreed about "nice work pf." I second that!

I think having to deal with more than 4 separate accounts could get unwieldy. pf would have to find the balance between spreading out risk, increasing odds of getting paid consistently on time by having smaller accounts and not putting too much of an administrative burden on himself.
Title: Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
Post by: xibeijan on December 23, 2014, 05:16:58 pm
Nice work pf!

Sad there's still more delays and sluggishness from Chris.  Do you think asset holders be paid within a month's time?

I start to wonder if it ever will be resolved, or is Chris just buying himself time