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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2014, 07:32:12 pm »

It sounds a good idea to me also but... what if the alias renting period has passed and another person was able to rent the alias in the meantime.
How will the people who use this alias for sending transactions know that the owner of the alias has been changed?
This can results in people getting scammed...

Good thought.

And I still don't get the DNS thing. Could it be that we aren't talking about the DNS, but some other system?

alias != decentralized DNS

The whole point of allowing aliases to expire is so that the alias *can* be reused if the owner doesnt want it anymore, hit by a bus, etc.

But I guess we should have a certain time period between the expiry date and the date it can be rented out again (for example 2 monhts)
In this timeperiod the people that are making use of the alias, will be having a chance to get informed about the expiry.

this is a very good suggestion, clients should be easily able to inform users that an alias expired.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2014, 07:34:49 pm »


alias != decentralized DNS

The whole point of allowing aliases to expire is so that the alias *can* be reused if the owner doesnt want it anymore, hit by a bus, etc.

Please, create a new topic for discussing decentralized DNS. It about alias here, thanks.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2014, 07:40:05 pm »

But I guess we should have a certain time period between the expiry date and the date it can be rented out again (for example 2 monhts)
In this timeperiod the people that are making use of the alias, will be having a chance to get informed about the expiry.

Alias only need to expire after a certain time lapse. As soon as you pay the fee for an alias you own, you sould be able to keep it for 1 year (as 1 year for an exemple). I mean, you should be able to pay the fee anytime (no 2 month period needed) to restart the counter again. Of course having a chance to get informed about the expiry is interesting.

<~forkedchain~oops sorry did it again, clicked modify instead of quote>
« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 07:44:37 pm by forkedchain »
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2014, 07:41:42 pm »


alias != decentralized DNS

The whole point of allowing aliases to expire is so that the alias *can* be reused if the owner doesnt want it anymore, hit by a bus, etc.

Please, create a new topic for discussing decentralized DNS. It about alias here, thanks.

dude, nobody is discussing decentralized DNS here.  It was simply mentioned in a discussion of aliases.  Why you guys keep bringing it up, I have no clue.  Besides it appears that is a feature that is long away.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2014, 07:42:27 pm »

@forkchain, sorry maybe Idk what dns, I thought it was different than alias.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2014, 07:44:14 pm »

But I guess we should have a certain time period between the expiry date and the date it can be rented out again (for example 2 monhts)
In this timeperiod the people that are making use of the alias, will be having a chance to get informed about the expiry.

Alias only need to expire after a certain time lapse. As soon as you pay the fee for an alias you own, you sould be able to keep it for 1 year (as 1 year for an exemple). I mean, you should be able to pay the fee anytime (no 2 month period needed) to restart the counter again. Of course having a chance to get informed about the expiry is interesting.

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client software would inform users, but AT could send an AM to owner for notifying.  heck, AT probably could also renew it for you automatically.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2014, 07:48:11 pm »

But I guess we should have a certain time period between the expiry date and the date it can be rented out again (for example 2 monhts)
In this timeperiod the people that are making use of the alias, will be having a chance to get informed about the expiry.

Alias only need to expire after a certain time lapse. As soon as you pay the fee for an alias you own, you sould be able to keep it for 1 year (as 1 year for an exemple). I mean, you should be able to pay the fee anytime (no 2 month period needed) to restart the counter again. Of course having a chance to get informed about the expiry is interesting.

Well 2 months before the expiry the owner gets notified somehow... (maybe done in client side)
If the owner not renew his lisence to use the alias within those 2 months it is expired
Then only 2 months later after the expiry,it is possible again by anyone to rent this alias!
During those 2 months anyone that tries to use this alias should be informed it is currently in expired state (with date of possible reuse)
This is according to me the best way to avoid people being scammed, and give eveybody a chance to get the alias again (as date will be known exactly)
I only don't know if all this is technically possible... :)
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2014, 07:48:34 pm »

  heck, AT probably could also renew it for you automatically.

EDIT:
This should not be implement into the core, otherwise, you may not renting the alias but buying it, well until the account that own the alias have 0 nxt left, which will happen in the long run if password lost or people died... The possibility to renew it for you automatically for you should expire after maybe five years, not more, as an example. Idk, if this is possible to control.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2014, 07:54:55 pm »

  heck, AT probably could also renew it for you automatically.

This should not be implement into the core, otherwise, you may not renting the alias but buying it... The possibility to renew it for you automatically for you should expire after maybe five years, not more, as an example.

Keep in mind that it wont be a core function, it will be an AT function, so AT would have to be designed to specifically not allow this.  Not sure how easy it would be, maybe regex could do this.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2014, 01:19:46 am »

Good Idea! RENT IS THE WAY TO DO IT!

We can make a timer in every alias created, and make it able to be topped up by sending nxt to a special alias account which will send the nxt back out as fees for the forgers.

Maybe 1nxt = 1,000blocks or 10,000 or 100,000 or...?

Make it when it expired the alias can be purchased by anyone with starting bid of 1nxt just like how its created in the first place.
(edit:maybe make it with a delay of 24hours after expiry for bidding, so big companies will bid for them JUST LIKE AUCTION! ohhh.. VOILA!! we have nxt auction house! someone need to go implement this!)

Make only only able to be topped up after a certain number of blocks remaining before expiring (eg. only can be topped up if the balance of blocks remaining is less than 100,000 blocks but you can top up as much as you want if its less that 100,000)

Make it a history of total amount of blocks spent and total nxt topped up in each alias, this can create value of that alias.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2014, 08:39:22 am »

If aliases are rented to handle the hit by bus case, shouldn't we also rent NXT accounts to handle the hit by bus case, and assets and all the other objects?...

bottom line: I don't like it

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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2014, 09:20:02 am »

Alias are unique, NXT are not (in a way they are, but that doesn't matter here).
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2014, 09:39:48 am »

Partially agree, but still stick with my opinion

What about assets btw?

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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2014, 10:28:07 am »


+1 for an alias timer (1year)
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2014, 12:26:29 pm »

+1 too for 1 year for the alias, with option to renew for minimal fee as long as you pay it.When you dont,its free to buy, with time for everyone to put their bid, 24/48 h
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2014, 03:42:22 pm »

If aliases are rented to handle the hit by bus case, shouldn't we also rent NXT accounts to handle the hit by bus case, and assets and all the other objects?...

bottom line: I don't like it

but if a nxt account holder gets hit by a bus, its not like we can sell the nxt from someones account to the highest fee bidder.

now that asset names are non unique, that scenario is moot
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2014, 05:21:13 pm »

If "alias" are like domain name, they should expire.  If "alias" are like user IDs, they should not expire.

I give customers my "alias", they should be able to pay using that user ID for years without I having to renew every year.

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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2014, 05:30:32 pm »

If "alias" are like domain name, they should expire.  If "alias" are like user IDs, they should not expire.

I give customers my "alias", they should be able to pay using that user ID for years without I having to renew every year.



aliases can pretty much be anything, it just depends on the target they refer to.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2014, 05:35:03 pm »

Well, I use aliases in my client as a method of payment. Instead of typing the account ID you can simply type the alias.

However, I consider this to be the same as an email address and this too is tied to yearly renewal.
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Re: Alias should be "rent" from the Nxt ecosystem and not buy.
« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2014, 05:37:55 pm »

I don't think we should change Alias.  If you registered an Alias, you own it and should be allowed to transfer the alias if someone else wants it.  Let the market decide if there is worth.  I think some members here are upset because they didn't register their Alias.  Some people paid a lot of Nxt to register specific Alias, and it wouldn't be fair to change it. 
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