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Re: [ANN] NXTinspect - the first CryptoAudit service
« Reply #120 on: October 07, 2014, 04:09:27 am »

ANNOUNCEMENT: We're now on poloniex!

https://www.poloniex.com/exchange/btc_nxti

Does this represent a secondary offering of NXTinspect shares?

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« Reply #121 on: October 07, 2014, 04:33:58 am »

ANNOUNCEMENT: We're now on poloniex!

https://www.poloniex.com/exchange/btc_nxti

Does this represent a secondary offering of NXTinspect shares?

No of course not, polo is simply trading the asset.
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« Reply #122 on: October 07, 2014, 09:35:49 pm »

Newbie askin here. If a second batch of an asset is issued, at which price does this normally happen? The current trade price or more like the IPO price?
Or more specificly: any guess a possible NXTinspect 2nd batch would sell at? :)

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« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2014, 01:24:36 am »

Will this thread be where new reviews are announced, or will they be posted in the respective asset threads?
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« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2014, 10:24:51 am »

Newbie askin here. If a second batch of an asset is issued, at which price does this normally happen? The current trade price or more like the IPO price?
Or more specificly: any guess a possible NXTinspect 2nd batch would sell at? :)

Thank you.

Sorry, we haven't even considered a second offering just yet (including a price). We don't need the finance and we want to create some value for current asset holders. Once we are closer, we'll let you know.
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« Reply #125 on: October 08, 2014, 10:25:36 am »

Will this thread be where new reviews are announced, or will they be posted in the respective asset threads?

I'll likely make a sticky in our sub-thread.
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« Reply #126 on: October 08, 2014, 07:38:13 pm »

Will this thread be where new reviews are announced, or will they be posted in the respective asset threads?

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« Reply #127 on: October 09, 2014, 11:33:49 am »

NXTInspect

Asset ID: 14273984620270850703

Account Number: NXT-QUUE-9M9E-TRC5-24Q2M

This asset is represents the right to a share in the profits from the activities of NXTinspect, this Asset provides a level of due diligence on offerings on the NXT AE and (in future) other decentralised exchanges in order to enable investors to make safer and wiser decisions on where to invest their NXT.

The NXTinspect Team (currently) consists of the following established NXT Forum Members;

whale
jefdisel
chanc3r

The services which will be offered and monetised by the Team are;

Reviews of Assets Pre/Post Launch
Due Diligence on Assets Issuers
Individual Consultations/Research Work
Escrow Services

We intend this to be a very low overhead activity and establish a service that NXTers can rely on, therefore we are issuing 1,000,000 assets @1NXT of which 40% have been allocated to the development / analysis team, 30% are being sold in an initial fund raiser with 30% in reserve to be sold to enable further scale and growth.

Revenue from the above activities will be distributed according to the shares in circulation ie not owned by the issuing account.

To prove this is me validate this token issued by my main account using website text NXTinspect
dp92epv10f7ucn76r5t3526877n5ho6pqt0oskqo1kvcv7i6ivmu0pv10c0no901i47odd5e4c1vqp3bdh5mokpkn6d4894l3hk3msksl4q0p49blm2i5nb2dlk6hivtvj9lps21ebu35d91k8gf5efqp9boujb9

Hi chanc3r. I went through this thread and the one on your sub-forum and I had a few questions which don't seem answered there.

First, you said that 40% of the company would be distributed to team members. I see that Whale currently holds 150,000 NXTinspect, you currently hold 100,242, and that jeff holds 100,164. It looks as if the change shares came from your individual holdings of nxtventure. Notwithstanding the missing 50,000 shares, it looks like this is accounted for. The other part of the IPO was you mentioned a sale of 300,000 and then performed a sale of 50,000 from the for further expansion shares. This also seems like it has been completed, because there remain approx. 250,000 shares in the company. Can you just quickly conform this and that the remaining shares are for "future expansion", and that you will not sell them without a prior announcement? Thanks.

Second question. It appears that you sold 300,000 NXT worth of shares and then 250,000 NXT worth of shares for a total of about 550,000 NXT. There is just over 380,000 NXT in the account, however, for some reason I see three transfers of 70,000 each made to you, whale, and jef. As you have already received your shares I am mystified why you have transferred company money to your personal accounts. Am I missing something here? Can you please explain those transfers?

Three. Please confirm the book value of your company is only 0.73 NXT/share based on a share sale of 300,000 shares at 1 NXT and 50,000 shares at 5 NXT, over a float of 750,000 shares, and please confirm that you have released all relevant material information regarding the status of your company (i.e. that you are not aware of any material reason why your shares are trading at 5x book value, that your company has no other assets or liabilities affecting book value other than share sales).

I know you haven't said what price you will release the remaining shares but if you could quickly comment on price target for your book value that would be great.

Thanks and good luck~
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« Reply #128 on: October 09, 2014, 03:49:54 pm »

Sure...

1. We issued an initial IPO at 1 NXT - because this was a highly speculative venture and our concept is to provide information in a way which means we don't need loads of hardware and such.
2. The way these shares  were bought up was not how we wanted and caused further problems.
3. When the holder of these shares  put them on the market we deliberately set a sell wall to stop the price over heating, these funds are still held in the issuing account as we did not expect to raise them.
4. I will not maintain this type of wall because I don't believe the asset issuer should exploit the trading spread in the market, let the market value us based on what we say and do.
5. So the remainder will not be sold without explaining how and when this will be done in advance.
6. There is 'no company' we are a group of individuals offering a service for which we are taking payment and working to provide a return we have never said anything different.
7. Those transfers pay for our time in setting up NXTinspect and the time and personal expenses we have spent developing the service and will continue to do so over the coming months, and am I going to spell out what those are - 'No'
8. I have my 100k shares but they are not income they are simply shares I will keep them until whenever I have no plans or need to sell.

Valuing a service company is hard, you have to take into account things like intellectual property, partnerships etc. I would use P/E ratings which are often in the range 20-25 which typically gives a 4-5% return, so on a total investment of 550k nxt we should provide a return of over 27,500 in total dividends in the next 12 months, I would hope to do much better than this but until we do some of our first products and see take up I won't know.

If we take the 750k shares @5NXT = 3.75M at 5% return we would need to generate dividends of 187k over the first year, can we do this I don't know yet...

We have taken on two new team members, they will need an income so I guess thats a liability but personally I would view the knowledge and experience that they bring will generate income and thus I consider them assets.

On the final quesition - i know how and when we decide to release the remaining shares I don't know what price to release it at.
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« Reply #129 on: October 09, 2014, 05:11:26 pm »

I love your idea and have invested. As an investor, I hope that you plan to expand beyond the NXT AE and issue reports on the assets/dacs of other crypto 2.0 platforms. If nxtinspect could become one of the big rating/reporting services in the larger crypto space, it could obviously increase its profitability. Is this in your plans? Thanks!
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« Reply #130 on: October 09, 2014, 05:18:57 pm »

Thanks for the support, I hope we do too.
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« Reply #131 on: October 09, 2014, 06:55:12 pm »

Sure...

1. We issued an initial IPO at 1 NXT - because this was a highly speculative venture and our concept is to provide information in a way which means we don't need loads of hardware and such.
2. The way these shares  were bought up was not how we wanted and caused further problems.
3. When the holder of these shares  put them on the market we deliberately set a sell wall to stop the price over heating, these funds are still held in the issuing account as we did not expect to raise them.
4. I will not maintain this type of wall because I don't believe the asset issuer should exploit the trading spread in the market, let the market value us based on what we say and do.
5. So the remainder will not be sold without explaining how and when this will be done in advance.
6. There is 'no company' we are a group of individuals offering a service for which we are taking payment and working to provide a return we have never said anything different.
7. Those transfers pay for our time in setting up NXTinspect and the time and personal expenses we have spent developing the service and will continue to do so over the coming months, and am I going to spell out what those are - 'No'
8. I have my 100k shares but they are not income they are simply shares I will keep them until whenever I have no plans or need to sell.

Ahh I see. I was under the impression you were a company, meaning, that the sum you raised when selling shares would form a kind of book value for your company. This is my experience as an investor speaking.

Valuing a service company is hard, you have to take into account things like intellectual property, partnerships etc. I would use P/E ratings which are often in the range 20-25 which typically gives a 4-5% return, so on a total investment of 550k nxt we should provide a return of over 27,500 in total dividends in the next 12 months, I would hope to do much better than this but until we do some of our first products and see take up I won't know.

A PE of 20+ is way out of line for companies in crypto-space. Even most successful companies do not trade at 1 or 2 P/E/. I'd be interested to see what long term factors affect the P/E of NXTinspect and if you're able to maintain that valuation.

Based on your subscription model I think you will get more than 27k nxt in your first year tho, that should be the easy part.

If we take the 750k shares @5NXT = 3.75M at 5% return we would need to generate dividends of 187k over the first year, can we do this I don't know yet...

We have taken on two new team members, they will need an income so I guess thats a liability but personally I would view the knowledge and experience that they bring will generate income and thus I consider them assets.

As an investor I am worried that your P/E is too high. But as dangerous as I might personally feel that is, the issue over salary is a major red flag. It looks like you are "double dipping", and refusing to explain what the money will be used for is probably not acceptable. For example:

A; company director forms a company and announces he will take 40% of the shares as compensation. He does. Red flags = 0.
B; company director forms a company and announces he will take 30% of the profits as salary. He does. Red flags = 0.
C; company director forms a company and announces he will take 40% of the shares and 30% of the profits as compensation. He does. Red flags = maybe one, investors get next to nothing.
D; company director forms a company and announces he will take 40% of the shares as compensation. He then takes an additional 30% of the profits. Red flags = embezzlement.

See what you did? You have created a loophole where "This asset is represents the right to a share in the profits from the activities of NXTinspect," becomes meaningless. You had a profit making activity -- the sale of shares -- and you decided to take a cut before you paid this money out to shareholders. You are like the director in situation D; you said you are going to take 40% of the shares and then pay profits into shares. But now you are also taking money in the company account for yourselves.

I'm sorry if you think I am coming down on you guys but this situation doesn't feel right to me. It's probably because I can't wrap my head around the "team" i.e. loose collection of bloggers idea. I'm more used to valuing actual companies with assets.
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« Reply #132 on: October 09, 2014, 07:28:24 pm »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I disagree with your interpretation which I am also entitled to do.
Everyone is entitled to trust us to make them some money or not, they may agree with you they may not.
I don't mind you asking questions because we can't inspect ourselves and nothing is hidden as you found out.
If people don't like my direct answers then they don't have to invest.
If people don't like our reports we won't be around long anyway.
if fact some people won't like our reports because it will cost them... others will benefit.

If people don't like or trust our approach they don't need to invest.

Sorry for the shortness but I am very busy right now.
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« Reply #133 on: October 09, 2014, 07:38:35 pm »

Sure...

1. We issued an initial IPO at 1 NXT - because this was a highly speculative venture and our concept is to provide information in a way which means we don't need loads of hardware and such.
2. The way these shares  were bought up was not how we wanted and caused further problems.
3. When the holder of these shares  put them on the market we deliberately set a sell wall to stop the price over heating, these funds are still held in the issuing account as we did not expect to raise them.
4. I will not maintain this type of wall because I don't believe the asset issuer should exploit the trading spread in the market, let the market value us based on what we say and do.
5. So the remainder will not be sold without explaining how and when this will be done in advance.
6. There is 'no company' we are a group of individuals offering a service for which we are taking payment and working to provide a return we have never said anything different.
7. Those transfers pay for our time in setting up NXTinspect and the time and personal expenses we have spent developing the service and will continue to do so over the coming months, and am I going to spell out what those are - 'No'
8. I have my 100k shares but they are not income they are simply shares I will keep them until whenever I have no plans or need to sell.

Ahh I see. I was under the impression you were a company, meaning, that the sum you raised when selling shares would form a kind of book value for your company. This is my experience as an investor speaking.

Valuing a service company is hard, you have to take into account things like intellectual property, partnerships etc. I would use P/E ratings which are often in the range 20-25 which typically gives a 4-5% return, so on a total investment of 550k nxt we should provide a return of over 27,500 in total dividends in the next 12 months, I would hope to do much better than this but until we do some of our first products and see take up I won't know.

A PE of 20+ is way out of line for companies in crypto-space. Even most successful companies do not trade at 1 or 2 P/E/. I'd be interested to see what long term factors affect the P/E of NXTinspect and if you're able to maintain that valuation.

Based on your subscription model I think you will get more than 27k nxt in your first year tho, that should be the easy part.

If we take the 750k shares @5NXT = 3.75M at 5% return we would need to generate dividends of 187k over the first year, can we do this I don't know yet...

We have taken on two new team members, they will need an income so I guess thats a liability but personally I would view the knowledge and experience that they bring will generate income and thus I consider them assets.

As an investor I am worried that your P/E is too high. But as dangerous as I might personally feel that is, the issue over salary is a major red flag. It looks like you are "double dipping", and refusing to explain what the money will be used for is probably not acceptable. For example:

A; company director forms a company and announces he will take 40% of the shares as compensation. He does. Red flags = 0.
B; company director forms a company and announces he will take 30% of the profits as salary. He does. Red flags = 0.
C; company director forms a company and announces he will take 40% of the shares and 30% of the profits as compensation. He does. Red flags = maybe one, investors get next to nothing.
D; company director forms a company and announces he will take 40% of the shares as compensation. He then takes an additional 30% of the profits. Red flags = embezzlement.

See what you did? You have created a loophole where "This asset is represents the right to a share in the profits from the activities of NXTinspect," becomes meaningless. You had a profit making activity -- the sale of shares -- and you decided to take a cut before you paid this money out to shareholders. You are like the director in situation D; you said you are going to take 40% of the shares and then pay profits into shares. But now you are also taking money in the company account for yourselves.

I'm sorry if you think I am coming down on you guys but this situation doesn't feel right to me. It's probably because I can't wrap my head around the "team" i.e. loose collection of bloggers idea. I'm more used to valuing actual companies with assets.
this is starting to look like trolling to me

why not stay in your own thread, or do you want your competitors to buy a few of your assets and make similar concerned troll type of posts?

let us be above this behavior and just each do what we can to build the best services possible

the fact that you are selling shares in a competitive enterprise should make you pause before making such posts as this.  your posts dont feel right to me.

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« Reply #134 on: October 09, 2014, 08:30:34 pm »

this is starting to look like trolling to me

why not stay in your own thread, or do you want your competitors to buy a few of your assets and make similar concerned troll type of posts?

let us be above this behavior and just each do what we can to build the best services possible

the fact that you are selling shares in a competitive enterprise should make you pause before making such posts as this.  your posts dont feel right to me.

James

No, it is now officially my job to ask these sorts of questions, and report on the answers I have been given.

I'm not interested in repeating myself nor trolling, so now that I have asked my questions and gotten a response, you will see that I either move on to other questions or I talk about something else entirely.

Right now, NXTinspect seems to have about 383,000 NXT in it, and 750,000 outstanding shares, giving it a current book value of 0.51 NXT -- not 5, not 3, 0.51. I'd rather put that out there in the thread before I issue an official report, if I have it wrong, please correct me. It's basically just a question.

p.s. as chanc3r suggested, the fact that this was all done in public suggests that they were not trying to hide anything. But I still get to ask the question.
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« Reply #135 on: October 09, 2014, 08:35:48 pm »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I disagree with your interpretation which I am also entitled to do.
Everyone is entitled to trust us to make them some money or not, they may agree with you they may not.
I don't mind you asking questions because we can't inspect ourselves and nothing is hidden as you found out.
If people don't like my direct answers then they don't have to invest.
If people don't like our reports we won't be around long anyway.
if fact some people won't like our reports because it will cost them... others will benefit.

If people don't like or trust our approach they don't need to invest.

Sorry for the shortness but I am very busy right now.

Thanks. FWIW there is no rush to answer, if you need to take a couple of days because you're deep in the code I know the feeling. I just stayed up all night to work on redirect rules for all the sites we're running and set up dokuwiki and mediawiki.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/burnrate.asp

What is your burn rate? You mentioned that you won't be around for long if people don't like your reports. This leads me to two questions; One, how long can you stay in business unprofitably, and two, if you decide to close up shop what happens to the 550,000 NXT you raised -- what percentage, if any, will be returned to investors?

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« Reply #136 on: October 09, 2014, 08:40:21 pm »

this is starting to look like trolling to me

why not stay in your own thread, or do you want your competitors to buy a few of your assets and make similar concerned troll type of posts?

let us be above this behavior and just each do what we can to build the best services possible

the fact that you are selling shares in a competitive enterprise should make you pause before making such posts as this.  your posts dont feel right to me.

James

No, it is now officially my job to ask these sorts of questions, and report on the answers I have been given.

I'm not interested in repeating myself nor trolling, so now that I have asked my questions and gotten a response, you will see that I either move on to other questions or I talk about something else entirely.

Right now, NXTinspect seems to have about 383,000 NXT in it, and 750,000 outstanding shares, giving it a current book value of 0.51 NXT -- not 5, not 3, 0.51. I'd rather put that out there in the thread before I issue an official report, if I have it wrong, please correct me. It's basically just a question.

p.s. as chanc3r suggested, the fact that this was all done in public suggests that they were not trying to hide anything. But I still get to ask the question.
ok, just seems strange to be even caring about the book value of a service company

the value of a service business is the people behind the service, not the book value.

so go ahead and put in your report this book value for the service business, I am sure it will be great comfort to your customers that you are inspecting the NXTinspect book value in great detail

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« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2014, 08:48:38 pm »

Are you guys prepared to be personally attacked every time an asset gets a less-than-favorable rating? Looks like it's something you're going to have to deal with.
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« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2014, 08:55:11 pm »

Personally, these are three core "nxt original posters", at least in my opinion.

In all of my contact with whale I've been telling him to just be honest in their assessment of my asset(s). If they want to give it a bad rating based on their opinion, then that's up to them. These forums have seen more than enough flame wars recently.
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« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2014, 09:11:40 pm »

ok, just seems strange to be even caring about the book value of a service company

the value of a service business is the people behind the service, not the book value.

so go ahead and put in your report this book value for the service business, I am sure it will be great comfort to your customers that you are inspecting the NXTinspect book value in great detail

James

Why would I do that? As I said I am not interested in repeating questions. We have since moved on to burn rate, which is a more interesting metric for a service company.

You are just going to have to get used to people asking basic financial questions. I'm sure NXTinspect will end up doing this too, right? When they try to value a company?
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