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Title: Monetization
Post by: altsheets on August 08, 2015, 09:46:38 pm
[EDIT_March_2016]

It actually looks as if the world is not interested in this thing. So why spend any further time on it?
Still, this thread needs an update, because for now, I had chosen a different route to acquire currency.


Monetization

1 Below is one of the possible ideas ... create a kickstarter asset, to collect money for this.

2 For now, I have taken the second route, trying to sell the early version v2 (http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetgraphs/v2/products/),
   to test the market, and in order to finance further development.

3 Which are other ways? EU-funding, scholarships, a patron, whatever?

Open to ideas.

That current route 2 is stony, and lonely, and sad.

 ;)



[/EDIT_March_2016]

Please help me to design a new asset
that kickstarts my and team-work on a new tool:
AssetGraphs
I need to collect opinions, and think hard,
before I am issuing into the eternal blockchain.


and most importantly:


If you want to know why I am making such waves, please read the OP in thread 9741 (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=9741.0).

See my first thoughts below ...
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 09, 2015, 07:24:38 pm
The idea is easy to understand, but still not formulated in the most perfect way:

My initial ideas during the hackathon (http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetgraphs/future.html):
Quote
Welcome to ... the future.

I enjoyed the nxthacks weekend very much, but as you can imagine, I am very reluctant to completely open all the sourcecode. I need to finance myself, otherwise I cannot afford to stay in cryptocurrencies at all - So I definitely need to monetize my work (and if only to pay dividends to my shareholder, see below (http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetgraphs/future.html)).

But ... I have an idea - I issue a new asset, with detailed conditions:

The goal is to convince me, to make all this open source. And I will, stepwise:
When the first level of sold assets is reached, I publish the API abstraction Python module.
When the 2nd level of sold assets is reached, I publish the whole data mashup & network generation module!
When a third level of sold assets is reached, I promise to have extended this to include many more options.
Of course, winning a possible nxthacks price would be counted in.

What do you think about this?

I want to hear your feedback first, any hint is welcome. Then I will soon issue that new asset. Good?

From the new "AssetGraphs.py is born (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=9741.0)" thread:
...
The near future
Monetization of my work is of paramount importance (or I must leave cryptos, and "sell myself to the machine" *g*).

I might issue a new asset  .... General idea: When that asset is fully sold, all source code is published, which then provides the groundwork to a platform for creating your own networks from blockchain data easily ...

The medium future
...

Criticism? How to put this better? What have I forgotten?

Any idea is welcome.

Thanks a million!
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 16, 2015, 03:52:45 am
Ideas for asset issuance:

Code: [Select]

        quantity: 100
        digits: 4


The 100 assets are representing 100%.
When all 100 assets are sold, the whole sourcecode is published.

The brain is able to recognize 4 digits without counting:
77.8628
12.0010
99.3744

and 4 digits with the 100 would create 10000 * 100 = 1 mio pieces.

Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 16, 2015, 04:10:55 am
Constant price?
Rising price?
Quadratically rising price?

sum ( [1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100] ) = 385   # quadratically rising price
sum ( [0.6,6.4,12.1,17.8,23.5,29.2,34.9,40.7,46.4,52.1,57.8,63.5] ) = 385   # linearly rising price
sum ( [38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5] ) = 385   # constant price

(http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lc&chs=500x250&chco=6699CC,CC33FF,CCCC33,99cc66&chxt=x,y&chxr=0,0,100|1,0,100&chdl=quadratic%7Clinear%7Csqrt%7Cconstant&chtt=constant+vs+linear+vs+quadratic+vs+sqrt+-+all+same+integral&chts=000000,16&chd=t:1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100|0.6,6.4,12.1,17.8,23.5,29.2,34.9,40.7,46.4,52.1,57.8,63.5|17.1,24.2,29.7,34.3,38.3,42.0,45.3,48.5,51.4,54.2|38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5,38.5)

Rising prices
That's why I also mention a decelerating rising curve - Sqrt:
sum ( [17.1,24.2,29.7,34.3,38.3,42.0,45.3,48.5,51.4,54.2] ) = 385   # sqrt rising price

But perhaps for the purpose of this asset, a constant price would be best?

Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 04:05:07 am
... just ignore those price deliberations, they can also be thought about later.

Instead ... back to more essential questions:

What are aspects that need to go into the issuance DESCRIPTION ?

A while ago, I studied other people's asset descriptions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10752592#msg10752592) a little bit.

But this one is different ...


and also ... even one step back from the final description ...

* what are necessary and
* what are sufficient
* building blocks
* of a well-designed
* crowdfunding asset
* to encourage me to open source my code?

Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 05:12:01 am
Thankfully, in my twitter stream browsing, I came across these

2 very good articles about Funding Open Source (not FOSS but FOS, or FFOSS  ;) )


Flows of energy
by Marijn Haverbeke
More Money For Better Open-Source Software
Monday, June 22, 2015
http://marijnhaverbeke.nl/blog/sustainable-maintenance.html
(1756 words, 10064 letters)



NOAH KANTROWITZ   
Funding FOSS
2015-07-0
https://coderanger.net/funding-foss/
(2110 words, 12291 letters)


Both with an interestingly similar world length (5.73 and 5.83 letters per word)
;)



Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 07:06:31 am
Licenses:
Why? --> Specify: In case of funding success, under which license will I then publish the source code?


MIT
MIT License (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_License)
  e.g.  Ruby on Rails, Node.js, jQuery, the X Window System, Psyco, PuTTY, Xterm, AngularJS, Beautiful Soup, py2exe


AGPL
GNU Affero General Public License (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affero_General_Public_License), abbreviated as Affero GPL or AGPL,
  e.g. Launchpad, Diaspora, MongoDB, POV-Ray, RStudio Server, Wikidot, Ghostscript

List of many FOSS licenses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_free_and_open-source_software_licenses).


CC  ?
(examples from wikipedia list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_Creative_Commons_licensed_works))

CC BY-SA 4.0 (Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/)),
  e.g. Wikipedia, Arduino, knol (mostly), OpenStreetMap (for certain content), Stack Overflow

CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 (Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/))
  e.g. TED Talks videos, what else? (I found Zero-K (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-K), and Katawa Shoujo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katawa_Shoujo) - but I mean ... more well known content)


License breakdown (https://stateof.creativecommons.org/report/) of the "882 million pieces of CC-licensed content on the web"
  CC0: 4%, CC BY: 19%, CC BY-SA: 33%, CC BY-ND: 2%
  CC BY-NC: 4%, CC BY-NC-SA: 16%, CC BY-NC-ND: 22%
bold: by me. Of the six CC licenses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_license#/media/File:Vectorized_CC_License_Compatibility_Chart.svg), those two appealed to me most, and now
I see they are the two most common choices. Sometimes I can be very normal, too ;-)



giveback license
*g* Long ago, I already drafted my own license attempt (http://altsheets.ddns.net/give) ...
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 07:10:50 am
... most of my work is already under the

giveback license
*g*

Long ago, I already drafted my own license attempt
(tired of often being applauded, but seldom rewarded - in spite of the incredible accessibility of crypto tipping *sigh*):

giveback-license-v05.txt (http://altsheets.ddns.net/give) (18/July/2015, started ~ 17/March/2015)

It even found the first fan (of the license) who wants to fork it (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1147294.msg12088832#msg12088832)!
So the next version will probably include:
+ the licensing text itself is put under the giveback license
+ it includes the, and builds on top of the (...) license
       (choose the best one, perhaps CC BY-SA ?)
= giveback license means to me:
    do whatever you want to do with it, but remember to attribute it to me, and consider to send me something of value to reward me.


I like the suggestion with "setting up a monthly contribution":
Quote
If you are getting value out of Tern, especially if you are using it in a for-profit way, consider funding further development by setting up a monthly contribution. The maintainer (Marijn Haverbeke) is available for Tern-related consulting work. (http://ternjs.net/#support)

Good idea.
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 07:11:26 am
But that giveback license is just my desperate attempt to change the whole of our planetary society ... and not intended to be used for the asset & assetgraphs.py open source'ing.

So back to:

MIT
AGPL
CC BY-SA
CC BY-NC-ND

what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 09:09:58 am
in danger of sprinting too fast now, but I want to put these somewhere:

Some centralized crowdfunding services
(mostly BSN 'before Satoshi Nakamoto')

* (370) kickstarter.com (https://www.google.de/search?q=open+source+site%3Akickstarter.com) (links to google search "open source" on ks)
* (1,054) indiegogo (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/prosemirror/#/story) (links to interesting (future-)FOSS project that already got quite some funding)
* (3,119) patreon.com (https://www.patreon.com/search?q=open%20source) (links to search "open source")
* (54,524) flattr.com (https://www.google.de/search?q=open+source+site%3Aflattr.com) (links to google search "open source" on f)
* (143,936) bountysource.com (https://www.bountysource.com/trackers/20993404-altsheets-chaincountdown) (links to my newest mini-project)
* (184,922) gratipay.com (https://gratipay.com/altsheets/) supports bitcoin (links to my new gratipay profile, also see my shiny new button (http://altsheets.ddns.net/give/))
* (205,592) startjoin.com (https://www.startjoin.com/projects/discover/open%20source) powered by a bitcoin-clone (links to search "open source")
* (3,235,685) snowdrift.coop (https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/intro) "Each month, I will donate 1ยข for every 10 others who join me!"
* (13,570,748 (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/nxt-starter.com)) nxt-starter.com (http://nxt-starter.com) use your NXT to support the community.

(number=Alexa global popularity rank)

meta
* thorough analysis (http://fossrit.github.io/HowToFOSS/chapters/bizleg-case-studies/crowdfunding/) of 6 such sites - a whole book about crowdfunding FOSS
* list of other similar sites (https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/othercrowdfunding#threshold) - 24 sites, with their fees & niches
* kickfailure.com (http://kickfailure.com/) - "Bringing you the funniest and the saddest Kickstarter projects ever."  ;D

May this help us. Somehow.
t'was quite a bit of work, this posting.
But I just love to do such research 

:)

---
EDIT: added nxt-starter.com
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on August 17, 2015, 09:40:09 pm
Or -to just show that you generally support this- ...

... a new thread to collect momentum to carry this into the future:

https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=9798

Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on September 20, 2015, 03:33:39 am
Licenses:
...

Copyright [year] [fullname]
You are forbidden from distributing this software or a derivative of it for in exchange for monetary value.
Title: Re: AssetGraphs to Open Source - help me design a new asset
Post by: altsheets on September 24, 2015, 08:08:44 pm
Some more resources about licenses:

MIT vs GPL
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3902754/mit-vs-gpl-license
http://askubuntu.com/questions/46380/how-do-i-use-gpl-and-mit-licenses-correctly
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/friendly-nxt-fork/

Title: AltSheets License v02
Post by: altsheets on October 10, 2015, 05:24:05 pm
I created my own license now, for my to-be-launched PRODUCTS:

http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetgraphs/v2/LICENSE.txt

Please comment, if you have ideas/criticism/suggestions.

Thx.


Title: Re: Monetization
Post by: altsheets on March 11, 2016, 03:22:17 pm
I've edited the OP, open to all monetization concepts now.

[EDIT_March_2016]

It actually looks as if the world is not interested in this thing. So why spend any further time on it?
Still, this thread needs an update, because for now, I had chosen a different route to acquire currency.


Monetization

1 Below is one of the possible ideas ... create a kickstarter asset, to collect money for this.

2 For now, I have taken the second route, trying to sell the early version v2 (http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetgraphs/v2/products/),
   to test the market, and in order to finance further development.

3 Which are other ways? EU-funding, scholarships, a patron, whatever?

Open to ideas.

That current route 2 is stony, and lonely, and sad.

 ;)



[/EDIT_March_2016]


Please help me to design a new asset
that kickstarts my and team-work on a new tool:
AssetGraphs
...

If you are one of those who help to fund good projects, study my /give/ (http://altsheets.ddns.net/give/) page.


Title: Re: Monetization
Post by: altsheets on April 03, 2016, 01:53:16 pm
As I am also collecting licensing information in this thread, here are interesting posts explaining a bit about different licenses, mainly GPL:
Title: Re: Monetization
Post by: EvilDave on April 03, 2016, 03:40:25 pm
Add this;
https://opensource.org/licenses
All the OS license info you could ever wish for.

And, just if anyone was interested in an EU subsidy:
https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/what-horizon-2020
Title: Re: Monetization
Post by: altsheets on April 03, 2016, 04:46:14 pm
Thanks a lot. Yes, I know there are tons of good resources on the web, and earlier in this thread, I had also mentioned some of them.
But when I read such short, and precise assessments of practitioners ... they are sometimes even more valuable than a perfect encyclopedic overview.
Anyways, thanks a lot. Appreciated.

And the EU R&I programme ... interesting, too. Thanks!
I have once heard that writing EU proposals take up so much time, that some institutions are actually forbidding their employees to apply for EU funds :-) 
And hey - where in their whole list (https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/find-your-area) is "blockchain, cryptocurrencies, transparent finance"?
Not even anything on the ICT sub page (https://ec.europa.eu/programmes/horizon2020/en/area/ict-research-innovation).
Sleepy Europe  ;)
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