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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1220 on: February 22, 2015, 01:58:05 am »

for a long time pf was one of the most trusted asset issuers.

Hey, printshop,

I would say that the statement made by you above is an opinion.

I would like to know how you reached that opinion?

Can you quantify it in any way?

Thanks.

Yes. I published charts which show age of asset, sales figures, and market share. pf's assets were market share leaders, comprising more than 50% of all mining assets in the NXT AE. That means more money was invested with PF at that time than all other mining assets combined.

Thanks for that but it just says more punters bought the asset though.
 
That wasn't because it offered the most value for the least price, it had nothing to do with greed, it was because the punters trusted the asset issuer more, not in my book.

My opinion "I actually got a much better deal elsewhere" but this is not a sales pitch either.

Due diligence, do it.

Many times you will read that successful people where not successful because they followed the sheeple.

Thanks for the opportunity.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1221 on: February 22, 2015, 12:50:33 pm »

for a long time pf was one of the most trusted asset issuers.

Hey, printshop,

I would say that the statement made by you above is an opinion.

I would like to know how you reached that opinion?

Can you quantify it in any way?

Thanks.

Yes. I published charts which show age of asset, sales figures, and market share. pf's assets were market share leaders, comprising more than 50% of all mining assets in the NXT AE. That means more money was invested with PF at that time than all other mining assets combined.

Thanks for that but it just says more punters bought the asset though.


Whether or not they were punters is not relevant. More people and/or money was invested in the asset which is a quantifiable measure of trust in that asset. You asked me to quantify my statement, so I did.


Due diligence, do it.

Many times you will read that successful people where not successful because they followed the sheeple.

Thanks for the opportunity.

What you're saying now has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I suspect you came into this trying to find a way to say this, and weren't going to let the thread, topic, question or answer get in your way. Congratulations, you did it.

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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1222 on: February 22, 2015, 01:55:23 pm »

for a long time pf was one of the most trusted asset issuers.

Hey, printshop,

I would say that the statement made by you above is an opinion.

I would like to know how you reached that opinion?

Can you quantify it in any way?

Thanks.

Yes. I published charts which show age of asset, sales figures, and market share. pf's assets were market share leaders, comprising more than 50% of all mining assets in the NXT AE. That means more money was invested with PF at that time than all other mining assets combined.

Thanks for that but it just says more punters bought the asset though.


Whether or not they were punters is not relevant. More people and/or money was invested in the asset which is a quantifiable measure of trust in that asset. You asked me to quantify my statement, so I did.


Due diligence, do it.

Many times you will read that successful people where not successful because they followed the sheeple.

Thanks for the opportunity.

What you're saying now has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I suspect you came into this trying to find a way to say this, and weren't going to let the thread, topic, question or answer get in your way. Congratulations, you did it.

"for a long time pf was one of the most trusted asset issuers."

No you are tying to imply that a larger number of punters buying an asset means that the individual who issues the asset is more trusted and I know that is not true.

"More people and/or money was invested in the asset which is a quantifiable measure of trust in that asset." I don't accept that either.

There is a big difference here between "the most trusted asset issuers" and "a quantifiable measure of trust in that asset" the asset and the issuer are not the same thing.

I also don't think that just because more money was spent on an asset it can be deemed as more trustworthy, to me it simply means more where willing to take the risk and is not a measure of trust.

Due diligence is very appropriate when trying to establish value, worth and trust and more so when people try to mix things up in the way you are doing, intentionally or not.

The only thing your so called evidence establishes is that more of one asst was bought than another.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1223 on: February 22, 2015, 04:49:31 pm »

Geez... the difference between 'trusted' and 'trustworthy' is rather obvious. Arguing about is a waste of time ::).
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1224 on: February 22, 2015, 05:40:32 pm »

Geez... the difference between 'trusted' and 'trustworthy' is rather obvious. Arguing about is a waste of time ::).

A lot like the difference between an asset and a person.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1225 on: February 23, 2015, 06:50:27 pm »

If this ever pays out again I don't want any auto reinvestment, I just want NXT. Do I need to change my re-investment level with an AM? I'm asking because I have always got next even after requesting reinvestment so I'm hoping you don't decide to change now and still plan to pay in NXT not assests.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1226 on: February 23, 2015, 08:38:32 pm »

If this ever pays out again I don't want any auto reinvestment, I just want NXT. Do I need to change my re-investment level with an AM? I'm asking because I have always got next even after requesting reinvestment so I'm hoping you don't decide to change now and still plan to pay in NXT not assests.
Dividends will be sent out entirely in NXT, don't worry about that.
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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1227 on: February 27, 2015, 09:15:42 pm »

http://ltcgear.com/

Server under maintenance (ETA Feb 27 - some accounts got 48 hours payment lock reset and currently only BTC payments are performed).

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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1228 on: February 28, 2015, 12:47:02 pm »

http://ltcgear.com/

Server under maintenance (ETA Feb 27 - some accounts got 48 hours payment lock reset and currently only BTC payments are performed).

This doesnot sound promising. More mumbo-jumbo chron website update. I would say dont hold yer breath.

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Re: [ANN] HRLTCGEAR - fixed price, 9wks & 100% ROI, 2.5+ mil dividends, ~27.5+GH
« Reply #1229 on: February 28, 2015, 08:14:18 pm »

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Dividends will be sent out entirely in NXT, don't worry about that.

Hi !
If assets were bought 2 months ago, and are transferred to other account 2 weeks ago - dividends will be calculated?
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Dividends will be sent out entirely in NXT, don't worry about that.

Hi !
If assets were bought 2 months ago, and are transferred to other account 2 weeks ago - dividends will be calculated?

Dividents are calculated according to the amound of shares that an account holds at time of divident payout. So if you buy today, a mirical happens and payments get send out tommorow, you would be getting the full pay of the last two month or so.
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Dividends will be sent out entirely in NXT, don't worry about that.
Hi !
If assets were bought 2 months ago, and are transferred to other account 2 weeks ago - dividends will be calculated?
Dividents are calculated according to the amound of shares that an account holds at time of divident payout. So if you buy today, a mirical happens and payments get send out tommorow, you would be getting the full pay of the last two month or so.

Thanks !
I expect a miracle :)
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Good thing is that automated script which is changing maintenance date is running very well without delays.

And we know for sure that the day after today is another day which is great for maintenance.

Isn't it nice?

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Chris had posted about the need to have a maintenance week in his update several weeks back - hopefully that week is nearly over and I will have good news for everyone here soon.

If this does pay out, the dividend will likely be considerably higher than the current price of the asset.  (I haven't done the math yet, because nobody knows how much of a 'yearly fee' Chris is going to charge but I suspect the dividend will be ~1NXT/share, potentially even more than that.  ~30 btc/week over 12 weeks adds up quickly)

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Chris had posted about the need to have a maintenance week in his update several weeks back - hopefully that week is nearly over and I will have good news for everyone here soon.

If this does pay out, the dividend will likely be considerably higher than the current price of the asset.  (I haven't done the math yet, because nobody knows how much of a 'yearly fee' Chris is going to charge but I suspect the dividend will be ~1NXT/share, potentially even more than that.  ~30 btc/week over 12 weeks adds up quickly)

Hi PF,

your word in the ear of God  ;D

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Chris had posted about the need to have a maintenance week in his update several weeks back - hopefully that week is nearly over and I will have good news for everyone here soon.

If this does pay out, the dividend will likely be considerably higher than the current price of the asset.  (I haven't done the math yet, because nobody knows how much of a 'yearly fee' Chris is going to charge but I suspect the dividend will be ~1NXT/share, potentially even more than that.  ~30 btc/week over 12 weeks adds up quickly)

only a very naive person or somebody out of touch with reality thinks the ltcgear scammer is still going to pay. \
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Chris had posted about the need to have a maintenance week in his update several weeks back - hopefully that week is nearly over and I will have good news for everyone here soon.

If this does pay out, the dividend will likely be considerably higher than the current price of the asset.  (I haven't done the math yet, because nobody knows how much of a 'yearly fee' Chris is going to charge but I suspect the dividend will be ~1NXT/share, potentially even more than that.  ~30 btc/week over 12 weeks adds up quickly)

only a very naive person or somebody out of touch with reality thinks the ltcgear scammer is still going to pay. \

So, here's my thought - It does seem clear that there was some seriously shady business going on. At this point, I'm not even convinced that there was a mining operation at all. These sort of scams get flushed out reliably when prices fall and you can't keep up any longer, and in this case the BTC crash coincides way too closely with when this asset stopped paying out for me to think it's a coincidence.

BUT! Chris/beekeeper/whoever he is does seem committed to keeping up appearances though. His excuses are flimsy and predictable, but he hasn't outright fled. I'm wondering if he is hoping prices recover enough to resume payouts of whatever scheme he was running in order to maintain his reputation/pride/personal safety/whatever other motive he may have.

So while I'm not convinced that this operation was ever actually legit, I'm also not yet convinced that payouts will never resume.
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My freind worked as bill collector. He said statisicallly that anyone 90 days late on a payment doesnt pay. Chris could be diffferent but odds are against him I fear.

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My freind worked as bill collector. He said statisicallly that anyone 90 days late on a payment doesnt pay. Chris could be diffferent but odds are against him I fear.

Yeah I'd agree it doesn't look great, but also that this situation is quite a bit different than someone who owes on some bills. In this case they aren't just bills, but larges sums of investor's money tied up in a potentially fraudulent operation. The penalties for defaulting on debt (damage to credit, property liens, etc), are different than those of someone who defrauds/steals large amounts of investor money (prison, lawsuits, etc). In this case if it was all vapor, his incentives to figure out a way to make it go away are higher than if he couldn't pay his mortgage.
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Sure. But who has his full name? Knows his PI number? His address? No jail of he cant be caught. Plus its sick and twixted to put automatic updates on websites for hopes that new peeple will keep buying bad investment. But I hear hope springs eternal.
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