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Re: [ANN] NXTinspect - the first CryptoAudit service
« Reply #80 on: October 05, 2014, 07:32:37 pm »

I propose you all a nice exercise. We are trying to balance what will the dangers of possible "conflict of interests" on several already issued assets with owners of NXTinspect, or its prime investors.
But what if we think on new assets IPOs?
What if i issue an asset per se, versus issuing an initial IPO who is funded partially by James AND with a rating of (making this completely up here) A+ from NXTinspect? I firmly believe the advantages are obvious.

In some old post from me i also toyed with the possibility of adding "trust seals" to assets, using a multi-data system like the BTCJam one.
And addressing the "loss of privacy" that someone asks, well, there is no way that someone can trust you if you don't trust in him... Maybe if it is a DAC, only... ;-)


hey Top8
 welcome back, and thanks for your input.
 I'm a bit confused on the wording of your exercise. Proof there is no conflict. I'd like to hear more.

We have also added discussed stars or approval tokens, but these could be gamed. You could play a long ponzi game, build trust and then exploit your rating.
As news happens, updates will occur. Recent info is best.
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« Reply #81 on: October 06, 2014, 11:29:10 am »

Hi Guys

Im new to this forum but can see myself investing heavily in the nxt side in the comming future.
I got some NXTinspect as dividends from my SuperNET assests. Cant wait to buy more in the future :)
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« Reply #82 on: October 06, 2014, 01:02:00 pm »

A question which I have been considering for some time esp. in light of my own asset,

Are you prepared to become liable (by choice, or as a result of legal action) should you write a negative report that contains untrue statements?

I'm sure over the course of the next year you will write both positive and negative reports. But if it can be demonstrated that a negative report from you causes financial damage to a company in terms of lost investment (and this will become obvious over time) and you accidentally say something you shouldn't, you are likely to be sued. What contingency plans do you have in place to prevent that or in case that were to occur?

I'm worried about the same thing, personally, but I am asking this question as a private investor.

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« Reply #83 on: October 06, 2014, 03:43:45 pm »

hey Top8 welcome back, and thanks for your input.
 I'm a bit confused on the wording of your exercise. Proof there is no conflict. I'd like to hear more.

Hey there. What im trying to show to the general audience is that when NXTi makes some assessment of any already listed company, any given outcome can't be as weighted as for a new company. An already listed AE project has had its own "market control". Investors, speculators and adopters have made their own due diligence, and pushed to a price that summarizes the company perceived value, P/E ratio, competition, and exogenous factors like market conditions and BTC/NXT price in fiat. I still remember when NXT went from 6K to 11K almost overnight and Jl77hodl shares went from 2 to 1.  ;D NXTi will simply re-assure some customers about their thoughts on the company. Its an added feature, so to speak.

But the true test is made on the new projects. There is no way NXTi can remove completely any concern about mixed interests. Is like trying to find if Moody's analysts don't have a stepfather who is investing in the stock exchange. But this wall of worry can only be confronted with the test of time. the job of NXTi is to perform due diligence, present sounding financial data, personal data if needed, business plan and certifying the best way possible that the plans of the issuer are valid and trustable.

What average people needs to understand is that NXTi is not a safe net. If NXTi issues 5 new portfolios with a 4 star rating, 4 star, 4 star, 3 star and 5 star, and after one year the companies have gone Bust, -50% market cap, Bust, Ponzi/Steal/Drama and -50% market cap ,and the casual investor yells "Hey NXTi guys told us those were SAFE values! SCAM!", then clearly he hasnt understood the value that NXTi proposes.

I think NXTi is aimed to the medium-large investor, NXT new adopter, and semi professional trader. It will provide an extra layer of trust, but in some reviewable form so we avoid the dreaded centralization. More of this in the next paragraph.

We have also added discussed stars or approval tokens, but these could be gamed. You could play a long ponzi game, build trust and then exploit your rating.
As news happens, updates will occur. Recent info is best.

The using of some AAA system, Star tokens, Super Mario Mushrooms or Little gold coins à là BitcoinTalk  :D is not an obstacle to keep a solid reputation system.

Every time a rated entity needs to perform a new AE offering, stock operation like split or expansion, make a significant purchase/acquisition/sale/liquidation or any other news occur that can substantially alter its business outcomes or financial results, he must provide a "relevant information" comunication to NXTi. Of course, that exchange, as well as the outgoing revision of the rating, is protected with a NDA until the public news by the issuer.

One of the great things of our ecosystem is that we can fight the dreaded "centralization monster": Either the relevant info and the outgoing rating update can be tracked and secured in the blockchain, so any NXT user with some nice "hound" skills can check if , for example, the relevant info was submitted on October 15th, the new rating confirmation was on October 18th, the public announcement was on 20th October, but during 19th October there was a x6 volume trading of the underlying asset in the AE. That will smell funny and could lead to a potential downgrade from NXTi if it were probed some internal trading... (examples, examples) possibilities are infinite.

At the end, is just a matter of corporate governance and rating agency ethos :-)

Sorry for the brick, haha :)

Paul


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« Reply #84 on: October 06, 2014, 04:04:31 pm »



I am looking forward for both nXti (what a nice gift by top8) and KNS reports.

There gonna be scams, ponzi and people who use the system deliberately, you guys should do your best to come up with objective analysis. As your services grow you will find new ways to make your services better and even nXt blockchain is going to have tools to assist you.

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Re: [ANN] NXTinspect - the first CryptoAudit service
« Reply #85 on: October 06, 2014, 04:18:37 pm »

hey Top8 welcome back, and thanks for your input.
 I'm a bit confused on the wording of your exercise. Proof there is no conflict. I'd like to hear more.

Hey there. What im trying to show to the general audience is that when NXTi makes some assessment of any already listed company, any given outcome can't be as weighted as for a new company. An already listed AE project has had its own "market control". Investors, speculators and adopters have made their own due diligence, and pushed to a price that summarizes the company perceived value, P/E ratio, competition, and exogenous factors like market conditions and BTC/NXT price in fiat. I still remember when NXT went from 6K to 11K almost overnight and Jl77hodl shares went from 2 to 1.  ;D NXTi will simply re-assure some customers about their thoughts on the company. Its an added feature, so to speak.

But the true test is made on the new projects. There is no way NXTi can remove completely any concern about mixed interests. Is like trying to find if Moody's analysts don't have a stepfather who is investing in the stock exchange. But this wall of worry can only be confronted with the test of time. the job of NXTi is to perform due diligence, present sounding financial data, personal data if needed, business plan and certifying the best way possible that the plans of the issuer are valid and trustable.

What average people needs to understand is that NXTi is not a safe net. If NXTi issues 5 new portfolios with a 4 star rating, 4 star, 4 star, 3 star and 5 star, and after one year the companies have gone Bust, -50% market cap, Bust, Ponzi/Steal/Drama and -50% market cap ,and the casual investor yells "Hey NXTi guys told us those were SAFE values! SCAM!", then clearly he hasnt understood the value that NXTi proposes.

I think NXTi is aimed to the medium-large investor, NXT new adopter, and semi professional trader. It will provide an extra layer of trust, but in some reviewable form so we avoid the dreaded centralization. More of this in the next paragraph.

We have also added discussed stars or approval tokens, but these could be gamed. You could play a long ponzi game, build trust and then exploit your rating.
As news happens, updates will occur. Recent info is best.

The using of some AAA system, Star tokens, Super Mario Mushrooms or Little gold coins à là BitcoinTalk  :D is not an obstacle to keep a solid reputation system.

Every time a rated entity needs to perform a new AE offering, stock operation like split or expansion, make a significant purchase/acquisition/sale/liquidation or any other news occur that can substantially alter its business outcomes or financial results, he must provide a "relevant information" comunication to NXTi. Of course, that exchange, as well as the outgoing revision of the rating, is protected with a NDA until the public news by the issuer.

One of the great things of our ecosystem is that we can fight the dreaded "centralization monster": Either the relevant info and the outgoing rating update can be tracked and secured in the blockchain, so any NXT user with some nice "hound" skills can check if , for example, the relevant info was submitted on October 15th, the new rating confirmation was on October 18th, the public announcement was on 20th October, but during 19th October there was a x6 volume trading of the underlying asset in the AE. That will smell funny and could lead to a potential downgrade from NXTi if it were probed some internal trading... (examples, examples) possibilities are infinite.

At the end, is just a matter of corporate governance and rating agency ethos :-)

Sorry for the brick, haha :)

Paul
Hey got it.
I think the NXT community is small enough to separate insiders and outsiders.
Insiders will all have a history and influence.
Outsiders will need to build trust.

Existing assets need an impartial review just the same,  if not more. Plenty of assets exist in their own bubble, without apple to apple comparison.

The mining assets are a great example of noise killing the signal.
We're putting together a head to head mining hash report if anyone wants to see all these numbers in one place. Price per share,  hash per 1nxt, reinvestment rate,  and current weekly ROI.
We feel anyone looking to invest in mining funds will benefit greatly from this weekly updated subscription.
We also think it will help clear up the FUD and trolling in the mining forums.
I would suggest mining asset issuers subscribe, and quick.
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« Reply #86 on: October 06, 2014, 04:22:20 pm »

Hmm wrote more but it got lost? Maybe in the quote? Tapatalk..
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« Reply #87 on: October 06, 2014, 04:30:46 pm »

I think the NXT community is small enough to separate insiders and outsiders.

Thats gonna change fast :-) 2015 is going to be madness, when newcomers see what is NXT in comparison to Bitcoin: A complete ecosystem, stable, community driven and with several layers of decentralization and self-empowering trust connections. This is the new deal. Satoshi was the Vision. But this is the "NXT" step :-)

We're putting together a head to head mining hash report if anyone wants to see all these numbers in one place. Price per share,  hash per 1nxt, reinvestment rate,  and current weekly ROI. We feel anyone looking to invest in mining funds will benefit greatly from this weekly updated subscription.
We also think it will help clear up the FUD and trolling in the mining forums.
I would suggest mining asset issuers subscribe, and quick.

Fantastic! Mining is a very attractive field, and unfortunately the newcomers land in there seeking for a steady dividend flow, but often are blinded by the large quantity of factors that can alter the ROI. Besides, is a very ponzi friendly industry.

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« Reply #88 on: October 06, 2014, 04:37:22 pm »

Agreed on the future growth. I think my point is there is a lot of assets that need to reviewing, no matter who owns.
There may Indeed be some price corrections but the Dr. who lances the boil can't be blamed for its growth.

If the AE is to succeed it needs transparency and a level playing field.
I'm fine with assets having a greater value than ROI. Look at the p/e for Amazon,  twitter,  Facebook. Etc.

But this is for exceptional cases. The new asset hype bump isn't feasible forever unless we get a lot more fiat flowing in.
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« Reply #89 on: October 06, 2014, 04:40:04 pm »

Mining review should be out within 24 hours.
We're discussing 1000nxt for 4 weekly reports emailed.
This report will not be posted publicly.
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« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2014, 05:55:29 pm »

Are you selling that mining report only to the mining asset issuer? If not and anyone is able to purchase then expect it to be for sell on the digital goods store at half price within an hour. Sure you can delete the sell post, but if only one person purchased then that is still a loss except for the two that just received the report at half price.

Also with this setup you are pretty much limiting mining assets from posting about being the best asset to invest in without completely making your report price worthless. I will not blame them in the least in wanting to brag about their asset ROI to investors. Selling only to the mining asset issuer will alleviate the problem of the bragging but then you just increased the FUD that will be spreading in the mining threads. Since all anyone can do is take the word of the owner because there is no way to prove them wrong.

Best bet. Just make the information open on a website and gain ad revenue. Later when everyone lives by that report charge new mining assets a small fee to also be valuated.
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« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2014, 06:04:35 pm »

Are you selling that mining report only to the mining asset issuer? If not and anyone is able to purchase then expect it to be for sell on the digital goods store at half price within an hour. Sure you can delete the sell post, but if only one person purchased then that is still a loss except for the two that just received the report at half price.

Also with this setup you are pretty much limiting mining assets from posting about being the best asset to invest in without completely making your report price worthless. I will not blame them in the least in wanting to brag about their asset ROI to investors. Selling only to the mining asset issuer will alleviate the problem of the bragging but then you just increased the FUD that will be spreading in the mining threads. Since all anyone can do is take the word of the owner because there is no way to prove them wrong.

Best bet. Just make the information open on a website and gain ad revenue. Later when everyone lives by that report charge new mining assets a small fee to also be valuated.

How often new mining assets come out? Maybe you think ad revenue is huge? So you propose them to work for free for months? I don't think that's possible.
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« Reply #92 on: October 06, 2014, 06:07:11 pm »

I would have thougt that first report would be completely free of charge and public. Why not the case?

EDIT: This would publicly shows how you do your homework.
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« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2014, 06:16:05 pm »

Are you selling that mining report only to the mining asset issuer? If not and anyone is able to purchase then expect it to be for sell on the digital goods store at half price within an hour. Sure you can delete the sell post, but if only one person purchased then that is still a loss except for the two that just received the report at half price.

Firstly, how do you know its the correct report, someone could alter the report to create the impression a particular asset should be bought, especially as they will need to do this anonymously

Secondly if the information is purchased once and freely distributed then the distribution of that product will cease...
We might still generate it and use it for ourselves...
In order to ensure a return for shareholders we might only distribute to a closed group of trusted subscribers...
In the end if the revenue is not there this venture will fail, we don't expect this to make us rich but are not a charity.

I would rather not end up in this space which is why I am open about it.

The acts of people towards NXTinspect, particularly piracy, will cause us to adapt the service to protect it.
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« Reply #94 on: October 06, 2014, 06:17:32 pm »

I would have thougt that first report would be completely free of charge and public. Why not the case?

Some of the initial reports 4 or 5 are pretty much ready and will be made available free, we just need to finish integration with the distribution channel.

Some information will always be free after time with early access a premium (paid for) service, some information will be subscription only.

Jef is talking about additional specific product/service ideas.
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« Reply #95 on: October 06, 2014, 06:26:17 pm »

Mining review should be out within 24 hours.
We're discussing 1000nxt for 4 weekly reports emailed.
This report will not be posted publicly.

Quite a few days ago you said that the KPS report was ready and would be posted later that day. Then yesterday pf posted that HRNXTPOOL would be (one of) the first assets reviewed. Can you confirm which reviews will be published first?

Second, are you able to tell us when will you publish your first public review? Some investors may be waiting to buy in because they were unable to get in during the IPO. Your shares are about 4 NXT right now, so we will need ~300% ROI before investors see a profit. To help investors value your company, will you be publishing any kind of regular financial reports with stuff like subscriber counts? Thanks.

Edit: I see chan3r's answer above partially answered my questions here, thanks.
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« Reply #96 on: October 06, 2014, 06:41:21 pm »

I don't expect anyone to work for free or the report that is for sell to be accurate. I'm just bring up thoughts I had on the matter. Either way that information will get out and it will be free. No need to jump on my ass because I found something that I figured might be a problem. Next time I'll just stay quiet and watch from the sideline.
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« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2014, 06:42:33 pm »

Mining review should be out within 24 hours.
We're discussing 1000nxt for 4 weekly reports emailed.
This report will not be posted publicly.

Quite a few days ago you said that thee KPS report was ready and would be posted later that day. Then yesterday pf posted that HRNXTPOOL would be (one of) the first assets reviewed. Can you tell us which reviews will be published first?

Second, are you able to tell us when will you publish your first public review? I know that I as well as a lot of other investors are waiting before we buy more shares because we were unable to get in during the IPO. Your shares are about 4 NXT right now, which means that after expenses you will have to make more than 300% ROI before investors are see a profit. To help investors value your company, will you be publishing any kind of regular financial reports with stuff like subscriber counts? Thanks.

Edit: I see chan3r's answer above partially answered my questions here, thanks.

Basically work has been done on the  integration of our reports with existing sources of information and storing this securely on the NXT block chain so those channels can pick it up, (hint) this why NXTreporting is a partner.

So I know channels can access our information if they can access the block chain. So other than our time and maybe the need for a developer from time to time, i.e. I need ZERO servers, our costs are the time of our analysts so we can keep prices low and value high.

Other distributors are in the pipeline and this might lead us to review assets on block chains other than NXT if these distributors ask us to.

We provide the information to these distributors for free and to access forever so they can provide the report history as far back as they wish as long as they store it.

Accounting and reporting is needed and this will be done in due course frequency of this will depend on activity but I would expect this to be at least quarterly. The account that holds the assets stores a message when NXT is sent from the account accounting for the transfer.
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« Reply #98 on: October 06, 2014, 06:43:44 pm »

I don't expect anyone to work for free or the report that is for sell to be accurate. I'm just bring up thoughts I had on the matter. Either way that information will get out and it will be free. No need to jump on my ass because I found something that I figured might be a problem. Next time I'll just stay quiet and watch from the sideline.

Dude - don't take it personal, it was not aimed at you, you asked a valid question I simply pointed out the consequences, feel free to throw the challenges, my responses might be robust but they are not meant to be personal - sorry if you took it that way.
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« Reply #99 on: October 06, 2014, 06:49:50 pm »

A question which I have been considering for some time esp. in light of my own asset,

Are you prepared to become liable (by choice, or as a result of legal action) should you write a negative report that contains untrue statements?

I'm sure over the course of the next year you will write both positive and negative reports. But if it can be demonstrated that a negative report from you causes financial damage to a company in terms of lost investment (and this will become obvious over time) and you accidentally say something you shouldn't, you are likely to be sued. What contingency plans do you have in place to prevent that or in case that were to occur?

I'm worried about the same thing, personally, but I am asking this question as a private investor.

Hmm good question...
So the veracity / basis in fact of what we report has to be clear.
So 'scam' is a pejorative term which we will not use.
An analysis drawing a conclusion that something is worth 1 NXT when it is being sold at 10NXT is different and we will not tell you what to do - if you still want to buy at 10NXT because you disbelieve us that is up to you.

EDIT: Of course people can request a 'private' report which we can be more open in as this is private and specifically commissioned.
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